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garchibek
10-18-2013, 4:11 PM
I am currently looking at getting a varmint set up in 22-250. Does anyone have any recommendations on rifles and optics based on field experience and performance?

Thanks in advance

Fjold
10-18-2013, 4:23 PM
Since lead free is going to be the only option for hunting in the near future, pick a rifle with a faster twist barrel. Don't get the 1:14" twist, Savage makes theirs in 1:12" twist but personally I would look for a 1:10" twist or faster barrel.

Bastard
10-18-2013, 4:26 PM
what kind of budget are you looking at - quite possibly my favorite rifle is my Ruger No. 1 in 22-250

OldShooter32
10-18-2013, 4:29 PM
I've got a nice one.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=642251

I also have a 700 in .223 and rhey are both tack-drivers.

garchibek
10-18-2013, 4:31 PM
I am flexible on the budget, I want to purchase the right gun and keep it

Gutpile66
10-18-2013, 4:48 PM
OP. Great choice for an excellent caliber.

I have two. The first I built on a pre '64 Winchester short action. Douglas 26" heavy sporter barrel and a custom fitted wood stock. Glass bedded with a standard recoil lug.

Second one is a factory Ruger Varmint I bought when they first started selling the heavy sporter barrels with target crown and the cool looking laminated stock (no thumb hole on mine).

The Ruger won't shoot like my custom Win. on the bench but it does everything I've wanted it to do in the field at a fraction of the price. The Ruger is a bit lighter so I use it when I'm going to be hiking to distant stands.

22-250's are bad ju-ju on coyotes. I reload for them exclusively. Both seem to prefer bullets at 55 grains and under. I shoot 52 grain Nosler and 55 grain Sierra bullets, hollow point match grade. If you hit a coyote in the 'pocket' with one of these it just drops like a sack of taters. And the match bullets won't always make an exit wound; they actually leave a road-rash like wound on the inside of the hide on the opposite side of the entry hole. I've shot a couple coyotes that decided to sit down facing me, between 200 & 300 yards away, shot them in the chest, and the shock of the bullets broke their spines. Only a couple small bullet fragments exited, and the inside of the hide looks like road rash. Everything in between was turned to jelly. Awesome.

Any good quality high power scope will work. These types of ballistics, for me, require high magnification. So spend the money and get a variable that goes up to at least 18X, 24X is even better. You'll get bored at 100 yard ranges and you'll start shooting the corners of the bar-code on paper targets. I only use 1 piece bases with Leupold rings. Keep the scope as close to the barrel as you can.

It adds weight to an already heavy rifle but I have to have a bipod for hunting. Good luck brother!

edgerly779
10-18-2013, 4:52 PM
I have a ruger m77 varmint heavy barrel. Good shooting firearms.

russ69
10-18-2013, 5:20 PM
It's just hard to go wrong with a 22-250. You can get a light weight hunting rig or a heavy barrel varmint killer. Which one is closer to what you want?

Knife Edge
10-18-2013, 5:38 PM
The latest trend is shooting 77g bullets with a 1:8 barrel, like a .223 but on steroids. The latest Hornady 9th even has loads for it :)

garchibek
10-18-2013, 6:18 PM
GutPile(Great handle)

Thanks for the advice, that is exactly what I am looking for. Something that enters and does not exit but pulverizes the internals. It will be for hunting coyotes.

Have you any experience with Browning 22-250 rifles or Sako?

As for the scope I was thinking Leopoldo VX-III 6.5X20 or the new Zeiss HD5 5X25. Is this too much scope for the rifle? I have a Leupold 6.5 X20X50 on my long range 308 and love it. What reticle do you suggest for varmint hunting?

garchibek
10-18-2013, 6:19 PM
Russ, I was thinking of going with a heavy flutted barrel, I would like a real tack driver. Which rifles do you prefer

jmust1991
10-18-2013, 6:33 PM
Tikka T3 Varmint for the win!! Put I nice leupold 3-9 or 4-12 on there and your set. The precision on mine is surgical.

russ69
10-18-2013, 7:29 PM
Russ, I was thinking of going with a heavy flutted barrel, I would like a real tack driver. Which rifles do you prefer

I don't really like any stock rifle although I have a few. There usually isn't much rifle left after I buy a trigger, new stock and put a new barrel on it. I guess I had more REM 700s than anything else with a bolt on it.

