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Liberty1
02-08-2008, 9:55 AM
http://www.news.com/How-will-Real-ID-affect-you/2009-1028_3-6229517.html

Q: What about buying firearms?
That's an open question. Homeland Security last month refused to rule out requiring Real ID for firearm purchases in the future.

When asked about requiring Real ID to buy a firearm, Homeland Security replied: "DHS will continue to consider additional ways in which a Real ID license can or should be used and will implement any changes to the definition of 'official purpose' or determinations regarding additional uses for Real ID consistent with applicable laws and regulatory requirements. DHS does not agree that it must seek the approval of Congress as a prerequisite to changing the definition in the future."

emc002
02-08-2008, 9:55 AM
http://www.news.com/How-will-Real-ID-affect-you/2009-1028_3-6229517.html

But God forbid they ask for Real ID to vote!

SemiAutoSam
02-08-2008, 10:04 AM
Not many free states left.

Most of them have Bent over for this REAL ID law.

http://news.com.com/i/ne/p/2008/map_currentREV3_315x213.png

dasmi
02-08-2008, 10:11 AM
Q: So if I live in Maine, South Carolina, Montana, Oklahoma, or New Hampshire, and I want to fly out of any U.S. airport starting May 11, what happens?
The Bush administration has not answered that question. The Transportation Security Administration referred our questions to the Department of Homeland Security. A Homeland Security spokesman told us: "That's an operational, ongoing issue at this point in time. We'll need to be a bit closer in."

One likely situation is that starting May 11, security checkpoints at all U.S. airports will have a Real ID and a non-Real ID line. Non-Real ID would be in the slow line, which Homeland Security predicts will involve "delays" and "enhanced security screening." (One official with the Portland International Airport even joked about a mandatory "full body cavity search.")

If that joke becomes reality, my reply will be "go to hell."

chris
02-08-2008, 4:14 PM
Not many free states left.

Most of them have Bent over for this REAL ID law.

http://news.com.com/i/ne/p/2008/map_currentREV3_315x213.png

i'm sure Kalifornia was the first to take it in the rear, and asked for more.:eek:

wilit
02-08-2008, 5:18 PM
Guess I'll just have to brush up more on my machining and welding skills and only build my firearms from now on. :(

Jared D
02-08-2008, 8:48 PM
But God forbid they ask for Real ID to vote!
Its against California law to ask illegal law breakers to show ID while they excercise their right to vote.;)

tombinghamthegreat
02-08-2008, 8:56 PM
Do not get the real ID at all regardless if it is required. There is a reason why the black market exists.

Liberty1
02-09-2008, 7:31 AM
New Hampshirites attempt to remain "real" id free:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZYAVtSJoc&feature=user

Bad Voodoo
02-09-2008, 8:28 AM
Real ID is bull****. Utah's concerns are right on the money:


On February 16, 2007, Utah unanimously passed a resolution that opposes the REAL ID Act.[17] The resolution states that REAL ID is "in opposition to the Jeffersonian principles of individual liberty, free markets, and limited government." It further states that "the use of identification-based security cannot be justified as part of a 'layered' security system if the costs of the identification 'layer'--in dollars, lost privacy, and lost liberty--are greater than the security identification provides":

"the "common machine-readable technology" required by the REAL ID Act would convert state-issued driver licenses and identification cards into tracking devices, allowing computers to note and record people's whereabouts each time they are identified"

"the requirement that states maintain databases of information about their citizens and residents and then share this personal information with all other states will expose every state to the information security weaknesses of every other state and threaten the privacy of every American"

"the REAL ID Act wrongly coerces states into doing the federal government's bidding by threatening to refuse noncomplying states' citizens the privileges and immunities enjoyed by other states' citizens"

I implore each of you to contact your Senators and demand that they repeal this act of tyranny. We also have another election cycle coming up soon, and it would be interesting to determine the incumbents who have/have not endorsed Real ID. Our states rights are disappearing fast folks, and it's time to act quickly. "Too late" is almost here.

grywlfbg
02-09-2008, 9:40 AM
Q: Is there any chance that the next administration or Congress will roll back these requirements before they kick in?
It's a little early to tell. Obama and Clinton have both expressed some concerns about Real ID, while McCain enthusiastically supports it.

Damn, why do we continue to have to settle for the lesser of evils in our policitians? Which do you fear more, gun restrictions or "Papers please"?

At least the weather's nice :(

mk19
02-09-2008, 9:57 AM
the good ol' days, back in 1775. DONT THREAD ON US!

Crazed_SS
02-09-2008, 10:07 AM
Damn, why do we continue to have to settle for the lesser of evils in our policitians? Which do you fear more, gun restrictions or "Papers please"?

At least the weather's nice :(

People are willing to do anything for the illusion of increased security. Just think of it this way, when we all have these "Real ID" cards to prove our citizenship, agents of the state can simply walk up to everyone and demand to see the card. If you cant produce it on the spot, you get to be detained until your citizenship is determined. It should do wonders for busting illegals.

Pred@tor
02-09-2008, 10:16 AM
http://nonationalid.com/

http://unrealid.com/

I will not accept this card its the mark of the beast....

Although I am trying to get into the military and the military ID is pretty much the same as this card. I plan on moving out to Montana if I do get in and hopefully I will be stationed out there.

McCain is for this, he created free speech zones, and do not be fooled his is no friend to us gun owners either.