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LikeAllGuns
01-06-2014, 4:18 PM
Simple question about a 5.56, 16 inch complete upper; Is Spikes worth paying more for, then a Del-Ton? Spikes about $550 and Del-Ton about $400.

Basic models on both; Spikes carbine upper compered to Del-Ton carbine upper.

Any and all help appreciated !!!

Mossy Man
01-06-2014, 4:21 PM
what is your intended application? full specs between the two?

LikeAllGuns
01-06-2014, 4:31 PM
what is your intended application? full specs between the two?

Have fun target, plink and shoot a lot..

Full specs between the two I don't understand the question. Are they?

Mossy Man
01-06-2014, 4:34 PM
Have fun target, plink and shoot a lot..

Full specs between the two I don't understand the question. Are they?

you know, more information on them both so we can see which is better

caburian
01-06-2014, 4:35 PM
the del-ton has the 1:9 twist correct?
the spikes is 1:7 twist.

figure out what you want to shoot first
in practice, its best to shoot under 55 grain on 1:9, and over 55gain on 1:7
I just pointed out the recommendations, I know some people who violates the so called "rules" tho.

CK_32
01-06-2014, 4:36 PM
Spikes.


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Moemoe1
01-06-2014, 4:36 PM
I would get spikes, just because.

Capybara
01-06-2014, 4:38 PM
I am not an AR person even though I have several. Is it true you are GTG up to a 69gr projectile with the 1:9 barrel?

Mossy Man
01-06-2014, 4:40 PM
I am not an AR person even though I have several. Is it true you are GTG up to a 69gr projectile with the 1:9 barrel?

from what i understand, depends on each individual barrel.

i guess they're not all exactly 1/9 (or 1/8 or 1/7 etc). Variations on a 1/9 label from 1/8.5-1/9.5

UN3178
01-06-2014, 4:41 PM
+1 for Spikes. They make some really high quality stuff

jkody
01-06-2014, 4:43 PM
Spikes has better quality control. I prefer spikes.

Junkie
01-06-2014, 4:46 PM
A Premium PSA upper (with FN barrel) might be a good option in between those two.

evidens83
01-06-2014, 4:53 PM
LMT

3lixer
01-06-2014, 5:12 PM
Simple question about a 5.56, 16 inch complete upper; Is Spikes worth paying more for, then a Del-Ton? Spikes about $550 and Del-Ton about $400.

Basic models on both; Spikes carbine upper compered to Del-Ton carbine upper.

Any and all help appreciated !!!

For $550 get a BCM and be done with it. The BCM probably won't come with handguard, BCG or Charging handle though.

If not I vote Spikes.

jb octane
01-06-2014, 5:14 PM
For $550 get a BCM and be done with it. The BCM probably won't come with handguard, BCG or Charging handle though.

If not I vote Spikes.

That's not exactly, "be[ing] done with it."

maxumwake619
01-06-2014, 5:16 PM
spend more and build your own to suit.......

buy once cry once.

jkrew619
01-06-2014, 5:24 PM
spikes!

evidens83
01-06-2014, 5:44 PM
For $550 get a BCM and be done with it. The BCM probably won't come with handguard, BCG or Charging handle though.


This doesn't even make sense lol :facepalm:

BumBum
01-06-2014, 5:56 PM
Usually, you get what you pay for. Spikes isn't the A#1, but I'd buy one.

.40CALIbear
01-06-2014, 6:06 PM
Spikes over Delton anyday

AlbcAlbrr
01-06-2014, 8:04 PM
Spikes over Delton anyday

and twice on Sunday!

Munny$hot
01-06-2014, 8:13 PM
Spikes puts out quality stuff, but I have no experience with Delton

sffred
01-06-2014, 8:14 PM
Spikes

infringed711
01-06-2014, 8:14 PM
Yea spikes>del ton. They really aren't even comparable

TacticalPlinker
01-06-2014, 8:16 PM
Spikes puts out quality stuff, but I have no experience with Delton

Same. The only thing DTI I would buy is a lower...

Everything else is likely to be sub-par to Spikes, in terms of quality & construction. But it would really depend on the specs. Without specs, you have no idea of what you're buying.

missiontrails
01-06-2014, 8:21 PM
For $550 get a BCM and be done with it. The BCM probably won't come with handguard, BCG or Charging handle though.

If not I vote Spikes.

The BCM is a joke once you PAY extra for the BCG, CH, and handguards... oh ya, plus shipping. I just bought a Spikes 14.5 midlength lightweight COMPLETE upper from Aim Surplus for $599 with FREE shipping. They have another regular Spikes Midlength 16" upper complete for $529 or so.

Teeko
01-06-2014, 8:21 PM
Spikes!

NYT
01-06-2014, 8:28 PM
spikes, delton is crap in comparison.

railroader
01-06-2014, 8:31 PM
I have zero experience with Spikes but I have two chrome lined Del-Ton uppers. The fit and finish is fine. Both uppers run great. I would recommend them. On the two uppers you are looking at I would assume the Spikes is chrome lined where the Del-Ton is probably chrome moly. As someone else posted Palmetto uppers are another option. I have one of those too and I'm completely happy with it.

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
01-06-2014, 8:32 PM
Who said P-Tac :hide:

mrwilson99
01-06-2014, 8:34 PM
Don't know Spikes or Delton, get an LMT and be done with it.

SocomM4
01-06-2014, 8:38 PM
Just say no to del-ton

teflondog
01-06-2014, 8:54 PM
I vote for Spikes. I bought a complete Spikes M4LE carbine and it's just as good as my Daniel Defense and even a little better than my BCM.

TacticalPlinker
01-06-2014, 9:04 PM
I vote for Spikes. I bought a complete Spikes M4LE carbine and it's just as good as my Daniel Defense and even a little better than my BCM.

"just as good" and "better than"... How? In what terms? :confused:

jb octane
01-06-2014, 9:06 PM
I vote for Spikes. I bought a complete Spikes M4LE carbine and it's just as good as my Daniel Defense and even a little better than my BCM.

In what way is it better?
(Not trying to start a flame war, I just want to hear of your experiences.)

bighead
01-06-2014, 9:17 PM
Having fun and plinking is the goal then I suggest going with whatever is cheaper.If you shoot enough to break the gun, and you probably wont, then go buy the Spikes Tactical.

somiskid
01-07-2014, 5:09 AM
I have 2 dt uppers they work flawlessly never had one problem and they finish and fit are spot on.

wild_weasel
01-07-2014, 5:57 AM
I used a Del Ton DTI mid-length, light-weight upper ($390.00 with coupon from Midway) to finish my first build. Since Thanksgiving I have put 500 rounds of XM193, XM855, and my reloads with 100% reliability!

Finished Carbine with DTI upper and S&W lower
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx124/wild_weasel_photo/AR15-C1_zps5390e94d.jpg

Typical 25 shot group at 25 yards with reloads of Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT, 25gr of H335, WSR primer, and NATO brass.
http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx124/wild_weasel_photo/55grHornadyFMJ-BT250grH335WSR_zps9176bf39.jpg

missiontrails
01-07-2014, 6:22 AM
I don't think DTI's are unreliable.... seems that everyone who buys them report that they are reliable. However, is it a brand that people actually seek out? I mean, do people say "I'm saving for a Del-Ton because off all brands, this one is a standout"? Or is it a brand that people purchase (like many other brands) because they don't do their homework, see the low prices and click "add to cart"? I just think that there are other choices out there that are built with better materials and built to better standards...... within $100-$150 of the price. After all, we are not comparing $400 uppers with $1200 Noveske uppers.... more like $400 uppers with $500-$550 uppers.

gunwest
01-07-2014, 6:23 AM
Either will work just fine for your intended purpose, but I would get the Spikes.

wild_weasel
01-07-2014, 6:44 AM
I don't think DTI's are unreliable.... seems that everyone who buys them report that they are reliable. However, is it a brand that people actually seek out? I mean, do people say "I'm saving for a Del-Ton because off all brands, this one is a standout"? Or is it a brand that people purchase (like many other brands) because they don't do their homework, see the low prices and click "add to cart"? I just think that there are other choices out there that are built with better materials and built to better standards...... within $100-$150 of the price. After all, we are not comparing $400 uppers with $1200 Noveske uppers.... more like $400 uppers with $500-$550 uppers.

