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SDDAVE56
11-30-2013, 8:02 AM
Sorry if this has already been addressed in here somewhere, but I couldn't find it.

Possession of a registered "assault weapon".

I have an AR15 thats registered to me as an assault weapon. Lets say Im on BLM land shooting with my kids, and I let them shoot the AR, is that illegal?

a1c
11-30-2013, 9:20 AM
No, it's perfectly legal as long as you are next to the rifle at all times. Also make sure you always have with you (I keep one in the rifle's case) a copy of the DOJ's letter.

ColtShooter
11-30-2013, 9:57 AM
You're good to go. Having the AW letter is not required but will make things HK more smoothly in the unlikely event you encounter a ranger.

ColtShooter
11-30-2013, 9:58 AM
Should be "go" more smoothly. Guess I have HK's on my mind.

18Dmedic
11-30-2013, 10:25 AM
Must keep letter with rifle at all times and the rifle must be near you and within your positive control...meaning you haven't let someone walk off the firing line with it.

Carnivore
11-30-2013, 11:09 AM
Must keep letter with rifle at all times.

No not required at all but as already said it will make things easier if you should be stopped and checked. There is no legal requirement to have the paper though.

the rifle must be near you and within your positive control...meaning you haven't let someone walk off the firing line with it.

This is true and goes for any 11+ round magazines you have too. In the eyes of the law makers you must be able to take the rifle away at anytime in case the shooting decides to go rogue and start shooting at a school.

Quiet
11-30-2013, 11:44 AM
Sorry if this has already been addressed in here somewhere, but I couldn't find it.

Possession of a registered "assault weapon".

I have an AR15 thats registered to me as an assault weapon. Lets say Im on BLM land shooting with my kids, and I let them shoot the AR, is that illegal?

When letting another person possess your RAW:
1. That person needs to be 18 years of age or older [PC 30660(a)(1)]
2. You need to be present at all times [PC 30660(a)(2)]
3. It can only be done at a licensed target range [PC 30660(a)(3)(A)&(B)] or at a LE approved display/function [PC 30660(a)(3)(C)]

It is also illegal for a minor (person under the age of 18) to possess a RAW. [PC 30950]

Therefore, it would be a felony for you to let your kids (that are under 18 years of age) shoot your RAW and to let anyone else shoot your RAW on BLM land.



Penal Code 30660
(a) Section 30600 shall not apply to a person who lawfully possesses and has registered an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle pursuant to this chapter who lends that assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle to another person, if all the following requirements are satisfied:
(1) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent is 18 years of age or over and is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.
(2) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent remains in the presence of the registered possessor of the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle.
(3) The assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is possessed at any of the following locations:
(A) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
(B) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets.
(C) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
(b) Section 30600 shall not apply to the return of an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle to the registered possessor, or the lawful possessor, which is lent by that registered or lawful possessor pursuant to subdivision (a).
(c) Sections 30605 and 30610 shall not apply to the possession of an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle by a person to whom an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent pursuant to subdivision (a).

Penal Code 30950
No person who is under the age of 18 years, and no person who is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, may register or possess an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle.

rootuser
11-30-2013, 2:05 PM
When letting another person possess your RAW:
1. That person needs to be 18 years of age or older [PC 30660(a)(1)]
2. You need to be present at all times [PC 30660(a)(2)]
3. It can only be done at a licensed target range [PC 30660(a)(3)(A)&(B)] or at a LE approved display/function [PC 30660(a)(3)(C)]

It is also illegal for a minor (person under the age of 18) to possess a RAW. [PC 30950]

Therefore, it would be a felony for you to let your kids (that are under 18 years of age) shoot your RAW and to let anyone else shoot your RAW on BLM land.



Penal Code 30660
(a) Section 30600 shall not apply to a person who lawfully possesses and has registered an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle pursuant to this chapter who lends that assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle to another person, if all the following requirements are satisfied:
(1) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent is 18 years of age or over and is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.
(2) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent remains in the presence of the registered possessor of the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle.
(3) The assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is possessed at any of the following locations:
(A) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
(B) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets.
(C) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
(b) Section 30600 shall not apply to the return of an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle to the registered possessor, or the lawful possessor, which is lent by that registered or lawful possessor pursuant to subdivision (a).
(c) Sections 30605 and 30610 shall not apply to the possession of an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle by a person to whom an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent pursuant to subdivision (a).

Penal Code 30950
No person who is under the age of 18 years, and no person who is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, may register or possess an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle.

As posted by Quiet, there are a lot of things you need to be in compliance with to trust USFS or BLM enforcement. It can still all go sideways even if you are in compliance. Just be prepared.

Quiet
11-30-2013, 6:24 PM
As posted by Quiet, there are a lot of things you need to be in compliance with to trust USFS or BLM enforcement. It can still all go sideways even if you are in compliance. Just be prepared.

RAWs can only be legally possessed in specific locations. [PC 30945]

BLM land is allowed only if the managing agency authorizes it. [PC 30945(f)]

So, you need to inquire with BLM if it's okay to use before going on to a specific section of BLM land with a RAW.



Penal Code 30945
Unless a permit allowing additional uses is first obtained under Section 31000, a person who has registered an assault weapon or registered a .50 BMG rifle under this article may possess it only under any of the following conditions:
(a) At that person's residence, place of business, or other property owned by that person, or on property owned by another with the owner's express permission.
(b) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets.
(c) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
(d) While on the premises of a shooting club that is licensed pursuant to the Fish and Game Code.
(e) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
(f) While on publicly owned land, if the possession and use of a firearm described in Section 30510, 30515, 30520, or 30530, is specifically permitted by the managing agency of the land.
(g) While transporting the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle between any of the places mentioned in this section, or to any licensed gun dealer, for servicing or repair pursuant to Section 31050, if the assault weapon is transported as required by Sections 16850 and 25610.

SDDAVE56
12-02-2013, 9:50 AM
Well that answers my question, thanks a bunch.

kentactic
12-02-2013, 11:21 AM
You must stand right next to them and they can discharge the weapon into a dirt hill 3 ft away.... 'Merica...

SemperFi1775
12-02-2013, 12:03 PM
RAWs can only be legally possessed in specific locations. [PC 30945]

BLM land is allowed only if the managing agency authorizes it. [PC 30945(f)]

So, you need to inquire with BLM if it's okay to use before going on to a specific section of BLM land with a RAW.



Penal Code 30945
Unless a permit allowing additional uses is first obtained under Section 31000, a person who has registered an assault weapon or registered a .50 BMG rifle under this article may possess it only under any of the following conditions:
(a) At that person's residence, place of business, or other property owned by that person, or on property owned by another with the owner's express permission.
(b) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets.
(c) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
(d) While on the premises of a shooting club that is licensed pursuant to the Fish and Game Code.
(e) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
(f) While on publicly owned land, if the possession and use of a firearm described in Section 30510, 30515, 30520, or 30530, is specifically permitted by the managing agency of the land.
(g) While transporting the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle between any of the places mentioned in this section, or to any licensed gun dealer, for servicing or repair pursuant to Section 31050, if the assault weapon is transported as required by Sections 16850 and 25610.

these restrictions, along with other aw restrictions, were mentioned many times this summer while sb47/379 were being voted on.... and there were many calgunners who wanted them to become law so they can take off their bb.... :rolleyes: