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Tom-ADC
12-21-2013, 10:42 AM
My brother has had the old safe from our grandfathers store sitting in a shed in his backyard for many years, thought it was empty, well he found the combination to it and opened it, there was a old gas mask bag full of knives that when our dad put them in there were like new, look what time and weather changes has done to them.

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jpscoot_21
12-21-2013, 10:46 AM
Those can be helped with saddle soap, bronze wool, and some oil.

Tom-ADC
12-21-2013, 10:52 AM
Some of the leather rings on the handle are super brittle and just crumbling, he sent me a few to play with. I may try and save a couple or two. I wonder how the end caps are put on and secured.

Blademan21
12-21-2013, 11:03 AM
The end caps may need a special tool may not. We made one out of a piece of tool steel. Washers can be made to replace them.

Tom-ADC
12-21-2013, 11:53 AM
I need to soak these for a few days end caps have a lot of rust on them.

Tom-ADC
12-21-2013, 12:20 PM
I'm told these are US WWII COMBAT KNIFE CATTARAUGUS 225Q not sure if that's the maker or just what they were called?
Okay I wired brushed one and Cattaraugus is stamped on the blade near the hilt.

Blademan21
12-21-2013, 2:28 PM
Cattaraugus 225Q should be stamped on the blade. They were made by the thousands buring WWII. Since they are rusted and the leather handles in bad shape they have very little value to a collector. I found an old post from 2007 about the pommel's construction. Couldn't copy and paste it but if you Google Cattaraugus and scroll to Knifeforums,then down to Cuttaraugus 225Q pommel construction from 10/3/2007 there is a great post about what you need to know. There OP even has some 3D pictures to show how the handles came together.
If it was me I would take the handles apart,with a tap and die rethread the end of the tang and make a end cap out of brass,shape it to fit with notches at each end to take a modified screwdriver to tighten. Look at the end of a old Marbles knife to get a better idea of what I'm talking about. That's the way we did the re-issue of the CISO Recon and SOG knives back in the 90's.
Play with them as they have very little collector value as is.I'll try and find the Q225 I picked up that was redone by a Vet. I'll post a pic when I find it.Good luck and a cool find.

Blademan21
12-21-2013, 3:04 PM
Tom here is the Cattaragus I picked up from an old Vet some time ago. As you can see from the pictures, the leather handle is gone and was replaced with what looks like Plexiglass and other material for spacers. Plexiglass was plentiful in those days once it was replaced with new glass. The end cap is highly modified and has what looks like a English coin soldered on the end. Sheath is carved leather with what looks like a very small American Legion tie pin attached to the snap. Please post more pics when you can.290156

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Tom-ADC
12-21-2013, 3:04 PM
Thanks I think this should help me.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?t=32026

BigPimping
01-07-2014, 8:56 AM
Put those in the marketplace. I am a buyer.

Jester3
01-07-2014, 10:35 AM
Yeah, like said, not much collector value, all the more reason to sell to guys like me who are interested in fooling with knifes but don't want to ruin a collector. thanks

Gutz
01-07-2014, 10:41 AM
I'd be interested in one!! In San Diego too!

Tom-ADC
01-08-2014, 7:37 PM
I have a few of these my brother sent I'm sure he'd sell some I sold two of my to a couple of navy chiefs I know mine are ragged to say the least. If I decide to get rid of anymore I'll contact those interested.
I may ask my brother to send me a couple more.

Alpha Male
01-08-2014, 8:21 PM
ill take one if you decide to sell.

omegaonne
01-08-2014, 8:27 PM
I'll take 2 please

tacksman
01-09-2014, 1:08 PM
Hey brother, looks like you got your work cut out for you there.
If you decide to depart with any more let me know. I'd be glad to buy one from a fellow CPO.

I have a few of these my brother sent I'm sure he'd sell some I sold two of my to a couple of navy chiefs I know mine are ragged to say the least. If I decide to get rid of anymore I'll contact those interested.
I may ask my brother to send me a couple more.

jaandrade3rd
01-09-2014, 1:20 PM
Maybe they are trophies for a different kind of collector. Could there be 21+ unsolved knife crimes?

Yeah, like said, not much collector value, all the more reason to sell to guys like me who are interested in fooling with knifes but don't want to ruin a collector. thanks

Blademan21
01-09-2014, 5:41 PM
I too would be interested in one.

ronin11
01-13-2014, 7:59 PM
Yeah if you are willing to sell a few of these please let me know.

Eat Dirt
01-13-2014, 8:07 PM
Keep this up and you could have a Lot of them sold with little effort

if you wanted to ..

Heck , I'd like to get one of those / Let me know if you do

Tom-ADC
01-22-2014, 6:47 AM
I may let a couple go thinking $25.00 would be fair considering how rough at least to me they are.

Tom-ADC
01-23-2014, 4:56 PM
Okay these five are for sale $25 each first come first served as you see only 3 sheaths available and one isn't correct the leather is as bad as the washers on the knife handles. You pick which one you want and if a sheath is available take your pick, if I ship it would be USPS flat rate box probably a medium actual cost for that $12.35. I'm in the Chula Vista area and can meet in and around Chula.

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Tom-ADC
01-24-2014, 8:03 AM
Two are spoken for I'll post which ones soon.

pterrell
01-24-2014, 8:09 AM
Very cool! It's tempting but I know nothing about trying to get them in decent shape

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Tom-ADC
01-24-2014, 1:38 PM
All are spoken for I'll post again if something falls thru.

M1NM
01-24-2014, 3:23 PM
Just checked the one I inherited from my dad. The blade is rusty but marked as described, the handle is OK. Not sure if he got it during WWII but I remember it as "dad's knife" from at least the mid 50s.

Tom-ADC
01-24-2014, 3:48 PM
Its a shame these got so bad, they must have been in as new shape, they blades appear to have never been sharpened.
The safe belonged to my grandfathers old store and when the business was sold, my dad had the safe and it was empty. They had two other safes for guns etc this one was more of the store safe maybe 4 foot high. But in his later years dad had early stage alzheimer's and unknown to anybody started to stash stuff in the safe, there was also 600 $2.00 bills in wrappers. He had all kinds of stuff in there. But the safe was stored outside in a metal shed, this was un Michigan so it went threw all kinds of weather, dad died in 2004 and the safe was forgotten, my brother had built a new garage and was moving stuff from the shed to the garage. Then remembered the combo was written on the back of his SS card, what a shock when he opened it.

Curtis
01-29-2014, 11:02 AM
My uncle worked the deck of an aircraft carrier out of San Diego during WWII. He said that the crew was more worried about picking up the plexiglass after a crash then helping the "cocky know everything" pilots just out of flight school. He said they would use the plexiglass to make knife handles and sell them to the buys shipping out. He said the plexiglass was very new and expensive at the time. I always wondered how they made the handles.

Tom here is the Cattaragus I picked up from an old Vet some time ago. As you can see from the pictures, the leather handle is gone and was replaced with what looks like Plexiglass and other material for spacers. Plexiglass was plentiful in those days once it was replaced with new glass. The end cap is highly modified and has what looks like a English coin soldered on the end. Sheath is carved leather with what looks like a very small American Legion tie pin attached to the snap. Please post more pics when you can.290156

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