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xjdesertfox
12-05-2013, 4:30 PM
So,

I live in los angeles county. It is my understanding that within LA county, you may carry any size folder concealed, or any folder with blade length less than or equal to 3" unconcealed.

I carry a 3" folder currently concealed upon the grounds of a cal-state university. I do this to lean on the safe side, just in case a LEO thinks that 3" is that max length concealed or unconcealed.

I currently carry a SOG flash I with a 3" blade, and I cant stand the thing. I'm looking for recommendations for a 3" folder with a handle that can accommodate bigger hands.

Outside of the CSU system my EDC is a benchmade barrage.

I'm a big fan of benchmade, ontario, and esee. So i'm looking for something with similar quality.

Chokoloso
12-05-2013, 4:34 PM
Mini griptilian?

09cs
12-05-2013, 7:23 PM
Not sure what the rule on the cal state is about blade length, but my school says under 5 in. is allowed, so may want to check the cal state handbook and see what they have to say

xjdesertfox
12-05-2013, 8:21 PM
The calstate system has no rules about weapons, they go by local law. And in LA you can only carry a 3" unconcealed folder. (Los angeles municipal code 55.10)


And I believe if your school is in CA, you cannot carry a knife over 4". Assuming your school buildings are considered "public"

This is via PC 171

171.b
(a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part 1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section 11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.
(2) Any deadly weapon described in Section 653k or 12020.
(3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded position by the use of one or two hands.

OuTLaw123
12-05-2013, 8:54 PM
It's not tactical but take a look at the spyderco sage 3

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09cs
12-05-2013, 9:00 PM
The calstate system has no rules about weapons, they go by local law. And in LA you can only carry a 3" unconcealed folder. (Los angeles municipal code 55.10)


And I believe if your school is in CA, you cannot carry a knife over 4". Assuming your school buildings are considered "public"

This is via PC 171

I believe my school buildings are considered private so that may be the main difference.

My understanding was even if the clip was showing it is considered concealed correct? And if concealed there was no blade limit for concealed folder :confused:

xjdesertfox
12-05-2013, 9:08 PM
It's not tactical but take a look at the spyderco sage 3

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spyderco knives are "tactical" to me. I hate using that term, but i just didnt want people recommending folding steak knives and what not.

xjdesertfox
12-05-2013, 9:11 PM
I believe my school buildings are considered private so that may be the main difference.

My understanding was even if the clip was showing it is considered concealed correct? And if concealed there was no blade limit for concealed folder :confused:

if the clip is showing then its not concealed. Thats like someone with a CCW saying they are carrying concealed when you can see their holster.

Concealed is concealed.

geedavell
12-05-2013, 9:42 PM
Mini griptilian?

+1 !

OuTLaw123
12-05-2013, 9:55 PM
I went from a mini grip to a spyderco persistence the blade is 2.75" and it fits flatter/better in the pocket.

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Saintwicked
12-05-2013, 9:57 PM
My under 3" inch carry is an Emerson Mini CQC-7 at 2.9 inches. I also like the Emerson Micro Commander. They have good sized handels. Both have the wave feature which lets the knife open when you pull it from your pocket.

Religious Shooter
12-06-2013, 1:19 AM
I live in LA County too. My EDC changes from Ontario Rat II and Leatherman Skeletool CX.

http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-Knives-Model-Folding-Knife/dp/B00BBPAOCW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386325031&sr=8-1&keywords=ontario+rat+2

http://www.amazon.com/Leatherman-830850-Skeletool-CX-Multitool/dp/B000XU43IC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1386324965&sr=8-2&keywords=skeletool

The Ontario is under $30. So if I lose it somehow... It's only $30.

LouDog
12-06-2013, 1:38 AM
I believe the spyderco yojimbo 2 might be around that size.

xjdesertfox
12-06-2013, 7:08 AM
My under 3" inch carry is an Emerson Mini CQC-7 at 2.9 inches. I also like the Emerson Micro Commander. They have good sized handels. Both have the wave feature which lets the knife open when you pull it from your pocket.

