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Exodus343
10-02-2013, 2:07 PM
Are all chassis system the same?

or is AICS like the best of them all

Bhobbs
10-02-2013, 2:22 PM
Best is relative. Some people love the AICS and others hate them. Try shooting a rifle with both stocks to see what you like.

HK Dave
10-02-2013, 2:26 PM
A chassis that free floats the barrel are mostly the same... outside of the difference in weight, adjustability and where your shooting hand goes.

AICS is not "the best of them all", it's just one of the more well known and respected names.

tacticalcity
10-02-2013, 2:31 PM
The only one I have experience with is the AICS system. Amazing! Easy to install, works great.

Another option to consider is a custom stock from McMillan USA. If you're in a hurry check out their section of discounted in stock stocks where the customers flaked on them. Get their help making sure the stock will fit correctly with what you have, as they offer a TON of customization options for custom rifle builders. My favorite is the A-5 in GAP cammo or in a Swirl pattern of Olive, Tan, and Light Gray if you prefer the blend-in look.

PolishMike
10-02-2013, 2:33 PM
I was always a fan of the aics chassis but the new(er) ax chassis is absolutely awesome

Exodus343
10-02-2013, 2:39 PM
Not interested in a MCM or manners right now, not to mention the lead time....

milotrain
10-02-2013, 2:45 PM
gotxring.com

Exodus343
10-02-2013, 2:51 PM
Is that the tube one?
Not really a fan of that, fondled with one and it was just not my style
Anyone know how the KRG whiskey 3 is?

whatwhy
10-02-2013, 3:03 PM
broooo just get that one from OC

Exodus343
10-02-2013, 3:36 PM
The guy is ignoring me on hide
LOL

milotrain
10-02-2013, 4:13 PM
Some people who like old wood stocks don't like tube guns, it takes some getting used to. I don't know how much fondling would tell you, you've got to adjust the chassis to you, which is the whole reason to use one (more adjustment than other stocks)

Exodus343
10-02-2013, 4:28 PM
Some people who like old wood stocks don't like tube guns, it takes some getting used to. I don't know how much fondling would tell you, you've got to adjust the chassis to you, which is the whole reason to use one (more adjustment than other stocks)

I mean I've shot with one at angeles before
it was cool and everything but I just really don't dig the look
LOL


Right now I am still shopping around before really dropping some serious coin on an AICS

HK Dave
10-02-2013, 4:30 PM
If you do get the AICS, don't forget to add $250 to your budget for the folder. ;)

milotrain
10-02-2013, 4:42 PM
I mean I've shot with one at angeles before
it was cool and everything but I just really don't dig the look
LOL


Right now I am still shopping around before really dropping some serious coin on an AICS

Gotcha. I can do things to that stock that make holding it in offhand feel like the rifle is holding me up.

mike.h
10-02-2013, 4:44 PM
I have the AICS 2.0 with viper skins, and have no complaints. I have not held a McRees or a Rock solid, and have hear good things, the rock solid does look interesting .
http://tacticalmatches.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1050

BTW, my r700 308 with N/F glass and the AICS 2.0 is about 13 pounds

vliberatore
10-02-2013, 4:50 PM
Have you shot an AICS before? From what I hear they're very polar. The people who love them, absolutely love them. The people who don't, absolutely hate them.

IIRC, you're in college, right? If you are, I'd probably go for whatever is cheaper.

Exodus343
10-02-2013, 7:50 PM
Yeah I'm in college lol
What's acheaper alternative? :(

Hop Sing
10-02-2013, 8:24 PM
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3710/10115379435_42fdef10b4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hopsing2021/10115379435/)
photo-1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hopsing2021/10115379435/) by hop sing2021 (http://www.flickr.com/people/hopsing2021/), on Flickrhttp://farm4.staticflickr.com/3810/10115313764_2f193cc7e5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hopsing2021/10115313764/)
photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hopsing2021/10115313764/) by hop sing2021 (http://www.flickr.com/people/hopsing2021/), on Flickr

Built both the AICS and the JAE recently and compared side by side and dollar vs dollar the AICS is junk compared to the JAE stock. Please check out both, before you spend that kind of money.

oni
10-02-2013, 9:00 PM
Another alternative that's popular in the Tactical Bolt Rifle competition world is the Rock Solid Stock.

http://rocksolidstock.com/home.html

vliberatore
10-02-2013, 9:31 PM
Yeah I'm in college lol
What's acheaper alternative? :(

The McRee. I've seen them used from $500

Exodus343
10-02-2013, 9:34 PM
The McRee. I've seen them used from $500

McRee is a good option
but I have not seen any used lately

and I am skeptical about chassis that uses the AICS mags because the AICS mags were designed for the AICS, I am concerned that using any other chassis and AICS or AW mags will cause more vibrations etc etc


and buy once cry once ;)
even if I AM in college...

vliberatore
10-03-2013, 4:50 AM
and buy once cry once ;)
even if I AM in college...

Then why not get a KRG Whiskey 3 chassis? Or a Cadex?

