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Diablito
10-12-2013, 7:34 AM
Hi all. I'm a hobby shooter and currently only own AR/SKS/AK and handguns which I use primarily in the desert for target shooting. I'd like to get something for longer range target shooting that will also work double duty for a hunting rifle. I don't have lots of surplus money so I'd like to keep it on the cheap side while not wasting money on junk. I'm currently leaning towards the Savage model 10FP-SR but I haven't found anything on using it as a hunting rifle, does that mean it is not desirable as a hunting rifle? I've never hunted or done long range target so I'm sorry if these are dumb questions.

WillyWilly
10-12-2013, 7:42 AM
Savage makes a great rifle. That may not be the best model for hunting.
Any particular reason you are looking at that model instead of others?
Many will recommend the Remington 700 platform for ease of customizing.

Diablito
10-12-2013, 8:01 AM
for accuracy at $700 price point the savage seems to beat out the remington 700 and the ruger american, the other rifles that i'm considering. Its still a toss up between the remington 700 and the savage model 10 , The only reason i'm leaning towards the savage is money. I'm primarly looking for a long range gun that I might take hunting a couple times.

hermosabeach
10-12-2013, 8:39 AM
You can always look for a used hunting rifle. Find a nice old rem 700 or model 70 that has decent optics


Long range and budget are not normally found in the same gun.
To have gear that let's you adjust from 600-1000+ meters is not cheap.

A nice used remington 700 and scope that let's you shoot out 100-500 can be found in a lot of places. Feeding the .308 with good ammo is also not cheap.

If you don't plan on buying imported surplus, you might expand you caliber range to include .243, .270 and 7 mag

Gem1950
10-12-2013, 8:59 AM
"Want a good all around .308 bolt"

Ruger GSR - There is a lot if info available about them. If you need to pay less they are frequently for sale barely used.

jp1911
10-12-2013, 9:00 AM
Nothing wrong with that Savage, I have the model 10 precision carbine. And a buddy of mine has the model 10 FCP McMillan. Both are tack drivers. They will serve your purpose well. I put a Primary Arms 4-14x44 Mil Mil scope on mine, great scope and won't break the bank. One thing I like about my Savage is it was already threaded for a muzzle break which makes a big difference with recoil.

But there is nothing wrong with buying used for your first rifle, just check it over really well.

Divernhunter
10-12-2013, 9:40 AM
Savage makes excellent rifles. Just do not pick too heavy of any brand rifle for hunting. It gets heavier as the day go along when carrying it.
Another one would be a Weatherby Vanguard(warr to shoot 1" or less)they are running $550 now.

Either of these are great rifles and cost less than the Rem.

ar15barrels
10-13-2013, 12:29 AM
Hunting rifles and longrange target rifles are just about opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to weight, accuracy and recoil.

Choose what's more important and build that rifle first.
Then build the other rifle for the other job you want to do.
A compromise will be bad at both tasks...

LCU1670
10-13-2013, 6:47 AM
I have a tc venture in 308 and is sub moa. Bought it at cabellas a few years ago for about $340.

Siberian23
10-13-2013, 7:27 AM
I agree with ar15 barrels. Target rifle is heavy bull barrel, soak up recoil and allow more shoots to be fired, both for your shoulder and for barrel heat. Hunting is a lighter weight setup, for packing around.

That said, you can setup a .308 to be able to plink at a few hundred yards and hunt with. A nice 3-9x scope will allow you to hunt and shoot out aways, as will a .308. Pretty much any of your big name rifles "should" be just fine, pick what feels comfortable and what you like the look of, just no pencil style lightweight barrels for desert target shooting.

Just remember that you can set up your rifle to do multiple things, but when you want it to do one type of shooting really well you compromise other aspects (namely weight and portability).

