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sandsnow
01-19-2008, 8:20 AM
Hello all

I'm new here and have a question. In searching for my answer I found this thread;
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=29849&highlight=registered+assault+weapon+modification

and a quote from one of the posts:
This is just a subset issue of the larger issue: there is no separate criminal charge in the 12280 etc section of the PC (Prohibited Activities) that prevents features from being added, removed, or changed on either registered AWs or guns that have just been declared as AWs and a new 90day window has opened.

So my question is:

If I have an SAR 4800 registered in 2000, can I add a pistol grip and flash hider? If it was sold with a thumbhole stock and a screwed on block on the end of the barrel. From what I understand those modifications were part of the Fed AW laws which sunsetted.

Follow up question:
Has this been ruled on by the AG or DOJ?

Ijust want clarification. I read the quote as it being OK>

Thanks and great forum by the way.

69Mach1
01-19-2008, 8:33 AM
If you have a registered AW, that is one where you had to send in paperwork directly to the DOJ declaring what you have and not regular paperwork requiring the 10 day waiting period than you can have any evil feature you want, not including NFA stuff. If the imported rifle you have came with a thumhole stock, than you must also follow the Federal 922r law (WHICH DOES NOT SUNSET) requiring no more than 10 foreign parts in the rifle if you modify it to be "non-sporting" (pistol grip, flash suppressor, collapsible/folding stock, or bayonet lug).

Quiet
01-19-2008, 8:37 AM
If I have an SAR 4800 registered in 2000, can I add a pistol grip and flash hider? If it was sold with a thumbhole stock and a screwed on block on the end of the barrel. From what I understand those modifications were part of the Fed AW laws which sunsetted.

If you have a registered assault weapon you can modify it any way as long as it conforms to Federal law.

Since, you have a Springfield Armory SAR-4800, which were made in Brazil, you will need to comply with federal 922r regulations before modifing the rifle. So, you will need to make sure the rifle has 10 or fewer foreign made parts before changing the stock and/or adding a muzzle device. I believe the FAL series has 17 listed parts, so 7 of them need to be replaced with USA made parts in order to conform to 922r.

sandsnow
01-19-2008, 9:08 AM
Thanks very much for the response.

To be prudent, do you carry your receipt of purchase of US parts with you? In looking at the pictures online, some appear identical to foreign made parts.

Do I have to dispose of the old parts in order not to have (I think the term is) "constructive possession"?

hoffmang
01-19-2008, 10:46 AM
I know of no one that carries their receipts for 922 compliance. At most, just retain them in your gun safe.

It's not entirely clear that an end gun owner can be successfully charged with violating 922(r), but you'd clearly be safe if you complied with the US Parts restrictions and had some records laying around at home. It's not like BATFE specialists inspect rifles at ranges in California.

-Gene

bwiese
01-19-2008, 12:55 PM
There are no degrees/shades or tiers of AW status in CA.

If it's a reg'd AW in CA it can have all evil features (except grenade launcher, which is separately illegal a destructive device). Go to town and put any features on you want.

I hate to make a general statement like this because some screwup will prove it wrong, but it appears generally that the ATF is looking for 922(r) violations by manufacturers from parts kits. If you've bought a gun from someone else and not built it up yourself, the worst that happens is you lose the gun.

I know of no one other than myself that keeps US parts paperwork. Many US compliance parts have "US" marks on them, though. It is the gov't that has the burden of proof to show they're foreign made and/or your complete firearm violates 922(r) parts count. This is not as hard as you might think, though, since ATF has 'parts exemplars' and 'toolmark examiners'.

If someone asks you about a parts gun you have at a range (ATF may have done this on occasion) you don't have to say anything, but if you let it slip you put the proper number of US mfgd compliance parts it'l be a moot issue.

bmaksdad
01-19-2008, 1:01 PM
I am net to this site and I apologize in advance if this question has already been answered but I wanted to get some clarification. I have 2 AR's that I registered with DOJ in 2000. They are both in federal "post ban" configuration. Can I buy an upper that has a flash hider and put it one one of my AR's and be CA compliant? I don't really have a need for a flash hider but when I need to replace one of my uppers I would like to have that option if legal. This if off topic but do any of you get funny looks or attitude from coworkers when they find out you are into guns or if you have gun related magazines or literature at your desk? I work for a major state agency and me and a few buddies at work who enjoy collecting and shooting are looked at like we are some kind of militia freaks.

bwiese
01-19-2008, 1:11 PM
I am net to this site and I apologize in advance if this question has already been answered but I wanted to get some clarification. I have 2 AR's that I registered with DOJ in 2000.

I take it you mean "specially reg'd as an AW with DOJ", and not just the 4473/DROS paperwork at the dealer?

If so, you have legally reg'd AWs.

If not, you are in possession of illegal, unreg'd AWs.

They are both in federal "post ban" configuration. Can I buy an upper that has a flash hider and put it one one of my AR's and be CA compliant?


Sure, there are no restrictions on reg'd CA AWs. Once it's an AW it can have all evil features (except grenade launcher).

I work for a major state agency and me and a few buddies at work who enjoy collecting and shooting are looked at like we are some kind of militia freaks.

Relax, it's still a free country. Screw 'em if they don't like your habits. I myself don't like vegetarians and folks in Birkenstocks

bmaksdad
01-19-2008, 1:24 PM
Thanks for the reply and yes, they are registered as AW's with DOJ. That is good to know, I hate the look of my AR's with the naked barrell at the end. That is funny you mentioned birkenstocks. One of the big wigs in my dept. has a pony tail and wears them. He probably doesn't eat meat either and I'm pretty sure he doesn't own a gun as well.

Thanks again,

hoffmang
01-19-2008, 1:30 PM
Lots of the guys in my office wear birks and buy black powder rifles and Saigas...

Just takes the right ponytailed birks wearers to appreciate guns.

-gene

Wulf
01-19-2008, 2:52 PM
Hey, wait a minute, I thought Irwin, the California Firearm Genius Guru, said only "Licensed Certified Armorers" could make modifications to AWs?:rolleyes:

sandsnow
01-19-2008, 5:10 PM
bwiese

Thanks for the reply