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hawk1
01-22-2008, 10:26 AM
Just hearing now that he is quitting the race. What a loser...:confused:

Hopi
01-22-2008, 10:27 AM
Damn. He just never looked like he had the enthusiasm to sell himself. Maybe he would make a great VP.....

berto
01-22-2008, 10:41 AM
And Huck's running out of money. Looks like McCain vs. Romney unless Rooooody starts pulling rabbits out.

Ol Fred sounded good but waited too long to get in and never acted like he wanted to be in.

mothergreen
01-22-2008, 10:46 AM
:eek: were gonna be stuck with a dem :mad:

SemiAutoSam
01-22-2008, 10:47 AM
Yep say goodnight Fred.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR2008012102169.html?hpid=topnews

Too bad actually you had about 60 calgunners pulling for him.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=82331&highlight=Fred

bwiese
01-22-2008, 10:57 AM
Too bad. Fred was a good guy w/generally right ideas.

His campaign needed to be more aggressive, I think he was trying to appear as a high-minded gentleman staying out of the catfight.

It's probably gonna be Romney.

troyus
01-22-2008, 11:04 AM
Bweise you want to bet on that? McCain will take it.

But... I will vote for Ron Paul till the end! :D

Shane916
01-22-2008, 11:08 AM
The official word:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22786860/?GT1=10757

bwiese
01-22-2008, 11:23 AM
Bweise you want to bet on that? McCain will take it.

But... I will vote for Ron Paul till the end! :D


Not sure McCain has enough $$ even with velocity.

caduckgunner
01-22-2008, 11:24 AM
Who an I going to vote for now? :(

bwiese
01-22-2008, 11:30 AM
Who an I going to vote for now? :(

When the general election comes up, anyone left standing opposing the Hilldog.

troyus
01-22-2008, 11:31 AM
Not sure McCain has enough $$ even with velocity.

I'll go one step further and say it doesn't really matter WHO wins because there won't be enough republican turnout in the primary due to disappointment with the neo-con performance of the last 8 years.

MAYBE if Hillary wins.... Hillary is their only hope... lol. If Obama gets the nomination it is all over for the Republicans.

mk19
01-22-2008, 11:36 AM
Well guys since Fred is out, can we get your votes for a real 2a supporter, RON PAUL? give me a a HELL YEAH!!!!!!!

bwiese
01-22-2008, 11:37 AM
I'll go one step further and say it doesn't really matter WHO wins because there won't be enough republican turnout in the primary due to disappointment with the neo-con performance of the last 8 years.

MAYBE if Hillary wins.... Hillary is their only hope... lol. If Obama gets the nomination it is all over for the Republicans.

You think R's are so disillusioned they'll either vote for Obama, or not go to polls for him?

Bwaah, that's a very naive juvenile bit of thinking.

Obama's policies are not different enough from the Hilldog's (perhaps even worse, though Obama's personally likeable enough that he doesn't have the Hilldog hatred factor) that any R would vote for either.

There will be enough fear factor from the left that any person of attainment, any person with a home or anyone few bucks saved or anyone worried about their business will not vote for a socialist.

Hopi
01-22-2008, 11:43 AM
When the general election comes up, anyone left standing opposing the Hilldog.

+1....that will be the time to rally together

Fate
01-22-2008, 11:44 AM
"I'm thinking about running..." (excitement)
"I'm REALLY thinking about running..." (anticipation)
"I'm really close to announcing about running..." (salivation)
"I'm really, REALLY close to announcing about running..." (pre-climax)
"I'm running!" (WOOHOOOO)

"I will win South Carolina first and then the Nomination!" :: crickets ::
:: crickets ::

"I'm quitting!" (so not surprised!)

ptoguy2002
01-22-2008, 12:07 PM
I hate to say it, as I was preparted to vote for Fred, but its probably a good thing in the end. He was taking away votes that otherwise would have went to Mccain or Paul. I also hate to say this, but Paul doesn't really have a chance in hell, and in my logic, its best for him to pull out so votes can go to people that really have a chance for the repub nomination.

Now in the end though, with Fred gone, its going to be the lesser of the evils.

DedEye
01-22-2008, 12:13 PM
Not sure McCain has enough $$ even with velocity.

