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rksimple
02-05-2008, 9:34 AM
Done!

wildcard
02-05-2008, 9:38 AM
So this is opened to bullets and powder? Let's see..

Timberwolf
02-05-2008, 9:40 AM
I need some RE15 and possibly I4895 - prices, details, etc?

wildcard
02-05-2008, 9:41 AM
I'm going to guess prices are whatever is posted on Powder Valley.

Son of a biotch.. they're out of 168 and 190 SMK 500 ct boxes.

I'm in for at least 6 lbs of powder and 2 lbs of primers.

PistolPete75
02-05-2008, 9:57 AM
i'm in for (1) 5lbs of RL15.

rksimple
02-05-2008, 10:07 AM
What kind of es have you been getting with the rl15 Pete? What bullets have you been using with it?

Prices are as listed on PV. We're just going to split hazmat and shipping.

ar15barrels
02-05-2008, 10:28 AM
I'd be in for single pound cans of RL15, VV N560, Ramshot Tac and Ramshot Magnum.

Prc329
02-05-2008, 10:33 AM
Depending on when the order will be placed I should be in for a 5ld jug or RL15.

wildcard
02-05-2008, 10:48 AM
I'd be in for single pound cans of RL15, VV N560, Ramshot Tac and Ramshot Magnum.

Single pounds? What a newbie ;)

ar15barrels
02-05-2008, 10:50 AM
Single pounds? What a newbie ;)

Have you seen my reloading room?
I don't buy jugs until I try them first.
How about you give me 4 ounces of each powder so I can do some test groups?

I have 8lb jugs of Varget and a bunch of other powders here already, but it's always good to explore all the options before comitting.

Timberwolf
02-05-2008, 10:51 AM
What kind of es have you been getting with the rl15 Pete? What bullets have you been using with it?

Prices are as listed on PV. We're just going to split hazmat and shipping.

If it'll help the ES for my load is in the 20s with SDs avg high single digits to low teens. I use it for 168, 175, 180 and 190 SMKs. You will also find it is pretty consistent lot to lot unlike Varget. Its also pretty stable with temp.

rksimple
02-05-2008, 10:53 AM
If it'll help the ES for my load is in the 20s with SDs avg high single digits to low teens. I use it for 168, 175, 180 and 190 SMKs. You will also find it is pretty consistent lot to lot unlike Varget. Its also pretty stable with temp.

Thanks! My only reason for switching from Varget is this recent keg is giving me pretty high ES. I don't mind having to change a grain or two every time I order a couple kegs, in return for the temp stability. RL15 is just a little less stable, but probably not enough to worry about.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 10:56 AM
Anyone coming down my way, s...a...n...d...i...e...g...o....?

I want some..... LR primers..... 155scenar.... 168smk..... 175smk..... or new lapua 77gr .223.... or new 77smk w/ cannellure..... powders.....

Or are you guys free to do a shoot @ pala on 2/24 sunday? They have a practice day for their highpower club..... up to 885yds(800meters)...

Anyone?

Jicko
02-05-2008, 10:59 AM
I can post some numbers, I had been almost solely doing experiments with RL15 these days.

Here they are, tested just this weekend. Powder dispensed by PACT, +/- .05gr (basically if it doesn't display exactly the target wt, I will dump it and re-dispense)

.308 -----------------------------------------

4 rounds
46.2gr RL15 / Lapua case / 155Scenar / bullet wt: 154.2gr / avg oal: 2.784
avg vel: 2922
lo vel: 2909
hi vel: 2938
ES: 29
SD: 15.4

3 rounds
46.5gr RL15 / LC05 case / 155Scenar / bullet wt: 154.2gr / avg oal: 2.789
avg vel: 2956
lo vel: 2936
hi vel: 2970
ES: 34
SD: 17.8


.223 -----------------------------------------

10 rounds
24.5gr RL15 / LC05 case / 77NoslerCC / bullet wt: 77.0gr / avg oal: 2.247
avg vel: 2716
lo vel: 2699
hi vel: 2733
ES: 34
SD: 12.4

rksimple
02-05-2008, 11:01 AM
I can post some numbers, I had been almost solely doing experiments with RL15 these days.

Might be helpful for some of us wanting to switch. Thanks!

ar15barrels
02-05-2008, 11:02 AM
Anyone coming down my way, s...a...n...d...i...e...g...o....?

Take the 5 fwy north a hundred and fifty miles.
Exit in Santa Clarita and proceed to APS. ;)

PistolPete75
02-05-2008, 11:53 AM
What kind of es have you been getting with the rl15 Pete? What bullets have you been using with it?

Prices are as listed on PV. We're just going to split hazmat and shipping.

my dumb axx shot the chrony. i don't know my es, but i do know i've been grouping well out to 700yards. if i took out the flier that opened it up to 1moa, it would have been 1/2moa grouping. (on my fifth shot, i had to reload and i broke my check weld). rl15 also burns very cleanly, and is pretty soft shooting. i've been shooting 168noslers with rl15. rl15 is known to work well with 30cal bullets.

42.5grains of rl15, 168nosler, br2 primers, and fgmm brass set to 2.815oal works like a charm for me. soft shooting, fast, yet stable and accurate for 168grainer class. i am able to shoot 25% more then using 155 lupua scenars. i figure the experience will overcome the better bc. i need rount count experience. my total 30cal shooting is around 2k. i need to play catch up on experience. remember i'm still relatively new in this sport. less than 1 year in rifle experience, so i need to shoot more.

rksimple
02-05-2008, 12:22 PM
So with everyone that has posted what they want so far, we have 31lbs of powder and 1k scenars.

Twolf-you know what you want?

I can do the ordering if you want. Just send personal checks, I think that would be easiest. We can just make the cutoff date monday for the checks to be in my hands, and then I'll place the order. Is that too early? I want to get on these scenars before they up the price like everyone else has. Let me know what you want to do.

Timberwolf
02-05-2008, 12:38 PM
5 lbs RE 15 for sure - I may change and add some boolits - I'm going to try the 155 Scenars this weekend and see how they do

Jicko
02-05-2008, 12:45 PM
For the record..... from my limited tests, i actually surprisingly found that "pulled 173gr old M118 FMJ" and "168SMK" shoot better than my "155Scenar"

3rounds of "pulled 173gr old M118 FMJ" 42.0gr RL15 -> 0.58" @ 100yds

5rounds of "168SMK" 42.0gr RL15-> 0.78" @ 100yds

5rounds of "155Scenar" 46.2gr RL15-> 1.3" @ 100yds

3rounds of "Factory Lapua w/ 155Scenar" -> 1.06" @ 100yds


BTW, I *still* haven't got the Hornady chamber OAL guage yet, so I am loading my rounds to 2.78ish OAL. I think I will benefit from measuring my 700PSS's chamber and then load my rounds closer to the lands.

wildcard
02-05-2008, 12:49 PM
6 lbs of RL-25. And most likely 2K of primers I'll let you know about later today when I have a look at my stash.

If you're coming out on Sunday.. I just give you cash if that works for you.

rksimple
02-05-2008, 12:50 PM
6 lbs of RL-25. And most likely 2K of primers I'll let you know about later today when I have a look at my stash.

If you're coming out on Sunday.. I just give you cash if that works for you.

Sounds good. I should make it out sunday afternoon and thats cool to pay me then.

rksimple
02-05-2008, 12:57 PM
For the record..... from my limited tests, i actually surprisingly found that "pulled 173gr old M118 FMJ" and "168SMK" shoot better than my "155Scenar"

3rounds of "pulled 173gr old M118 FMJ" 42.0gr RL15 -> 0.58" @ 100yds

5rounds of "168SMK" 42.0gr RL15-> 0.78" @ 100yds

5rounds of "155Scenar" 46.2gr RL15-> 1.3" @ 100yds

3rounds of "Factory Lapua w/ 155Scenar" -> 1.06" @ 100yds


BTW, I *still* haven't got the Hornady chamber OAL guage yet, so I am loading my rounds to 2.78ish OAL. I think I will benefit from measuring my 700PSS's chamber and then load my rounds closer to the lands.

You should try seating them to 2.830 or so. You're jumping them quite a bit.

wildcard
02-05-2008, 1:11 PM
The problem with 2.83 OAL in the 700P is that you'll barely make it in the magazine box. If you have that little burr on your bullet tip, you'll get jammed up. Horrible thing to happen in the middle of a match.. ask me how I know.

I dropped my OAL down to 2.82 and i'm happy now. Or was it 2.815..

PistolPete75
02-05-2008, 1:12 PM
For the record..... from my limited tests, i actually surprisingly found that "pulled 173gr old M118 FMJ" and "168SMK" shoot better than my "155Scenar"

3rounds of "pulled 173gr old M118 FMJ" 42.0gr RL15 -> 0.58" @ 100yds

5rounds of "168SMK" 42.0gr RL15-> 0.78" @ 100yds

5rounds of "155Scenar" 46.2gr RL15-> 1.3" @ 100yds

3rounds of "Factory Lapua w/ 155Scenar" -> 1.06" @ 100yds


BTW, I *still* haven't got the Hornady chamber OAL guage yet, so I am loading my rounds to 2.78ish OAL. I think I will benefit from measuring my 700PSS's chamber and then load my rounds closer to the lands.

that does make sense. 700ps shoot 168s the best.

however with a match palma chamber, the 155 scenars should kick some serious axx.

Prc329
02-05-2008, 1:14 PM
The problem with 2.83 OAL in the 700P is that you'll barely make it in the magazine box. If you have that little burr on your bullet tip, you'll get jammed up. Horrible thing to happen in the middle of a match.. ask me how I know.

I dropped my OAL down to 2.82 and i'm happy now. Or was it 2.815..

That's why the AICS mags kick ***. I am right now at 2.83 but was running 2.84. I think I can seat at 2.85 if I wanted to and still feed from the mag. It would barely clear the mag though.

Short range accuracy with the 175s was was better but the 155s handled the wind better at longer ranges and shot flatter.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 1:22 PM
You guys use Hornady guages to determine your seating depth and OAL right?

rksimple
02-05-2008, 1:25 PM
You guys use Hornady guages to determine your seating depth and OAL right?

I use the RCBS precision mic.

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 1:31 PM
I just spent $1,000 on books then another 1k for an AICS. I cant ****ing think right now. Im gona cry....... I cant make the order right now, CC is maxed out with school bills that I need to pay back. Anyone else want to do it? Ill send out an MO.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 1:33 PM
I just spent $1,000 on books then another 1k for an AICS. I cant ****ing think right now. Im gona cry....... I cant make the order right now, CC is maxed out with school bills that I need to pay back. Anyone else want to do it? Ill send out an MO.

Will u or ur frd be coming down to SD? If so, I can part take in the GB!!

I can pay for your stuffs first (if you are not ordering thousands dollars worth of stuff, and you can just pass a MO or check back to me together with my stuffs later...)

Prc329
02-05-2008, 1:33 PM
You guys use Hornady guages to determine your seating depth and OAL right?

I have one I've used in the past. I was just loading to mag length. I think I would suck even more then I do now if I had to single feed.

Prc329
02-05-2008, 1:36 PM
Will u or ur frd be coming down to SD? If so, I can part take in the GB!!

I can pay for your stuffs first (if you are not ordering thousands dollars worth of stuff, and you can just pass a MO or check back to me together with my stuffs later...)

I'll probably be down in about 3 weeks or so. If my mom-in-law rides to AZ with me I'll be down on the 21st or 22nd.

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 1:36 PM
He is in SD right now Jicko...... Hes a full time student and doesnt have time for anything else he says. I take 18 units and work FULL time, tell me again why I might not go shooting all the time...

Jicko
02-05-2008, 1:37 PM
I have one I've used in the past. I was just loading to mag length. I think I would suck even more then I do now if I had to single feed.

