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Timberwolf
01-26-2008, 6:48 PM
APS – 01-26-08 – Tac/Prec Match Report

Today we had our first monthly Tac/Prec Rifle Match at A Place to Shoot in Saugus, California for the 2008 season. We had quite a few new faces for this matches and several old as well. After a week of watching weather reports, snow levels, road conditions, and overall condition of the range, we were blessed with good weather for the match. Reasonably clear, and a little chilly. This match will be a constant this year on the 4th Saturday of every month so mark you calendars accordingly.

Plaques were awarded to the top three competitors as follows: First Place – Randall Rausch; Second Place – Joseph Hernandez; and Third Place – David McGrath. There was also a medal given to the top shooter in the 100 Yard Dot Drill event that David McGrath took with a score of 60 in 39.69 seconds. It should be noted that there were three competitors that had a score on this stage and the winner was settled by fastest time for the stage. As a note the 100-yard dot drill is shot using 3/4” dots so three out of five hits from down in the dirt/mud in prone is pretty fair country shootin’ in my book.

The following is a breakdown of the six courses of fire:

Stage I – 860 YARD SPANK THE BUFF

The first course of fire of the morning was pretty explanatory from its title. In this stage the shooters engaged our infamous buffalo (18”x24” steel plate) at 860 yards. This stage is a little different than normal in that the shooter had a max of three shots to hit the target. If hit in the first shot the shooter rec’d 100 pts; if the first shot was missed the shooter was allowed a second shot and if a hit was achieved it was worth 50 pts; if missed twice the shooter was allowed a third and final shot for which 25 pts were awarded for a hit. This a little different from the Maiden I ‘ve used in the past as the Buff is actually on the side of a hill where misses could be seen. I decided to do this for the first match so all could get their dope for this stage. Beware the Maiden will return next month. Two competitors “spanked the Buff” on their first shot, including the match winner.

Stage II – 255 YARDS KNEELING

In this second stage the shooters engaged an 8” plate at a distance of 255 yards in the kneeling position. As with the first stage the competitors were allowed a max of three shots with decreasing score. Two competitors scored first round hits including the match winner.

Stage III – BARACADE

In this stage the competitors engaged two targets from behind a barricade. The first shot was from prone at a 4”x6” steel plate at 130 yards, the second shot was at a 12”x12” steel plate at 380 yards from the side of the barricade and the third shot was at the same 380 yard target from the tope of the barricade. Scoring was 20 points for the first target and 40 for the other two.

Stage IV – 100 YARD 5 DOT DRILL - PRONE

This stage has become a norm at my matches. As the title says it is a standard five-dot drill consisting of 5 shots in prone at 100 yards, one shot per dot, using inch dots. The shooters had 1 minute to complete this stage with individual times being used as a tiebreaker. The max score was 100 pts (20 per hit – one round per dot). As said before there were three 60 pt totals on this section, however, Dave had the fastest time walking away with the medal for this event.

Stage V – ON THE MOVE

In this stage the shooter had to engage an 12”X 30” plate at 125 yards in an improvised position, seated in the back of a utility trailer that was being towed behind an ATV. The speed on the ATV was between 4 – 6 MPH. As with the first and second stages the shooters were allowed a max of three shots. If hit in the first shot the shooter rec’d 100 pts; if the first shot was missed the shooter was allowed a second shot and if a hit was achieved it was worth 50 pts; if missed twice the shooter was allowed a third and final shot for which 25 pts were awarded for a hit. Several shooters hit their mark with one hitting it the first shot.

Stage VI – IN THE FIELD

This final stage was shot from a field beside the rifle range. In this event the shooter was to engage the Buff with one round from whatever position they could get a clear line of sight and using any natural object as a support if they chose. Because of the location of the position, the brash and hill between the shoot and the target prone was basically out of the question. Shooters engaged the Buff in a variety of positions with several using limbs laying on the ground as improvised shooting sticks, and others slinging up for kneeling. Five out of the eleven shooters hit their mark, again including the match winner.

All in all it was a very good match and all did very well.

EmphaticThumb
01-26-2008, 7:04 PM
Thanks a lot for putting on a great match Twolf. Despite being a newb I had a lot of fun. Congrats to Randall on some fine shooting.

Matt Evans

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 9:09 AM
Congrats to Randall on some fine shooting.

Thanks Matt.
I'm sure I'll be back out there after Mystery Mountain in March.

Timberwolf
01-27-2008, 9:41 AM
Randall - see I told you that you only needed one gun to get the job done - good show

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 10:00 AM
Randall - see I told you that you only needed one gun to get the job done - good show

That's because there were not enough targets.
I only fired 14 rounds to complete all six courses of fire. :eek:

I'll stand by my assertion that just because 3gunners shoot fast or a lot of ammo, that does not mean we are not also accurate.

