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jeff1776
11-18-2013, 8:10 PM
Just bought this savage model 10 chambered in 22-250 sitting in a choate ultimate sniper stock.....
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h20/yankeeSOB/78019778-6A8F-4C79-811F-45B7B3A0B399-884-0000011EDD534F6D_zpsa7fc82a0.jpg

I couldn't be happier with it. Here's a 5 round group at 100yds....
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h20/yankeeSOB/A9A72D8B-7D73-41E4-9853-D817FA6521B0-884-000001254D41B47C_zps7c746d7f.jpg

It does have a problem cycling rounds though. By that I mean, the bolt does not alway pick up the next round and chamber it. The magazine seems to long for the 22-250 rounds. If you load 4 rounds into it, they seem to slip backward and by the time you get to the forth (sometimes 3rd) round they are back to far for the bolt to grab them. Here's the best pic I could get of the rounds in the magazine....
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h20/yankeeSOB/A93F9F34-82A7-4770-A512-E56AAF0B4134-884-0000012EEB156BE9_zps81690c16.jpg

Any ideas???????????????

LovingTheYear1911
11-19-2013, 5:15 AM
It may be an issue with the stock. I used to have a choate on mine and the mag was too loose in the stock. I had to use cloth to stuff ut in the stock. The mag wasnt properly seated. I bet its your stock.

jp1911
11-19-2013, 5:42 AM
I agree with Bernard check the stock. with mag seated see if you have any movement up or down. It should be solid or very little movement.

Are you cycling the bolt slow or fast. I have found with mine going slow can cause this problem. I'm not talking about super fast, just a normal rate. To slow can cause it to drag the next round.

jeff1776
11-19-2013, 5:44 AM
It may be an issue with the stock. I used to have a choate on mine and the mag was too loose in the stock. I had to use cloth to stuff ut in the stock. The mag wasnt properly seated. I bet its your stock.

I tried to check that. Reaching into the action I can't move the magazine at all. I tightened the bolts that hold the action in as well. It's the space behind the case in the magazine that seems to be the issue. I'll revisit the mag tightness tonight though.

toby
11-19-2013, 6:09 AM
I would change out the stock.

joelogic
11-19-2013, 6:25 AM
This happens on my stock 10FCPK in .308 sometimes. I have to consciously pull the bolt as far back as it will go and smoothly push it forward. It helps when I makes sure the rounds are as rearward as possible when loading the mag.

MongooseV8
11-19-2013, 9:06 AM
Looks like you have a centerfeed action. The magazine should be wedged into the stock and since you have a choate stock my guess is the magwell area was cut too deep. I would take off the stock and see if you can pull the magazine box upwards a touch.

Bastard
11-19-2013, 9:36 AM
it is broken - I'll give you $20 for it ;)

in all seriousness, it looks like the mag is sitting to low in the stock - take the stock off and play with the magazine, you may have to block the bottom of it to get it to stay all the way up.

jlmurphy
11-19-2013, 9:39 AM
The problem is that the rounds pivot on the magazine follower. You can bend the spring so that it applies more rear lift, also check that the internal surfaces inside the magazine are polished and lubed, if the case head catches on the rear they won't feed.

CptDan
11-19-2013, 10:19 AM
My 223 varmint does the same thing with my Choate Stock.

jeff1776
11-19-2013, 10:48 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I'll see how much room I have to move the magazine up. I cleaned and polished the inside up quick like. I also stretched the spring out to see if that would help. I may buy a new spring and follower just to cross that off the list. There's atleast a 1/2" gap between the back of the magazine and shoulder of the case (see pic) does that seem excessive?
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h20/yankeeSOB/A93F9F34-82A7-4770-A512-E56AAF0B4134-884-0000012EEB156BE9_zps81690c16.jpg

jlmurphy
11-19-2013, 12:38 PM
I have a long action Win. Model 70 that I shoot 6.5X55 Swedish with, the loaded rounds were 1/2" shorter than the blind magazine. I shortened the follower and placed a synthetic 3/8" block at the rear of the magazine. No more feeding issues.

jeff1776
11-19-2013, 1:14 PM
I have a long action Win. Model 70 that I shoot 6.5X55 Swedish with, the loaded rounds were 1/2" shorter than the blind magazine. I shortened the follower and placed a synthetic 3/8" block at the rear of the magazine. No more feeding issues.

I thought about doing that. I was worried the spacer would interfere with the spring. I guess I'll revisit that tonight too.

jeff1776
11-19-2013, 3:28 PM
ok, here's an update. the magazine is not lose. there is no movement at all, side to side or up and down. next up i looked at the clearance between the bottom of the bolt and the top of the magazine. it's got about 1/16" of clearance (see pic)...
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h20/yankeeSOB/D6F1D940-9CD7-479A-A73A-02E303FB3C52-1297-000001949E8EDF09_zpsb77a4678.jpg (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/yankeeSOB/media/D6F1D940-9CD7-479A-A73A-02E303FB3C52-1297-000001949E8EDF09_zpsb77a4678.jpg.html)

i guess i'm back to getting a new mag spring and follower, and maybe modifying the follower to shorten the internal dimension of the mag.

Fjold
11-19-2013, 4:20 PM
The magazine box is built for a 308 based cartridge loaded with up to 200 gain bullets so it will be close to 1/2" longer than the 22.250 loaded with 50-55 grain bullets.

I have a 22.250 that is built on an old, 110 J action (longer than the 10 action) but I haven't had any issues with it feeding like that.

jeff1776
11-19-2013, 9:21 PM
The magazine box is built for a 308 based cartridge loaded with up to 200 gain bullets so it will be close to 1/2" longer than the 22.250 loaded with 50-55 grain bullets.

I have a 22.250 that is built on an old, 110 J action (longer than the 10 action) but I haven't had any issues with it feeding like that.

The more responses I get here, and the more I rule things out, I think I need to order a new spring and follower. If that doesn't fix it I'll try modifying the follower and adding a block in the rear. From what I can tell it's just the savage magazine with the floor plate removed so getting a spring and follower should be easy.

ar15barrels
11-19-2013, 11:13 PM
I would make a spacer to fill the excess magazine box and then shorten the follower and re-locate the spring forward if needed so that the spring sits properly under the follower and towards the rear of the cartridge cases.
Remington 223 factory fixed magazine boxes are setup that way.

Bastard
11-20-2013, 9:52 AM
From what I can tell it's just the savage magazine with the floor plate removed

it has been a while since I had my Savage apart but don't remember there being a floor plate, I think that it just sits on the stock.

jeff1776
11-20-2013, 10:16 AM
Yup, sure does. I finally got around to checking the scimatic on line. It just sets into the stock and has a "keeper" at the back that holds it in place when the action is bolted on. Has anyone used a single shot follower like this...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/301807/score-high-bench-rest-single-shot-follower-savage-long-or-short-action-22-250-remington-243-winchester-308-winchester-aluminum?cm_cat=Cart&cm_pla=ProductDesc

it has been a while since I had my Savage apart but don't remember there being a floor plate, I think that it just sits on the stock.

MongooseV8
11-20-2013, 11:02 AM
I can tell you right now a new spring and follower will not fix your problem. Like we already mentioned your magazine box is sitting too low in the stock and needs to raised a smidgen.

jeff1776
11-21-2013, 4:16 AM
I can tell you right now a new spring and follower will not fix your problem. Like we already mentioned your magazine box is sitting too low in the stock and needs to raised a smidgen.

I stand corrected. Thanks mongoose (and everyone else). Last night I pulled the action out again. While "stretching" the follower spring out a bit I noticed that the clip that locates the magazine box and gets sandwiched between the stock and action was opened more than 90*. I bent it a tiny bit so it was at 90, replaced action, and loaded 4 rounds. It cycled them no problem. I repeated that 4 or 5 times with no problem. Hopefully that did the trick! Gotta get out and fire it to be sure I think. Thanks again for all the input.

MongooseV8
11-21-2013, 6:22 AM
Woohoo! I love it when a plan comes together!