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aileron
01-18-2008, 6:49 AM
This makes me very uncomfortable.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7193487.stm



US, Mexico strengthen gun checks
Mexican federal police in raid on drugs gang. File photo
Mexican police have been fighting heavily-armed drugs gangs
The US has said it will give Mexico access to an electronic database to trace weapons smuggled from the US to powerful drug gangs across the border.

US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Mexican police who seized arms could use the system to notify the US who would then target the dealers.

Mexico has been struggling to deal with heavily-armed drug traffickers.

It has complained that its northern neighbor is not doing enough to stop the flow of illegal arms into Mexico.

Mr Mukasey also urged the US Congress not to be distracted by the presidential election and approve the proposed $1.4bn (£712m) joint US-Mexican anti-drug plan, known as the Merida Initiative.

'Indispensable'

Speaking during his official visit to Mexico, Mr Mukasey said the e-Trace database would be installed at US consulates across Mexico to help local police track gun dealers back in the US.


I can certainly foresee a tightening up of the way gun dealers distribute guns
Michael Mukasey
US Attorney General

He said US officials would then be able to "target that dealer".

"Inevitably we'll find people who are not doing what they ought to do, and they'll be prosecuted," Mr Mukasey said.

Mexican Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora welcomed the announcement, describing it as "indispensable that we establish common criteria to solve this issue".

Mr Mukasey also said the US authorities had hired more firearms agents to check the records of gun dealers along the border.

Tijuana clashes

Separately, Mr Mukasey revealed that Washington and Mexico had discussed recent incidents near Mexico's border city of Tijuana in which US border patrol agents fired tear gas into Mexican territory.

The US says the agents acted to protect themselves against rocks being hurled at them from across the border, describing the clashes as drug-related.

"We're trying to deal with it. We've talked to the Mexicans about it, and they're trying to deal with it," Mr Mukasey said.

"What happens is that there is organized rock-throwing to divert border guards, who then become involved in whatever exchanges they're involved in, then you get a bunch of backpackers running across the border with backpacks full of marijuana," Mr Mukasey said.

chris
01-18-2008, 12:08 PM
no surprise here. we all know that politicians in sacramento are traitors anyway. it will never end until the hammer and cicle flag is at the state capitol building or mexican flag is there too. i depise these people they have no heart no patriotism at all. may they all rought in hell.

pnkssbtz
01-18-2008, 12:41 PM
Umm wtf? Guns from america get smuggled into mexico? Isn't it the other way around?

scottj
01-18-2008, 1:08 PM
So if you've bought a gun in the last x number of years you should expect a visit from the Mexican Mafia? That's great news!

adamsreeftank
01-18-2008, 1:55 PM
Making confidential information about American citizens available to people in other countries.

What could go wrong???

troyus
01-18-2008, 2:02 PM
Umm wtf? Guns from america get smuggled into mexico? Isn't it the other way around?

No, it isn't. Mexican citizenry are banned from anything bigger than .38 or thereabouts. And you are only allowed to buy one gun form the government run citizens armory. Someone else can probably fill you in on the details, but that's the quick and dirty reason why arms get smuggled INTO Mexico.

CSDGuy
01-18-2008, 2:03 PM
With the E-Trace being installed at the US Consulate offices, the US still controls the outflow of information. In other words, the info going out can easily be filtered. Also, if any abuse of the system happens, that consulate can lose their terminal or the whole info sharing program can go "bye-bye".

ViPER395
01-18-2008, 3:47 PM
US and Mexico should agree on a "Guns for People" buy back.

We get all of these smuggled guns back and they can take all of their civilian foot soldiers that have smuggled themselves here.

This is what I don't like:

notify the US who would then target the dealers.

local police track gun dealers back in the US.

Charliegone
01-18-2008, 10:31 PM
IS the AG really this f%$*)# stupid! What if the person who accesses this information is a mafia plant? Don't they know they will be putting millions of people in danger by doing this? Geezuz man!:mad:

Pvt. Cowboy
01-18-2008, 11:01 PM
With the E-Trace being installed at the US Consulate offices, the US still controls the outflow of information. In other words, the info going out can easily be filtered. Also, if any abuse of the system happens, that consulate can lose their terminal or the whole info sharing program can go "bye-bye".

This was sarcasm, I hope.

adamsreeftank
01-19-2008, 12:13 AM
With the E-Trace being installed at the US Consulate offices, the US still controls the outflow of information. In other words, the info going out can easily be filtered. Also, if any abuse of the system happens, that consulate can lose their terminal or the whole info sharing program can go "bye-bye".

Maybe the US controls the flow of information, but the question still remains, why is there a flow of confidential data on US citizens into another country. Saying the system can be shut down if there is abuse isn't much reassurance considering the amount of corruption in the Mexican military and LE community.

Linh
01-19-2008, 1:18 AM
Umm wtf? Guns from america get smuggled into mexico? Isn't it the other way around?

Yeah that's what I though it's a lot easier to purchase guns in mexico. illegally that is, I'm sure there are pently of ak in mexico so they aren't gonna need to come to america to purchase weapons.

CSDGuy
01-19-2008, 1:35 AM
Maybe the US controls the flow of information, but the question still remains, why is there a flow of confidential data on US citizens into another country. Saying the system can be shut down if there is abuse isn't much reassurance considering the amount of corruption in the Mexican military and LE community.
The article reads more like they're using the ETrace info to determine which dealer sold the weapons, not necessarily individual owners. The ETrace system might also be severely crippled to the point of essentially showing simply whether or not a particular firearm possibly came from the US and therefore require that the Mexicans send an email to have the US check it out.

Creeping Incrementalism
01-19-2008, 8:23 AM
said US officials would then be able to "target that dealer".

"Inevitably we'll find people who are not doing what they ought to do, and they'll be prosecuted," Mr Mukasey said.

Doesn't our nimrod AG know that most guns used in crimes from burglaries, and are not sold from FFLs to crooks?

H Paul Payne
01-19-2008, 8:49 AM
More details, analysis, and information, regarding this topic (along with a little political sarcasm) can be found in Anthony Canales' NewsBriefs column which is hosted by the NRA Members' Councils of California at http://www.calnra.com/newsbriefs/ .

Tony's research and analysis, as well as his sense of humor, has earned him a loyal following of readers for NewsBriefs.

Paul

pnkssbtz
01-19-2008, 1:30 PM
No, it isn't. Mexican citizenry are banned from anything bigger than .38 or thereabouts. And you are only allowed to buy one gun form the government run citizens armory. Someone else can probably fill you in on the details, but that's the quick and dirty reason why arms get smuggled INTO Mexico.Thats the LAW in mexico, and in mexico the law is just a piece of paper that you can ignore, or bribe your way around.

Black market arms are more rampant in mexico than america.

Drugs and shooting up police chiefs are also illegal in mexico, that doesn't seem to stop it.

Looks like mexico is trying to blame america for their own problems.

NIB
01-19-2008, 1:50 PM
It's a whole lot easier to ship a container full of AK-47s into mexico than to the US.