I'm really hoping it's McCain. I'd definitely vote for him over Hilldog and most likely over Obama or Edwards.

xrMike
01-22-2008, 12:24 PM
Who an I going to vote for now? :(It doesn't matter who you vote for because the state's electoral votes will go for the Dems. Any vote for a Republican is a wasted vote.

Josh3239
01-22-2008, 12:39 PM
Looks like everyone up there will be giving amnesty to illegals then, @#$&.

Hopi
01-22-2008, 12:42 PM
Looks like everyone up there will be giving amnesty to illegals then, @#$&.

To give amnesty, one must first concede that the offender has committed an illegal or immoral act......most Dems and some Repubs. can't concede that fact, consequently they have the luxury of denying that they support "amnesty".....tricky.....

Josh3239
01-22-2008, 12:53 PM
Well according to McCain and Guiliani they have to pay a fine and then apply to be citizens and while waiting they get to live here illegally to "repair" their illegal act... but its not amnesty :rolleyes:

Soldier415
01-22-2008, 1:08 PM
Looks like i'm out of a campaign job now...

We had a good run though

Hopi
01-22-2008, 1:10 PM
Looks like i'm out of a campaign job now...

We had a good run though

So you're to blame!!!!! It makes sense now.....:p

Soldier415
01-22-2008, 1:12 PM
So you're to blame!!!!! It makes sense now.....:p

Yes, all my fault. ;)

troyus
01-22-2008, 1:18 PM
You think R's are so disillusioned they'll either vote for Obama, or not go to polls for him?

Bwaah, that's a very naive juvenile bit of thinking.

Obama's policies are not different enough from the Hilldog's (perhaps even worse, though Obama's personally likeable enough that he doesn't have the Hilldog hatred factor) that any R would vote for either.
.

Not enough republicans find Obama repulsive enough on a personal level, to go vote for a Republican candidate they don't really love, after their party has betrayed them of their small government values. Basically Obama doesn't make Republicans act irrationally in the same way Hillary does. They won't bother voting because they don't 'hate' the democratic nominee and they aren't enthused enough by their choices.

We'll see what happens though. If caucus turnout numbers are ANYTHING to go by, though... it shows republicans are out of political capital in a big way.

Bizcuits
01-22-2008, 2:18 PM
I never liked Thompson. Angry for money from the start. I used to get his pre-candidate fliers. "I'm considering throwing my name into the hat, but I need your generous donation first".

Bizcuits
01-22-2008, 2:21 PM
We'll see what happens though. If caucus turnout numbers are ANYTHING to go by, though... it shows republicans are out of political capital in a big way.

A lot of people also don't vote in the primary. I'd easily say, more Democrats and liberals are up to voting in the Primaries / Caucus then Republicans. Democrats and Liberals want change, they are screaming for it.

Many Republicans are happy and aren't up in arms like the Liberals are.

stag1500
01-22-2008, 2:31 PM
It doesn't matter who you vote for because the state's electoral votes will go for the Dems. Any vote for a Republican is a wasted vote.

Well then, you might as well just vote your conscience since California is going to the Communist, I mean Democrat candidate this November. Voting for somebody who doesn't share your same ideals is truly wasting your vote. I made that mistake once in 2000 and I will never do that again.

AngelDecoys
01-22-2008, 2:44 PM
I hate to say it, as I was preparted to vote for Fred, but its probably a good thing in the end. He was taking away votes that otherwise would have went to Mccain or Paul. I also hate to say this, but Paul doesn't really have a chance in hell, and in my logic, its best for him to pull out so votes can go to people that really have a chance for the repub nomination.

Now in the end though, with Fred gone, its going to be the lesser of the evils.

Paul has already stated he's in it until the convention. He rasied another 1.85 million yesterday. He'll stay in if for no other reason then to bring the party back to its senses in terms of fiscal responsibility, limited government, etc, etc. Shaping the platform is a good thing.

People will vote for Paul if for no other reason then because - "When looking a bear in the face, I'm going to punch it a few times before it eats me."

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Mitt for the nomination. (He's put 17 million of his own money in thus far.)

All the rest (except RP) are all but broke. But that will come during the convention.

rbgaynor
01-22-2008, 5:02 PM
I still think the best match up the Republicans can hope for (if they want to win) is Hillary vs. McCain. Hillary would motivate the Republican base and McCain is capable of winning votes from the moderates who make up the squshy middle of the electorate.