Gutpile66
10-18-2013, 7:41 PM
garchibek,

My grandpa used to say "happiness is a steaming gutpile".

For that kind of terminal ballistics stick with 52 - 55 gr. match grade bullets. The other guys responding regarding twist are correct, i.e., I've found you cannot over spin these bullets. So go tighter if you want, it won't make any difference. It does give you more options should you choose to fling gonzo BC heavy .224 bullets. Most factory barrels will come with 1/14 though, and they've worked great for me.

I wouldn't recommend fluted barrels if you're going to shoot from the bench. When they warm up they will have a tendency to tweak your groups. It's very frustrating. The weight savings just isn't enough to justify it. Yes, they look cool, but . . .

No experience with Browning other than shotguns. I do have a Sako 25-06 deer rifle that I bought used about 16 years ago. First time at the range the firing pin broke. Put in a new one and haven't had any problems since.

Work up your loads carefully and then stick with what your rifle likes the best.

I have the same VXIII on my custom Win. 22-250 with the varmint reticle. I love it. Mil dots, varmint reticles, Horus H58, whatever . . . you want to be able to "true" your rifle and loads out to 600 - 700 yds for hold-over points. Make a reference list at 50 yard increments for your holdover points on your reticle. I don't believe in doping or dialing, and I want my turrets capped so they cannot be accidentally moved. I'm a hunter and I've found this method to be the best for ethical kill shots at nose-bleed distances. Wind is a whole other matter. I still haven't figured out how to predict bullet impact like I want to in wind, so I limit my shot distances when the wind picks up in the late mornings.

Keep your line wet and your powder dry!

Bastard
10-18-2013, 7:50 PM
reading this thread makes me want to pick up another 22-250... bastards!

Bigyates
10-19-2013, 10:35 PM
I would check gunbroker for a used Remington varmint special. They still have one the fastest lock times and there are generally one or two listed.. I have one in 243 and am looking for another to re-barrel to a 260.

I ahve had this set-up since the 70's

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/243IMG_5505.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/243IMG_5511.jpg

milotrain
10-21-2013, 9:57 AM
I've been dreaming about a .22-250 with a 1:7.7 Kreiger. I haven't had problems with 55gr bullets being overspun in a 1:7 (.223) and I'd love to have the powder capacity to move a 75gr Amax above 3000fps. I think it'd be a very fun midrange gun as long as the chamber had a long enough freebore for the big heavies. 82gr Bergers anyone?

Oh man it would be so much fun.

Wrangler John
10-22-2013, 2:31 AM
This if you want Remington http://www.remingtoncustom.com/40X_40xbRangemasterThumb.aspx Comes from the custom shop, had options for 2 oz trigger, but in .22-250 has 1:14" twist, limiting it to lighter lead free bullets, e.g.; Barnes 36 grain Varmint Grenade, Nosler 40 grain BT Lead Free, Hornady 35 grain NXT, or the Barnes TSX or TTSX light weight offerings. For use in California lead free bullets will have to be certified lead free. These rifles are special order and run around $2,200.

You can look here http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/ Savage offers some nice .22-250's with a 1:12" twist barrel.

Or one of these, but you're back to a 1:14" twist:
http://www.weatherby.com/product/rifles/vanguard_2/rc_varmint

Or for a bit less money one of these:
http://www.weatherby.com/product/rifles/vanguard_2/varmint_special

There are scads of rifles on the market chambered for the .22-250 but with the emerging non-lead bullet requirement the traditional barrel twists won't stabilize the longer non-lead bullets in heavier weights. For Barnes .224" 50 grain Varmint Grenade 1:10" twist is necessary and anything faster is better.

I'm pretty much past buying a factory rifle, as they are compromises to fit a market niche. Nowadays I buy a new Remington 700 or Savage Target actions, a custom prefit barrel from Pac-Nor Barreling (with the Savage type nut for the Remington), a prefit wood laminate pillar bedded stock for the Savages or Bell & Carlson M-4 aluminum chassis stock for the Remingtons and cobble my own together. Remingtons are all equipped with Jewel triggers. My .22-250 barrels are 1:9" twist for the Barnes 50 grain Varmint Grenade. Cost between $1,500 and $2,000 plus the scope but has superior accuracy and allows for user interchangeable barrels.

dfletcher
10-23-2013, 9:56 AM
So long as the faster rate of twist can be had and with a "flexible" budget why not buy a Cooper? There are plenty of them floating around, their Varmint model versions are readily available off GB and Cabelas "Gun Library" shows a few too. If exactly what one wants isn't already made they'll make it for you. Available in wood, laminate or synthetic stock.

Just by way of example ....

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cooper-Model-22-22-250-Rem-Single-Shot-Varmint/1672745.uts?Ntk=GunLibrary&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch%2F%3FN%3D%26Ntk%3DG unLibrary%26Ntt%3Dcooper%26Ntx%3Dmode%252Bmatchall partial%26form_state%3DsearchForm%26recordsPerPage %3D60%26search%3Dcooper%26searchTypeByFilter%3DGun Library%26x%3D16%26y%3D6&Ntt=cooper

I don't know that extremely high magnification is required for coyotes. The Leupold VX II or VX III version in 6.5 to 20X or even 18X ought to be sufficient. And probably suitable for smaller varmints.

RugerNo1
10-23-2013, 6:30 PM
My 22-250 is a River No 1 that shot very well before the barrel started going south. The damn lead free bullets are a pain to get them shooting in a slow twist barrel. Try to find a bit faster twist barrel.

This chambering burns barrels if you shoot it a lot.

Bastard
10-23-2013, 6:42 PM
My 22-250 is a River No 1 that shot very well before the barrel started going south. The damn lead free bullets are a pain to get them shooting in a slow twist barrel. Try to find a bit faster twist barrel.

This chambering burns barrels if you shoot it a lot.


:threadjacked:
how quickly did you shoot the barrel out?

pennstater
10-23-2013, 7:11 PM
Gutpile66 and Wrangler John are on it! Which ever one you choose, you're gonna be very happy. That Sako might be pretty sweet deal. Wish i had my old Savage 112 FVS. Gads, that thing shot! Another 22-250 IS on the horizon. Searching as I type.

LynnJr
10-23-2013, 8:13 PM
If your a reloader look at the 22BR as well.It does everything a 22-250 does only better.

RugerNo1
10-24-2013, 7:13 PM
Bastard,

I have run my 22-250 on several hard afternoons on a large squirrel field. Shooting 75 to 100 rounds without letting the barrel cool does not help barrel life either. I'm at about 2300 based on my empty box collection.

milotrain
10-24-2013, 8:58 PM
Lynn,

Any reason why the .22 BR runs a LRP other than that the parent case is a .308? The Lapua small primer .308 worth using?

EDIT: nevermind, not using a .308 case.

jeffrice6
10-27-2013, 12:05 AM
I dig the old Rem 700 22-250

garchibek
10-31-2013, 11:04 AM
Does anyone have any experience with the Winchester Coyote light rifle in 22-250?

milotrain
10-31-2013, 2:50 PM
Does anyone have any experience with the Winchester Coyote light rifle in 22-250?

1:14
Way too slow for anything I'd want to do with it.

VooDooV
10-31-2013, 11:09 PM
I have a Ruger M77 in 22-250 She is really aggressive with 40gr - 50gr softpoints, But also works well with 52gr - 55gr.
Yes it gets hot if you don't pace it.

Also part of my flat line varminter collection is my Sako 17-223 using 20gr to 25gr rnds and a Rem 722 in 222 and she has a sweet spot with 35gr - 45gr softpoint rnds, None of these leave much of a pelt left.

Masterdebater
11-03-2013, 1:00 AM
FLAME SUIT ACTIVATED

i might catch some flak for this but im obviously abnormal in not buying into the hype of the 22-250. if i had to do it over again instead of a 223 for yotes, have you researched the 243 by any chance? any particular reason ud want a 22-250 over others? plenty of great varmint loads for 243 and especially if you reload. using almost the same powder charge and similar velocities and have a more versatile round.

last time we were out calling my buddy took his at 200 yards running full speed (had a noob hunter with us miss his shot and spooked the hound) with his 243 loaded with a 58 gr vmax bullet. tiny entrance and small exit wound through the neck.

DISCLAIMER: im NOT trying to stir any pot here just making a suggestion and im not a know it all, just throwing an idea out there for ya. dont over look the 243 for a great varmint round

russ69
11-03-2013, 10:33 AM
...not buying into the hype of the 22-250...dont over look the 243 for a great varmint round

I'm guessing it's for guys that like to really see the red mist. Yes, the 243 is a great long range varmint round, experts have been using it since it was invented for this very purpose.

milotrain
11-03-2013, 2:20 PM
I like keeping reloading components to a minimum. A bolt gun that is more capable at distance than a .223 but runs the same heavies I run in a service rifle is very attractive.

Shoot-it
11-04-2013, 5:43 AM
I would check gunbroker for a used Remington varmint special. They still have one the fastest lock times and there are generally one or two listed.. I have one in 243 and am looking for another to re-barrel to a 260.

I ahve had this set-up since the 70's

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/243IMG_5505.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/243IMG_5511.jpg

that is way to nice to even take it hunting dam!
op look into the American ruger's they have aluminum bedding blocks adjustable trigger box mag and shoot real well right out of the box.They are also easy on the pocket book.
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If you want something fancy get a tikka t-3.

garchibek
11-04-2013, 7:26 AM
I have a 243 that I have used for varmint but I am intrigued by the 22-250 even though it suffers from more wind drift at longer distances. Never hurts to have both in your arsenal...

Gutpile66
11-05-2013, 6:06 PM
FLAME SUIT ACTIVATED

i might catch some flak for this but im obviously abnormal in not buying into the hype of the 22-250. if i had to do it over again instead of a 223 for yotes, have you researched the 243 by any chance? any particular reason ud want a 22-250 over others? plenty of great varmint loads for 243 and especially if you reload. using almost the same powder charge and similar velocities and have a more versatile round.

last time we were out calling my buddy took his at 200 yards running full speed (had a noob hunter with us miss his shot and spooked the hound) with his 243 loaded with a 58 gr vmax bullet. tiny entrance and small exit wound through the neck.

DISCLAIMER: im NOT trying to stir any pot here just making a suggestion and im not a know it all, just throwing an idea out there for ya. dont over look the 243 for a great varmint round

This is not a bad suggestion for a one-size-fits-all rifle, however, if a hunter wants to go this route he/she may as well move up to a 25-06 or a .270 . . . something a lot more lethal (and ethical) on pigs and deer when using 100 to 120 gr. bullets. Recoil is about the same as a 243. I've seen yodeler-dogs shot with all of these calibers; the exit wounds are massive. That's why I switched to the 22-250 (I like to skin 'em and hang 'em in the garage).

milotrain
11-05-2013, 7:28 PM
In addition to a .22-250 I've always pined for a .25-06, seems a bit silly and odd both of which are things I love.

Masterdebater
11-06-2013, 11:37 AM
This is not a bad suggestion for a one-size-fits-all rifle, however, if a hunter wants to go this route he/she may as well move up to a 25-06 or a .270 . . . something a lot more lethal (and ethical) on pigs and deer when using 100 to 120 gr. bullets. Recoil is about the same as a 243. I've seen yodeler-dogs shot with all of these calibers; the exit wounds are massive. That's why I switched to the 22-250 (I like to skin 'em and hang 'em in the garage).

i have plenty of love for the 25-06 as an even more well rounded cartridge, the 243 has much more offerings as far as varminting