U HAVE AICS!! Mag length is not equal .308 spec length. 308 spec is 2.800", that's why so far I am loading to 2.78 or 2.79 (Lapua factory is loaded to 2.78ish). But I do agree that I probably have a huge jump before it get to the lands.

I have yet to find out tho.

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 1:39 PM
Im runnin AICS mags in my 7wsm. They are ALOT longer OAL then an 308win..... Take your spacers out.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 1:39 PM
I'll probably be down in about 3 weeks or so. If my mom-in-law rides to AZ with me I'll be down on the 21st or 22nd.

So, can I participate in this GB and burden you to bring me the stuffs (and maybe my buff & muff too?)? :p

Prc329
02-05-2008, 1:43 PM
Sure. email me to work out the particulars.

Prc329
02-05-2008, 1:44 PM
U HAVE AICS!! Mag length is not equal .308 spec length. 308 spec is 2.800", that's why so far I am loading to 2.78 or 2.79 (Lapua factory is loaded to 2.78ish). But I do agree that I probably have a huge jump before it get to the lands.

I have yet to find out tho.

My savage was stuffing into the lands at 2.94. I know the remmy is longer. I'll check my chamber later tonight when I get a chance.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 1:44 PM
Sure. email me to work out the particulars.

Thanks bro! I will only do it if YOU are getting stuff from this GB too.

BY THE WAY, someone should check "dealer prices" from Grafs too.... I heard that they *may* be cheaper than PV.....

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 1:45 PM
NO PV has 07 prices still.

Prc329
02-05-2008, 1:46 PM
I'll check it out

rksimple
02-05-2008, 1:46 PM
NO PV has 07 prices still.

Thats why I want to do it soon, before they go up.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 1:48 PM
Count me in count me in..... since prc329 is nice enough to help me!!!!

I'll go check tonite. I'd be in for some RL15 (a lot of), 155Scenar, CCI LR primers, and maybe 1lb here and 1lb there....

I *still* want to try out VARGET and IMR4895.

Is IMR3031 any good?

Wait for me... I AM IN!

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 1:48 PM
I might use my Debit card and do it right now.

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 1:49 PM
Run Varget or Rl15 dont have too many types of powder.
I use RL22 30-06
Rl15 Varget- 223 and 308
I use win primers, Feds 210s, and BR2s. HAve about 3,000 of each getting worried.

Prc329
02-05-2008, 1:51 PM
5 lb jug of reloader 15 at grafs is $1.20 cheaper BUT 1k scenars is 12.44 more and you need to add 3% for the cc use.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 2:25 PM
150 rounds of 308 OR 280 rounds of 223 per 1lb of RL15

man, i would need.... a LOT of them.....

7lbs for just 1k of 155Scenar

this hobby is expensive....

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 2:26 PM
Order 15 pounds of Rl15 and 1k of the scenars. Shoot 75gr BTHP out of your AR, they work great. And affordable.

Jicko
02-05-2008, 2:42 PM
I just PM'ed RK for my powder order. I'd need to add primers and bullets once I figured out.

ar15barrels
02-05-2008, 4:47 PM
my dumb axx shot the chrony.

Didn't I mention something about people not liking to loan chronys because people that don't own them are likely to shoot them?

Had you just bought it?
Please tell me it was not borrowed...:eek:

PistolPete75
02-05-2008, 5:28 PM
Didn't I mention something about people not liking to loan chronys because people that don't own them are likely to shoot them?

Had you just bought it?
Please tell me it was not borrowed...:eek:

when it's yours, your allowed to do whatever you want with it. can i borrow yours? :43:

Prc329
02-05-2008, 6:31 PM
I just measured and my rifle with about 750 rounds threw the barrel is sitting at 2.956 oal into the lands.

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 6:59 PM
Being my savage is GOing away now for shure, Im gona get with adam @ Bauer arms and order 1k of the 208gr AMAX. Will be shooting my 30-06. I will have to get my 308 funds for the premier FFP scope and finish off that 308 sitting at randys house.

rksimple
02-06-2008, 6:43 PM
I updated the original post with what I have to this point. Let me know if anything needs to be changed. We should get this finalized by tomorrow.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 7:48 AM
I'll also take a 1000 ct box of CCI #250 LARGE RIFLE MAG PRIMERS.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 8:36 AM
OK, updated it again. Let me know if anything needs to be added or changed in any way. Today will be the cutoff. I'll try to call powder valley by this afternoon and get a shipping estimate so we know total cost for every person involved.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 8:38 AM
Just so you know.. you're maxed out at 48 pounds of hazmat already.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 8:40 AM
Just so you know.. you're maxed out at 48 pounds already

on occassion, i got them to stuff more stuff in the boxes and go over 48lbs. remember bullets are very heavy and take up most of the weight, but not the volume.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 8:41 AM
on occassion, i got them to stuff more stuff in the boxes and go over 48lbs. remember bullets are very heavy and take up most of the weight, but not the volume.

Yeah.. but as far as Hazmat goes.. 48 lbs. I think bullets are exempt from the weight per box.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 8:44 AM
Geez.. i'm buying components for rifles I haven't even completed!

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 8:46 AM
i rememeber i went to like 68pounds once, but it did include some bullets for you. but that was no more than like 10pounds, so i know we got like 50something pounds of hazmat. talk really nice, and i'll bet she let you stuff the boxes a little more.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 8:48 AM
i rememeber i went to like 68pounds once, but it did include some bullets for you. but that was no more than like 10pounds, so i know we got like 50something pounds of hazmat. talk really nice, and i'll bet she let you stuff the boxes a little more.

I remember that. I finally got to reloading those bullets just a few months ago. Too bad I don't shoot handguns that much at all anymore :( Need to get back into it but I just don't have the time!

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 8:50 AM
I remember that. I finally got to reloading those bullets just a few months ago. Too bad I don't shoot handguns that much at all anymore :( Need to get back into it but I just don't have the time!

i got tons of .45acp loaded for my 1911, but haven't shot it in months. ready for the machining class on saturday?

rksimple
02-07-2008, 8:54 AM
I think we're over the limit with primers included. I'm going to get some powder of some sort, so it may be a bit much. We'll see what she says.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 8:56 AM
i got tons of .45acp loaded for my 1911, but haven't shot it in months. ready for the machining class on saturday?

You bet.. aside from the time commitment.. I'm actually rather excited. I finally got around to logging on and paying for the class yesterday too. I can forsee the classes I'll be missing already. APS matches.. Florida trip for work.. Ski trip.. wish I didn't have to miss out on class but I have a life and relationship i'd like to maintain.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 9:02 AM
I think we're over the limit with primers included. I'm going to get some powder of some sort, so it may be a bit much. We'll see what she says.


tell her my name too. say we are all ordering together. repeat customer angle, ya know? i have a couple thousand of dollars spent on file with her.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 9:03 AM
You bet.. aside from the time commitment.. I'm actually rather excited. I finally got around to logging on and paying for the class yesterday too. I can forsee the classes I'll be missing already. APS matches.. Florida trip for work.. Ski trip.. wish I didn't have to miss out on class but I have a life and relationship i'd like to maintain.

i'm mainly interesting in the lathe. if i can just learn that i'll be pretty good. i can learn the milling from joe later.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 9:06 AM
joe talked to the professor about our situation. he is totally cool. he is in the cnc class. it's time to make some aluminum stocks, bases, bolt mods, etc.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 9:14 AM
Pete-you've told me before, but I forgot. Where are these classes? And its just on Saturdays, right?

Timberwolf
02-07-2008, 9:16 AM
If you are over the limit on hazmat you can pull mine if it'll help. I have a fresh 5lbs of RE 15 I've not opened yet, though its my last one, but I can wait a month or so if need be. Just let me know.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 9:20 AM
Pete-you've told me before, but I forgot. Where are these classes? And its just on Saturdays, right?

LA valley college. it's like $80. saturdays from 8am-2pm. professor is really nice, and joe has a good relationship with him. he knows what we are up to, and he won't get mad if we miss classes causes he knows it's for our own learning and not for grades.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 9:23 AM
if i really enjoy machining, i'll want to get this lathe.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/16-x-40-3-Phase-Gunsmith-Metal-Lathe/G0509G

if Joe really does good work on the cnc, and designs some good stuff and if one of my investments work out, i might spring for a haas cnc mill which joe might be able to get a huge discount through the professor.

ar15barrels
02-07-2008, 10:59 AM
I don't shoot handguns that much at all anymore :( Need to get back into it but I just don't have the time!

i got tons of .45acp loaded for my 1911, but haven't shot it in months.

Don't get too rusty...
Looks like the bigger sniper matches will have a little pistol in them too. ;)

ar15barrels
02-07-2008, 11:05 AM
if i really enjoy machining, i'll want to get this lathe.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/16-x-40-3-Phase-Gunsmith-Metal-Lathe/G0509G

I would not mind having that machine. :)
In that price range, you should also consider used US or European machines as a nice 80's Clausing is still a better made machine than a 2000's Taiwan machine.
Clausing has variable speed. ;)

ar15barrels
02-07-2008, 11:09 AM
Pete-you've told me before, but I forgot. Where are these classes? And its just on Saturdays, right?

Venice high school has a monday night metal shop class 6pm to 9pm.
$55 gets you through June.
No curriculum, just work on whatever machine you want to learn.
They have everything, lathes, mills, surface grinder, all types of welding, all types of sheetmetal forming etc...

2/3 of the guys in the class are shooters so we end up sitting around talking guns if someone is tying up the machine you want to be using.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 11:19 AM
Venice high school has a monday night metal shop class 6pm to 9pm.
$55 gets you through June.
No curriculum, just work on whatever machine you want to learn.
They have everything, lathes, mills, surface grinder, all types of welding, all types of sheetmetal forming etc...

2/3 of the guys in the class are shooters so we end up sitting around talking guns if someone is tying up the machine you want to be using.

I wish it were closer. I'd be there in a heartbeat. But that would make 4 hours on the road for me every monday night!

wildcard
02-07-2008, 11:22 AM
Venice high school has a monday night metal shop class 6pm to 9pm.
$55 gets you through June.
No curriculum, just work on whatever machine you want to learn.
They have everything, lathes, mills, surface grinder, all types of welding, all types of sheetmetal forming etc...

2/3 of the guys in the class are shooters so we end up sitting around talking guns if someone is tying up the machine you want to be using.

I gots to keep that one in mind.. I'd rather burn up a weekday evening than a weekend. But it's good to get different points of view so maybe in another semester.

ar15barrels
02-07-2008, 11:28 AM
I gots to keep that one in mind.. I'd rather burn up a weekday evening than a weekend. But it's good to get different points of view so maybe in another semester.

This will probably be the last semester it's offered.
The instructor is retiring and there is no planned replacement.

Jicko
02-07-2008, 12:09 PM
RKS:

You PLACED the order right???

1k 155Scenars gone OUT OF STOCK!?!?!?!?


LAPHL70731000 .308 155 HPBT SCENAR (1000) Out of Stock $217.15

rksimple
02-07-2008, 12:29 PM
RKS:

You PLACED the order right???

1k 155Scenars gone OUT OF STOCK!?!?!?!?

Nope. Just calling them to get a shipping price. Guess that kills our scenar order.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 1:24 PM
I would not mind having that machine. :)
In that price range, you should also consider used US or European machines as a nice 80's Clausing is still a better made machine than a 2000's Taiwan machine.
Clausing has variable speed. ;)


good looking out. south bends are just soooo much. what are the other brands?

rksimple
02-07-2008, 1:39 PM
OK, on the group buy, we have the option of waiting on the scenars, or just going for it without the bullets. They'll let me know by tuesday when they expect the scenars in.

Tell me what you want to do.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 1:39 PM
i can wait for you guys. no worries.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 1:46 PM
When they let me know about the scenars, I'll ask about the price. If they up the price on us, Grafs may be a better deal with dealer pricing.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 1:49 PM
I'm in no rush.. so whatever you want to do. Heck.. maybe my bullets will be in-stock by then.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 1:58 PM
When they let me know about the scenars, I'll ask about the price. If they up the price on us, Grafs may be a better deal with dealer pricing.


ask Nayt. graf's didn't register me yet on their c&r list.

Timberwolf
02-07-2008, 2:09 PM
I can wait - no rush here

Prc329
02-07-2008, 2:51 PM
I can wait. I think Graf's was higher for the bullets but cheaper for the powder BUT there is that 3% charge for using credit cards.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 2:57 PM
Sounds good. I guess we'll wait. Hopefully they'll have some SMK's too for those who want them.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 3:18 PM
Thanks for the effort and putting up with the headache of getting this thing together though.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 3:22 PM
Oh, no problem. You guys have made it very straight forward. Whenever things are back in stock, we can redo what we want, get an estimate, send the checks to me, and I'll order it. We all see each other often enough to make it easy to buy in bulk like this.

Cypriss32
02-07-2008, 3:26 PM
I just ordered 1,000 208gr AMAX, Thinking about more and 2,000 162gr AMAX. Dunno.... Gotta see if I can sell these 2 rifles. Then I send my 7mm off to gap and boom! Both 2.0 Folders and Ill just hold off on scopes (use my premier forawhile) untill the Premiers new scope comes out.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 3:45 PM
I just ordered 1,000 208gr AMAX, Thinking about more and 2,000 162gr AMAX. Dunno.... Gotta see if I can sell these 2 rifles. Then I send my 7mm off to gap and boom! Both 2.0 Folders and Ill just hold off on scopes (use my premier forawhile) untill the Premiers new scope comes out.

Thats the ticket. Now you'll only have one system to worry about. I'd go with the 180 bergers on the 7mm though. If you use the 162 amaxes, may as well have a 243 pushin DTAC's. That is, unless, you plan on shooting animals and such. Those 162's kill stuff quick.

Cypriss32
02-07-2008, 5:15 PM
Burgers are way expensive. I prolly will thow. BC on the AMAX is still 626 better then 243 stuff.

Jicko
02-07-2008, 5:29 PM
I can wait. I think Graf's was higher for the bullets but cheaper for the powder BUT there is that 3% charge for using credit cards.

Maybe we can try to price the order out from Grafs. I can do a certified check to them for all of us if that end up being the case.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 6:12 PM
Burgers are way expensive. I prolly will thow. BC on the AMAX is still 626 better then 243 stuff.

But you make up for it in the 3150+ velocity.

Cypriss32
02-07-2008, 6:21 PM
Shall we go 3200 FPS and I kinda like my barrels. Im not super happy with 308 right now. I might as well shoot 260 in my short action. I have an 30-06 to shoot whatever bullets I want threw it. Prolly gona do some 155gr Scenars to see if I like them. Looks Like an GAT, CDI, and Snieder 1-9tw from GA and bedding, Moly (desert Tan) from Randy.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 6:36 PM
Shall we go 3200 FPS and I kinda like my barrels. Im not super happy with 308 right now. I might as well shoot 260 in my short action. I have an 30-06 to shoot whatever bullets I want threw it. Prolly gona do some 155gr Scenars to see if I like them. Looks Like an GAT, CDI, and Snieder 1-9tw from GA and bedding, Moly (desert Tan) from Randy.

You should get the same performance from the 06 with 155 scenars as the 260 with 139's. Go for the 243 or 6x47 in the short action. Maybe 6xc?

Cypriss32
02-07-2008, 7:48 PM
If The cup is 308 only im ****ED! I dunno what to do. I ordered an GAT so that things can kinda stay light weight.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 8:00 PM
If The cup is 308 only im ****ED! I dunno what to do. I ordered an GAT so that things can kinda stay light weight.

Are you going this year? The 308 requirement I thought was just for this year. I got a savage you could use...:rofl2:

Cypriss32
02-07-2008, 8:14 PM
I do too. It should be gona soon. I sold the manners for lots of $$$ and got an Choate stock for free to throw onto it.

Im not going this year. Is it this year only thow?
260 wouldnt be bad shooting 139gr Scenars.

Timberwolf
02-07-2008, 8:16 PM
Rumor has it that the SH Cup is and will remain .308 only.

ar15barrels
02-07-2008, 8:23 PM
Are powder prices going to go up by the time we place the group order?
If so, let's get powder and primers inbound and worry about bullets later...

Cypriss32
02-07-2008, 8:39 PM
It doesnt go up as much as bullets do. Primers go up because there ARE NOT enough to go around and dictate higher prices. Supply and demand. When you buy, buy in tens of thousands.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 8:59 PM
Are powder prices going to go up by the time we place the group order?
If so, let's get powder and primers inbound and worry about bullets later...

This idea makes a lot of sense since the bullets incur their own shipping cost anyways.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 9:01 PM
Burgers are way expensive. I prolly will thow. BC on the AMAX is still 626 better then 243 stuff.

You shoot burgers? Must get some real cheesy fouling to clean out ;)

Timberwolf
02-07-2008, 9:08 PM
You shoot burgers? Must get some real cheesy fouling to clean out ;)

not to mention the mustard and ketchup residue

rksimple
02-07-2008, 9:10 PM
Are powder prices going to go up by the time we place the group order?
If so, let's get powder and primers inbound and worry about bullets later...

Not likely. Varget has been the same price from PV for about 2 years. I don't think powder suffers the same raw materials issues that bullets do. Regardless, I'm going to find out tuesday if theres an ETA on the scenars. If not, or if its going to be a while, we'll get the powder and primers asap. No use waitin' around.

rksimple
02-07-2008, 9:11 PM
Rumor has it that the SH Cup is and will remain .308 only.

If they go that route, they'll probably keep it to provided ammo as well. It will be the great equalizer of matches.

Cypriss32
02-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Ill prolly end up ordering some 180gr VLDS.

Jicko
02-25-2008, 8:36 AM
I dun need the 155Scenar anymore. I've decided to go with 175SMKs.

So here are what I need:
- 2x 5lb RL15
- 1x 1lb RL15
- 1x 1lb VARGET
- 1x 1k BR4
- 1x 1k BR2

rksimple
02-25-2008, 8:49 AM
Sounds good Jicko. I'm calling them now for an ETA on the scenars for others. If its too long a wait, we'll go ahead with the order for now.

rksimple
02-25-2008, 8:51 AM
OK, no word on when the scenars will be in. I'll get this thread updated with what everyone wants and go from there.

rksimple
02-25-2008, 9:12 AM
Having looked at their website and seeing that they're out of WLR primers, Wolf primers, Fed 210M's, Rem BR primers, winchester 308 brass, lapua 308 brass, 155 scenars, etc., I'm inclined to wait. I can wait for powder as long as I can piggyback my brass and primers on it. At this point, I personally don't want to order yet.

wildcard
02-25-2008, 9:16 AM
No rush. My spending is about to get drastically cut.. my 338 Lapua is good to go and i'm ordering the action and getting it done.

Timberwolf
02-25-2008, 9:33 AM
I'm good to go for awhile - still have a fresh five pounder of Re15 not opened and if push comes to shove I have a 5lb unopened jug of Re12 I can switch to.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 10:26 AM
me too. i still got a fresh 5lbs of rl15 and 8lbs of varget. no rush.

mahalo

wildcard
02-25-2008, 10:31 AM
me too. i still got a fresh 5lbs of rl15 and 8lbs of varget. no rush.

mahalo

I'll bite.. what's "mahalo." I'm going to guess it's hawaiian for something..


Just googled it: "Thank you"

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 10:33 AM
back to city life. LA always feels a little strange when i come back from vacation.

rksimple
02-25-2008, 10:37 AM
Welcome back Pete. When PV finally has a decent stock of supplies, we can make an order. I'll keep an eye out.

wildcard
02-25-2008, 10:39 AM
back to city life. LA always feels a little strange when i come back from vacation.

How was your trip?

Just got back from Vegas myself.. it was just what we needed. Now it's back to business as usual. I'm sure my girl would have enjoyed the tail end of it a bit more if we didn't run into one of my college "friends." Actually, I'm going to take off from work pretty soon and just relax a bit more :)

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 10:43 AM
Hawaii was very chill. It's a beautiful place. Everyone is friendly, and life moves slow. Can't wait till I go back.

There are so many places that would be perfect for shooting too. Imagine shooting right near a beach, beautiful mountains and flat pastures.

wildcard
02-25-2008, 10:47 AM
Hawaii was very chill. It's a beautiful place. Everyone is friendly, and life moves slow. Can't wait till I go back.

I've never been.. plan to though. Next trip will be Tahoe in probably March to do some skiing/ boarding. Maybe a 3 day kind of thing. Want to join?

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 10:52 AM
I've never been.. plan to though. Next trip will be Tahoe in probably March to do some skiing/ boarding. Maybe a 3 day kind of thing. Want to join?

Sounds like fun, but I don't think I would be able to make it. :(

It's time to go back in money making mode.

wildcard
02-25-2008, 11:08 AM
Yeah.. but money spending mode is so much more fun :D

Did you get my text? My 338 build is a go!

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 11:16 AM
naw, haven't checked my phone yet. congrats! randy?

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 11:23 AM
I spoke with him last saturday afternoon. He was at his daughter's cheerleading contest. Joe and I ended up chambering and installing a muzzle brake. It sure is alot of work, but it turned out great.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 11:38 AM
Joe and I ended up chambering and installing a muzzle brake. It sure is alot of work, but it turned out great.

How tight was the pilot fitted to the bore?

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 11:50 AM
How tight was the pilot fitted to the bore?

we have special bushings for 30cal bores.

i can lend you my reamer and bushings if you like. do a few barrels, and just pay for a resharpening fee and it's all good. just don't break it.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 11:52 AM
we have special bushings for 30cal bores.

That's a microsoft tech support answer.
Technically correct and absolutely no help.

So again, how tight was the special bushing fitted to the bore?
What did the bore measure?
What did the bushing measure?

wildcard
02-25-2008, 11:54 AM
naw, haven't checked my phone yet. congrats! randy?

Yup yup! Was just letting you know I got hold of him in case you needed to talk to him.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 11:56 AM
So again, how tight was the special bushing fitted to the bore?
What did the bore measure?
What did the bushing measure?

from memory, pretty dam tight. just enough to put the bushing in with a very tight fit, but able to be put into the bore.

the bushing i used was .3006 i believe. i don't remember the rest. joe did all the work. i just bought most of the tooling, and helped out doing small stuff.

wildcard
02-25-2008, 11:56 AM
I spoke with him last saturday afternoon. He was at his daughter's cheerleading contest. Joe and I ended up chambering and installing a muzzle brake. It sure is alot of work, but it turned out great.

Dang.. wish I could have made it out. Let me know when you guys are going to be doing some more work. When is the test firing going to happen?

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Dang.. wish I could have made it out. Let me know when you guys are going to be doing some more work. When is the test firing going to happen?

joe might be on his vacation right now to el savalador. we have a half days work left, and should be ready by like the first week of march.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 12:00 PM
dude it's alot of work chambering a rifle. so much setting up time involved. it's very tidous work.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 12:00 PM
from memory, pretty dam tight. just enough to put the bushing in with a very tight fit, but able to be put into the bore.

Good job.
Carry on.

wildcard
02-25-2008, 12:01 PM
joe might be on his vacation right now to el savalador. we have a half days work left, and should be ready by like the first week of march.

Sweet. That explains why he wasn't at class either! So what's left to be done on the test rifle? The truing/ blueprinting?

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 12:02 PM
dude it's alot of work chambering a rifle. so much setting up time involved. it's very tidous work.