Josh3239
01-22-2008, 5:05 PM
:iagree:

I hate to say it but McCain has the best chance. On the plus side, IMO he isn't as bad as Guiliani, Romney, Hellary, or Obama.

bwiese
01-22-2008, 5:14 PM
For gunnies, this next Prez election is all about the Supremes.

Actual gun stance of the R candidates is less important than likely overall tilt of nominations to the Supremes.

Either McCain or Romney would nominate some decent originalist candidates.

SemiAutoSam
01-22-2008, 5:16 PM
What do you base this on ?

Convince me and I might vote for a CFR, TLC member but I wouldn't feel good about doing it.

Again the lesser or several evils.


For gunnies, this next Pres election is all about the Supremes.

Actual gun stance of the R candidates is less important than likely overall tilt of nominations to the Supremes.

Either McCain or Romney would nominate some decent originalist candidates.

erblo
01-22-2008, 6:07 PM
People will vote for Paul if for no other reason then because - "When looking a bear in the face, I'm going to punch it a few times before it eats me."

+1 to that!

LAK Supply
01-22-2008, 6:39 PM
I hate Obama and everything he stands for. He is a complete socialist media fabrication, and is not worth a job flipping burgers IMO.

Irrationally? Are you suggesting that if R's were acting rationally they would vote for him, or not vote against him?


Not enough republicans find Obama repulsive enough on a personal level, to go vote for a Republican candidate they don't really love, after their party has betrayed them of their small government values. Basically Obama doesn't make Republicans act irrationally in the same way Hillary does. They won't bother voting because they don't 'hate' the democratic nominee and they aren't enthused enough by their choices.

We'll see what happens though. If caucus turnout numbers are ANYTHING to go by, though... it shows republicans are out of political capital in a big way.

BigDogatPlay
01-22-2008, 10:44 PM
Well I am bummed. I so much wanted Fred to at least make a fight of it. Now it's back to trying to figure out who to support.

But one thing is for certain... I will not support John McCain, ever. I harken back to Dave Kopel article from 2000 (http://www.davekopel.com/NRO/2000/McCain-Is-a-No-Show-on-Guns.htm):

Once the 2000 presidential race narrowed to Bush versus McCain, Second Amendment activists overwhelmingly preferred Bush, agreeing with the Arizona State Rifle & Pistol Association's grading of Bush as a "B" and McCain as a "C-" (and Gore as an "F").

The press tended to agree; as Steve Brill pointed out, part of the media enthusiasm about McCain reflected a press consensus that McCain's pro-gun and anti-abortion statements on the campaign trail were "pandering" that did not reflect his true beliefs.

Nevertheless, the press is acting as if McCain's television commercials for gun control are as surprising as Charlton Heston demanding gun registration.

Which sounds somewhat similar to what has been coming out of McCain this cycle.

The bottom line... Huckabee is broke and running on a shoestring and momentum. Rudy has been playing it low and slow and still has some dough to kick around, but his fundraising has dried up. Romney has buckets of money but he is as trustworthy as a used car salesman short his quota at the end of the month. McCain is broke and is a huge a-hole. Ron Paul is... well, Ron Paul.

What in the devil has this race come to?

jumbopanda
01-22-2008, 11:28 PM
Someone should have gotten Fred a few Red Bulls or Monsters. :(

tombinghamthegreat
01-23-2008, 12:26 AM
Freddy down, next Rudy when he loses Flordia(hopefully for our cause). Leaves Huck, McCain, Mitt, Paul. With a 4 way close race for president, things could be interesting. Go Paul.

xrMike
01-23-2008, 7:49 AM
Well then, you might as well just vote your conscience since California is going to the Communist, I mean Democrat candidate this November. Voting for somebody who doesn't share your same ideals is truly wasting your vote. I made that mistake once in 2000 and I will never do that again.That's exactly what I was getting at... You and I think alike. :D With Thompson gone, the remaining scraps aren't looking very tasty. It's more likely now that I'll stick with my original plan and vote for the guy I really wanted in the first place.

