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monsterhook
10-15-2013, 10:58 PM
I hope this in the right place, and more importantly not already posted. I tried a quick search and found nothing.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/breaking-senate-strongly-rejects-un-arms-treaty-kills-chances-of-its-passing-in-foreseeable-future/

readysetgo
10-20-2013, 7:51 PM
From OP's link:Tuesday, a bipartisan group of 50 members of the U.S. Senate and 181 members of the U.S. House sent a clear message to President Barack Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry and the United Nations that the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty will not be ratified.

There was discussion about Kerry signing here: Kerry signs UN weapons ban (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=828480)

What I would like to know is, where in the heck can you find out who all signed the letters? Are the letters public record and published anywhere? Or should I just ask my congressman if he did or did not sign? I mean, link to the dang doc itself or somewhere to more thorough info news people!

From NRA's press release: Bipartisan Members of Congress Oppose U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/10/bipartisan-members-of-congress-oppose-un-arms-trade-treaty.aspx)
Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “On behalf of our 5 million members, the NRA would like to thank those who signed these letters for their principled stand in defending the Second Amendment freedoms of all law-abiding Americans.”

Umm.. Chris, how am I supposed to thank my congressman if I can't even figure out if he signed it?!?! :shrug:

stonefly-2
11-11-2013, 4:56 PM
From OP's link:

There was discussion about Kerry signing here: Kerry signs UN weapons ban (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=828480)

What I would like to know is, where in the heck can you find out who all signed the letters? Are the letters public record and published anywhere? Or should I just ask my congressman if he did or did not sign? I mean, link to the dang doc itself or somewhere to more thorough info news people!

From NRA's press release: Bipartisan Members of Congress Oppose U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/10/bipartisan-members-of-congress-oppose-un-arms-trade-treaty.aspx)

Umm.. Chris, how am I supposed to thank my congressman if I can't even figure out if he signed it?!?! :shrug:



you just need the right key words, try "list of traitors". seems obvious enough.


http://www.smithandwessonforums.com/forum/lounge/27153-list-traitors.html

a1c
11-11-2013, 5:06 PM
Well gee, there is a surprise.

As an FYI, and to put things in perspective, it is not the first (nor the last) time that the executive branch signs a treaty which is never ratified by Senate. The U.S. has signed dozens of treaties which were never ratified.

In fact, this is a strategy that has been used over and over again by various U.S. administrations to pander to the international community (or some part of the domestic electorate), knowing full well those treaties would never get to fruition (Kyoto, anyone?).

Remember also that signatories can retreat from a treaty. Canada did just that a couple of years ago for - again - the Kyoto protocol.

This is pandering as usual. This treaty never had a chance of getting ratified, and the Obama administration knew it full well.

Mitch
11-12-2013, 6:50 AM
Now maybe all the Chicken Littles will STFU about it.




Heh, who am I trying to kid?

VegasND
11-12-2013, 4:46 PM
The big problem with a signed treaty is that it's always out there and can be ratified any time in the future.

There should be a reasonable time limit where the treaty would just die.

7 days after the Executive signs it sounds reasonable to me.

ja308
11-22-2013, 1:09 AM
The big problem with a signed treaty is that it's always out there and can be ratified any time in the future.

There should be a reasonable time limit where the treaty would just die.

7 days after the Executive signs it sounds reasonable to me.

Your exactly right Sir ! Its a ticking time bomb for anytime the democrats get enough votes .

I'm reminded of the brilliant, beautiful pro gun sec of state appointed by George W Bush . Instead of the lovely Condoleeza Rice who would never dream of selling out her country by signing such a treaty, we get John Kerry !
Thank you democrats and those who stayed home .:facepalm: