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wildcard
02-04-2008, 11:43 AM
Feel like doing some long range. Anyone up for a desert shoot this Sunday at the site of our class?

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 11:49 AM
i'm down for sunday.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 11:49 AM
Might make it in the afternoon.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 11:55 AM
Afternoon sound good to you too, Peter? I'm guessing the morning is no good for you anyways. I got my new spring loaded target I'd like to break in with you guys :) It costed enough.. so lets use it!

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 12:02 PM
let's go hit that steel. joe will probably make some more too.

Timberwolf
02-04-2008, 12:34 PM
unless I'm working the aft is better for me - that way I can take the CEO to Mass and brunch

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 1:54 PM
Sunday is good if the weather agrees. :)
I picked up a Kestrel 4000 to play with.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 2:01 PM
Sunday is good if the weather agrees. :)


Got about 6-7 inches of snow overnight. It may be sloppy out there. Hopefully we have some warm days between now and then.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 2:03 PM
Bring your semi-autos out too.. lets have some fun with that Chevy truck sitting out there :)

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 2:04 PM
Bring your semi-autos out too.. lets have some fun with that Chevy truck sitting out there :)

How about a 50bmg?
All I have are AP bullets though so probably best not to shoot your steel plates. ;)

rksimple
02-04-2008, 2:06 PM
How about a 50bmg?


That'll be the ultimate test for the LV target...not mine though! Jason-did you get the 3/8" one?

wildcard
02-04-2008, 2:12 PM
That'll be the ultimate test for the LV target...not mine though! Jason-did you get the 3/8" one?

I got the .5" 10X17 spring loaded.

This reminds me.. I don't have any more 168 SMK.. I have to dip into my 200 reserve. Either that or I start burning through my M61 bullets..

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 2:39 PM
i know, my own supply is dimishing very quickly.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 2:43 PM
I ordered some on the SH Sierra group buy.. not sure when they're coming in though. I'm going to have to make my last 230 last! Time to start playing with the .22 on the weekends instead.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 2:47 PM
slap that match barrel on your 10/22

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 2:47 PM
i need the real estate market to burn and crash completely, so it can be built up again. i think it's going to take another 2 years till it turns around.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 2:49 PM
slap that match barrel on your 10/22

Already have a match barrel on there :) I might do a fully custom light build on the new one in the future.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 2:54 PM
sweet.

hypertex
02-04-2008, 8:27 PM
I was at the ASR reloading shop on Friday and they had 168 SMK's but no 175's. I believe there was a box of 500 and several 100's.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 8:30 PM
I was at the ASR reloading shop on Friday and they had 168 SMK's but no 175's. I believe there was a box of 500 and several 100's.

It's not a matter of finding them.. it's just the overall cost of shooting nowadays. Not saying I can't afford it.. just can't do it at the same frequency nor quantity I used to.

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 8:40 PM
Shoot the 155gr Lapuas, Im gona order 1k of them today.

PV sight is down!!!

rksimple
02-04-2008, 8:49 PM
Shoot the 155gr Lapuas, Im gona order 1k of them today.

PV sight is down!!!

I'm down for 1K. Let me know if you want me to send you a check. Are you ordering any powder?

Jason-with the cost of the 168smk's, you could be shooting the 155's for a little less and get better performance. Powder valley still has them at $217/k I think. Their website no worky right now.

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 8:53 PM
Errr Im looking into grafs. We can get 6% off with orders over 1200.00 horandy and seirras.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 8:58 PM
i would be in for the group buy too. let me know where you guys are buying from.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 8:59 PM
I only shoot scenars for the time being. I think powder valley still beats them all for shipped price. I'll call tomorrow.

ETA: Adam-I ordered the 5-25 PMII today. PR still has a few 3-12's left. $2279

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:04 PM
I only shoot scenars for the time being. I think powder valley still beats them all for shipped price. I'll call tomorrow.

ETA: Adam-I ordered the 5-25 PMII today. PR still has a few 3-12's left. $2279

nice buy. that scope is going to be sweet.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:05 PM
i'll in for (2) 5lbs of RL15. looks like i'll be sticking with 168noslers for now. it's priced too well for me to switch over to 155scenars.

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 9:05 PM
Omg.........im so motivated! I gotta get my 2.0 here and Get it opened up for the lug then we are ready. I got an SS scope for the time being for my savalged savage and it wont focus. ****ing SWFA doesnt return emails or calls. Im kinda disapointed with there service. How do you guys want to do the bullets. Call powder valley and see if we can get a bulk discount. I cant do the order. Im gona be maxing out my CC tommarrow with school books..... I got cash, Lots of it thow.

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 9:06 PM
I can use:
2K 210 standered Primers
5 pounds of Rl22
1k of 155gr Scenars
All instock at PV!

rksimple
02-04-2008, 9:10 PM
I'll go for 1k 155 scenars and 10lbs of RL15 to try out. Oh, and 1k of fed 210's.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:10 PM
Adam

I actually got 1k of 155scenars, brand new in box. i'll trade you for (3) 5lbs of rl15?

Timberwolf
02-04-2008, 9:12 PM
Le me know whenever y'all decide on a bulk purchase from PV - I'm in need of RE15, possibly some I4895 and even some boolits

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 9:15 PM
Someone needs this before I get it!
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=466691#Post466691

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:16 PM
i would only get a mark 4. others are known to fall apart under recoil.

used mark 4 are going for around $850.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 9:18 PM
But thats FFP done up by PR. No way to get them with a gen2 like that now.

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 9:18 PM
Pete, Ive had like 6 of them, Never any problems. That is a premier gen2 FFP scope......... DUH! No brainer!

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:23 PM
i would still prefer a mark 4, but that is your choice. there must be a difference in construction besides the recticle and turrets.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 9:26 PM
Hey Pete-where you gettin the 168 Noslers from?

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:28 PM
midway usa. dealer only has like $5 off, but it's still a good deal. noslers shoots very well out of the rock barrel. i have a strange feeling, i'm getting like 2750fps with good accuracy which is kindav of wierd for 168s. hey if it works, don't fix it.

i've been throwing like 500 rounds per month. at this rate, it'll be too much to shoot 155scenars. i rather just stick with this load, and keep my current load which i am very happy with. i've brought down the charge to 42.5grains of rl15 at 2.815oal and it's shooting well.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 9:39 PM
midway usa. dealer only has like $5 off, but it's still a good deal. noslers shoots very well out of the rock barrel. i have a strange feeling, i'm getting like 2750fps with good accuracy which is kindav of wierd for 168s. hey if it works, don't fix it.

i've been throwing like 500 rounds per month. at this rate, it'll be too much to shoot 155scenars. i rather just stick with this load, and keep my current load which i am very happy with. i've brought down the charge to 42.5grains of rl15 at 2.815oal and it's shooting well.

I was thinking about those for off hand and close range (under 600 yard) practice. I have 800 of the 168 amaxes that I got for $11/100 to go through first. But they have my eye.

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 9:41 PM
Were the HECK did you get AMAX for that PRICE! Hows my Shooting rest coming ryan?

wildcard
02-04-2008, 9:44 PM
Hehe.. let me know. I'd be in for 500 - 1000 bullets of some sort :)

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:45 PM
I was thinking about those for off hand and close range (under 600 yard) practice. I have 800 of the 168 amaxes that I got for $11/100 to go through first. But they have my eye.


yep those amaxes were the deal of '07. i was too late on those.

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 9:47 PM
I saw there were 162gr AMAX for 13.00 at midwayusa.com
I was gona buy 5,000 of them but I wasnt shure if the 7mm was gona go threw!

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 9:47 PM
Hehe.. let me know. I'd be in for 500 - 1000 bullets of some sort :)


the amount you've been shooting, might as well buy some more bullets and powder. what's your round count on your barrel? i bet it'll be toast by the end of the year.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 9:49 PM
Were the HECK did you get AMAX for that PRICE! Hows my Shooting rest coming ryan?

You mean mat? I have the mat, blast mat, and a matching rear bag. You want 'em?

Jason-you mentioned wanting just a mat with no padding, right. You still want it?

Cypriss32
02-04-2008, 9:50 PM
I think when I get the DMR 1-4 scope i got ordered tonight, I will be shooting alot of 223 again. We run around by my house and shoot rabbits and random little critters all the time! Yes I still want it ALL! Im jsut waiting for you.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 9:53 PM
Sounds good. I have it here. I can ship it or bring it to the next match.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 9:56 PM
the amount you've been shooting, might as well buy some more bullets and powder. what's your round count on your barrel? i bet it'll be toast by the end of the year.

I'm probably at about 2.5K right now. Got a bit of life to go. And after that.. I got your factory barrel to burn. My shooting is going to slow down. Just want to make my rounds count and do well competitively this year. I started getting sloppy when all I wanted to do was throw bullets down range. I'll be going 300WM by the end of the year.

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 9:59 PM
Someone needs this before I get it!
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=466691#Post466691

Done.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 9:59 PM
You mean mat? I have the mat, blast mat, and a matching rear bag. You want 'em?

Jason-you mentioned wanting just a mat with no padding, right. You still want it?

Hmm.. I want it cause it's just so neat and pretty.. but I think i'll stick with my minimalist ways. I don't do well with change. I'll be sure to let you know when I decide to accessorize though :)

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 10:01 PM
i would only get a mark 4. others are known to fall apart under recoil.

Vari-XIII LR/T's BECAME the MkIV's when the MkIV line got expanded to more than 2 models.
Same construction inside, just models getting moved to the MkIV name from the Vari-XIII name.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 10:02 PM
Hmm.. I want it cause it's just so neat and pretty.. but I think i'll stick with my minimalist ways. I don't do well with change. I'll be sure to let you know when I decide to accessorize though :)

Well, with my wife being pregnant and all with number 2, I'm finishing up the last of what everyone wants and am going to hang up the hat for a little while.

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 10:03 PM
I saw there were 162gr AMAX for 13.00 at midwayusa.com

I bought a bunch of the 7mm Amax for $13 as well.
Still have not finished the 7mag build that I'm doing to use them up with...

wildcard
02-04-2008, 10:05 PM
Well, with my wife being pregnant and all with number 2, I'm finishing up the last of what everyone wants and am going to hang up the hat for a little while.

Congrats on number 2! Now you must get in some extra shooting sessions as I can see your time being rather monopolized pretty soon.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 10:06 PM
Well, with my wife being pregnant and all with number 2, I'm finishing up the last of what everyone wants and am going to hang up the hat for a little while.

congrats! wow, #2.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 10:06 PM
Congrats on number 2! Now you must get in some extra shooting sessions as I can see your time being rather monopolized pretty soon.

Thanks guys. Luckily, we have both sets of grandparents within a few miles so babysitters are close. She'll let me have a few hours every saturday...I hope.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 10:08 PM
I bought a bunch of the 7mm Amax for $13 as well.
Still have not finished the 7mag build that I'm doing to use them up with...

you are the mother of all gun encyclopedias. :)

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 10:10 PM
Thanks guys. Luckily, we have both sets of grandparents within a few miles so babysitters are close. She'll let me have a few hours every saturday...I hope.


that #2 will definitely change the family dynamics again. better get your shooting in before the 3rd trimester. i have a feeling we won't be seeing you after that for awhile.

grandparents are definitely a huge bonus. best babysitters in the world.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 10:11 PM
grandparents are definitely a huge bonus. best babysitters in the world.

Loving and FREE.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 10:14 PM
My wife is quite the protective mother. She will more than likely say "go ahead" when matches are on. She enjoys being a mom and takes it very seriously. I may not be out there a couple weeks after delivery, but after that, I should be good.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 10:15 PM
Loving and FREE.

yes, technically. but it's only right to give them something. it's alot of work taking care of a baby.

in terms of love, yes grandparents love their grandkids so much.

wildcard
02-04-2008, 10:16 PM
We definitely need to all go shooting this Sunday now :)

wildcard
02-04-2008, 10:18 PM
yes, technically. but it's only right to give them something. it's alot of work taking care of a baby.

in terms of love, yes grandparents love their grandkids so much.

They already get something :) I'm just saying it beats paying a stranger. Not that I know..

rksimple
02-04-2008, 10:19 PM
I have about 60 rounds left neck sized for the savage. After those are gone, I won't be loading any more for it. This weekend is as good a time as any.

PistolPete75
02-04-2008, 10:20 PM
My wife is quite the protective mother. She will more than likely say "go ahead" when matches are on. She enjoys being a mom and takes it very seriously. I may not be out there a couple weeks after delivery, but after that, I should be good.

your a lucky man. my wife likes me around for mental support. she feels safer with me home. i really don't do much when i'm home except i help clean alot now, but i think it just makes her feel better. a few hours here and there is all i really get now, and going to the gym on weeknights. that's about it for me.

anyways, goodnight.

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 10:22 PM
So if someone is going to organize a PV group buy, I'd be in for some single pound cans of RL15, VV N560, Ramshot Tac and Ramshot Magnum to experiment with.

rksimple
02-04-2008, 10:24 PM
Randall-have you been using varget in 308? Have you been getting higher ES's? Thats my motivation to switch to RL15. I don't think I'm the only one.

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 10:30 PM
Yes to varget.
Yes to high ES.
That's my motivation to try RL15 per Bill's recommendation.
Also want to try Tac as it's cheaper and velocity performance falls between the two other powders.
I also want to try H335 as I have a bunch of it here for loading 223...


Cartridge : .308 Win.
Bullet : .308, 155, Lapua Scenar GB491
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-15 104.3 47.3 3.06 2952 98.9 60000 8287 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC 97.1 46.2 2.99 2918 99.8 60000 7797 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 93.5 46.1 2.99 2917 100.0 60000 7632 1.160 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET 100.8 45.9 2.98 2896 99.2 60000 7771 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

rksimple
02-04-2008, 10:32 PM
Tac is also more temperature sensitive, if that bothers you.

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 10:34 PM
Tac is also more temperature sensitive, if that bothers you.

How does RL15 compare to Varget in temp sensetivity?

rksimple
02-04-2008, 10:36 PM
Close to the same from what I've gathered. Those two powders are used by probably 80-90% of the tac/precision guys.

ar15barrels
02-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Close to the same from what I've gathered. Those two powders are used by probably 80-90% of the tac/precision guys.

The funny thing is that even though my chrono shows the ES, my groups don't show vertical stringing I would expect to see.
Something is odd because I was seeing over 80fps in 5 shot strings.
I probably need to shoot some 600yd paper over a chrono to see it and decide if it really matters or not.

Cypriss32
02-05-2008, 6:54 AM
Congrats Ryan on #2, S&B and R&D its gone be a good year!

Randall if you dont like the leupy call or Pm me Ill take it off your hands.

Prc329
02-05-2008, 7:40 AM
Well, with my wife being pregnant and all with number 2, I'm finishing up the last of what everyone wants and am going to hang up the hat for a little while.

Now the fun really begins. My day for myself doesn't start till both kids are sleep so around 9:30ish. That usually means homework and helping the wife do what is quiet to get done around the house. When I get to reload it doesn't happen till 10-11 at night.

I wouldn't change anything. My 2 year old daughter and my 10 month old son make the world a much better place for me, especially when they give you a smile or my daughter says she loves me.

Plus I still get to play with my toys at least once a week.

ar15barrels
02-05-2008, 8:47 AM
Plus I still get to play with my toys at least once a week.

Desert shoot sunday?

Prc329
02-05-2008, 8:55 AM
I don't think I'll have a rifle to shoot. Will probably be in pieces by then.

Oh and I meant once a month :D

pottymouth310
02-05-2008, 9:20 AM
Yea, I would like to come out too....?
where is this?

PistolPete75
02-05-2008, 9:26 AM
the es for imr 4064 with br2 primers are about 20-30fps.

PistolPete75
02-05-2008, 9:32 AM
it's about 15 minutes north of lancaster. i don't have directions but others do.

wildcard
02-05-2008, 9:32 AM
the es for imr 4064 with br2 primers are about 20-30fps.

Ahh.. my choice load.

wildcard
02-05-2008, 9:35 AM
Yea, I would like to come out too....?
where is this?

Wish I could tell you.. but all I do is track back visually with my GPS.

Prc329
02-06-2008, 8:20 PM
So is it going to be APS on Saturday morning for a little Buff Banging (sounds so dirty), desert on sunday or both? I can do sat but not sunday.

rksimple
02-06-2008, 8:32 PM
I'm not sure about sat yet. Sunday is a go.

wildcard
02-06-2008, 8:50 PM
I'm a go for Sunday. About what time were you guys thinking?

rksimple
02-06-2008, 9:05 PM
I'll probably make it out by 2 or so.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 9:52 AM
sounds like a good time.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 10:01 AM
sounds like a good time.

Want to carpool up to Joe's with me (just don't get me lost with no gas again ;)) if he has a vehicle we can take to the dirt? Or if you're taking the CRV, mind if I hitch a ride?

rksimple
02-07-2008, 10:16 AM
Jason-if you can't hitch a ride, you could always park just off of the road and jump in my ride when I get there.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 10:17 AM
Jason-if you can't hitch a ride, you could always park just off of the road and jump in my ride when I get there.

That sounds like a plan too but just trying to save a gallon or two of gas between beter and I :)

Timberwolf
02-07-2008, 10:22 AM
I just got word that I'm working Sat at APS but I should be a go for Sunday afternoon (I'll just go to the 8:30 Mass). If y'all want to meet at the park n ride in Palmdale we can go up in my X-Terra - I'll need to follow someone anyway as I'm not really sure where we turned off of 90th and damn sure don'tremember all the twists and turns once we get in there as we kinda went a few heres and theres going in last time.

Prc329
02-07-2008, 10:25 AM
I won't have a rifle so I'll have to do the next one. Kill some steel for me fellas. No way I'm trying to shoot 800 yards off hand with irons right now :) Maybe I should reconsider scoping my M14.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 10:37 AM
That sounds like a plan too but just trying to save a gallon or two of gas between beter and I :)

know what you mean. i should have bought a prius.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 11:47 AM
Woohoo.. will be getting my AICS 2.0 soon. $975 Shipped.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 11:50 AM
good price. when you get it, take the skin off and have joe take some measurements off that stock if you don't mind before sending it off to Randy.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 11:58 AM
good price. when you get it, take the skin off and have joe take some measurements off that stock if you don't mind before sending it off to Randy.

No problem. Just know that it's for Long Action. But you already knew that since you have the Short Action and would otherwise have no need for mine. It'll be awhile before it gets sent off to Randy.. have to wait for a Stiller TAC338 Action. I don't expect things to be done for at least 6 months. All I've done is sent a email to Randy after speaking to him for an official quote so I can pay the 50% deposit. Wonder how long it'll take him to respond.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 12:00 PM
i'll be seeing him soon in the next two weeks. i'll ask him to hook you up or at least get your rifle done. or wait, you still need your barrel too right? that's going to take awhile. have a feeling it's going to be a few months.

Timberwolf
02-07-2008, 12:01 PM
. Wonder how long it'll take him to respond.

He's back from SHOT - I was just conversing with him via email two nights ago

wildcard
02-07-2008, 12:07 PM
i'll be seeing him soon in the next two weeks. i'll ask him to hook you up or at least get your rifle done. or wait, you still need your barrel too right? that's going to take awhile. have a feeling it's going to be a few months.

Well the first step is just to get the action odered with Stiller which will take quite a few months to receive.. so if you get get that hooked up for me and fast track it.. I'd be ever so grateful.

I spoke with him yesterday and he actually won't be accepting new work until March/ April. He's letting my project slip through because he knows it'll take a while to get the action once it's ordered. I just don't want my email to get lost in the shuffle.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 12:09 PM
Well the first step is just to get the action odered with Stiller which will take quite a few months to receive.. so if you get get that hooked up for me and fast track it.. I'd be ever so grateful.

I spoke with him yesterday and he actually won't be accepting new work until March/ April. He's letting my project slip through because he knows it'll take a while to get the action once it's ordered. I just don't want my email to get lost in the shuffle.

i don't know if i can get you the action. that's on stiller. if your using a 700 la, that's another story.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 12:12 PM
i just need some time to get off, and go to Randy's place. i also need to get Joe out of his office and take him with me, so we can learn to chamber the barrel correctly, the first time. Randy is nice enough to help us out. Hopefully we can prove to him that we can do the work, and mayby get some work from him as subcontractors. that's my goal for now.

i've got alot of time and a chunk of change invested already. we'll see where it takes us. the first rifle will be my confidence booster.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 12:17 PM
i don't know if i can get you the action. that's on stiller. if your using a 700 la, that's another story.

I just meant if you could remind him that the order exists so he could get it ordered, that would be great.

If you could sub-contract, that would be sweet. Can I be you apprentice? :)

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 12:23 PM
I just meant if you could remind him that the order exists so he could get it ordered, that would be great.

If you could sub-contract, that would be sweet. Can I be you apprentice? :)

apprentice, whatever. i'm still trying to get a real apprentice position right now. buy yeah, we can do the projects together. it'll be fun.

but yeah, i'll remind him of your project when i see him. it is hard to get in contact with him sometimes. you just have to be persistant with him.

ar15barrels
02-07-2008, 12:23 PM
I won't have a rifle so I'll have to do the next one. Kill some steel for me fellas. No way I'm trying to shoot 800 yards off hand with irons right now :) Maybe I should reconsider scoping my M14.

I have my mcmillan stocked 243 sitting here idle if you want to play with it...

wildcard
02-07-2008, 12:27 PM
apprentice, whatever. i'm still trying to get a real apprentice position right now. buy yeah, we can do the projects together. it'll be fun.

but yeah, i'll remind him of your project when i see him. it is hard to get in contact with him sometimes. you just have to be persistant with him.

Sweet. It'll be fun.

Yeah.. realized I have to be persistent. The trick is to do it without pestering/ nagging/ annoying the guy. Usually common sense on how to handle these situations from dealing with girls and government work.. but you just can beat knowing somebody and having it pass through word of mouth :)

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 12:30 PM
Sweet. It'll be fun.

Yeah.. realized I have to be persistent. The trick is to do it without pestering/ nagging/ annoying the guy. Usually common sense on how to handle these situations from dealing with girls and government work.. but you just can beat knowing somebody and having it pass through word of mouth :)

yep, don't annoy him. i'll ask him for you when i get there. you have to understand, he is retired. he only does gunsmithing as like a part time thingy. i'm lucky he will help me out. very lucky.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 12:33 PM
yep, don't annoy him. i'll ask him for you when i get there. you have to understand, he is retired. he only does gunsmithing as like a part time thingy. i'm lucky he will help me out. very lucky.