6mmintl
10-13-2013, 5:39 PM
don't know if your in bay area but Imbert and smithers in San Carlos has a 95% savage 110 .308 with a sightron 3x9 SII scope for $375.00

Scope alone is worth $260

Diablito
10-13-2013, 5:48 PM
Thanks guys. Long range target is more important to me than hunting at the moment. I have a good friend that just bought an AR10 and I want something that will out shoot it when we go out to the desert. Petty but important.

bombadillo
10-13-2013, 6:19 PM
Remington 5R mil-spec. I own one and it is a fantastic rifle. I would get one either cut down from 24" to whatever, or run a 20" with a brake. Its a PHENOMENAL shooter out of the box for me. Factory FGMM ammo is shooting half inch at 100 yards. I'm getting clover leaf 3 shot groups, and haven't had a chance to shoot over 100 with it yet. It is a 1k capable gun with the right load if you're looking for long range. Here's a shot of mine;


http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130423_082103_zps65f826a2.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130423_082122_zps8d25f45b.jpg

bombadillo
10-13-2013, 6:20 PM
I should take a new pic. Those rings were switched to the ultra low to get the scope at the right height, but you get the idea. :D

Bastard
10-13-2013, 6:58 PM
don't know if your in bay area but Imbert and smithers in San Carlos has a 95% savage 110 .308 with a sightron 3x9 SII scope for $375.00

Scope alone is worth $260

:confused: I was in there the other day & I failed to see that... I might have to wander back in there next week

russ69
10-13-2013, 7:48 PM
Nothing wrong with that Savage,..(Savage 10FP-SR)

It's a little heavy for hunting and a little light for long range but it will work fine for your purposes.

Kelster1574
10-17-2013, 6:43 PM
My Thompson Center Venture is SOLID......out of the box accuracy and a decent price....just my .02

TacticalPlinker
10-17-2013, 7:19 PM
When I was looking around to buy my .308 bolt action, I had it narrowed down to three specific rifles;

#1. Ruger American (approx $400)
#2. Remington 700 (approx $600-$700 and up)
#3. Ruger GunSite Scout (approx $800)

I ended up with the Ruger GSR. I like the feel and looks of the gun overall, I like the action, the stock, the iron sights, the weight, carbine 16" barrel, the removable magazine, and it can serve multiple purposes. It's versatile.

With the addition of a scope & bi-pod, you can shoot at distance (you can use a forward mounted scout style scope with long eye-relief or remove the rear iron sight and mount a traditional scope). With iron sights or even a red dot, you'll still be able to shoot further than you can see.

I also got mine on sale for little more than the Remington 700 I wanted at the time (can't remember which model).

Versatility was worth the additional cost.

'ol shooter
10-17-2013, 7:37 PM
The selling point for me on Savage is the ease of barrel swaps, making it versatile. By swapping barrels and if need be, the bolt nose, you can shoot a lot of calibers.

Diesel187
10-18-2013, 6:40 AM
Can't go wrong with the savage or the gunsite scout if your interested in versatility between hunting and BLM shooting go with the GSR but if you wanna shoot off of bags at the range out to 500+ go with the savage

Caneman
10-18-2013, 11:08 AM
Tikka T3, guanteed MOA out of the box with factory ammo

alfred1222
10-18-2013, 11:11 AM
The tikka is pretty cool, but honestly, nothing beats a 700. They made that gun perfect, and its amazingly customizable as you want more and more accuracy. The amount of stocks, barrels, bolts, and other features available for it are just out of this world

jlmurphy
10-18-2013, 11:24 AM
I have been shooting Long Range matches for about 10 years. Remington was the most popular rifle, but needed a lot of work to bring out it's potential. Since then Savage has become the most common rifle on the line. The Savage barrels can be changed easily, the trigger is good, and most importantly has a pinned bolt head that allows the lugs to seated 100% every time. With one action you can build multiple rifles.

bombadillo
10-18-2013, 12:31 PM
The tikka is pretty cool, but honestly, nothing beats a 700. They made that gun perfect, and its amazingly customizable as you want more and more accuracy. The amount of stocks, barrels, bolts, and other features available for it are just out of this world