I like these, but Im not a big fan of liner locks, Im going to try to find a local dealer and try to put one in my hands.

I live in LA County too. My EDC changes from Ontario Rat II and Leatherman Skeletool CX.

http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-Knives-Model-Folding-Knife/dp/B00BBPAOCW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386325031&sr=8-1&keywords=ontario+rat+2

http://www.amazon.com/Leatherman-830850-Skeletool-CX-Multitool/dp/B000XU43IC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1386324965&sr=8-2&keywords=skeletool

The Ontario is under $30. So if I lose it somehow... It's only $30.

I ordered one of those ontarios, just because for $30, even if I dont like it i can give it to a buddy.

iron330
12-06-2013, 2:09 PM
Spyderco Delica 4 full flat ground.

goldengate
12-06-2013, 2:43 PM
What's wrong with the SOG Flash that you are currently using? I switch between the SOG Twitch II and Kershaw Leek. Both of them are excellent EDC.

xjdesertfox
12-06-2013, 2:46 PM
What's wrong with the SOG Flash that you are currently using? I switch between the SOG Twitch II and Kershaw Leek. Both of them are excellent EDC.

I have big hands, the flash's handle just doesnt feel right in my hands. I actually have a leak as well, but dont carry it anymore since the tip of the blade broke off on me.

goldengate
12-06-2013, 4:00 PM
I have big hands, the flash's handle just doesnt feel right in my hands. I actually have a leak as well, but dont carry it anymore since the tip of the blade broke off on me.

Ok, then you won't like the SOG Twitch II then, it has a shorter grip than the Leek. Well, keep us posted on what you end up using as your EDC.

ausala
12-09-2013, 10:37 PM
I believe the spyderco yojimbo 2 might be around that size.

Unfortunately, the blade on the yoji is over 3". If you need to be under 3" for compliance purposes, you have to look elsewhere. There are a couple of Emerson knives (mini CQC7 and CQC14, probably others) that are specifically designed to be under 3" to avoid length limit problems.

jyo
12-10-2013, 10:42 PM
Another vote for Spyderco Delica 4---I have both models (with and without "Wave" feature) and straight edge (easier to keep sharp)---the non-Wave model is my EDC---I was told that in some places, the Wave feature (self-opening) could be considered the same as a switchblade...

Librarian
12-10-2013, 11:23 PM
The calstate system has no rules about weapons, they go by local law. And in LA you can only carry a 3" unconcealed folder. (Los angeles municipal code 55.10)


And I believe if your school is in CA, you cannot carry a knife over 4". Assuming your school buildings are considered "public"

This is via PC 171

Cal State is governed by PC 626.10; no mention of folders at all. See the Knife Laws sticky.

JoshuaS
12-12-2013, 8:35 PM
Major correction here

The 3" law? That is not LA county, but the City of LA

I carry a SOG Trident. 3.75". I live in LA county. That is fine. When I go to the City of LA I cannot (or should not) be carrying that.

Now Pacoima is part of the City of LA. So the 3" thing is relevant to you. As far as Colleges and Universities, no fixed blade over 2.5" is generally allowed (I violated that...oops), and otherwise no further restrictions through State law.


I would almost recommend a sub 2" switchblade just for the heck of it, but more seriously Spyderco Native5. 3" blade, 4" handle

Librarian
12-12-2013, 9:26 PM
Major correction here

The 3" law? That is not LA county, but the City of LA

I carry a SOG Trident. 3.75". I live in LA county. That is fine. When I go to the City of LA I cannot (or should not) be carrying that.

Now Pacoima is part of the City of LA. So the 3" thing is relevant to you. As far as Colleges and Universities, no fixed blade over 2.5" is generally allowed (I violated that...oops), and otherwise no further restrictions through State law.


I would almost recommend a sub 2" switchblade just for the heck of it, but more seriously Spyderco Native5. 3" blade, 4" handle

It's both city and county.

Los Angeles County Ordinance (http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=16274) 13.62.010 Knives and daggers defined.

As used in this chapter, the terms "knives and daggers" shall include any knife having a blade of three inches or more in length; any spring-blade, switch-blade or snap-blade knife; any knife any blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device; any ice pick or similar sharp stabbing tool; any straight-edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle.