Funny, how all of those people who've been telling us over and over that we are wasting our votes by supporting Ron Paul are strangely silent when told THEY are wasting THEIR votes by voting for ANY Republican in the final election in CA. California's electoral votes, all of them, WILL go to the Democrats. That, my friends, is a done deal.

It's happened that way for the last 4 presidential elections, and absolutely NOTHING in CA's demographics suggests this trend is going to change. If anything, it's worsened as fed-up conservatives and retirees have bailed out of this state in force. On top of that, you can count on a huge turnout of panty-waisted liberals this time around, all with raging hard-ons for kicking the Republicans OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. Thank you very much, George Bush (and your war in Iraq, which anywhere from 50 - 70 percent of the America public does NOT approve of).

People will vote for Paul if for no other reason then because - "When looking a bear in the face, I'm going to punch it a few times before it eats me."

:D That's kinda what it feels like, with Romney or McCain as the likely bear.

For gunnies, this next Prez election is all about the Supremes.

I suppose that is true, if ALL that you are (as a person, and a citizen) can be summarized in 1 word -- "gunnie".

I consider myself an American gunnie. Specifically, I am an American first, a gunnie second. I cast my vote accordingly, since my over-riding concern is for the nation as a whole rather over my own narrow, self-serving personal interests and hobbies (but also with the trust that when I vote correctly for the 1st, the 2nd will follow naturally).

Actual gun stance of the R candidates is less important than likely overall tilt of nominations to the Supremes.The make-up of the Supreme Court isn't going to matter much (to me anyway) if we're still in Iraq 10 years from now, spending trillions of dollars that would be better spent here at home, and if I am forced to learn Spanish to function in my own country, and if our govt. is still deficit-spending with no regard for my childrens' futures.

Either McCain or Romney would nominate some decent originalist candidates.This assumes 2 distinct events, neither of which is guaranteed to happen:

-- 1 or more current supreme court members either dies or retires

-- the supreme court member proposed by the sucky president we elected (for this purpose only, and ignoring all other considerations to the country as a whole) is actually approved by the Senate

troyus
01-23-2008, 8:24 AM
I hate Obama and everything he stands for. He is a complete socialist media fabrication, and is not worth a job flipping burgers IMO.

Irrationally? Are you suggesting that if R's were acting rationally they would vote for him, or not vote against him?

I'm saying less disenfranchised repubs will get out of the house on election day if Obama is the democratic nominee than if Hillary is.

I'm saying Hillary brings out a very emotional side of people... a side that makes many republicans willing to do ANYTHING, vote for ANYONE, to avoid having her as president.

stag1500
01-23-2008, 10:36 AM
You got a good point there. Hillary is a very polarizing politician. You either love her or you hate her.

Soldier415
01-23-2008, 10:40 AM
You got a good point there. Hillary is a very polarizing politician. You either love her or you hate her.

The latter for me thanks ;)

Archenemy550
01-23-2008, 10:43 AM
Crap, if the Hill wins.... eugh

I am still voting Ron Paul....

*Oh, I am so sick of seeing the 'Vote NO on 93' commercials, for the CA Primary :mad:
I swear, It seems like I cant go to one channel w/o seeing it at least once

Soldier415
01-23-2008, 10:44 AM
Crap, if the Hill wins.... eugh

I am still voting Ron Paul....

*Oh, I am so sick of seeing the 'Vote NO on 93' commercials, for the CA Primary :mad:

I am sick of that commercial, AND all the commercials about Indian Gaming.

I really don't care. In fact, I think it is kind of funny as the tables have turned and now the Indians are getting US drunk and taking our chit

trashman
01-23-2008, 7:09 PM
Damn. He just never looked like he had the enthusiasm to sell himself. Maybe he would make a great VP.....

I doubt it. Richard Nixon thought he was dumb as a doorknob. And I'll be damned if I can find any evidence that he could surround himself with talented political hacks (that could help where it counts).

He coasted to an easy Senate election in his home state with not much hard work. Say what you will about the current Presidential candidates fielded by both parties -- they are very willing to work hard to get elected.

Fred's whole appeal was pretty much in every character he ever played: "The average Russkiy won't take a dump without a plan" .. type stuff.

--Neill

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/10/nixon-on-thomps.html

Bruce
01-24-2008, 3:01 AM
:eek: were gonna be stuck with a dem :mad:

You just now figured that out??? :confused: