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Ocguy31
09-17-2013, 7:38 AM
CNN: FBI Washington field office just confirmed gunman was NOT armed with AR15. Spokesperson says 1 shotgun and 2 pistols recovered

https://twitter.com/PamelaBrownCNN/status/379960354841047040






Holy crap the whole thing was just a story....I will be calling Gov. Brown today and letting his staff know this....the media will not clear this up, so please help me get the word out!

razorduc
09-17-2013, 8:08 AM
USA Today has something similar:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooting-aaron-alexis-washington/2824793/

G-Man WC
09-17-2013, 8:11 AM
Wow, nothing evil? Let's ban everything will be the screech from the left. -g

MadMax
09-17-2013, 8:11 AM
And as soon as this was confirmed the media squashes it and takes it off front page news.

jdberger
09-17-2013, 8:14 AM
It is believed, the official said, that Alexis began firing indiscriminately on the people below with the law enforcement-style shotgun. After firing several rounds, the official said, Alexis ran down a flight of stairs where he confronted and shot a security officer.

Interesting phrasing.

00Medic
09-17-2013, 8:34 AM
Interesting phrasing.

LOL!! They just have to make SOMETHING sound evil. I'm surprised they didn't say he had "law enforcement-style shoes" giving him the abilty to move faster and kill more efficently.

I soooo despise the media.

kaligaran
09-17-2013, 9:24 AM
Don't tell Feinstein, it'll ruin her day.

Wait.... on the other hand... please tell her, please!

problemchild
09-17-2013, 9:44 AM
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SHOOTERS WAS DRUGGED UP ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS THAT ALLEGEDLY "MIGHT" MAKE "SOME" PEOPLE HOMICIDAL!!!

The prescription meds are what we need to ban. They wont get banned because it doesnt fit the progressive --->AGENDA<--- of mass shooting which will "hopefully" lead to a "sensible" (AKA- All guns) gun ban.

Original article at:
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-ye...

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepres sants.html#ixzz2fAnmU2Rs

Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns


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Here's the full article by Dan Roberts:

(Ammoland.com) Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more then a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com (http://www.ssristories.com) is one popular site that has documented over 4500 " Mainstream Media " reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single car accident. Is there a link between Noveske's death and his "outting" of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons?

I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who "knew too much" or were considered a "threat" dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved with several 9/11 hijackers obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car, to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80's that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a "suicide", to Frank Olson, a senior research micro biologist who was working on the CIA's mind control research program MKULTRA.

After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room, and is alleged to have committed "suicide" by throwing himself off the tenth floor balcony. In 1994, Olson's sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr's team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall. The evidence was called "rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide." Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate. On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

• Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

• Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

• Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

• Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

• Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

• Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

• Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

• Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

• Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

• Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

• Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

• Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

• A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

• Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

• Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

• Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

• Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

• Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

• Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

• What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az?

• What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado?

• What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or?

• What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct?

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don't let them! Force our elected "representatives" and the media to cast a harsh spotlight on this issue. Don't stop hounding them until they do.

About Dan Roberts
Dan Roberts is a grassroots supporter of gun rights that has chosen AmmoLand Shooting Sports News as the perfect outlet for his frank, 'Jersey Attitude' filled articles on Guns and Gun Owner Rights. As a resident of the oppressive state of New Jersey he is well placed to be able to discuss the abuses of government against our inalienable rights to keep and bear arms as he writes from deep behind NJ's Anti-Gun iron curtain. Read more from Dan Roberts or email him at DRoberts@ammoland.com You can also find him on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dan.roberts.18

agent88
09-17-2013, 9:55 AM
Where's the part that says oooops... we were wromg no ar-15 was used...

Piers Morgan was all about how the shooter used the ar15 at the navy yard

And DF ....hope she loses some credibility

CessnaDriver
09-17-2013, 9:57 AM
DF is deeply dissappointed.

Sleighter
09-17-2013, 10:20 AM
Problem Child...while I appreciate your zeal for trying to take the heat off of firearms. Blaming medications that MILLIONS of people are on that positively impact their lives isn't the answer either.

If 1 out millions of gun owners use a gun illegally, we blame the person not the gun. If 1 out of millions of medication users act illegally, we blame the person not the medication. If it were .01%, .02%, something like that would be significant. But the fact that 1 out of millions of people act out doesn't show a very strong correlation.

Why can't we just acknowledge that there are sick and evil people in the world. That is why the average citizen has the RIGHT to arm and defend themselves. That should be the message, not looking for a cause of random violence and trying to stop it.

Some catastrophes are so rare and devastating that it's easier to plan for them than to try and avoid them. Earthquakes and hurricanes come to mind, as well as random shootings.

dave_cg
09-17-2013, 10:25 AM
Why can't we just acknowledge that there are sick and evil people in the world. That is why the average citizen has the RIGHT to arm and defend themselves. That should be the message, not looking for a cause of random violence and trying to stop it.


Yes, and why can't we acknowledge that there are sick people in the world that need help and are not getting the help they need? That is a common thread in these shootings. The mental health care system is b0rk3d. Stopping these shootings and also helping the people sleeeping under bridges and living from shopping carts have the same solution.

tiger222
09-17-2013, 10:40 AM
MAOI drugs = the real danger, but big pharma is too strong on the hill and lined too many pockets.

kaligaran
09-17-2013, 10:43 AM
If 1 out millions of gun owners use a gun illegally, we blame the person not the gun. If 1 out of millions of medication users act illegally, we blame the person not the medication. If it were .01%, .02%, something like that would be significant. But the fact that 1 out of millions of people act out doesn't show a very strong correlation.


I agree with this and I think instead of focusing on the medications, it should be a focus on mental illness.

I don't take medications and I do think Americans are often over-medicated and big-pharma is a problem but it's not the only problem.
So many people take medications with positive (and intended) results that we would be demonizing them just as gun owners are demonized by the media.

I recognize that mentally ill people are the ones that are committing these crimes (you have to be a sick #%*& to murder innocent people). Or possibly a combination of both medication and illness. We should definitely focus on the mental illness problems.

formerTexan
09-17-2013, 10:46 AM
And yet the so-called joun0lists felt it was ok to do this:
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ny-daily-news-slams-made-for-murder-ar
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/new-york-daily-news-ar-15-sept-2013.jpg

teg33
09-17-2013, 10:53 AM
Why i did not heard liberal progressive shouting ban anti depressant drugs? Will Obama issue executive order to ban it.

robcoe
09-17-2013, 11:02 AM
DF is deeply dissappointed.

She is probably yelling onto a phone right now, telling someone on the scene to check again.

SuperSet
09-17-2013, 11:58 AM
Does this mean we can take it off the false flag operation chart or is it still on? Just trying to get the ground rules.

problemchild
09-17-2013, 11:59 AM
Sorry, its like forcing blond Swedish women to take off their shoes at the airport. If Muslims, or in this case, SSRI drugs, are the issue it is what needs to be looked at.

100% of the mass shooters were drugged up on SSRI drugs! (http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school) The Navy shooter was on SSRI drugs.


When I was growing up they didnt have SSRI drugs and they didnt have mass shootings. Hell we drove to school in another state with our deer rifles in the back window of our pu truck.

My advice is stop eating bad food with preservatives and food colors, exercise and get healthy WITHOUT taking SSRI meds.

What happened to this country that 1/2 the nations needs to be doped up to "get by"?
This country has fallen into a deep hole and needs to make its way out, without "feel good" meds.

Problem Child...while I appreciate your zeal for trying to take the heat off of firearms. Blaming medications that MILLIONS of people are on that positively impact their lives isn't the answer either.