I understand about buying quality components, but there are diminishing returns for spending more. It's really up to you, does the AICS offer you $200+ more benefit? If so, get it. If not, look elsewhere.

janus408
10-03-2013, 6:18 AM
Neither.

XLR Carbon.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8103144092_3282475104_z.jpg

Or the Rock Solid Chassis.

http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu14/benscz/image_zpscbf96989.jpg

oni
10-03-2013, 8:44 AM
McRee is a good option
but I have not seen any used lately

and I am skeptical about chassis that uses the AICS mags because the AICS mags were designed for the AICS, I am concerned that using any other chassis and AICS or AW mags will cause more vibrations etc etc


and buy once cry once ;)
even if I AM in college...

What do you mean by "more vibrations"? The mag just hangs there.

The AICS mag stops by resting against the receiver when your applying pressure to the bottom of the mag and rests on the mag release catch when your not applying upward pressure.

You should be focusing on how the stock/chassis fits you and not concerned about how and AICS mag will cause vibrations etc etc. That can only be done by getting behind the stocks your interested in and doing some dry fire in prone, seated, kneeling, and standing.

Exodus343
10-03-2013, 9:07 AM
wow the XLR and RS looks amazing....

CRTguns
10-03-2013, 8:49 PM
All the aics answers are probably coming from folks who have not shot the McRee. The AICS is not easily adjusted, and worse to disassemble to clean or repair. The McRee is totally modular, and can use any AR furniture around... or has their own fully adj buttstock. And the fully loaded McRee costs the same as the aics.

We sell mcree 5 to one over aics.

Cypriss32
10-03-2013, 9:50 PM
All the aics answers are probably coming from folks who have not shot the McRee. The AICS is not easily adjusted, and worse to disassemble to clean or repair. The McRee is totally modular, and can use any AR furniture around... or has their own fully adj buttstock. And the fully loaded McRee costs the same as the aics.

We sell mcree 5 to one over aics.

Ive owned both, not just one but many. I like them both, if you LIKE AR rifles, Mcrees is awesome. I had a folder so cleaning was super easy. I LOVE the AICS, its one of the best chassis system out there. Its served in a lot of theaters and done some tough work. Love or it hate it, you cant be on the fence with AICS stocks. I personally would steer clear of the AR stocked mcree and get the folding propritary system they offer. The quality is very good.

I HIGHLY recommend people to try out whatever stocks they can before purchasing.

CobraRed
10-03-2013, 10:28 PM
I do like the XLR Carbon, but due to the hand-guard you need to run a very tall scope ring and cheek set-up making it AR-esque.

Not a big fan of that kind of rig.

Exodus343
10-03-2013, 10:32 PM
Going to pick up an AICS 2.0 soon
for $900 I just could not pass that up, in regards to the thumbhole, I guess I don't mind it since I use to play with an airsoft P90 LOL

:hide:

janus408
10-03-2013, 11:18 PM
and I am skeptical about chassis that uses the AICS mags because the AICS mags were designed for the AICS, I am concerned that using any other chassis and AICS or AW mags will cause more vibrations etc etc

This is completely unfounded.

There is a reason DBM setups almost universally use AICS magazines. And it would be hard to find one of them with issues.

skkeeter
10-05-2013, 7:33 AM
I have experience with 3 of them. Starting with my least favorite is the AICS. The Mcree comes in second place, and the AX chassis is the winner in my book. I'm one of the ones who hates the aics. Heavy and just doesn't fit for myself. THe Mcree is a really nice chassis that is relatively cheap and modular. But for myself, the AX is the clear winner, but happens to be the most expensive. It's ergonomic, very adjustable, and when you find the sweet torque value, will make your rifle more accurate. I have a Warner Tool .260 barreled action sitting in mine that shoots bugholes. YMMV

Twystd1
10-06-2013, 12:57 AM
I've had had at least 1 of every chassis and stock called out in this thread.

For me....

The XLR chassis is the most comfortable to shoot hands down.

Thats because I am over 60 and my neck gets tweaked if I have to rotate my head to peer down a scope for many minutes. With the XLR. No problems.

Most of my friends like the my XLRs the best as well.

The under 25 group like the AICS setup. It reminds them of video games. (REALLY)

Before you buy anything. head on down to the range on a weekend and see who has what. Many people will let you shoot their chassied rifles once they understand you are looking for help in making a stock / chassis decision.

All of the stocks and chassis mentioned have adjustments. Some more than others. That doesn't mean it will fit you.

I can tell you this. If the stock or chassis doesn't fit your style of shooting or your particular body configuration and your inherent body mechanics.

Your may have a less than positive experience. If thats the case. Sell it and buy something else. I have MANY times.

If all else fails. Buy a cheap used fiberglass stock, bed it, and have some fum with bondo and fiberglass until you get what you want.

Cheers,
T

Exodus343
10-06-2013, 11:15 AM
I've had had at least 1 of every chassis and stock called out in this thread.

For me....

The XLR chassis is the most comfortable to shoot hands down.

Thats because I am over 60 and my neck gets tweaked if I have to rotate my head to peer down a scope for many minutes. With the XLR. No problems.