I did compare the specifications and thought DTI offered the best value.

This Del-Ton Lightweight Mid-Length A3 AR-15 Upper Receiver comes complete and fully assembled, ready for installation onto any mil-spec lower receiver. The forged 7075 T6 Aluminum upper features a 16" Lightweight Contour Barrel, F-Marked Front Sight Assembly, 2-Piece Polymer Handguards with heat shield and an A2 Flash Hider. The barrel's 5.56x45mm NATO Chamber, M4 Feed Ramps and 1 in 9" Twist rifling ensure reliable feeding and functioning with a wide variety of both commercial and higher pressure military surplus ammunition. The Mid Length Gas System offers the dual benefits of a longer sight radius and increased gas dwell time for a softer recoil impulse upon firing.

The Bolt Carrier is machined from 8620 Steel for strength, incorporates a properly staked, chrome lined gas key, and houses a Carpenter 158 Steel Bolt that has been High Pressure Tested and Magnetic Particle Inspected (MPI) to guarantee a consistent, structurally sound part. This upper is an excellent choice for both the first time buyer and seasoned AR aficionado looking for a quality product at a good price.

missiontrails
01-07-2014, 6:47 AM
I did compare the specifications and thought DTI offered the best value.

This Del-Ton Lightweight Mid-Length A3 AR-15 Upper Receiver comes complete and fully assembled, ready for installation onto any mil-spec lower receiver. The forged 7075 T6 Aluminum upper features a 16" Lightweight Contour Barrel, F-Marked Front Sight Assembly, 2-Piece Polymer Handguards with heat shield and an A2 Flash Hider. The barrel's 5.56x45mm NATO Chamber, M4 Feed Ramps and 1 in 9" Twist rifling ensure reliable feeding and functioning with a wide variety of both commercial and higher pressure military surplus ammunition. The Mid Length Gas System offers the dual benefits of a longer sight radius and increased gas dwell time for a softer recoil impulse upon firing.

The Bolt Carrier is machined from 8620 Steel for strength, incorporates a properly staked, chrome lined gas key, and houses a Carpenter 158 Steel Bolt that has been High Pressure Tested and Magnetic Particle Inspected (MPI) to guarantee a consistent, structurally sound part. This upper is an excellent choice for both the first time buyer and seasoned AR aficionado looking for a quality product at a good price.
I'm for sure not calling their stuff bad. How much was a upper like that?

EDIT: $390, gotcha.... that is cheap. From the Del-Ton website, by the time you add chrome lining to a basic midlength upper its $450. That's only $79 different from a Spike's: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16%22+Mid-Length+5.56%2f.223+Upper+Receiver&groupid=750

wild_weasel
01-07-2014, 7:09 AM
I'm for sure not calling their stuff bad. How much was a upper like that?

EDIT: $390, gotcha.... that is cheap. From the Del-Ton website, by the time you add chrome lining to a basic midlength upper its $450. That's only $79 different from a Spike's: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16%22+Mid-Length+5.56%2f.223+Upper+Receiver&groupid=750

I have a great time with it every time I fast rope over to Field Time wearing my mall ninja 5.11 shorts. I'd would love to stretch its legs on a longer 100 or 200 yard range, but $18 to shoot at FT3 is less than what I'd pay just for gas to get to Angeles.

YZINGERR
01-07-2014, 7:13 AM
I have a delton midlength hbar upper with thousands of rounds through it and 0 problems

evidens83
01-07-2014, 11:23 AM
I'm willing to bet over 95% of the posters here talking negative of Del-Ton has never even owned or shot one..

For your normal average gun owner any brand AR will work and function for your intended use. People like brand names and marketing is what it comes down to.

SDM44
01-07-2014, 11:36 AM
I'm willing to bet over 95% of the posters here talking negative of Del-Ton has never even owned or shot one..

This... and because they're 'too good' for it :rolleyes:


Me personally, I hate the spider logo so that's why I don't buy Spikes :p

teflondog
01-07-2014, 12:44 PM
I vote for Spikes. I bought a complete Spikes M4LE carbine and it's just as good as my Daniel Defense and even a little better than my BCM.

"just as good" and "better than"... How? In what terms? :confused:

In what way is it better?
(Not trying to start a flame war, I just want to hear of your experiences.)

Sorry, I should have explained my original post. In terms of accuracy and reliability, the Spikes is equal to my DDM41 and BCM carbine.

In terms of finish, the Spikes is better than the BCM. My BCM came with flaws in the anodizing that were very obvious. This is not uncommon as BCM exchanged my two friends' uppers which had similar finish flaws. While it's only an aesthetic issue, I expect more for the higher price point (especially since all the Spikes rifles I've seen had great anodizing at a much cheaper price).

smith and wesson
01-07-2014, 12:53 PM
This... and because they're 'too good' for it :rolleyes:


Me personally, I hate the spider logo so that's why I don't buy Spikes :p

If you want a little spider on your lower get a spikes, if you want a little horse get a colt. :-p

I have a delton and have no problems with it.

thegamettt
01-07-2014, 2:55 PM
I'm willing to bet over 95% of the posters here talking negative of Del-Ton has never even owned or shot one..

For your normal average gun owner any brand AR will work and function for your intended use. People like brand names and marketing is what it comes down to.

Agreed. I've owned deltons and they've been 100% reliable and accurate. Its a good first rifle, because everyone always gets a safe queen later anyway.
My delton shoots just as good as my high end build and cost half as much.

YZINGERR
01-07-2014, 4:05 PM
I'm willing to bet over 95% of the posters here talking negative of Del-Ton has never even owned or shot one..

For your normal average gun owner any brand AR will work and function for your intended use. People like brand names and marketing is what it comes down to.

Just like JT uppers. I shy'ed away because of hearing poor reviews online.
Had three friends that bought 'em in different configs, and they have yet to have any problems 3+ years and thousands upon thousands of rounds later.

dtrump
01-07-2014, 4:37 PM
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/psa-14-7-chf-mid-length-upper-pinned-welded-with-bcg-and-charging-handle.html


http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/16/ptac-16-1-9-a4-ss12g2-upper-w-bcg-ch.html
I hear people are happy with ptac. Ive never used one. The psa chf version is not a bad idea.

Mossy Man
01-07-2014, 4:42 PM
i'm actually picking up a spikes lower on Friday, because it was the last one available on 1/31/13.......but i don't like it.

The double *enis image is forever burned into my mind. I dislike the spider.

Also dislike the color-filled safety selector markings...and the fact it has a section for automatic. Seems mall ninja ish to me lol

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/skus/p_100004685_1.jpg

jb octane
01-07-2014, 4:43 PM
I would probably go with the Del-Ton and use the rest of the money for ammo or better optics.

TacticalPlinker
01-07-2014, 6:17 PM
Sorry, I should have explained my original post. In terms of accuracy and reliability, the Spikes is equal to my DDM41 and BCM carbine.

In terms of finish, the Spikes is better than the BCM. My BCM came with flaws in the anodizing that were very obvious. This is not uncommon as BCM exchanged my two friends' uppers which had similar finish flaws. While it's only an aesthetic issue, I expect more for the higher price point (especially since all the Spikes rifles I've seen had great anodizing at a much cheaper price).


The finish on the Spikes is top notch. The Spikes seems to be a darker, "deeper" black, or at least it looks that way to me... Though at least for me, I've not really had any issues with matching the quad rail or some other piece on the rifle... or at least nothing as noticeable as the grey finish you find with Colt parts and the black you find with just about everything else.

As for BCM, I would absolutely expect more/better and contact them immediately. I've not had an issue with any BCM product, but with their reputation comes an expectation of higher quality, including fit & finish. But I also know BCM is very good at taking care of their customers. I can only assume some lack in QC is to blame.

liberty47
01-07-2014, 7:56 PM
The double *enis image is forever burned into my mind. I dislike the spider.

