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Pred@tor
02-13-2008, 10:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMliyeIDp4

I voted for this man because I have principals. I don't wanna play into the elitist's game of the lesser evil. We only get taken back further for voting for the less evil of the choices because they are still evil. Ron Paul does not support the North American Union, The Real ID, No gun laws, he wants to secure our boarders, and he is honest. Hes a man I can trust with my guns without shooting myself in the foot. He gets the most donations from active military people. I wanna serve in the military I am trying to get into the USAF myself. The man has support and he can raise money easily because of his message. I know many here despise him but hes the only real choice I can see as a gun owning freedom lover. My Dad even voted for him because he didn't like the other candidates.

Fjold
02-13-2008, 10:46 AM
I don't think that many here despise him. I think that many people here like some of his ideas and other of his ideas are whacko, tinfoil hat conspiracy and pie in the sky impossibilities.

I also think that many people think that he has zero chance of winning the presidency because he would have no support from the middle of the road Americans.

gmcal
02-13-2008, 11:06 AM
I voted for Ron Paul for the same reasons you did. The lesser of the evils is still evil.

I do not agree with all of his positions, Roe V. Wade comes to mind, but reducing the Federal government and taxes, ending aid to other countries, and restoring the Second Amendment to what is actually says are very important to me and he is the only candidate with these positions.

I never really thought he had much of a chance but Ron Paul is the only candidate left who could bring about real positive change for this country. McCain is Bush with new packaging and Obama and Clinton want to push us further towards socialism. Not much of choice if you ask me.

mk19
02-13-2008, 11:29 AM
I voted for him and he gets my money as a veteran, his ideas are awesome and can bring this country back form falling apart.
I'm not a conspiracy nut or anything, but in the past few years have seen this great country going the ways of the USSR. So many things that are happening now remind me of the USSR, eves dropping, media censorship, getting only one side of the news. police brutality, police thinking they are above everyone else, restrictions on gun ownership. restrictions on travel, unified national ID. getting labeled a nut job when pointing to the evils..... i could go on for ever. We need someone like Ron Paul, we owe it to ourselves and our future generations, we can't just stand by waiting for the lesser of 2 evils to screws us and this country into the faith of the Roman Empire.
Freedom is when the government is afraid of the citizens, Dictatorship is when the citizens are afraid of the government.

troyus
02-13-2008, 11:31 AM
I voted for Ron Paul for the same reasons you did. The lesser of the evils is still evil.

I do not agree with all of his positions, Roe V. Wade comes to mind, but reducing the Federal government and taxes, ending aid to other countries, and restoring the Second Amendment to what is actually says are very important to me and he is the only candidate with these positions.

I never really thought he had much of a chance but Ron Paul is the only candidate left who could bring about real positive change for this country. McCain is Bush with new packaging and Obama and Clinton want to push us further towards socialism. Not much of choice if you ask me.

Totally.. and he'd restore not just one amendment but ALL of them which have slowly been whittled away under the war on communism, drugs, terrorism, and every other war to make Americans 'safer'.

mk19
02-13-2008, 11:33 AM
Another thing i used to say right after i left the Marines, was we fought communism with such a passion that now we adopted their ways.

Pred@tor
02-13-2008, 11:48 AM
Yeah don't you hate the Orwellian state we are going into? I dont want my kids to grow up as Slaves either. I had to vote for Ron and I am not 100% with him on the issues but I am a Libertarian I just registered as a Republican and donated money. I would rather have a freedom over more laws and less rights as time goes on. If I do get in the military or don't I am still gonna try and make my way to Montana. Even if it kills me... Rather die a free man than as a slave.

I have donated 658 FRN (Federal Reserve Notes) to Ron Paul's Campagin because I believe in the Constitution and love America. The founders are rolling in their gaves folks and look at what the majority of us have become.

We live in a pampered society where not many people wanna help each other in our communities anymore. Paranoia about our fellow neighbors and everything else. Society is messed up there isn't much common sense anymore or helping your fellow man. I go out of my way to help total strangers and even at work.