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 1:36 PM
i have the itch to go shooting bad. stuck at home with the baby. does anyone know if angeles still has night shooting?

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 1:38 PM
i have the itch to go shooting bad.

Did you wipe really good?
That itch could be something else. :eek:

wildcard
01-27-2008, 1:54 PM
i have the itch to go shooting bad. stuck at home with the baby. does anyone know if angeles still has night shooting?

isn't that only on Wednesdays?

Prc329
01-27-2008, 1:54 PM
I shouldn't have changed my load. I was a full mil low on the buffalo. By my calculations I am 150 fps slow. Gotta get out next week and chrono the new load. No more estimates. Could have been the temp as well. It was probably in the low 40s for the first shot.

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 1:56 PM
It was probably in the low 40s for the first shot.

41 on my thermometer.

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 2:00 PM
i'm fully recovered, no more water pooh, no more body aches, no more fever. time to zero in my rifle, get my dope redone for 168s and then switch over to 155 scenars.

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 2:01 PM
rule #1, never shoot in a match if your changed something with your load or rifle.

Prc329
01-27-2008, 2:04 PM
rule #1, never shoot in a match if your changed something with your load or rifle.

I got lazy and didn't load the load I knew well since I had already loaded the lapua/4895 loads.

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 2:09 PM
i prefer to get my dope from paper targets. steel at angeles if i'm pressed for time. jbm just doesn't do it for me, but it's more of a guideline for wind calls for me. your relying on that nightforce calculator too much.

locktime
01-27-2008, 2:17 PM
Randall, were you shooting .223 or .308? Or something more exotic?

AR platform, I presume.

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 2:23 PM
Randall, were you shooting .223 or .308? Or something more exotic?

AR platform, I presume.

An AR is NOT the right tool for this job.
26" barreled 308 Remington Sendero in an HS Stock from a PSS.

Prc329
01-27-2008, 2:36 PM
i prefer to get my dope from paper targets. steel at angeles if i'm pressed for time. jbm just doesn't do it for me, but it's more of a guideline for wind calls for me. your relying on that nightforce calculator too much.

I have the rl15 load I know very well. I just didn't have time to load it because I was switching loads. I have a hard dope for my other load and this 4895 load in my old rifle. I just didn't have time to chrono the old load from the new gun. Not the softwares fault, my fault for feeding incorrect estimated info. Once I figured that out and made adjustments the rifle was on, my position shooting was off.

Cypriss32
01-27-2008, 3:15 PM
Next time im gona shoot my beater/loaner gun. SPR bases AR, 20" RRA N/M upper, Troy handguards, 22MOA badger, 10x SS with Good trigger. Ive been shooting 25grs of varget over 75gr BTHPs. WARM loads.

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 3:21 PM
for those not going to the shot show, let's have some steel madness at asr next saturday.

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 3:21 PM
Ive been shooting 25grs of varget over 75gr BTHPs.

There's your problem.
The powder goes UNDER the bullet... :rofl2:

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 4:19 PM
who wants to practice hold under shooting at angeles with me next week? once i get my dope corrected, we'll call shots out for each other from 200-600yards, in five shot strings. it'll be good practice.

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 4:26 PM
who wants to practice hold under shooting at angeles with me next week? once i get my dope corrected, we'll call shots out for each other from 200-600yards, in five shot strings. it'll be good practice.

I'd join you if I was not at the shot show.
I did that yesterday on the barricade stage.
Dialed my dope for the 380yd plate and held 1.5 mil under for the 130yd plate.

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 4:28 PM
sounds like you've been using all that theory in practice.

i started a new thread, so it wouldn't be confusing.

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 4:36 PM
sounds like you've been using all that theory in practice.

I hit the little plate at 130 just fine by holding under, but missed the 380 shots I was dialed for... :(
I need more practice on improvised field positions with a heavy rifle.
I'm used to my 8lb AR.

PistolPete75
01-27-2008, 5:56 PM
i saw a pic with your hunting bipod. i think that was a great idea. similar to what big game hunters might use in africa.

Timberwolf
01-27-2008, 5:59 PM
i saw a pic with your hunting bipod. i think that was a great idea. similar to what big game hunters might use in africa.

or anytime in the field - use what's available - that was a forked limb that was on the ground at the firing area

ar15barrels
01-27-2008, 10:10 PM
i saw a pic with your hunting bipod. i think that was a great idea. similar to what big game hunters might use in africa.

Talking about me and my stick?
It was right there on the ground.
I think Bill put that forked limb there to see if any of us were smart enough to think outside the box.
Jason was the smart one that asked if we could use natural support during the walk through as Bill specifically forbade artificial support on that stage.
The hardest thing for me was remembering to check for cant just before firing.

Where are the pictures?

Prc329
01-27-2008, 10:14 PM
Snipers Hide.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=455088#Post455088