I ended up with the Rem 700 for various reasons, but I would buy a Tikka Varmint .308 in a heartbeat. Most of the time, if you can shoot it I've seen them shoot 1/2moa with factory match ammo or handloads, their action is slicker than about any CUSTOM action I've personally felt. I've felt GAP rifles that felt like you were sliding 2 pieces of 1k grit sandpaper back and forth. Their action is quick, and the bolt throw is nice and short, as well as the smoothest as I said before. They make variations of HBAR, light barrel, Sporter is awesome, and they make plenty of stocks, chassis, and other goodies that you would want to do. Most folks wouldn't want to re-barrel their gun because they shoot so well to begin with. I've never found a lack of parts for Tikkas as have been claimed by others. Hope this helps. Check out Tikka, Savage, and Remington. Tikka T3 Varmint will be my next .308 purchase.

Merc1138
10-18-2013, 1:01 PM
I ended up with the Rem 700 for various reasons, but I would buy a Tikka Varmint .308 in a heartbeat. Most of the time, if you can shoot it I've seen them shoot 1/2moa with factory match ammo or handloads, their action is slicker than about any CUSTOM action I've personally felt. I've felt GAP rifles that felt like you were sliding 2 pieces of 1k grit sandpaper back and forth. Their action is quick, and the bolt throw is nice and short, as well as the smoothest as I said before. They make variations of HBAR, light barrel, Sporter is awesome, and they make plenty of stocks, chassis, and other goodies that you would want to do. Most folks wouldn't want to re-barrel their gun because they shoot so well to begin with. I've never found a lack of parts for Tikkas as have been claimed by others. Hope this helps. Check out Tikka, Savage, and Remington. Tikka T3 Varmint will be my next .308 purchase.

Yeah, unless you're going for a completely custom build, get a Tikka. If you are going for a completely custom build, no point in buying a remington 700. There are plenty of stocks available, scope rails are limited(but honestly how many do you need), there's the jard trigger if the factory isn't good enough for you, and you can still use any barrel blank you want if you want to get it re-barreled later.

Honestly, most of the aftermarket for the 700 is replacement parts, or redundant(just how many synthetic hunting stocks do you need?).

Now if there's some very specific remington 700 only chassis or something you want, then get the 700.

bombadillo
10-18-2013, 1:41 PM
http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/gaprec1x750.jpg


I could get into building a custom gun off an action like this, but you wouldn't HAVE to with a Tikka. If you're going for action, bartlein barrel, Jard/Jewell/Timney trigger, custom parts, and a chasssis with brake and more, go this route. If you want a REALLY good gun out of the box, grab a Tikka, and mod away although you won't NEED to do anything to make it shoot better.

desert dog
10-18-2013, 3:10 PM
Get a hunting rifle to hunt with and a precision rifle to shoot for fun.

A good hunting rifle is cheap. My 700XCR lightweight 30-06 in a manners EH stock has taken game in 3 countries and 6 states. I have less into this gun, total, than a single scope on one of my precision rifles. Hunting is 99% hunter and 1% gun. You want it light and rugged.

A precision rifle can be cheap if you just want to ring steel at distance for fun, but can be one of the most expensive hobbies in existence if you want to get serious. A sub MOA gun is important here, but for ringing steel at 1000 yards, glass is WAY more important than the difference between a $1000 rifle and a $6000 rifle. A Cheap Chinese scope will not have the capability in turret and reticle accuracy to make and range first/second-round hits at that distance.

Do a search and you will find that most people who buy a $750 Rem 700sps tactical get better than 1moa right out of the box. Put on a decent stock like a Medalist M40 for under $300 and the groups tighten up even more. Buy quality Badger rings and base for consistency. If you hate the factory adjustable trigger, spend $100 on a Timney. Add good glass and you will have a rifle that will take you a very long time to meet the accuracy potential of.

Once you get training and a lot of time behind the gun, you may get to the point where you can take advantage of the rifle's full accuracy potential (could take years). Most people never get close to this point because they lose interest, never get the proper training, or just don't shoot enough. But if you do get to that point, it would be prudent to upgrade to a TRG, AI, or custom rifle. By that time, you would have already invested in chronos, loading equipment, ballistic calculators, targets, rests, cleaning equipment, training, range finders, spotting scopes, and top-notch glass; so adding a more expensive rifle is no big deal in the overall perspective :D

ar15barrels
10-18-2013, 7:29 PM
[QUOTE=jlmurphy;12569114]I have been shooting Long Range matches for about 10 years. Remington was the most popular rifle, but needed a lot of work to bring out it's potential. Since then Savage has become the most common rifle on the line./QUOTE]

Sounds like slowfire F-Class shooting because we only see newbies using a savage on most precision/tactical rifle matches.

HermanH
10-18-2013, 7:31 PM
I'm looking into this and found a pair of T3 Lites in .308:

A left hand SS for $734.95 and
a Right hand Blue for $574.95.

Just to mix things up, I also saw a Rem 700 VSF for $826.95.

just have to go over and take a look. All of them look good but I want something that I don't have to heavily modify.

bombadillo
10-18-2013, 8:32 PM
I'm looking into this and found a pair of T3 Lites in .308:

A left hand SS for $734.95 and
a Right hand Blue for $574.95.

Just to mix things up, I also saw a Rem 700 VSF for $826.95.

just have to go over and take a look. All of them look good but I want something that I don't have to heavily modify.


When you're ready to go, here ya go: http://www.eurooptic.com/tikka-t3-rifles.aspx

These guys are top notch folks. I have dealt with them for awhile and they really only deal in higher end gear. From rings, to bases, to rifles themselves, they are top of the line in all they do. Hope this helps you.

bombadillo
10-18-2013, 8:37 PM
And go for the T3 Sporter 24" .308. Incredible gun all around for $1500. You can't beat it.

LCpl Kutches
10-20-2013, 5:45 PM
Remington 788 chambered in .308 is your best bet. I purchased mine for $250.00 and it is rumored to shoot very accurate.

Caneman
10-22-2013, 8:58 AM
the Tikka barrel is the very same barrel used in the Sako (same company makes both), so for less than half the price you get the same accurate barrel, smooth action, and crisp adjustable trigger

Sutcliffe
10-22-2013, 9:20 AM
Shoot it a while and then decide what works best for you. Any moron can upgrade a savage/steven's platform.

ar15barrels
10-22-2013, 9:23 AM
Any moron can upgrade a savage/steven's platform.

Saving this for later while taking note of who would actually own a savage/stevens...

Springfield45
10-22-2013, 6:06 PM
I like the Savage rifles. I have both in 308. The Model 10LE heavy barrel with McMillin stock and the Model 11 hunting rifle. What ever you spend on the rifle you should spend on the scope and you will never be sorry you did.

Raralith
10-22-2013, 7:43 PM
I'd consider getting two used rifles, a Remington 700 bull barrel for long distance target shooting, and a Stevens Model 200 for hunting. I honestly could not imagine lugging around my 700 with a short 20" barrel for hunting because that's way too much weight.

californa
10-22-2013, 11:46 PM
Have you considered the new mossberg MVP in 308. The come with a dpms detachable magazune and a bull barrel 18.5 inch inch barrel. Weights about 6-7 pounds. This is what I am considering for my next gun plus price is about $550. http://wethearmed.com/rifles/mossberg-mvp-patrol-308-so-much-want/#

bombadillo
10-23-2013, 7:16 AM
If the MVP would ever come out in .308 a LOT of people would be happy.

ar15barrels
10-23-2013, 8:54 AM
If the MVP would ever come out in .308 a LOT of people would be happy.

Place your backorder:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=27738

H2H
10-23-2013, 8:58 AM
Saving this for later while taking note of who would actually own a savage/stevens...