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/skus/p_100004685_1.jpg

What?

jb octane
01-07-2014, 8:03 PM
What?

You don't want to know. It cannot be unseen.

Junkie
01-07-2014, 8:18 PM
i'm actually picking up a spikes lower on Friday, because it was the last one available on 1/31/13.......but i don't like it.

The double *enis image is forever burned into my mind. I dislike the spider.

Also dislike the color-filled safety selector markings...and the fact it has a section for automatic. Seems mall ninja ish to me lol

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/skus/p_100004685_1.jpgWow, I'd never seen it that way before but it can't be unseen.

piratebike
01-07-2014, 8:34 PM
Looks like two thumbs to me.

BTW, how does RRA compare?

magnusson
01-07-2014, 9:37 PM
I would probably go with the Del-Ton and use the rest of the money for ammo or better optics.

This, don't listen to morons who don't own a Delton and surf the Web all day spreading fud

jdmstuff
01-07-2014, 9:39 PM
Buy both, shoot both, keep the one YOU like.

klewan
01-07-2014, 10:18 PM
Looks like two thumbs to me.

BTW, how does RRA compare?

RRA? Their backlog is about a year, so no one knows. If you look, you can find vendors that have RRA in stock. But if you go direct, nothing is available.

Been that way for at least two years...

drunktank
01-07-2014, 10:38 PM
Don't get the Spike's.

Their logo is two male genitalia touching each other. (Unless that's your thing, then by all means buy it).

Loopwell
01-07-2014, 10:52 PM
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/skus/p_100004685_1.jpg

You guys have dirty minds. I see a moose looking through binoculars.

18Dmedic
01-08-2014, 6:20 AM
I don't always shoot ARs...but when I do, it's a Spikes!

But seriously, either is fine...they're all made to mil standard and good to go. I only paid like $80 for my Spikes before the hype. Not one problem.

2shotjoe
01-08-2014, 6:42 AM
Don't get the Spike's.

Their logo is two male genitalia touching each other. (Unless that's your thing, then by all means buy it).

Lol, now I see it.

Bruce wished he owned a Droid RAZR.

missiontrails
01-08-2014, 7:30 AM
Don't get the Spike's.

Their logo is two male genitalia touching each other. (Unless that's your thing, then by all means buy it).

That's why I only buy their uppers, because the logo can stay in the closet under the BUIS.

UN3178
01-08-2014, 8:08 AM
i'm actually picking up a spikes lower on Friday, because it was the last one available on 1/31/13.......but i don't like it.

The double *enis image is forever burned into my mind. I dislike the spider.

Also dislike the color-filled safety selector markings...and the fact it has a section for automatic. Seems mall ninja ish to me lol

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/skus/p_100004685_1.jpg

Haha you see want you want to see ... sword fight? :D Spikes has one of the best looking rollmarks IMO.

thegamettt
01-08-2014, 9:28 AM
man you guys are dirty.. it totally just looks like a skull with two di.. damn it.

LikeAllGuns
01-08-2014, 4:50 PM
Thanks All !!!! For all the info. I don't care about logo's. All I care about is reliability and accuracy.

Sounds like a lot of Spikes likers, and some quality Del-Ton owners with great results.

I like the idea of buying del ton and using extra money on ammo.

But who knows ????

If I was loaded I would buy both, but not gonna happen.

Thank You to all !!!

ErikTheRed
01-08-2014, 6:31 PM
DTI is a fantastic product at a great price. I own one, building a second, my bro owns one, and several of my friends own them. Never any issues with any of them after thousands upon thousands of rounds. DTI haters have quite obviously never owned one.

bshot
01-08-2014, 8:42 PM
This video came to mind when discussing Spikes ARs:

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Watch with a grain of salt. He was probably paid..

YZINGERR
01-08-2014, 8:44 PM
Don't get the Spike's.

Their logo is two male genitalia touching each other. (Unless that's your thing, then by all means buy it).
LOL, ive never seen that before...now I cant stop looking!

You guys have dirty minds. I see a moose looking through binoculars.

Awesome, I see it too!