Most of my friends like the my XLRs the best as well.

The under 25 group like the AICS setup. It reminds them of video games. (REALLY)

Before you buy anything. head on down to the range on a weekend and see who has what. Many people will let you shoot their chassied rifles once they understand you are looking for help in making a stock / chassis decision.

All of the stocks and chassis mentioned have adjustments. Some more than others. That doesn't mean it will fit you.

I can tell you this. If the stock or chassis doesn't fit your style of shooting or your particular body configuration and your inherent body mechanics.

Your may have a less than positive experience. If thats the case. Sell it and buy something else. I have MANY times.

If all else fails. Buy a cheap used fiberglass stock, bed it, and have some fum with bondo and fiberglass until you get what you want.

Cheers,
T

LOL :p

james758
10-06-2013, 10:38 PM
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photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hopsing2021/10115313764/) by hop sing2021 (http://www.flickr.com/people/hopsing2021/), on Flickr

Built both the AICS and the JAE recently and compared side by side and dollar vs dollar the AICS is junk compared to the JAE stock. Please check out both, before you spend that kind of money.

I have the AICS on my Surgeon rifle and I've been waiting for my JAE since Jan...2012

The AICS can be had NOW and when you get it you don't have to have the bottom metal redone, or bed the stock. Once you get a Mcmillan for $500-600 that is just the beginning of the spending of more money to have it installed. You get the AICS and it is a simple drop in with no more money spent except for mags (which are a little pricey).

HK Dave
10-06-2013, 11:43 PM
I have the AICS on my Surgeon rifle and I've been waiting for my JAE since Jan...2012

The AICS can be had NOW and when you get it you don't have to have the bottom metal redone, or bed the stock. Once you get a Mcmillan for $500-600 that is just the beginning of the spending of more money to have it installed. You get the AICS and it is a simple drop in with no more money spent except for mags (which are a little pricey).

Hehe looks like you have a bit more waiting to do. I've been waiting for mine since June 2011. :P

Spyder
10-07-2013, 12:05 AM
Funny, seeing all these fairly high dollar rigs running a crap fifty dollar Harris bipod.

HK Dave
10-07-2013, 8:00 AM
You get Harris bipods for $50?! WOW where?! Please show me!

Mine all cost at least $100.

TZL
10-07-2013, 8:22 AM
I got ride of my heavy *** AICS for an XLR carbon 15" setup

No regrets

Stockton
10-07-2013, 8:37 AM
I run an AICS 2.0 and Manners T4A. The build on the AICS definitely has its advantages of weight and ergos when shooting. As well as being a plug and play chasis. Humping that around as a hunting rifle wouldn't be my first choice. Trunk of vehicle to the firing line....no problem. Running a tac match for a few hours...no problem. Now my T4A fits all those bills and I actually don't mind hunting with it. Downside is when going to a T4A you would want to either bedd it or option to run their mini chassis as part of the build order. Cheers!

desert dog
10-09-2013, 11:18 PM
I don't like the weight or the thumbhole stock on the AICS 2.0, but the results are amazing. It really is an accurate and convenient system . The folder is nice for cleaning and locks up solid. Magazine retention is positive and smooth. Absolutely no flex or deviation in the chassis while loading a bipod. Removing the action and replacing it does not change POI. Then I added the Viper Skins, and I now like it even more.

I ordered the JAE stock over a year ago and was told 6 months - still waiting with about 10,000 other people :(

Lalay45
10-10-2013, 12:45 AM
Simply Awesome.. So great in looking...

khw9mm
10-10-2013, 1:32 AM
I have 2 Manners and a McMillan. Switched out one of the Manners and ordered a Rock Solid today. If you're into shooting tactical precision comps, that would be the stock for you as they're great for positional shooting (barricades, roof-tops...etc..)


Funny, seeing all these fairly high dollar rigs running a crap fifty dollar Harris bipod.

I'm also curious where I can find Harris bipods for $50.

pistolero805
10-10-2013, 3:15 AM
I really like the McRee precision chassis. I've had McMillan HTG, A2, A5, Manners T4, HS Precision, and I've used the Aics AX. Scott McRee is a nice guy and really knows his stuff. I got to sit and speak with him for an hour or so and learned so much.

Now some McRee Precision and Griswold Brothers Gunsmithing rifles from Ventura,CA.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/10/na9uqy7e.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/10/yvyneqy6.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/10/y8e3a5et.jpg

Clever
10-12-2013, 12:01 AM
I usually use the Bi Pod for hunting and shoot off of sand bags on the regular. AICS is the best stock I have ever torqued onto my 300 WIN. Just fits me better and Gives me a solid cheek and shoulder weld, which results into complete control of the weapon. Baring down and pinning becomes much easier, the eye relief is more stable. Just love it!
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/arsho13/rEM-2.jpg (http://s909.photobucket.com/user/arsho13/media/rEM-2.jpg.html)
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/arsho13/AI.jpg (http://s909.photobucket.com/user/arsho13/media/AI.jpg.html)