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Timberwolf
01-22-2008, 2:38 PM
This past weekend we had days one and two of PRC II. The first day was held on BLM land near Tehachapi and the second day was held at A Place to Shoot in Saugus.

The goal of day one was for everyone involved to get “hard dope” for the rifles out to at least 600 yards. “Hard dope” is the actual corrections necessary for ones rifle for the various yards as opposed to that obtained through ballistics programs, which can and often do, vary in their accuracy. The reasons behind this were so that the students could get actual hands on dope for their rifles out to the 600 yard mark which is often very hard to do in So Cal and to use in later portions of the class when a mid range zero is dialed in and then targets are engaged at distances of 100 - 800 yards using hold under / over.

During this first day, after additional surveying of the area for target locations, the student started by obtaining a solid 100 yard zero using 1” dots. From there the target stand was moved to 200 yards where the students again obtained their zeros. During the phase it became obvious that we were not going to be able to spot the hits on paper any farther out due mainly to mirage and the light conditions so the decision was made to have steel targets for the remaining of the exercise that were size appropriate for the range. By the end of the first day, all students were able to record dope for 100, 200, 300, 400 and 660 yards (there was no good location for a 500-yard target from our firing position).

The second day of the class was spent for the most part with position shooting with a sling wherein the proper sling usage for the four basic positions was demonstrated then practiced by the students first in dry firing then live fire. The class started with the prone position, progressed into kneeling, sitting and ending with standing. The students started with 3” targets in prone, but were soon shooting groups of around 1.0 to 1.5”. In sitting and kneeling 5.5” Shoot n Sees were used which the students had no trouble hitting to the point I contemplated changing over to 3” dots to challenge their new found skills. In standing we switched to 8” targets. The class ended with demonstrations and practice of improvised positions such as “buddy shooting” and side prone.

The third class will be sometime in either February or March on a date yet to be determined. In this class, the students will be faced with numerous challenges where the skill previously learned will be brought to bear along with some additional skills, which will be acquired during the day.

wildcard
01-22-2008, 3:00 PM
If my memory is correct.. 660 yards actually :)

Timberwolf
01-22-2008, 3:03 PM
You'd be correct - I've edited it

rksimple
01-23-2008, 6:13 AM
I had a good time. Look forward to day 3.

PistolPete75
01-23-2008, 8:33 AM
hopefully i'll be in all mills by then.

rksimple
01-23-2008, 8:42 AM
hopefully i'll be in all mills by then.

I hope to at least have my rifle by then! The S&B may take from 2 weeks to 3 months to get. No word from germany...

wildcard
01-23-2008, 8:47 AM
Hopefully i'll have my 6.5 ready to go by then.

But more than likely, I'll have the exact same up i've been shooting all along :)

hypertex
01-23-2008, 9:43 AM
Hopefully I'll have my scope tightened up by then - LOL :)

PistolPete75
01-23-2008, 12:30 PM
oh my. my uso is done. just need to figure out how to come up with 1.5k

wildcard
01-23-2008, 12:36 PM
Nice! Can't wait to see it! You going to Brea to pick it up or having it shipped? Step up your hustle and get that 1.5K!

PistolPete75
01-23-2008, 12:59 PM
charged it with zero percent interest till may. got it coming my way.

wildcard
01-23-2008, 2:18 PM
Always working the system :)

PistolPete75
01-23-2008, 3:24 PM
i'm starting to think that when i build #2 that i will sell it off. all i really need is 1 rifle in .308 anyone looking for a .308 match rifle?

wildcard
01-23-2008, 3:32 PM
i'm starting to think that when i build #2 that i will sell it off. all i really need is 1 rifle in .308 anyone looking for a .308 match rifle?

Why not sell #2 and just keep #1? What crazy plans you got for #2? :D

PistolPete75
01-23-2008, 3:43 PM
my inventory will consist of 2 700 sa, 2 mike rock barrels in .308, 1 hs stock, 1 badger base, 1 warner base, and 1 timney trigger. this what i have extra. i'm thinking of using 1 700 sa, and throw one of the barrels on it with a cloned thruster brake, timney trigger, and base with my mark 4 scope. i'll put this in my safe as my back up. i'll still have enough parts for 1 full build which i'll reallly have no use for. it'll be a 700 sa trued, bolt trued, holland recoil lug pinned and trued, rock barrel m24 1:11 twist .308 match chamber with counterbore, custom brake, 20 moa base, new hs stock, custom tactical bolt mod, and timney trigger. all parts will be brand new except for the action and bolt being remachined and refinished in duracoat. thinking of selling this for $1,700. do you think someone would buy it with a all day, hot barrel 1/2moa garanty? if not, i'll have three rifles in .308

ar15barrels
01-23-2008, 8:34 PM
If my memory is correct.. 660 yards actually :)

Except for those of us that were shooting the 835yd rock after sunset. ;)

PistolPete75
01-23-2008, 8:50 PM
the rock was about 935yards actually. the 835yard was the 1/2 moa steel target. it's harder to shoot the steel than the rock. the 935yard rock is about 2-2 1/2 moa.

ar15barrels
01-23-2008, 9:05 PM
the rock was about 935yards actually. the 835yard was the 1/2 moa steel target. it's harder to shoot the steel than the rock. the 935yard rock is about 2-2 1/2 moa.

Which rock?
What steel target at 835?
I lased the rock Bruno and I were tapping several times at 835.
We both milled it to be 1.0mil wide/tall and laser confirms 835 so it should be about 30" wide.

This rock looked like it was a fist reaching out of the hillside at an angle, not like some simple round rock just sitting there.

wildcard
01-23-2008, 9:23 PM
Except for those of us that were shooting the 835yd rock after sunset. ;)

Would have loved to join.. but I just don't have the insulation to survive in those icy cold conditions ;)

ar15barrels
01-23-2008, 9:27 PM
Would have loved to join.. but I just don't have the insulation to survive in those icy cold conditions

You could have layed on my nice warm blankie. ;)

Vu 308
01-24-2008, 6:47 AM
the rock was about 935yards actually. the 835yard was the 1/2 moa steel target. it's harder to shoot the steel than the rock. the 935yard rock is about 2-2 1/2 moa.


You guys were pounding a 4.5" plate at 835yards? That's impressive.

20" Rock at 935yards is also as impressive in field conditions.

308s?

rksimple
01-24-2008, 8:04 AM
You guys were pounding a 4.5" plate at 835yards? That's impressive.

20" Rock at 935yards is also as impressive in field conditions.

308s?

One 8mm mag but the rest 308's. Its always field conditions for us...we don't have manicured greens to shoot from!:D

ar15barrels
01-24-2008, 8:33 AM
You guys were pounding a 4.5" plate at 835yards?

They are fibbing about the 4.5" plate at 835.
I was there until the last shots were fired and never saw it.

hypertex
01-24-2008, 8:36 AM
Gotta love that nice skinny barrel!

PistolPete75
01-24-2008, 8:36 AM
re: 4 inch plate, no fibbing here.

i'll show you next time. it's next to a bush. very small steel target, 1/2 moa size. it's about 4 inches wide. you gotta be dead on with your wind, or you'll miss. in the morning, it took my fifth shot to hit it. then in the late afternoon, i went 50%, 2 out of 4. i woudn't call it pounding, but i hit it pretty dam well. in 5-10mph conditions it's not bad.

wildcard
01-24-2008, 8:36 AM
They are fibbing about the 4.5" plate at 835.
I was there until the last shots were fired and never saw it.

Haha. It's there. I should know.. I helped pound the stake into the ground. It was put up there a week before the class and would be hard to see unless you either put it there or looked for the dirt/ bullet splashing during the action.

ar15barrels
01-24-2008, 8:38 AM
Haha. It's there. I should know.. I helped pound the stake into the ground. It was put up there a week before the class and would be hard to see unless you either put it there or looked for the dirt/ bullet splashing during the action.