(Ord. 11915 1, 1979.)

13.62.020 Carrying knives and daggers in plain view prohibited.

It is unlawful for any person to carry on his person, in plain view, any knife or dagger.



Los Angeles City Ordinance (http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/California/lamc/municipalcode?f=templates$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=a mlegal:losangeles_ca_mc) SEC. 55.10. CARRY KNIVES OR DAGGERS IN PLAIN VIEW PROHIBITED.
(Added by Ord. No. 162,995, Eff. 1/7/88.)

(a) As used in this section, the term “knife ” or “dagger” shall include any knife , dirk or dagger having a blade 3 inches or more in length, any ice pick or similar sharp tool, any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle.

(b) No person shall wear or carry in plain view any knife or dagger upon any public street or other public place or in any place open to the public.

(c) The prohibitions of this section shall not apply where a person is wearing or carrying a knife or dagger for use in a lawful occupation, for lawful recreational purposes, or as a recognized religious practice, or while the person is traveling to or returning from participation in such activity.

JoshuaS
12-12-2013, 9:55 PM
That applies only to the open carry of said knife. And here is a working link

http://library.municode.com/HTML/16274/level3/TIT13PUPEMOWE_DIV8WE_CH13.62CAKNPLVI.html#TIT13PUP EMOWE_DIV8WE_CH13.62CAKNPLVI_13.62.020CAKNDAPLVIPR

xjdesertfox
12-12-2013, 10:03 PM
Librarian's quote already states that the 3" law is for open carry. I know this as well and its addressed in my first post. I carry this length because its a common misconception by LEO's (In my experience), that 3" is the absolute limit, and I'd prefer to not have to deal with the hassle.

Librarian
12-12-2013, 10:29 PM
That applies only to the open carry of said knife. And here is a working link

http://library.municode.com/HTML/16274/level3/TIT13PUPEMOWE_DIV8WE_CH13.62CAKNPLVI.html#TIT13PUP EMOWE_DIV8WE_CH13.62CAKNPLVI_13.62.020CAKNDAPLVIPR

It's an open carry prohibition for both. Neither addresses concealed carry, though we know about the state level restriction on concealed fixed blades.

(Both my links work, one merely enters 'knife' in the search box; sorry for the inconvenience.)

scombs263
01-19-2014, 10:53 PM
Emerson!

sirgrumps
01-21-2014, 9:15 AM
Any bench are axis lock.

I prefer Pardue designs, but the axis lock is a great system.

fredridge
01-21-2014, 9:34 AM
So I can be clear

I just bought 2 folding knives - 1 with a 3" blade and the other with 3.5"

am I good to carry these in my pocket in the city and county of Los Angeles?

mickifree12
02-10-2014, 9:41 AM
So I can be clear

I just bought 2 folding knives - 1 with a 3" blade and the other with 3.5"

am I good to carry these in my pocket in the city and county of Los Angeles?

Stick with the 3", 3.5" may or not be legal, but you would definitely get hassled for it if you get caught for it.

mickifree12
02-10-2014, 9:43 AM
The calstate system has no rules about weapons, they go by local law. And in LA you can only carry a 3" unconcealed folder. (Los angeles municipal code 55.10)


And I believe if your school is in CA, you cannot carry a knife over 4". Assuming your school buildings are considered "public"

This is via PC 171

What calstate are you going to if you don't mind me asking? I currently go to LB, and I briefly, and I mean BRIEFLY, read somewhere on the CSULB page something about no knives unless given authorization by the campus police. Of course I could have probably read it wrong.

ruddogg
02-10-2014, 10:58 AM
Mini griptilian?


+1 on the Mini Grip

http://www.knifeworks.com/benchmademinigriptilianmdpplainedgebluehandle.aspx

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz191/ruddoggkb8/ZT0561/20140210_084724_resized_zps939f6081.jpg

Librarian
02-10-2014, 12:27 PM
What calstate are you going to if you don't mind me asking? I currently go to LB, and I briefly, and I mean BRIEFLY, read somewhere on the CSULB page something about no knives unless given authorization by the campus police. Of course I could have probably read it wrong.