I hope this nation turns around peacefully. I sincerely do.

tombinghamthegreat
02-13-2008, 2:16 PM
I voted for him and he gets my money as a veteran, his ideas are awesome and can bring this country back form falling apart.
I'm not a conspiracy nut or anything, but in the past few years have seen this great country going the ways of the USSR. So many things that are happening now remind me of the USSR, eves dropping, media censorship, getting only one side of the news. police brutality, police thinking they are above everyone else, restrictions on gun ownership. restrictions on travel, unified national ID. getting labeled a nut job when pointing to the evils..... i could go on for ever. We need someone like Ron Paul, we owe it to ourselves and our future generations, we can't just stand by waiting for the lesser of 2 evils to screws us and this country into the faith of the Roman Empire.
Freedom is when the government is afraid of the citizens, Dictatorship is when the citizens are afraid of the government.

I could not agree more. If we keep on this path there will eventually be fork in the road. One way is surrender and the other way is civil war. It may sound radical but i think it is crazier when the government takes our rights away and half of our income to fund their illegal acts.

JOEKILLA
02-13-2008, 2:33 PM
The thing Im afraid of is the fact that America doesn't feel the same way as we do.

But whatever happens, I'l be on the Constitution's side.

Archenemy550
02-13-2008, 3:50 PM
I voted for Ron Paul because I honor the U.S. Constitution. I know he won't win, but I can't stand to vote for anyone else.

All the other cantidates might as well use these slogans:
"Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don't allow our enemies to have guns, why should we allow them to have ideas?"
-Joseph Stalin

"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves." -Joseph Stalin

and...

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin

hawk81
02-13-2008, 6:31 PM
Ron Paul is the man to vote for.

bwiese
02-13-2008, 6:40 PM
The above posters are in California.

Perhaps they haven't noticed: California has already spoken in the primary, Hilldog and McCain won.

There is no more opportunity to vote for Ron Paul. He can't even get Huckabee's numbers fergawdsakes. He could flail around and try to run as a 3rd party candidate or as a write-in, both efforts which will go down the drain at best and at worst will assume a Perot-like role. (Remember, Ross Perot is the one that really brought you the 1994 Fed AW ban.)

RP seems to have gotten a fairly effective fundraising operation going. Maybe that was the primary goal (sitting on a nice stash of cash all along), 'cuz he sure as hell didn't run a good campaign or even get the right kinda staff.

ibanezfoo
02-13-2008, 10:12 PM
but in the past few years have seen this great country going the ways of the USSR. So many things that are happening now remind me of the USSR, eves dropping, media censorship, getting only one side of the news. police brutality, police thinking they are above everyone else, restrictions on gun ownership. restrictions on travel, unified national ID. getting labeled a nut job when pointing to the evils..... i could go on for ever.

According to my Russian friend to fled Russia a few years ago to come here to the "land of freedom" you are correct. Its concerning when he starts getting sad and pointing out all the similarities between modern America and Soviet Russia.

-Bryan

ibanezfoo
02-13-2008, 10:16 PM
+1 voting for Ron Paul. I'm no longer playing the "lesser of evils" game. You can say I'm throwing my vote away but at least I can honestly feel good about who I'm voting for. I choose to represent an example of what democracy is all about and leave the childish political crap behind.

-Bryan

SemiAutoSam
02-13-2008, 10:28 PM
Bill
It aint over till its over.

Wait until its OVER.

http://polipundit.com/images/dewey_defeats_truman.jpg




The above posters are in California.

Perhaps they haven't noticed: California has already spoken in the primary, Hilldog and McCain won.

There is no more opportunity to vote for Ron Paul. He can't even get Huckabee's numbers fergawdsakes. He could flail around and try to run as a 3rd party candidate or as a write-in, both efforts which will go down the drain at best and at worst will assume a Perot-like role. (Remember, Ross Perot is the one that really brought you the 1994 Fed AW ban.)

RP seems to have gotten a fairly effective fundraising operation going. Maybe that was the primary goal (sitting on a nice stash of cash all along), 'cuz he sure as hell didn't run a good campaign or even get the right kinda staff.

bwiese
02-13-2008, 10:32 PM
+1 voting for Ron Paul. I'm no longer playing the "lesser of evils" game. You can say I'm throwing my vote away but at least I can honestly feel good about who I'm voting for. I choose to represent an example of what democracy is all about and leave the childish political crap behind.

How can you vote for Ron Paul when he won't be in the general election (99.9% chance, since he's re running for his Congressional seat) and CA election is over?

It's amazing to me that the Paulestinians think, in a republic with a legislature, that one person at the top will cure all ills - or that he could even have that much power. The only way that could be true is if they assume he's a dictator, which is kinda a self-cancelling argument for a Libertarian.

People who like RP's sentiments (and there are many I do like) should concentrate at the lower levels - dog catcher, school board and ports commissions. Rinse, lather, repeat, get them into city councils and then state assemblies. It just doesn't work from the top, and libertarian types conclusively have proven they just can't run a campaign (let alone find a candidate - RP is about the most mainstream, normal-looking one they've ever had and even at times speaks jibberish to a lotta middle America).

Anyway, it's all over for RP for Prez. It was the most non-campaign campaign I've seen and probably had the highest dollars-rased vs. campaign ineffectiveness ratio in some time.

At least he'll likely go back to Congress - a place where he can actually serve well and could help 'replicate' others like him in other districts of similar demographics.

bluestaterebel
02-13-2008, 10:50 PM
Ron Paul for Mayor, Senate or Governor! how many men have gone from congressman to president?

AngelDecoys
02-13-2008, 10:56 PM
Ron Paul for Mayor, Senate or Governor! how many men have gone from congressman to president?

He already tried running for Senate once. Couldn't win Texas. Lost and went back to medicine. Now back to Congress.

Maybe he'll take the pension this time around. Hate to see the guy destitute after giving so many years of service.

stag1500
02-13-2008, 11:03 PM
RP seems to have gotten a fairly effective fundraising operation going. Maybe that was the primary goal (sitting on a nice stash of cash all along), 'cuz he sure as hell didn't run a good campaign or even get the right kinda staff.

How do you gage that? It's kind of hard to run a campaign and get your message out when the media marginalizes you or just flat out censors you. I think Ron Paul did the best he could given the hand he was dealt. He did more to further the cause of liberty than any politician has done in this country since Ronald Reagan. That is his greatest success from this campaign. It was obvious from the very beginning that he wasn't going to get his party's nomination. He probably would have had as much success if he was seeking the Democratic nomination.

The Republican party is not a conservative party anymore. It has moved so far to the left in the last 8 years that if J.F.K. were alive today, he'd be a Republican. This is not the same party of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater anymore. Sure, in rhetoric the Republicans are very libertarian. Talk is cheap. In practice they've been very much like the Democrats which is very sad.

Pred@tor
02-13-2008, 11:21 PM
The problem is too many people have that attitude that he has no chance and that third parties are for suckers this is why we are in the game of two evils. It sucks... (3rd parties and people like Ron are suppressed) If people had some spine still and valued who they actually vote for then we wouldn't have this junk. For how bad Ron has been treated I think he has done well. The media wants to choose our people. The polls may even big rigged and people are still misinformed. (both most likely) Whether you're a conspiracy theorist or who ever we are all in this together. Besides a Conspiracy Theory can be anything so long as its a theory that involves two people. The great thing about this nation is that we can believe weird things if we choose to. Yeah I have read my share of Tin Hat alien stories. :D Wacky stuff out there on the interweb.

bluestaterebel
02-13-2008, 11:35 PM
The problem is too many people have that attitude that he has no chance and that third parties are for suckers this is why we are in the game of two evils. It sucks... (3rd parties and people like Ron are suppressed) If people had some spine still and valued who they actually vote for then we wouldn't have this junk. For how bad Ron has been treated I think he has done well. The media wants to choose our people. The polls may even big rigged and people are still misinformed. (both most likely) Whether you're a conspiracy theorist or who ever we are all in this together. Besides a Conspiracy Theory can be anything so long as its a theory that involves two people. The great thing about this nation is that we can believe weird things if we choose to. Yeah I have read my share of Tin Hat alien stories. :D Wacky stuff out there on the interweb.

the guy couldnt win a senate seat in his own state. it's not like he was a governor running for president. it would have been interesting if he had been a governor, and we could have seen his policies and how he governed. but he wasnt probably cause he couldnt win that either. to then run for president as a congressman is a reach. it's not too late for him to run for the senate again or for governor. if he were governor of texas we might see a mass exodus to texas.

mk19
02-14-2008, 1:10 AM
The way i see it it should not be only about Ron Paul, but about the freedoms and liberties we are losing.

Technowizard
02-14-2008, 2:44 AM
I've liked Ron Paul since I first saw him in Aaron Russo's "America Freedom to Fascism". The man wants to give back are freedoms and get rid of Federal Reserve and IRS... +1000000!

He will have my support for as long as he's trying.

anonymous12
02-14-2008, 7:37 AM
Well if the state of the union gets any worse, I don't think I can take it. I'll have to move or something. Maybe pitch forks and torches are in order?

AngelDecoys
02-14-2008, 8:05 AM
to then run for president as a congressman is a reach.

Actually, JFK came straight from congress. Not the first time for a congressman either. In our history, there's more likelyhood of coming from Congress, then from the Senate. The US has never elected a Senator to President before. This is the first time in the US histroy where the next President will likely come from the Senate.

GenLee
02-14-2008, 8:07 AM
The way i see it it should not be only about Ron Paul, but about the freedoms and liberties we are losing.

+1 on that, So many want to state the obvious, That RP is not electable. This to me is moot. I like many other of his supporters, backed him because we could see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel. and that this two party leftist government we are faced with can and maybe will someday have a leader ready to stand up for our once constitutional rights ...

hawk1
02-14-2008, 8:39 AM
He should be kept around long enough to help shape the Republican platform. Other than that...

Pred@tor
02-14-2008, 10:13 AM
I will admit it is not looking good but the good doctor has my support. The mindset people have about him just don't help either... The man wants to restore our rights instead of taking them away. What I like about Ron is that hes a radical like our founders were with his extraordinary ideas. At least he talks about real important issues we care about unlike the others. He does not shy away from questions either.

bluestaterebel
02-15-2008, 12:40 AM
Actually, JFK came straight from congress. Not the first time for a congressman either. In our history, there's more likelyhood of coming from Congress, then from the Senate. The US has never elected a Senator to President before. This is the first time in the US histroy where the next President will likely come from the Senate.

where are you getting your facts? or am i just crazy? yes JFK was a congressman, but then he became a senator and then president. so how can you say the U.S. never elected a seantor to president?

bluestaterebel
02-15-2008, 1:36 AM
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Thomas Jefferson writer, inventor, lawyer, architect, governor of Virginia, secretary of state under Washington, vice president under Adams writer, gentleman farmer, rector at the University of Virginia
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Andrew Jackson soldier, U.S. congressman, U.S. senator, governor of Florida gentleman farmer
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William Henry Harrison soldier, diplomat, U.S. congressman, U.S. senator from Ohio died in office
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Ulysses Simpson Grant U.S. Army general political activist, writer
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James Abram Garfield schoolteacher, soldier, U.S. representative from Ohio died in office
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Herbert Clark Hoover engineer, U.S. secretary of commerce chair of the Hoover Commission on administrative reform
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Dwight David Eisenhower supreme commander of the Allied forces in Europe, U.S. Army chief of staff writer
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Gerald Rudolph Ford lawyer, U.S. congressman, vice president under Nixon writer
James Earl Carter, Jr. peanut farmer, governor of Georgia writer, humanitarian, Nobel-prize winning statesman
Ronald Wilson Reagan movie actor, corporate spokesman, governor of California writer
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