Oh yeah.. I froze that Chukar for when i forgot to bring it last time :) Just don't feed it to your kid in case you come across a shotgun pellet.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Oh yeah.. I froze that Chukar for when i forgot to bring it last time :) Just don't feed it to your kid in case you come across a shotgun pellet.

cool. thanks.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 12:52 PM
i got my new 700p hs stock today. remington has the best customer service. i'm going to use it on one of my new builds. it's going to be a true Remington 700 5r rifle.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 1:11 PM
i got my new 700p hs stock today. remington has the best customer service. i'm going to use it on one of my new builds. it's going to be a true Remington 700 5r rifle.

Going to use it to practice bedding? Installing a cheekpiece? That was my one gripe about the stock.. it doesn't set your cheek up high enough.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 1:16 PM
bedding yes. check piece i dunno yet. it depends if Albert wants it or not. he is going to shoot it. my mark 4 is going on top with my badger 20moa base and rings. it should be a tack driver for sure though. i'll also going to throw my last rock barrel on my last 700 sa for like an emergency set up. that's enough 30 cal precision rifles for me.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 1:23 PM
If you're going to order bedding compound from Brownells, let me know. I could probably use some more steel bed, a can of Alumahyde II, and some other small stuff. I hate paying the ORMD fees :(

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 1:27 PM
i'm getting whatever Randy tells me to get. whatever he does, is what i'm doing. but when i order, i will definitely let you know. i have discounts at brownell's too.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 1:30 PM
i'm getting whatever Randy tells me to get. whatever he does, is what i'm doing. but when i order, i will definitely let you know. i have discounts at brownell's too.

I'm sure he'll tell you to get steel bed. In fact, that's what he uses in his DIY. That stuff is way better than glass bed.. it's hell to use.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 1:34 PM
he said bedding is actually the hardest part of the job, all the prep work i mean.

wildcard
02-07-2008, 1:41 PM
he said bedding is actually the hardest part of the job, all the prep work i mean.

Is it? I wouldn't say its hard.. but it definitely requires a bit of prep work and patience. After you do a few and make a mistake here and there.. you'll be a pro. Keeping things neat and not rushing are key.

PistolPete75
02-07-2008, 1:52 PM
Is it? I wouldn't say its hard.. but it definitely requires a bit of prep work and patience. After you do a few and make a mistake here and there.. you'll be a pro. Keeping things neat and not rushing are key.


after knowing machining skills, yes. the part that suxs is the money invested in tooling and machinary that can easily go in the thousands. i'll be in about 10k for the gunsmithing, and if i go to making parts that be'll about 50k invested. that's why a hobbyist level is really expensive to do, but i'm doing it for the hell of it, and seeing if there is any opportunity that will be available in the future. getting a 007ffl is nearly impossible to obtain, but making parts is a different story. custom rifle building in california is a dying trade. i want to learn it before the heavy hitters retire or you'll end up spending 1k per each build in just gunsmithing fees alone, plus the pride of building it yourself is really cool.

ar15barrels
02-08-2008, 2:05 PM
Installing a cheekpiece?

I made two pillars with threads all the way through.
Then I formed Kydex over the stock.
Figure out how much rise you need, locate and bed the pillars through the stock and then mount the riser to both sides.
It's non-adjustable so it will never go out of adjustment at an in-oppertune time.

http://ar15barrels.com/gfx/700.jpg

ar15barrels
02-08-2008, 2:09 PM
he said bedding is actually the hardest part of the job, all the prep work i mean.

Not hard, just a lot of prep and clean-up.
I recommend getting some mausers to practice all your bedding and action blueprinting.
They are much cheaper if you end up scrapping parts like receivers, barrels, bolts and stocks.

Cypriss32
02-08-2008, 2:43 PM
Hey Randall how do you like the leupold you got?

ar15barrels
02-08-2008, 2:45 PM
Hey Randall how do you like the leupold you got?

Cameron beat me to it.

PistolPete75
02-08-2008, 5:05 PM
sorry, i have to bail out. my wife wants to go to disneyland, so it's a no go for me. with me being so busy lately, i have no time left for my family so i better go.

ar15barrels
02-08-2008, 6:40 PM
Falling apart quick...

I sprained or possibly broke my foot.
The sand there would probably not be fun on crutches.

rksimple
02-09-2008, 7:56 PM
So whats the verdict for tomorrow? Who's coming and who's not?

How did the machining class go?

wildcard
02-09-2008, 8:40 PM
Machining class was very promising. Can't tell you much more than that since we just went over safety today and basic introductions.

I'll be at the location tomorrow. Going to see if my car can make it to the spot where we stop. I'll just carry the target out 1000 yds. 2PM?

PistolPete75
02-09-2008, 9:04 PM
i wish i could go, but i'm going to disneyland.

i'm kindav of fadded right now. came back from korean bbq. :)

rksimple
02-09-2008, 10:11 PM
2 sounds good. You guys have my number. Call me if there are any problems.

Timberwolf
02-09-2008, 10:14 PM
I'm out, fighting off this cold/flu or whatever it is going around and losing the battle. Butt was dragging when got off tonight at APS - I think tomorrow I'm just going to go to Mass then come home and veg

ar15barrels
02-09-2008, 10:41 PM
I'm out, fighting off this cold/flu or whatever it is going around and losing the battle. Butt was dragging when got off tonight at APS - I think tomorrow I'm just going to go to Mass then come home and veg

Welcome to my last 3 weeks... :mad:
Now go and break your foot and you are in my world.
I so damn bored of sitting around the house.
Been reading through the Mike Lau book though.

Cypriss32
02-10-2008, 1:41 AM
I got the flu too. I just woke up from sleeping from 10pm friday night, its now 2am sunday morning. I hate this ****!

PistolPete75
02-10-2008, 9:45 AM
you guys might have got what i had a little awhile ago. you guys got alot of water pooh, body aches, and a fever?

anyways feel better. i'm going to see mickey mouse.

ar15barrels
02-10-2008, 9:47 AM
you guys might have got what i had a little awhile ago. you guys got alot of water pooh, body aches, and a fever?

Never had water pooh.
Just a throat infection and I had a little fever and body aches a few days ago.

Timberwolf
02-10-2008, 1:25 PM
Ache all over, fever, sore throat and very congested. CEO has kept me in bed all day slathered in Vicks etc (gotta love her) just now getting up - head feels like a football and I sound like an old Model T when I breath - I'll live

Cypriss32
02-10-2008, 2:29 PM
I was same way....... It sucked bad, I stayed in bed till this morning from friday afternoon. And just have an sore throat and congested now.

rksimple
02-10-2008, 5:01 PM
Just got back from shooting. It was good. We hit the 10x17 steel at 1k numerous times. Lots o' fun.

hk-p2000
02-10-2008, 5:17 PM
hey guys what happen everyone bail out at the last minute.
not you rksimple post some fricking pictures and next time invite me even thoo.
I don't own any long arms or AR's but my HK.

rksimple
02-10-2008, 5:34 PM
hey guys what happen everyone bail out at the last minute.
not you rksimple post some fricking pictures and next time invite me even thoo.
I don't own any long arms or AR's but my HK.

Didn't take any pictures today. It was just Jason and I. We had targets at 400, 800 and 1000 yards. Didn't shoot anything closer.

PistolPete75
02-10-2008, 9:47 PM
Didn't take any pictures today. It was just Jason and I. We had targets at 400, 800 and 1000 yards. Didn't shoot anything closer.

nice. wish i was there. the tea cup ride at disneyland got me very dizzy. i think i'm getting old.

wildcard
02-11-2008, 9:21 AM
nice. wish i was there. the tea cup ride at disneyland got me very dizzy. i think i'm getting old.

Learned two things at the shoot:

-A lowered Acura can make it out to the spot w/o scraping if you do it slow and intelligently.

-155 gr and 168 gr .308 bullets will not knock down a spring loaded .5" thick AR500 10"X17" plate at 800 yds.

We need to set up another shoot.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 10:19 AM
Learned two things at the shoot:

-A lowered Acura can make it out to the spot w/o scraping if you do it slow and intelligently.

-155 gr and 168 gr .308 bullets will not knock down a spring loaded .5" thick AR500 10"X17" plate at 800 yds.

We need to set up another shoot.

i'm down for this saturday. can you hear the steel clanking at 800yards?

Prc329
02-11-2008, 10:36 AM
If we can do it in the AM I'm down for Saturday. I gotta go get party stuff for my son's first birthday in the afternoon.

rksimple
02-11-2008, 10:46 AM
i'm down for this saturday. can you hear the steel clanking at 800yards?

Not very well. The free hanging targets ring a lot better. The 1/2" target of jasons is meaty and not too tall. It makes it physically difficult for it to be moved by an impact.

rksimple
02-11-2008, 10:48 AM
And we learned that my moderately loaded 155's to 1000 are about 10 minutes flatter than the 168's!

wildcard
02-11-2008, 10:49 AM
i'm down for this saturday. can you hear the steel clanking at 800yards?

You can see the splash and hear the clang depending on your hearing protection of course. Ryan heard it fine since it's essentially a free-standing piece steel. It's not as pronounced as thinner pieces of steel though.

Satuday is a maybe for me.. going to see if I can make it up to Tahoe for some skiing since we have a free Saturday :)

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 10:49 AM
i'm figuring a little over 8 mills for 155scenars going around 2850-2900fps for 1k.

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 10:51 AM
Depending on how I feel I'll try to make it on Sat. - this cold or whatever its tryig its best to kick my butt

Prc329
02-11-2008, 10:52 AM
What's the elevation out there?

wildcard
02-11-2008, 10:52 AM
I like my 168 SMK's and they reached just fine :)

I have to admit that there's an advantage in using those 155's especially when using holdovers for shooting multiple distances.. but i'm a creature of habit. Besides.. I like taking the hard route.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 11:13 AM
I like my 168 SMK's and they reached just fine :)

I have to admit that there's an advantage in using those 155's especially when using holdovers for shooting multiple distances.. but i'm a creature of habit. Besides.. I like taking the hard route.

yep, less chances of errors shooting the scenars. the 168s, you have to be right on the dot.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 11:14 AM
What's the elevation out there?

3800ft

rksimple
02-11-2008, 11:22 AM
I like my 168 SMK's and they reached just fine :)

I have to admit that there's an advantage in using those 155's especially when using holdovers for shooting multiple distances.. but i'm a creature of habit. Besides.. I like taking the hard route.

And you'll always be able to blame a miss on the darn things coming apart mid flight!:D

Just kiddin guys. Those 168's did just fine out there. You just need to be precise. The advantage of the 155's comes into play more on UKD and multiple targets/variable distances.

wildcard
02-11-2008, 11:44 AM
And you'll always be able to blame a miss on the darn things coming apart mid flight!:D

Just kiddin guys. Those 168's did just fine out there. You just need to be precise. The advantage of the 155's comes into play more on UKD and multiple targets/variable distances.

Precision is my middle name :D I don't need no stinking 155's!

Did y'all see Kurt's new targets? Had a chance to shoot at them at the match.. now he's offering them for sale. Pretty awesome.. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=473631#Post473631

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 12:22 PM
ya, i like the hostage targets.

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Did y'all see Kurt's new targets? Had a chance to shoot at them at the match.. now he's offering them for sale. Pretty awesome.. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=473631#Post473631

You may be seeing those some more

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 12:27 PM
i rather do hostages all day long than movers.

would be nice if APS had them on the rifle range.

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 12:30 PM
would be nice if APS had them on the rifle range.

We may for matches but not general public use

wildcard
02-11-2008, 12:34 PM
I'd love to see more of those hostage targets.. they're just fun even though they're still just stationary (but reactive) targets.

I still prefer movers though.. especially if they're moving at variable speeds.

rksimple
02-11-2008, 12:38 PM
I still prefer movers though.. especially if they're moving at variable speeds.

Or after you fire at them once, they move a lot more quickly. I guess that would be easier with people in the pits than an electronic mover.

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 12:41 PM
Or after you fire at them once, they move a lot more quickly. I guess that would be easier with people in the pits than an electronic mover.

or after you fire the first shot I gun the quad LOL

rksimple
02-11-2008, 12:42 PM
or after you fire the first shot I gun the quad LOL

Only difference being the stability of the shooting platform, I guess.

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Only difference being the stability of the shooting platform, I guess.

Yeah its not exactly the steadiest of platforms is it . . . I did it a few times when we were experimenting with using the trailer like that and learned that its not only shooting a target while moving but also balancing yourself while doing it. Also doing that stage from the road is steadier than from the range area as its smoother.

wildcard
02-11-2008, 12:53 PM
Yeah its not exactly the steadiest of platforms is it . . . I did it a few times when we were experimenting with using the trailer like that and learned that its not only shooting a target while moving but also balancing yourself while doing it. Also doing that stage from the road is steadier than from the range area as its smoother.

Yeah.. but you used a smaller target when shooting from the road which actually makes it way harder than shooting a overly large target on rougher terrain.

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Actually the maiden is wider than the plate on the hill at the rifle range but shorter. The road shot however is a little farther away though and it was done at night.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 1:17 PM
i think it's always easier to hit fatter targets, than skinny targets. it's easier to miss judge the wind than dial in the elevation.

wildcard
02-11-2008, 1:22 PM
I suppose it's easier to "hit" fatter targets.. but that has never really been my thing :cool2:

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 1:28 PM
you always got either shooting or sex on your mind. :clown:

wildcard
02-11-2008, 1:35 PM
you always got either shooting or sex on your mind. :clown:

Really.. I ain't the only one..

I would like to direct your attention to post #13 here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=82479&page=2

:shifty:

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 1:47 PM
Really.. I ain't the only one..

I would like to direct your attention to post #13 here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=82479&page=2

:shifty:

hehe. you got me.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 1:47 PM
Really.. I ain't the only one..

I would like to direct your attention to post #13 here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=82479&page=2

:shifty:

hehe. you got me.

rksimple
02-11-2008, 1:56 PM
I suppose it's easier to "hit" fatter targets.. but that has never really been my thing :cool2:

Hey now...fat targets need hitting too...

wildcard
02-11-2008, 1:59 PM
Hey now...fat targets need hitting too...

Yeah, but I'll have to shoot a few down the tube to get enough splatter to cover all of it.

ar15barrels
02-11-2008, 2:01 PM
i think it's always easier to hit fatter targets, than skinny targets.

Are you talking about bar hopping, or shooting?

ar15barrels
02-11-2008, 2:02 PM
you always got either shooting or sex on your mind. :clown:

And the problem is? :confused:

wildcard
02-11-2008, 2:05 PM
you always got either shooting or sex on your mind. :clown:

Oh yeah.. I need to start carrying around a campus map so I/ we can navigate better :)

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 2:05 PM
Are you talking about bar hopping, or shooting?

shooting.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 2:06 PM
And the problem is? :confused:

never said there was a problem. i was stating a fact.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 2:11 PM
Oh yeah.. I need to start carrying around a campus map so I/ we can navigate better :)

it was a wierd feeling being back in college. weekdays would be much better.

ar15barrels
02-11-2008, 2:14 PM
Oh yeah.. I need to start carrying around a campus map so I/ we can navigate better :)

Does the campus map show where all the girls hang out?

ar15barrels
02-11-2008, 2:15 PM
it was a wierd feeling being back in college. weekdays would be much better.

Venice High School.
6pm tonight. ;)

wildcard
02-11-2008, 2:15 PM
it was a wierd feeling being back in college. weekdays would be much better.

Yeah.. but I miss being asked for directions. Ahh.. the college days.. those were the days of just chasing tail :) If I were single..

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 2:18 PM
I don't remember much about college its kinda a blur, I must have gone though as I've got a couple of pieces of paper that say I did - it was the disco era - need I say more

wildcard
02-11-2008, 2:21 PM
I don't remember much about college its kinda a blur, I must have gone though as I've got a couple of pieces of paper that say I did - it was the disco era - need I say more

I got a piece of paper that says B.A and one that says M.A. All they're good for is making me look good on other pieces of paper. Quite useless actually.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 2:22 PM
i studied approximately 1 month worth in college. i had my share of partying. i was with my first girl for about 5 years, and then i went crazy for a few years of just playing around, and then i met my wife and got married. i used to be the "crazy" one out of the group. in terms of the disco era, i had my share from clubbing and raves.

wildcard
02-11-2008, 2:25 PM
Uhh.. my body is a temple and I will not partake in disco era activities. I'm also saving myself for marriage..

Y'all are horrible influences on me..

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 2:36 PM
i actually had more than my share of partying. it got old after awhile though. japanese girls are the craziest though. koreans are shy unless they drink.

rksimple
02-11-2008, 2:36 PM
I'm also saving myself for marriage..



Umm, so what are you saving????

wildcard
02-11-2008, 2:38 PM
i actually had more than my share of partying. it got old after awhile though. japanese girls are the craziest though. koreans are shy unless they drink.

This is where I stop participating.. my girl comes here ones in awhile (though she won't admit it) :cool2:

I would have to say Japanese are fun..

Viet is pretty crazy though..

wildcard
02-11-2008, 2:41 PM
Umm, so what are you saving????

You're killing me here.. now how am I supposed to lie to those that are ACTUALLY saving themselves? :)

I was never very good at saving..

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 2:48 PM
i'm tired. gonna go home. c'ya laters.

wildcard
02-11-2008, 2:49 PM
i'm tired. gonna go home. c'ya laters.

Ain't even 5 yet! Those teacups really messed you up :)

Timberwolf
02-11-2008, 2:52 PM
:

I would have to say Japanese are fun..

Viet is pretty crazy though..

German, French, Italian, Danish, Australian and Persian girls aren't bad either . . . now back to your regularly scheduled programing

rksimple
02-11-2008, 3:00 PM
I got a piece of paper that says B.A and one that says M.A. All they're good for is making me look good on other pieces of paper. Quite useless actually.

Luckily, the 3 letters on my piece of paper help me out quite a bit. without them, I'd be screwed.

wildcard
02-11-2008, 3:12 PM
Luckily, the 3 letters on my piece of paper help me out quite a bit. without them, I'd be screwed.

DDS? DMD? You could have opened up a successful business in Mexico :)

rksimple
02-11-2008, 3:43 PM
DDS? DMD? You could have opened up a successful business in Mexico :)

DDS. I don't know how successful I'd be in Mexico. I can show you many pictures of their "dental work"...and I use that term loosely. Not really my style...

ar15barrels
02-11-2008, 3:46 PM
DDS. I don't know how successful I'd be in Mexico.
I can show you many pictures of their "dental work"...and I use that term loosely.
Not really my style...

You don't have to do any actual dental work.
Just sell drugs, which those 3 letters allow you to buy, to gringos.

PistolPete75
02-11-2008, 8:01 PM
German, French, Italian, Danish, Australian and Persian girls aren't bad either . . . now back to your regularly scheduled programing

for me no experience with any of the above, but i did have Irish which was the most exotic for me. to tell you the truth, i don't think it was that good to me. mainly korean or korean mixed. but in the end, it came down to who really has your back. only one that has truely been down with me no matter what has been my wife and the reason why i married her. it's much easier to bone a girl, than it is to find one that really loves you no matter what. people change. very few truely remains loyal and true. like all relationships in life, you know who your friends are when **** hits the fan. when times are good, everyone is your best buddy especially if your the rain maker. my wife's been with me when i was making 10bucks an hour, and she's been with me when i was making some serious Gs. like i said, no matter what.

Prc329
02-11-2008, 9:49 PM
So um, shooting Saturday?

rksimple
02-12-2008, 7:08 AM
So um, shooting Saturday?

I think I'll be around. Should know by Friday.

wildcard
02-12-2008, 9:20 AM
So um, shooting Saturday?

I'll know by today.. I definitely want to make it out though. Gotta reload.. I have absolutely nothing loaded.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 9:29 AM
i have a high percentage that i will be going to Randy's house on saturday to do some work. he mainly works on saturdays, and joe had time on saturday so i might have to do some work.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 1:22 PM
i have a high percentage that i will be going to Randy's house on saturday to do some work. he mainly works on saturdays, and joe had time on saturday so i might have to do some work.

See how far along my rifle is! I'm anxiously awaiting its arrival.

Let me know how everything goes with Randy. Being so chill, it seems like he'd be a good teacher.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 1:44 PM
will do. he basically told me to call him when i want to go. he likes to work on saturdays, but sometimes does family stuff. if i get to go there, i will say that your are my buddy, and i'll let him know you are very anxious for it.

pm inbound for some tehachapi info.

wildcard
02-12-2008, 1:47 PM
pm inbound for some tehachapi info.

Lets live in consecutive lots and have a undergrounder bunker/ indoor range :)

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 1:52 PM
the hot news in the real estate industry is conforming limits to go to the 700k level. there is a possibility that if this goes through, the market might bottom out this year. it might be wise to buy some land cheap in tehacaphi and sit on it for like 10-15 years and turn a good profit. ryan's area has alot of custom homes which indicates a prosperous area which means dolla dolla bills.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 1:52 PM
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PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 1:56 PM
a 40-60k investment might go to 175k by the top of the next cycle. not bad for about 10 years of waiting.

Timberwolf
02-12-2008, 1:57 PM
I see land advertised all the time in that area as well as other parts of the AV past Mojave. Might be worth a little investment to have my own range. Just so its in Kern County.

Hmmm my own 1K range without worries of pesky looky loos and motorcycles.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 2:01 PM
i have a salesperson license. i will share 25% of my commision with anyone that wants to buy real estate from me as a special promotion to you guys. i'm looking to buy myself soon, and will be looking. anyone is welcome to come with me to do research.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 2:07 PM
I see land advertised all the time in that area as well as other parts of the AV past Mojave. Might be worth a little investment to have my own range. Just so its in Kern County.

Hmmm my own 1K range without worries of pesky looky loos and motorcycles.

if you have a rifles only range up to 1k, people will come for sure. tons of steel like pala would be just awesome. mayby put a reloading store and snack shop too.

Prc329
02-12-2008, 2:09 PM
I see land advertised all the time in that area as well as other parts of the AV past Mojave. Might be worth a little investment to have my own range. Just so its in Kern County.

Hmmm my own 1K range without worries of pesky looky loos and motorcycles.

That would be cool. I was thinking once I buy out in Riverside of looking for some land to mess around on.

wildcard
02-12-2008, 2:17 PM
i have a salesperson license. i will share 25% of my commision with anyone that wants to buy real estate from me as a special promotion to you guys. i'm looking to buy myself soon, and will be looking. anyone is welcome to come with me to do research.

I was thinking about buying out of state.. but it seems unrealistic that i'll ever move there (at this juncture in my life at least). May have to consider picking up a slice of land out there in Tehachapi, i'll talk about it with you next time we meet up so I can learn something about it. Live on it in the future or sell it, can't lose.

Timberwolf
02-12-2008, 2:30 PM
if you have a rifles only range up to 1k, people will come for sure. tons of steel like pala would be just awesome. mayby put a reloading store and snack shop too.
You're so reading my mind - the ideal retirement business but that takes major capital investment plus putting up with the State's environmental reports, etc etc etc - but alas if it ever happens think it'll just be a nice piece of land, non commercial, for the enjoyment of family and friends (with the occassional class and match thrown in for good measure.

wildcard
02-12-2008, 2:32 PM
but alas if it ever happens think it'll just be a nice piece of land, non commercial, for the enjoyment of family and friends (with the occassional class and match thrown in for good measure.

We'd call you daddy.

Prc329
02-12-2008, 2:33 PM
We'd call you daddy.

I was thinking Uncle Wolfy.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 2:35 PM
cool thing about raw land is the low property taxes if they are not built on. think of it like buying a car. it's about the same monthly payments, but the it's a true asset that will increase in value instead of decreasing in value like a car. you can turn a bmw 5 series into a ferrari modena 360 if properly invested with very little risk, but there will be a "hatching" time that needs to take place.

Prc329
02-12-2008, 2:39 PM
How many acres would one need for a 1000 yard range?

wildcard
02-12-2008, 2:46 PM
How many acres would one need for a 1000 yard range?

Quite a few.. you'll need to secure enough land so that you minimize complaints from potential neighbors. I say minimize cause there'll always be a battle no matter how ar away your "neighbors" are.

ar15barrels
02-12-2008, 3:18 PM
Quite a few.. you'll need to secure enough land so that you minimize complaints from potential neighbors. I say minimize cause there'll always be a battle no matter how ar away your "neighbors" are.

Buy a canyon where there are no neighbors.
That's what we did at WEGC.
We own the bottom of the canyon we are in.
All around is BLM land which can never have houses built on it (not that there's any places even big enough to cut a pad).

rksimple
02-12-2008, 3:42 PM
5 years ago, the lot I bought for 68k was going for about 6k. It makes me sick.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 4:14 PM
5 years ago, the lot I bought for 68k was going for about 6k. It makes me sick.

how much is a 2 acre lot right next to your house in today's market? around 40-60? i'll wait till it drops to like 25-40k, i'll be your neighbor. i'm seeing some for around 20k. i wonder if the location is any good.

wildcard
02-12-2008, 4:25 PM
how much is a 2 acre lot right next to your house in today's market? around 40-60? i'll wait till it drops to like 25-40k, i'll be your neighbor. i'm seeing some for around 20k. i wonder if the location is any good.

Keep an eye out for me too. I need to invest in a piece of land for the future and this would be as good as any.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 4:46 PM
Around me, since I'm relatively close to power, they're about 65-75k. I'm only about 250 yards from the nearest transformer, and its still going to run me about 40k to bring power to my lot. An alternative energy system would run about the same. But there are many issues with solar/wind/backup generator and a battery bank. Its just not as easy as the power company. At my FIL's ranch, we had to replace the chrge controller once already. There are interruptions in the power supply occasionally.

Timberwolf
02-12-2008, 5:11 PM
That's why we don't have power at APS - the cost to run the lines would be outragous. That said though we have passive solar to run a few things in the office and if we need it we have the generator we can use. You'd be surprised just how much we don't miss it.

I saw in the AV Press where they were selling 15 AC plots up in the Mojave/Tehachapi area pretty cheap - its undeveloped etc. The only problem is its all flat desert land - not bad for building but I'd have to do some major dozer work to build up some berms for range use.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 5:25 PM
That's why we don't have power at APS - the cost to run the lines would be outragous. That said though we have passive solar to run a few things in the office and if we need it we have the generator we can use. You'd be surprised just how much we don't miss it.

I saw in the AV Press where they were selling 15 AC plots up in the Mojave/Tehachapi area pretty cheap - its undeveloped etc. The only problem is its all flat desert land - not bad for building but I'd have to do some major dozer work to build up some berms for range use.

There are some in the unincorporated areas. They have bigger lot sizes, too. Anything from 15 to 6000 acres. I'm out that way every once in a while so I can pay closer attention next time. May be some good deals out there off of the 14.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 5:26 PM
Oh, and on the land up by me, if you sit on the land for a few years there will be enough people bringing power up there by then that you won't have to worry about it.

Timberwolf
02-12-2008, 5:30 PM
The biggest hurdle will be to convince the CEO why we need such a purchase - "you want to do what . . . you're going to buy a piece of property way out there to do what" :hide:

rksimple
02-12-2008, 5:34 PM
I'll keep an eye out for good deals. I know a few people out by Lake Isabella with some land, and they know all the land owners in the area. Some of my patients have connections too. I'll keep my ear to the ground.

Prc329
02-12-2008, 6:17 PM
:hide:

That's what I did after I told the wife. I think I saw my favorite DVD fly by my head.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 7:38 PM
i did some research. best two places are Oak Knolls and Ryan's area. price range is about 40-100k. there is an over supply in the market, and prices will dip this year for sure. good time to buy should be around november of this year. tell your wife that this is a part of your long term retirement investment. my wife understands the real estate cycle from marring a guy in real estate. she is very enthusiatic to invest in another property. there aren't many other things that is lucrative as real estate.

wildcard
02-12-2008, 8:30 PM
i did some research. best two places are Oak Knolls and Ryan's area. price range is about 40-100k. there is an over supply in the market, and prices will dip this year for sure. good time to buy should be around november of this year. tell your wife that this is a part of your long term retirement investment. my wife understands the real estate cycle from marring a guy in real estate. she is very enthusiatic to invest in another property. there aren't many other things that is lucrative as real estate.

Keep me posted. I'd be interested in something on the low end.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 8:36 PM
i saw alot of 40k-80k lots in Mountain Meadows. actually looking at them right now at realtor.com

rksimple
02-12-2008, 8:38 PM
i did some research. best two places are Oak Knolls and Ryan's area. price range is about 40-100k. there is an over supply in the market, and prices will dip this year for sure. good time to buy should be around november of this year. tell your wife that this is a part of your long term retirement investment. my wife understands the real estate cycle from marring a guy in real estate. she is very enthusiatic to invest in another property. there aren't many other things that is lucrative as real estate.

Any place out in oak knolls thats worth a hoot (flat, buildable, passes perc test,etc) is going to be 130-150k. But then you also have public water supply in most of oak knolls and power. We put an offer in on a lot out there before we decided to go out to mountain meadows. Should dip a little bit, but its amazing to see this town still growing with the market the way that it is. They're just finishing building new tract homes over by the high school up here, and they're just about all sold before they're even done.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 8:38 PM
i saw alot of 40k-80k lots in Mountain Meadows. actually looking at them right now at realtor.com

Let me know which ones. I can tell you if they're worth it. Chances are I looked at the same ones. A lot of them have been on the market for a while.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 8:48 PM
this one looks really beautiful.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?ctid=6649&ml=3&mnp=11&mxp=16&typ=20&ofbm=8&sid=6e64c141fa6948148c2ba6c2391ff811&pg=5&lid=1093682427&lsn=45&srcnt=401#Detail

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 8:49 PM
Any place out in oak knolls thats worth a hoot (flat, buildable, passes perc test,etc) is going to be 130-150k. But then you also have public water supply in most of oak knolls and power. We put an offer in on a lot out there before we decided to go out to mountain meadows. Should dip a little bit, but its amazing to see this town still growing with the market the way that it is. They're just finishing building new tract homes over by the high school up here, and they're just about all sold before they're even done.

i was told 100k would get you a nice 2acre lot there.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 8:54 PM
i was told 100k would get you a nice 2acre lot there.

Maybe. Probably won't be too flat, and a well will need to be drilled. It won't pass perc so you'll need an engineered septic system that'll be another 15k (maybe). But power is right there. In mountain meadows, power is a ways away, but it doesn't even need a perc test. It all passes out there. Oak knolls has some oak trees around and mountain meadows is more grassy. Its all a trade off. Oak knolls is definitly more expensive. Its a little more "ritzy" out there.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 8:54 PM
there is just way too many land for sale. you really just have to drive around and see what part of town you like, and start asking tons of questions.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 8:56 PM
this one looks really beautiful.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?ctid=6649&ml=3&mnp=11&mxp=16&typ=20&ofbm=8&sid=6e64c141fa6948148c2ba6c2391ff811&pg=5&lid=1093682427&lsn=45&srcnt=401#Detail

This is a lot we wanted to buy until we found out what it would run to take power up there. Its all the way at the top of the street, a good 5-600 yards from power. One of my patients has a house a couple lots over from this one. He has solar/wind power and seems to do ok.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 8:57 PM
Maybe. Probably won't be too flat, and a well will need to be drilled. It won't pass perc so you'll need an engineered septic system that'll be another 15k (maybe). But power is right there. In mountain meadows, power is a ways away, but it doesn't even need a perc test. It all passes out there. Oak knolls has some oak trees around and mountain meadows is more grassy. Its all a trade off. Oak knolls is definitly more expensive. Its a little more "ritzy" out there.

yep, building cost, permits, etc will definitely cost some major bucks. but for me, i'm not looking to build for at least 5-10years. i might try to buy like two major lots out there, and sell one off to help pay for building costs. i would love to have a home out there. definitely a winner. over the long term, i see alot of upward growth. one of the last few real country places in california that isn't out in total BFE. beautiful topography out there, and the economic base seems to be growing which is the most important factor for a healthy future.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 8:59 PM
The power situation isn't really a problem until you try to get financing to build a house. Often times, the final loan is contingent upon the house being on grid. Many won't finance off grid homes.

Next time you're up here, let me know. I'll show you the areas and what to look for. Some of the realtors here are very shady and will tell you what you want to hear.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 9:01 PM
yep, building cost, permits, etc will definitely cost some major bucks. but for me, i'm not looking to build for at least 5-10years. i might try to buy like two major lots out there, and sell one off to help pay for building costs. i would love to have a home out there. definitely a winner. over the long term, i see alot of upward growth. one of the last few real country places in california that isn't out in total BFE. beautiful topography out there.

We are seeing a lot of growth. Its great for business but at the same time, I hate to see it get crowded.

This is a lot with a great view and pretty close to power. This wasn't on the market when we were buying or I may have bought it.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=93561&ml=3&mnp=15&typ=20&ofbm=8&sid=04241a5fd6a848e3a028a79e664b8077&pg=7&lid=1088587980&lsn=69&srcnt=389#Detail

rksimple
02-12-2008, 9:04 PM
Heres another one closer to power than we are. Power is one lot away. A guy I went to high school with owns this one. Its about 200 yards from my place.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=93561&ml=3&mnp=15&typ=20&ofbm=8&sid=04241a5fd6a848e3a028a79e664b8077&pg=9&lid=1080281551&lsn=87&srcnt=389#Detail

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 9:04 PM
The power situation isn't really a problem until you try to get financing to build a house. Often times, the final loan is contingent upon the house being on grid. Many won't finance off grid homes.

Next time you're up here, let me know. I'll show you the areas and what to look for. Some of the realtors here are very shady and will tell you what you want to hear.

my father in law and i would probably go all cash deal on this to try to get a killer deal, and we'll just hold on for 5-10years and just pay property taxes till it gains some real momentum in the market. sell one off, and then build a house. i would like to retire out in tehacapi till my own kids have kids then who knows. my in laws can have a crazy koi pond out there.

i'm just using realtors for information. i would represent myself out there in the very end. realtors are shady that's for sure. :cool2:

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 9:07 PM
We are seeing a lot of growth. Its great for business but at the same time, I hate to see it get crowded.

This is a lot with a great view and pretty close to power. This wasn't on the market when we were buying or I may have bought it.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=93561&ml=3&mnp=15&typ=20&ofbm=8&sid=04241a5fd6a848e3a028a79e664b8077&pg=7&lid=1088587980&lsn=69&srcnt=389#Detail

the premium is on the view right? it must have a killer view.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 9:11 PM
the premium is on the view right? it must have a killer view.

Not really. Its proximity to power is why its a little more. Oak knolls has some areas with a view, and those are the 130-150k ones. But you only get to see the sunrise. You're so close to the mountain out there sunset is weak. A lot of lots in mountain meadows have views. Sunrise and awesome sunsets. The trick is to buy a lot where no matter what they build around you, your view never gets blocked. I'm on a corner in a cul de sac and a bit higher than the lot below me. I think I'm safe.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 9:11 PM
Heres another one closer to power than we are. Power is one lot away. A guy I went to high school with owns this one. Its about 200 yards from my place.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=93561&ml=3&mnp=15&typ=20&ofbm=8&sid=04241a5fd6a848e3a028a79e664b8077&pg=9&lid=1080281551&lsn=87&srcnt=389#Detail

yep saw this one too. looks like it's ready to be built, and has work into it already commanding a premium. if you wait a little on this, it'll be a better buy. i know he is your buddy, but he has to be a little more desperate to drop his price. it'll happen soon.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 9:13 PM
Not really. Its proximity to power is why its a little more. Oak knolls has some areas with a view, and those are the 130-150k ones. But you only get to see the sunrise. You're so close to the mountain out there sunset is weak. A lot of lots in mountain meadows have views. Sunrise and awesome sunsets. The trick is to buy a lot where no matter what they build around you, your view never gets blocked. I'm on a corner in a cul de sac and a bit higher than the lot below me. I think I'm safe.

good info. i'm hoping in a few years, power would be more readily accessible.

rksimple
02-12-2008, 9:15 PM
my father in law and i would probably go all cash deal on this to try to get a killer deal, and we'll just hold on for 5-10years and just pay property taxes till it gains some real momentum in the market. sell one off, and then build a house. i would like to retire out in tehacapi till my own kids have kids then who knows. my in laws can have a crazy koi pond out there.

i'm just using realtors for information. i would represent myself out there in the very end. realtors are shady that's for sure. :cool2:

I want to make a pond with some bass and bluegill. Thats good eatin'!

By all means, let me know when you start looking. There are things that are important that a "city boy" might not look for (no offense!:D). Drainage issues, easements, types of soil, etc. can easily screw you up.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 9:16 PM
with all the supply out in the market, it's only a matter of time like everywhere else that prices will reach it's equilibrium to demand and supply. i have a feeling that the brokers out there are kind of saying to each other to keep prices stable. the desperate sellers will eventually drop their price, and the market will reach it's equilibrium again till demand increases and short supply increasing values again. every real estate market holds true to this rule.

PistolPete75
02-12-2008, 9:17 PM
I want to make a pond with some bass and bluegill. Thats good eatin'!

By all means, let me know when you start looking. There are things that are important that a "city boy" might not look for (no offense!:D). Drainage issues, easements, types of soil, etc. can easily screw you up.

that's for sure. i don't know diddly about those things.