They may easily have said such a thing. It would not be a criminal problem - folding knives are not against the law. However, violating a policy could be Bad News for students and staff/employees.

PC 171b does not apply generally to school buildings at a state school. (c) As used in this section, "state or local public building"
means a building that meets all of the following criteria:
(1) It is a building or part of a building owned or leased by the
state or local government, if state or local public employees are
regularly present for the purposes of performing their official
duties. A state or local public building includes, but is not limited
to, a building that contains a courtroom.
(2) It is not a building or facility, or a part thereof, that is
referred to in Section 171c, 171d, 626.9, 626.95, or 626.10 of this
code, or in Section 18544 of the Elections Code.
(3) It is a building not regularly used, and not intended to be
used, by state or local employees as a place of residence.
School buildings are not usually places where "state or local public employees are regularly present for the purposes of performing their official duties". And school buildings are covered under 626.9 - (c)(2) says a 'state or local public building ... is not a building or facility ... referred to in Section ... 626.9'.

Max Power!
02-11-2014, 10:30 AM
Benchmade Mini-Grip. Perfect size for carry. Doesn't take up too much room in the pocket.

AlexDD
02-11-2014, 12:12 PM
What does PC 626.10 refer to when it prohibits - "folding knife with a blade that locks into place" ?

Many folders would be construed to lock in place by the fact they can not be folded with out activating the release mechanism.

The test could be if you can't fold the knife by mere pressure of the back of the blade against a wall...

If so it would seem those are illegal on school grounds irregardless of the length. See statute.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=626-626.11

Curious what Librarian thinks on the matter.

Librarian
02-11-2014, 1:40 PM
What does PC 626.10 refer to when it prohibits - "folding knife with a blade that locks into place" ?

Many folders would be construed to lock in place by the fact they can not be folded with out activating the release mechanism.

The test could be if you can't fold the knife by mere pressure of the back of the blade against a wall...

If so it would seem those are illegal on school grounds irregardless of the length. See statute.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=626-626.11

Curious what Librarian thinks on the matter.

That's K-12,upon the grounds of, or within, any
public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any
of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, and does not apply to CSU. UC, however, has a similar rule. See the knife laws sticky.

IPSICK
02-11-2014, 4:25 PM
Benchmade Emissay is 3" exactly and they make a mini Barrage that's 2.91"

BayAreaShooter
02-12-2014, 9:48 PM
Spyderco Delica 4 all the way.

Siberian23
02-12-2014, 11:12 PM
I vote delica 4 wave

TheTallers8
02-13-2014, 10:32 AM
I've been carrying a Cold Steel XL Vaquero and I'm currently living in LA County trying to get a job at UCLA. I asked a gun dealer about knife laws and carry in school grounds. He said the same thing that if it's 3 inches you can open carry but any bigger you need to clip it in your pant pocket and hide it. I don't know I still think that whole ruling is weird.

Librarian
02-13-2014, 12:24 PM
I've been carrying a Cold Steel XL Vaquero and I'm currently living in LA County trying to get a job at UCLA. I asked a gun dealer about knife laws and carry in school grounds. He said the same thing that if it's 3 inches you can open carry but any bigger you need to clip it in your pant pocket and hide it. I don't know I still think that whole ruling is weird.

No locking folders at UC for visitors - from the knife laws sticky

University of California, which is now like K-12 for non-students/employees – 5 CCR 100015
Quote:
[[5 CCR 100000]] Violation of regulations promulgated under section 92440.5 is punishable as a misdemeanor. Pursuant to section 92440.5, these regulations do not apply to the conduct of students, officers, or employees of the University; their conduct is governed by other University regulations.

[[Misdemeanor to carry or possess]]
B. Any knife having a blade two and one-half inches or more in length.
C. Any folding knife with a blade that locks into place.
You'll have to check the employee handbook to see what it says about knives for employees.

hermosabeach
02-13-2014, 12:48 PM
Spyderco makes some folders with either a yellow or red composition handle.

It is very easy to comment "oh I install carpet as a side job- that's just a carpet cuttin tool I forgot about" or some other work tool story when people see the item clipped in your pocket.

Spyderco also carries some nice steels. The H1 salt is almost rustproof.

Blue- with full size handle.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003CHANLO?cache=10f545be088a230ce1e8dcbc097f46de&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70#ref=mp_s_a_1_9&qid=1392328142&sr=8-9


Red

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005S0IAMM?cache=10f545be088a230ce1e8dcbc097f46de&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70#ref=mp_s_a_1_21&qid=1392328403&sr=8-21


They also make some nasty looking hawk bill style knives- think silence of the lambs 2

They tend to have a shorter handle on the 3" / smaller knives.




Yellow
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00299RY5E?cache=10f545be088a230ce1e8dcbc097f46de&pie=1#ref=mp_s_a_1_1&qid=1392328236&sr=8-1&pis=980,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAoHBwgHBgoICAgLCgoLDhgQDg0NDh0VFhEYIx8lJCIfIi EmKzcvJik0KSEiMEExNDk7Pj4+JS5ESUM8SDc9Pjv/2wBDAQoLCw4NDhwQEBw7KCIoOzs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Oz s7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozv/wAARCAATAG4DASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAGwABAAIDAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIDAQQFBgf/xAAxEAACAgECAwMKBwAAAAAAAAABAgADEQQhEkFRBWGBBhMxMk JicZGx0RQzQ1KhweH/xAAaAQACAwEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBQQG/8QAIhEAAgICAQMFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAECEQMEIQUSMRNBQnGR/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwD7NEg9qp6dz0lRu4uePCAFzMqjLHEos1a oNh4mRJX3iZB1Rxhq8jvMVjMVXjVFSWzWxI6CW2YpsBqONt15S tVCoERAqgYAkXZkCgAY6ARAG7TKnApyR73+SmztLUewqjfkMkT na/T6i7UVmm4oFfLDOMjI7t9sjHf3Ter0lzjIQ+O083Pb25yqDvzw l4OpQglyPxuqBB87nuKjH0mW1+pYeuE+AB+omH0dyDPAZSVb9p +U5pbO5jXbJtfZNQxvlFy6/VD9QN8VH9S1e1Lh61aN8CV+80ucSEd/Zj8xvFB+x0k7VrP5lbp3jcfebVWoqvXNbhuuOU83rhedDcNKcX lCKz0bG38zl+Ta9s1jUtr2trBYCoWWB2A55Pympr9Sm4OWSuP0 qlhV0j2ZOXOZLhHSIm6cwIA5SSKD6REQAsFaj2ZnhHQbREYiHm q/OcfCOLrJxEjGKXhAIxESQEHprf1kB8Jy9TUiWkKuBETH6pjh6f dXNl+FuykoufRJVVIxwwzt1iJk68IuStF826P/2Q==


Hawk bill design

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000BSY9G2?cache=10f545be088a230ce1e8dcbc097f46de&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70#ref=mp_s_a_1_4&qid=1392328548&sr=8-4

compshell
02-14-2014, 3:09 PM
my vote is the kershaw leek. I prefer the ss version with the body lock and not liner lock version. These are assisted and open nicely with little effort. US made and lifetime sharpening, just mail them in. I love my leeks.

http://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-1660ST-Serrated-Folding-SpeedSafe/dp/B0009VC9YA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1392422821&sr=8-2&keywords=kershaw+leek

I tried the benchmades (griptillian and mini grip) did not like the handles, they felt cheap and the scaled material felt cheap too. The leek profile is perfect, sleek and the right size.

Wikma Flintstone
02-14-2014, 3:25 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/cadjak/misc%20Knives/Benchmade/rockets_012_2-Copy-Copy.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cadjak/media/misc%20Knives/Benchmade/rockets_012_2-Copy-Copy.jpg.html)

Benchmade 755MPR, Blade is 2.90 inches and .164" thick. it weighs 5.5 oz. Has a Titanium monolock (framelock). The thing is built like a mini tank.