That's why it costs what it does. ;)
Everyone thinks gunsmithing is so profitable because it's expensive.
That's not the case at all.
It's expensive because it takes so long.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 12:03 PM
Sweet. That explains why he wasn't at class either! So what's left to be done on the test rifle? The truing/ blueprinting?

You have to do all the truing and blueprinting before you can chamber.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 12:04 PM
lapping the bolt, facing the bolt, pinning the lug, minor stuff like that. the only thing that won't be done is the final finish. installing the fte badger brake is a major biatch. alot of cuts involved. i know why randy wanted to install the thruster instead on my own build.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 12:07 PM
You have to do all the truing and blueprinting before you can chamber.

the reciever face has to be done at least or it can throw the chamber off. if you don't do it, you may have to push the barrel back again.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 12:08 PM
lapping the bolt, facing the bolt, pinning the lug, minor stuff like that.

Do any of these effect the headspace?

wildcard
02-25-2008, 12:11 PM
Do any of these effect the headspace?

Facing the bolt and possibly pinning the lug.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 12:12 PM
Do any of these effect the headspace?

i'm not sure. joe knows more than i do. but i do know that action was pretty true to begin with. alot better than the one i had on my p. there wasn't alot of odd scrapes on the bolt. a little bit of lapping is all that is needed in this case.

we fitted everything in the action, bolt, lug, and barrel. and tested it with the no and go gauges, so it's good to go.

***most newer 700 actions only need work on the receiver face and bolt. reminington does a pretty good job right out of the factory. problem is when they tighten the barrel, they do it too tight which can tweak it.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 12:15 PM
Facing the bolt and possibly pinning the lug.

Close.
Lapping lugs and facing the bolt both effect headspace enough that you should probably not do them after chambering.
Pinning the lug should NOT effect headspace.

Pete-
I'm only trying to help you learn.
Don't take this questioning as an attack.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 12:17 PM
Close.
Lapping lugs and facing the bolt both effect headspace enough that you should probably not do them after chambering.
Pinning the lug should NOT effect headspace.

Pete-
I'm only trying to help you learn.
Don't take this questioning as an attack.

i know. no offense taken.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 12:20 PM
we fitted everything in the action, bolt, lug, and barrel. and tested it with the no and go gauges, so it's good to go.

Just being between the "go" and "no-go" gauges is not necessarily "good enough" because that's a 0.003" to 0.006" range.
You want to be almost "snug" to the "go" gauge.

Get or make one of the chambering gauges for more accurate measurement, but don't forget to torque the barrel a few times first before chambering to burnish the threads.
If you don't, headspace will tighten up on final asembly.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 12:33 PM
we had a snug fit on the go gauge. i'm not worried about that. i just want to see it shoot well. then i'll be satisfied. i'm going to end up building a 700 5r and a back up action/barrel for myself. i might keep one completely raw with unfinished stainless and alumimum. it'll be completely different from everyone else's setup.

ar15barrels
02-25-2008, 12:37 PM
we had a snug fit on the go gauge. i'm not worried about that.

Lap the lugs then, but don't cut the boltface.

PistolPete75
02-25-2008, 12:39 PM
ya boltface already looked fine. holland recoil lug looks real good. very smooth and perfectly true. probably end up leaving it alone.

Jicko
03-03-2008, 10:13 AM
Guys, count me out of this GB. I'll just start one for "way down south" here. If you guys need something, pls lmk.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=89718

rksimple
03-11-2008, 6:34 AM
PV now has 210m's and 155 scenars in stock. They also have 168 SMKs.

Right now we have, with what everyone has said, we have

Me: 2k scenars, 5lbs RL15, 6k 210m's

Twolf: 5lbs RL15

Adam: 5k 210m's, 5lbs RL22

Jason, you want in on this?

Cypriss32
03-11-2008, 6:48 AM
5 pounds RL22 add that. Should be around 220?

rksimple
03-11-2008, 6:49 AM
Done. Looks like 221.80 plus shipping and hazmat responsibilities.

rksimple
03-11-2008, 8:09 AM
I just want confirmation from everyone that wants something. I can place the order on my cc and get the money from you guys at the match. Send me a pm to confirm what you want. Adam, I got you down already.

wildcard
03-11-2008, 10:49 AM
Gimme a few minutes to remember what I needed. I'll edit this post again.

6LBS RL-25 (5LBS+1LBS)
1000CT CCI#250 Large Rifle Magnum Primers
500CT 168GR SMK

rksimple
03-11-2008, 10:54 AM
Gimme a few minutes to remember what I needed. I'll edit this post again.

You got it. I'll probably order in a half hour or so.

rksimple
03-11-2008, 11:39 AM
Gimme a few minutes to remember what I needed. I'll edit this post again.

6LBS RL-25 (5LBS+1LBS)
1000CT CCI#250 Large Rifle Magnum Primers
500CT 168GR SMK

OK, got it. I'll put it all on my card and you guys can just pay me when I see you and you get your stuff.

wildcard
03-11-2008, 11:50 AM
Sounds good. Thanks Ryan.

rksimple
03-11-2008, 11:51 AM
OK. Order's in. Now we wait.

Cypriss32
03-11-2008, 3:26 PM
Allright ive got stuff to last me for awhile. 20,000 Primers!

PistolPete75
03-11-2008, 8:58 PM
20k primers!

that is enough to last you for awhile.

my poor *** have to stretch what i currently got.

Cypriss32
03-11-2008, 9:11 PM
20,000 is weak, I want 10,000 of each for life!

rksimple
03-12-2008, 6:10 AM
20,000 is weak, I want 10,000 of each for life!

Now the question is, do you have enough powder and projectiles to match?

wildcard
03-12-2008, 6:16 AM
Now the question is, do you have enough powder and projectiles to match?

Haha.. That would probably come out to about 10K in components!

rksimple
03-12-2008, 6:26 AM
Haha.. That would probably come out to about 10K in components!

I guess if you pick and choose your deals, it can be done. I have about 13k 55 and 62 gr .223 bullets I got for about $30/k. I wish I'd have bought more. Match ammo components get expensive in a hurry. After the PV order arrives, I'll have 4k scenars, but I need more brass to put them in!

PistolPete75
03-12-2008, 12:16 PM
210m can always be sold at a slight profit though. too much of them is not an issue.

rksimple
03-12-2008, 7:51 PM
OK, I got the invoice. Looks like 58.45 for shipping, insurance, and hazmat. We'll split it up according to how much we all got.

Cypriss32
03-12-2008, 8:32 PM
What was the outcome for the order?

rksimple
03-12-2008, 9:05 PM
Me: 2k scenars, 7k 210m's

Adam: 5lbs rl22, 5k 210m's

Bill: 5lbs rl15

Jason: 6lbs rl25, 1k cci #250, 500 168 SMK's

ar15barrels
03-12-2008, 10:21 PM
Me: 2k scenars, 7k 210m's

Adam: 5lbs rl22, 5k 210m's

Bill: 5lbs rl15

Jason: 6lbs rl25, 1k cci #250, 500 168 SMK's

No powder for me?

rksimple
03-13-2008, 6:24 AM
No powder for me?

Didn't know you wanted any. I even checked to make sure you had been online since I updated the thread. I just wanted confirmation from everyone first. We made it quick so they didn't sell out of 210m's and scenars. They're already out of scenars again.

ETA: They're out of 210m's as well! One day since we ordered and they're gone!

ar15barrels
03-13-2008, 7:47 AM
Didn't know you wanted any.

My order was safely on the 1st post before you edited it. ;)

rksimple
03-13-2008, 7:57 AM
My order was safely on the 1st post before you edited it. ;)

So was Jicko's, but he went in on another GB. So did masterkwan, who was originally on our GB. I didn't get confirmation so I went ahead. Lucky we did or there'd be no scenars or 210m's. Sorry. Didn't mean to leave you out, but didn't want to get stuck with stuff that you already may have ordered.

I'll probably place an order again for brass when the winny 308 gets in stock, and I'm sure others will order too.

PistolPete75
03-13-2008, 8:53 AM
i heard the 210m are sold out.

rksimple
03-13-2008, 9:07 AM
i heard the 210m are sold out.

Yep. We got 'em just in time.

rksimple
03-21-2008, 7:16 PM
Here's the breakdown:

They shipped my 2k scenars separately and charged $12 for that. I just deducted $12 from the total shipping. Comes out to 20 for hazmat and 26.50 for shipping and insurance. We can count each thousand primers as a pound of powder for averaging purposes. For simplicity, we could split the hazmat straight up between the 4 of us, and go by poundage for the rest.

So for shipping:

Me: 5lbs RL15, 6k 210m's (11 lbs) 11/45= ~25%= $6.62+$5 hazmat=$11.62

Jason: 6lbs RL25, 1k primers, 500 SMK's (19 lbs) 19/45= ~42%=$11.13+ $5=$16.13

Adam: 5k 210m's, 5lbs RL22 (10 lbs) 10/45= ~22%=$5.89+$5=$10.89

Bill: 5lbs RL15 (5lbs) 5/45=~11%=$2.94+$5=$7.94

That brings totals to:

Jason: 240.56+16.13=256.69

Adam: 221.80+10.89=232.69

Bill: 76.80+7.94=84.74

Just bring either a check or cash tomorrow to the match. See ya there.

PistolPete75
03-21-2008, 7:21 PM
so how did your shooting go today?

Cypriss32
03-21-2008, 7:32 PM
Just got home from shooting. 15 out of 18 at 715 today, Not bad not bad. Taking the girls (yes girls) out again on tues.

rksimple
03-21-2008, 8:18 PM
so how did your shooting go today?

Pretty good. It was windy and the sun was going down. Everything was .75 MOA or under at 100. I chronoed them at 2825, but my results at 400 didn't match the chart. I think the sun may have been a bit too low to get an accurate reading. Tomorrow is going to be more of a practice and dope gathering day than anything. I had to adjust the trigger a bit to my liking, and I'm still getting used to it. I'm going to dry fire a bit in my room tonight. Getting used to the CW turrets will take a little while too. But it'll shoot. Its super smooth, accurate, and doesn't have the weak ejection I'm used to. When I'm running the bolt fast, I don't have to worry about a case not ejecting or getting stuck. The scope is flat amazing. Awesome clarity. Just wish it had a GAP reticle!

Timberwolf
03-21-2008, 9:14 PM
Did the final run through on a couple of new COFs for tomorrow - y'all are going to either love me or hate me. If you object to getting dirty or getting those new firesticks dirty well . . . you can watch. There will be some precision, in the dirt of course, some tactical, in the dirt of course. Advice with bring a long sleeve shirt or wear elbow pads and gloves would be a good idea in at least one stage.

I'll be there between 6:30 and 7:00 to finish setting up and once signed in anyone who need to zero can. Just remeber the line will go hot at 7:30.

rksimple
03-21-2008, 9:28 PM
Did the final run through on a couple of new COFs for tomorrow - y'all are going to either love me or hate me. If you object to getting dirty or getting those new firesticks dirty well . . . you can watch. There will be some precision, in the dirt of course, some tactical, in the dirt of course. Advice with bring a long sleeve shirt or wear elbow pads and gloves would be a good idea in at least one stage.

I'll be there between 6:30 and 7:00 to finish setting up and once signed in anyone who need to zero can. Just remeber the line will go hot at 7:30.

So you're going to make me get some scratches on my new S&B? :D I guess as long as I don't have to drag it through the dirt...

Timberwolf
03-21-2008, 10:09 PM
So you're going to make me get some scratches on my new S&B? :D I guess as long as I don't have to drag it through the dirt...

Does low crawl count as dragging through the dirt - guess not if you do it properly LOL

ar15barrels
03-21-2008, 10:26 PM
So you're going to make me get some scratches on my new S&B? :D I guess as long as I don't have to drag it through the dirt...

Just close the caps first. ;)