If 1 out millions of gun owners use a gun illegally, we blame the person not the gun. If 1 out of millions of medication users act illegally, we blame the person not the medication. If it were .01%, .02%, something like that would be significant. But the fact that 1 out of millions of people act out doesn't show a very strong correlation.

Why can't we just acknowledge that there are sick and evil people in the world. That is why the average citizen has the RIGHT to arm and defend themselves. That should be the message, not looking for a cause of random violence and trying to stop it.

Some catastrophes are so rare and devastating that it's easier to plan for them than to try and avoid them. Earthquakes and hurricanes come to mind, as well as random shootings.

Soundslikesight
09-17-2013, 12:17 PM
I just heard another report about how this guy was reported to the naval about some incident a few weeks prior where he told someone how he was being followed and people were sending vibrations through his body with a microwave machine. I don't think a motive of any sort will come out of this.
It does sound to me like its about time to get serious about laying down some common sense microwave vibration machine laws. When is enough enough? It's much too easy to send vibrations into people's bodies and then something like this happens. Mr and mrs America, turn them in!

Ryan in SD
09-17-2013, 2:43 PM
I just heard another report about how this guy was reported to the naval about some incident a few weeks prior where he told someone how he was being followed and people were sending vibrations through his body with a microwave machine. I don't think a motive of any sort will come out of this.
It does sound to me like its about time to get serious about laying down some common sense microwave vibration machine laws. When is enough enough? It's much too easy to send vibrations into people's bodies and then something like this happens. Mr and mrs America, turn them in!

LOL!

BroncoBob
09-17-2013, 3:26 PM
Looks like this information will be back on the 8th page. I really don't think anyone except maybe Mark Levin will bring it up.

Paul223
09-17-2013, 3:36 PM
I was wondering how the Psycho could have smuggled in a long gun without being noticed. Lying liberal media will go to any lengths to stir the pot.

Straight from the NRA website: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2013/9/anti-gun-narrative-blows-up-in-face-of-cnn,-daily-news.aspx

VendetAR
09-17-2013, 3:38 PM
Sorry, its like forcing blond Swedish women to take off their shoes at the airport. If Muslims, or in this case, SSRI drugs, are the issue it is what needs to be looked at.

100% of the mass shooters were drugged up on SSRI drugs! (http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school) The Navy shooter was on SSRI drugs.


When I was growing up they didnt have SSRI drugs and they didnt have mass shootings. Hell we drove to school in another state with our deer rifles in the back window of our pu truck.

My advice is stop eating bad food with preservatives and food colors, exercise and get healthy WITHOUT taking SSRI meds.

What happened to this country that 1/2 the nations needs to be doped up to "get by"?
This country has fallen into a deep hole and needs to make its way out, without "feel good" meds.

Im sorry, how old are you? Most any baby boomer grew up when Whitman hauled a crate of guns and ammo to the top of the Texas University bell tower and I would definitely call that a mass shooting. He too was mentally deficient from a brain tumor though.

You are incorrectly tying all causation to medication. Being an absolutist means that you are unable to look at the many different ways that led the people to the situations they created. It could be a combonation of medication, upbringing, hate for people, a feeling of being wronged by a group of people or by society in general or maybe they are just crazy and shouldn't have been in contact with firearms.

frankm
09-17-2013, 3:43 PM
100% of the mass shooters were drugged up on SSRI drugs! (http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school) The Navy shooter was on SSRI drugs.


100% of mass shooters sought mental health treatment! If you're crazy stay away from the doctors! :facepalm:

nastyhabts26
09-17-2013, 4:07 PM
Should say on the Label
Do not own Firearms while using this medicine.

Stirlee
09-17-2013, 4:25 PM
i honestly believe these people have a mental illness.

SgtDinosaur
09-17-2013, 5:03 PM
So, not a single law our illustrious leglislators are ramming down our throats would have done anything to stop this shooter. I hope those morons are paying attention, but doubt it will penetrate their thick skulls. Duh, mass shootings can be accomplished with a shotgun. Going to ban those too?