LMAO ;)

bombadillo
10-23-2013, 1:53 PM
Place your backorder:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=27738

Heck no, I want one with a 20" barrel, and laminate stock. I have been waitng for that combo, and it is supposed to come out this year, but i bet it will be longer.

AlliedArmory
11-03-2013, 2:10 AM
I have only owned a R700 and Tikka T3, both in 308.

Out of the box, the Tikka blows the R700 out of the water. Better trigger, better finish, much smoother action & more accurate.

LoneWolf_052713
11-03-2013, 6:50 AM
I run a rebuilt from the bottom up Savage Axis. If you think a Savage won't shoot you must be a Remi Snob! (nothing against remington guys) It's just that I know even Savages cheapest rifle is buildable and is a sub 1/2 MOA gun to boot!

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a510/PJ0527/IMAG0389_zps1b3448a3.jpg

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a510/PJ0527/IMAG0391_zps6bb67c9d.jpg

Parts List:

Savage Axis SR .308 Base
SSS Axis Pro Tac Stock
McGowan 26in SS 1 in 10 twist Varmint Contour
Rifle Basix SAV-1 Trigger @ 1.5lbs
SWFA SS 10x42 in SWFA Low Rings
EGW 20MOA Rail
D.D. Ross Tactical Bolt Knob
Custom 10Rds Magazine
Harris 9-13" SLM Notched Leg Bipod
Rattle Can Camo Job by me.

All tied up about $1000 into it after reselling the take off parts.

desert dog
11-03-2013, 8:32 AM
Saving this for later while taking note of who would actually own a savage/stevens...

:smilielol5:

morepoop4u
11-03-2013, 10:51 AM
I run a rebuilt from the bottom up Savage Axis. If you think a Savage won't shoot you must be a Remi Snob! (nothing against remington guys) It's just that I know even Savages cheapest rifle is buildable and is a sub 1/2 MOA gun to boot!

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a510/PJ0527/IMAG0389_zps1b3448a3.jpg

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a510/PJ0527/IMAG0391_zps6bb67c9d.jpg

Parts List:

Savage Axis SR .308 Base
SSS Axis Pro Tac Stock
McGowan 26in SS 1 in 10 twist Varmint Contour
Rifle Basix SAV-1 Trigger @ 1.5lbs
SWFA SS 10x42 in SWFA Low Rings
EGW 20MOA Rail
D.D. Ross Tactical Bolt Knob
Custom 10Rds Magazine
Harris 9-13" SLM Notched Leg Bipod
Rattle Can Camo Job by me.

All tied up about $1000 into it after reselling the take off parts.

is that a hk g3 mag lol

LoneWolf_052713
11-03-2013, 1:06 PM
Gets the job done.

Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk 2

Jimmy310
11-03-2013, 1:17 PM
Im surprised nobody mentioned Howa

twolane
11-03-2013, 6:25 PM
Never ordered from these guys but..

$515 for the MVP in 308. ETA 11/30
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=116223

and 300blkout
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=116225

edit: very poor customer reviews out there. Shop with caution!

ireload
11-04-2013, 4:08 PM
I would settle for the Savage Hog Hunter .308 cal. Accuracy and hunting attributes in one rifle. Decently priced too.

LoneWolf_052713
11-05-2013, 4:59 AM
I would settle for the Savage Hog Hunter .308 cal. Accuracy and hunting attributes in one rifle. Decently priced too.

+1 A lot of guys are seeing great groups even with factory ammo.

cantcme
11-05-2013, 5:18 AM
Take 5 Remingtons, 5 Tikkas and 5 Savages of comparable models right off the shelf (no mods at all) and have 3 different skilled shooters shoot 5 shot groups with each of the rifles. Which gun do you think will come in last?

desert dog
11-05-2013, 7:30 AM
Take 5 Remingtons, 5 Tikkas and 5 Savages of comparable models right off the shelf (no mods at all) and have 3 different skilled shooters shoot 5 shot groups with each of the rifles. Which gun do you think will come in last?

Usually the savage, but only because quality is so inconsistent. The good ones are very good, the bad ones are bad. Out of 5, you are bound to have one that will skew the results.

I have had 50/50 experiences with the half dozen I have owned. There are numerous threads on Snipershide that indicate this as well. Two of mine had horrible chatter marks in the barrel and messed up crowns. I cut and recrowned and found out that the barrel bores were severely off-center; Savage did fix those rifles for me without even asking a question. Apparently, this is pretty common. Another one would not shoot consistent groups, so I kept it and changed to a Krieger barrel which made it a .50" gun. I took it to a precision rifle class in Arizona and had nothing but problems; the trigger would sometimes lock when I ran the bolt fast while running drills. I called Savage and was told that this was part of the safety system of the accutrigger and to stop doing rapid bolt manipulations! Savage does have the advantage of home-gunsmithing though.

Remington quality is a little more consistent than Savage, but IMO their customer service is lacking if you do get a problem rifle. The 700 has proven itself reliable in every battlefield on the planet for half a century, so the design is sound. But they have gained a reputation for poor customer service.

Remington accuracy out of the same barrel profile as the savage will be pretty much the same with good examples of both guns. They both tend to like different ammo between factory barrels.

The Tikka off the shelf will do the best and have great quality, but you will not get many opportunities to improve upon it. With a little work, the Rem and Savage can be made better than the Tikka. And you are limited to very few aftermarket stocks and parts with the Tikka. Usually a cheap new barrel on a Rem or Savage will have you outshooting the Tikka.

So if you are buying a rifle and plan to keep it factory forever, the Tikka is the clear winner. Want to upgrade the rifle as funds permit, then the Rem or Savage will be better in the long run.

But on accuracy, let me say this; Good examples of all 3 rifles will shoot sub MOA off the shelf, so we are not talking major differences here. Matter of fact, I doubt that 90% of the folks on calguns can actually utilize the accuracy potential of any of these rifles.

shooterfpga
11-05-2013, 7:59 AM
Savage, they are dang accurate out of box, enough to make you look like a good shooter. Little side story from this past weekend.

My girlfriend is very new to guns, shes shot my weapons here recently but has maybe less than a hundred rounds under her belt and thats pushing it. I put a copenhagen dip can at 150yds using my savage 10 and max magnification of 10x. She was behind the gun and checking her target less than 15 seconds before she fired off a round that hit dead center of the can. That is the furthest shes shot to date and nailed it no blinking. I do not shoot with bags just a bipod and thats just how she shot it.

HermanH
11-06-2013, 9:50 AM
Just got my Remmington VSF out of jail last week. Can't wait to shoot it. The Tikka's listed were all sold out but this rifle is just sexy. I've cycled some rounds through it just for functional testing. Feed and eject - check.

Scope mounts are on and should be getting my scope this weekend if all goes well.

rambutan316
11-06-2013, 11:50 AM
I would go with a gunsite scout for versatility.

deadcoyote
11-06-2013, 12:02 PM
I've had better luck with Savage than Remington personally. I had an old 10FP in .308 pre accustock and it was a tack driver. Used it on some long range goat shoots but it was real heavy to lug around. If you're a decent shot the Savage Scout with a 7x EER scope can still reach out to 350 or 400 accurately.

I would also recommend you look at the hog hunter. Fair price and looks like a decent rig.

sjb269
11-07-2013, 2:09 PM
Only a fool drunk on stupidity would utter Ruger Gunsite and Precision in the same breath. Skip the Gunsite Scout!
As a Hobbyist shooter, The Savages will out shoot you and, if the shooters behind the rifle are equal, any AR 10 platform out there. Savage Precision Carbine in .308 1 in10 twist shooting FGMM 175s or 168s. is my pic. But your gonna have to commit to the Match grade ammo.
Put respectable glass on it to make hits out to 800 yards. Top quality one piece steel 20 MOA base and quality rings too. Don't skimp in this area, you will regret it.