How come nobody ever told me where it was?

PistolPete75
01-24-2008, 8:43 AM
i talked about it when i was there. ryan saw it. jason and joe knew about it. joe made it a few weeks ago, and we left it there.

wildcard
01-24-2008, 8:48 AM
How come nobody ever told me where it was?

We shot at it before the class as we waited for people to arrive. Then by the end of the class when we had time to pick random targets, I think we were trying to stay warm.. heck.. I packed up and sat in the heated car :)

rksimple
01-24-2008, 9:07 AM
The target isn't there anymore. When we went up to get the targets, Joe grabbed it to put it a little closer and in an area where misses would be readily visible.

Randall-you should have seen it...especially with that IOR! It was painted yellow and red and was right along the road up there. It was a healthy shot.

ar15barrels
01-24-2008, 9:24 AM
We shot at it before the class as we waited for people to arrive.

Over on the right where the caltrans crew was clearing brush in the morning, or over on the left from the sand trap?

ar15barrels
01-24-2008, 9:26 AM
Randall-you should have seen it...especially with that IOR!
It was painted yellow and red and was right along the road up there.

I did not know to look for it.
Bruno and I were looking for long shots at the end with good clearings in case we needed to spot misses.
Maybe it was not visible from my blanket with the big bush right in front of us at 5 yards.

rksimple
01-24-2008, 11:16 AM
Maybe it was not visible from my blanket with the big bush right in front of us at 5 yards.

That may be the case. Next time we all get together out there we'll have more steel. We can set it up where its visible from any spot on the line.

Vu 308
01-24-2008, 4:41 PM
One 8mm mag but the rest 308's. Its always field conditions for us...we don't have manicured greens to shoot from!:D

LOL LOL...all you guys from so cal think we have it SOOOOOOOOOO easy up north.

So when are you guys going to make it up for a match? I will make sure we have extra golf carts ready to go. :D

rksimple
01-24-2008, 4:52 PM
LOL LOL...all you guys from so cal think we have it SOOOOOOOOOO easy up north.

So when are you guys going to make it up for a match? I will make sure we have extra golf carts ready to go. :D

Just givin' ya a hard time. I went to sac valley a few times when I was going to school up there. Aren't a couple of the berms pretty "course" gravel? Its been a while.

Vu 308
01-24-2008, 6:23 PM
Rksimple,

All our firing lines, 200, 300, 500, 600, 800, 900, 1K are gravel.

And the 1K line is shaded LOL.

PistolPete75
01-24-2008, 6:26 PM
LOL LOL...all you guys from so cal think we have it SOOOOOOOOOO easy up north.

So when are you guys going to make it up for a match? I will make sure we have extra golf carts ready to go. :D


golf carts would be pimp. get em ready for me.

wildcard
01-24-2008, 6:40 PM
LOL LOL...all you guys from so cal think we have it SOOOOOOOOOO easy up north.

So when are you guys going to make it up for a match? I will make sure we have extra golf carts ready to go. :D

See you at the Vegas Match in 9 days :)

Vu 308
01-24-2008, 8:31 PM
golf carts would be pimp. get em ready for me.

Golf cart with chrome spinners rims. LOL

See you guys in Vegas. Looking forward to seeing old faces and meeting some new folks.

Vu

Timberwolf
01-24-2008, 8:46 PM
Vu - when you gonna come down and "shoot in the dirt" or the mud as the case may be?

Anyway I've got some ideas for the North / South shoot and a venue - PM me your number or I'll do the same as emails will be way to lengthy.

Vu 308
01-25-2008, 6:34 PM
Twolf, PM sent.

I am really trying to get down there. With the NorCal club in full swing and we are already working on the big match in August things have been busy. I need to rally some of my guys for a road trip though.

Cant wait to hear what you got planned.

Vu