TMB 1
11-07-2013, 4:32 PM
Only a fool drunk on stupidity would utter Ruger Gunsite and Precision in the same breath. Skip the Gunsite Scout!
As a Hobbyist shooter, The Savages will out shoot you and, if the shooters behind the rifle are equal, any AR 10 platform out there. Savage Precision Carbine in .308 1 in10 twist shooting FGMM 175s or 168s. is my pic. But your gonna have to commit to the Match grade ammo.
Put respectable glass on it to make hits out to 800 yards. Top quality one piece steel 20 MOA base and quality rings too. Don't skimp in this area, you will regret it.

IDK I seen a guy at the range being pretty precise with a Ruger Gunsite Scout.

Gem1950
11-07-2013, 5:25 PM
Only a fool drunk on stupidity would utter Ruger Gunsite and Precision in the same breath. Skip the Gunsite Scout!
As a Hobbyist shooter, The Savages will out shoot you and, if the shooters behind the rifle are equal, any AR 10 platform out there. Savage Precision Carbine in .308 1 in10 twist shooting FGMM 175s or 168s. is my pic. But your gonna have to commit to the Match grade ammo.
Put respectable glass on it to make hits out to 800 yards. Top quality one piece steel 20 MOA base and quality rings too. Don't skimp in this area, you will regret it.

Is this a precision rifle thread? The OP mentioned long range shooting (whatever that meant) and hunting (for what, we don't know). Sounds to me like he's looking for a practical, all purpose, not too expensive rifle.

shooterfpga
11-07-2013, 5:37 PM
Those rugers and hog hunters seem to be the rage. Lotta guys sayin theyre dang accurate and its pretty multi purpose.

Cowboy T
11-07-2013, 6:42 PM
Very few mentions here for the Winchester Model 70's. Any particular reason? Are they just not that good? I've seen some USRAC-made guns going for what looks like pretty good prices, $400's and such.

sjb269
11-07-2013, 7:25 PM
OP wants a rifle that will outshoot an AR10 style rifle while shooting "long range targets". I read that to mean distances farther than a typical .223 carbine will reach. A Ruger Gunsite Scout will simply not accomplish that with any regularity.
Why wouldn't someone seek the best precision they can out of a rifle purchase? Especially when that accuracy can be had for far cheaper than the RGS rifle?

NastyNate
11-07-2013, 7:27 PM
I love my R700!

Coyotegunner
11-07-2013, 8:05 PM
Owning several rifles.Heavy,light,blued,parkerized,stainless,well you get the idea.At least 8 manufacturers.
For hunting,I like my Tikkas,Sakos and Browning ABolts.They are light,accurate and reasonable to buy.
For bench guns,my Remingtons,Savages are great.
All around favorite for a little of both is a Remington with a light stainless,fluted barrel or one of my Howas in stainless with the Christensen carbon fiber barrels.
Weatherbys in the ultralite or heavier accumark are great also.
I can go on for awhile about this.
Rugers have always been at the bottom of my list.Never seen one win any match.Although recently I have picked the Americans up in 22-250 and 308.A Savage Axis in 223 popped up also.
My wife was shooting quarter size groups today with the Savage at 100 yds.I say quarter and did not measure.Bad,OK she was picking off 12 gauge shotgun shells shooting at the bottom of them.But then again she can do it with a $200 Marlin 17HMR.
My 2 cents.Buy a gun that you like,not what everyone is into.Work with it,learn to reload and for God sake get a very good optic package.

If you are in the high desert.PM me.I have the Savage 10 you mentioned as well as a older Rem Police.We can talk more looking over the rifle art.

CSACANNONEER
11-07-2013, 8:22 PM
Time for a shameless plug:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=848675

I'm actually going with a Rem 700 BDL in .270 for a new hunting rifle and a more expensive 700 with a lot of upgrades including a NXS.