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STiLife
09-14-2013, 2:20 AM
Ok just want to ask where you guys have seen the best deals for these rifles. Im looking into just buying a basic SPS with a 24in barrel in .308. Cant seem to find any sales going on for them right now and haven't really seen any recently. Thanks for the help.

webcruzzer
09-14-2013, 5:08 AM
Well its not on sale but its a great price.


http://grabagun.com/firearms/rifles/bolt-action-rifles/rem-700-sps-308win-24-bl-syn.html

Wrangler John
09-14-2013, 6:45 AM
Well its not on sale but its a great price.


http://grabagun.com/firearms/rifles/bolt-action-rifles/rem-700-sps-308win-24-bl-syn.html

If I were in the market for one, I'd be all over that price. Just the bare action will cost that much, and the custom barrel I have on order is $575.00.

I purchased two Remington rifles in the 1970's and they are still around, although having been rebarrled many times. Good investment.

thenodnarb
09-14-2013, 8:13 AM
That gun is only about $30 over wholesale. Why even bother being a retailer? You can get the guns for the same price as FFLs.


FYI I'm not lamenting, I'm expressing how freaking awesome that deal is.

famebyassociatn
09-14-2013, 2:39 PM
There is also a rebate for that gun too.

http://www.remington.com/en/pages/news-and-resources/rebates-and-promotions/Fall2013-Rebate.aspx

bloodhawke83
09-14-2013, 4:00 PM
Sportsmen warehouse has the ADL for 399.99 and wondering if the 700 actions are the same across the model.

Someone said just by the cheapest 700 and rebuild it later down the road.

Forrestchump
09-14-2013, 7:24 PM
If you just buy a cheap 700, can you change the caliber by buying a barrel and bolt? Say you got Uncle Darryl's old 30-06 or .243 and you wanted to make a nice .308 out of it. Is that possible?

thenodnarb
09-14-2013, 7:38 PM
If you just buy a cheap 700, can you change the caliber by buying a barrel and bolt? Say you got Uncle Darryl's old 30-06 or .243 and you wanted to make a nice .308 out of it. Is that possible?

Just remember that there is long action and short action. Its ok to convert to a long action to a short action cartridge, but a short action can't accommodate the longer cartridges.

milotrain
09-14-2013, 11:18 PM
Also many rounds use the same bolt face.

.30-06, .308, 260, 7mm-08, .284, 6.5x284, .22-250, 220 swift, 6.5x55, 6.5x47, 6x47, 25-06, .280, 8x57, 8mm-06, 338-06, 35 whelen. Uncle Darryl's old 30-06 can run a whole lot of stuff without changing the bolt.

STiLife
09-15-2013, 12:43 AM
So what exactly would be needed to alter calibers?

Forrestchump
09-15-2013, 12:52 AM
Also many rounds use the same bolt face.

.30-06, .308, 260, 7mm-08, .284, 6.5x284, .22-250, 220 swift, 6.5x55, 6.5x47, 6x47, 25-06, .280, 8x57, 8mm-06, 338-06, 35 whelen. Uncle Darryl's old 30-06 can run a whole lot of stuff without changing the bolt.

.243?

NorCalFocus
09-15-2013, 8:35 AM
So what exactly would be needed to alter calibers?

You mean alter the gun to take those calibers? A new barrel. AS stated the bolt will work on all those calibers.

.243?

Yes. That one too. Although if it were me, and I was going to re-barrel a gun, I'd go to Remington 6mm or 6.5mm before .243. Just because the 6mm stuff has a bit longer barrel life than .243.

milotrain
09-15-2013, 10:49 AM
So what exactly would be needed to alter calibers?

A barrel chambered in the round mounted to your action and properly headspaced. If you want an internal or external magazine then you would need to get matching bottom metal but if you just want to shoot it single shot then you are fine. There are also many of the above rounds that are based on a other cases so a rifle in .30-06 shouldn't have a problem with it's internal magazine holding .25-06 rounds.

Yes also .243, and others.

Forrestchump
09-15-2013, 2:03 PM
Perfect! I have an old .243 and would like to build a 308 out of it. What's a good website to look for the pieces I need? Barrel, bottom metal, stock, etc

milotrain
09-15-2013, 2:18 PM
I'd caution you against the conversion only because the .243 is a pretty great round which is very capable. What do you want the .308 for?

If you are looking to rebuild it then you'll want to find a gunsmith, this is not an at home project unless you already know how to do it, own a lathe and know how to chamber a barrel. They can source everything for you. Barrels run the gamut from $75 pull offs on gunbroker to $400 cut rifled and custom profiled barrels, you need to know what you want to do with it first.

STiLife
09-15-2013, 4:18 PM
thank you for posting that link for grabagun. I purchased that weapon today! Finally in the bolt action scene!

kcjr1125
09-15-2013, 4:20 PM
Grabagun also has a new financing option.

Forrestchump
09-15-2013, 6:11 PM
I'd caution you against the conversion only because the .243 is a pretty great round which is very capable. What do you want the .308 for?

If you are looking to rebuild it then you'll want to find a gunsmith, this is not an at home project unless you already know how to do it, own a lathe and know how to chamber a barrel. They can source everything for you. Barrels run the gamut from $75 pull offs on gunbroker to $400 cut rifled and custom profiled barrels, you need to know what you want to do with it first.

I have two 700's chambered in 243. One is nice, and one is old and ugly. So if one becomes a 308, its not like I'm not ditching my coyote gun......diverssify, ssee.....And I don't have a .308. I was thinking of going the route of the op, but if I already have one, what the heck.
I did see the 700 adl for $399 at sportsmans warehouse today.

STiLife
09-15-2013, 6:24 PM
The weird thing is that if you click on the link for the r700 on the second post it shows up on the site but if you go directly to the site and search for it I can't find it

Forrestchump
09-15-2013, 6:40 PM
Still let you buy it though right?

STiLife
09-15-2013, 6:49 PM
Yep. Got a confirmation order # so I'm sure its fine.

ar15barrels
09-15-2013, 7:53 PM
Although if it were me, and I was going to re-barrel a gun, I'd go to Remington 6mm or 6.5mm before .243. Just because the 6mm stuff has a bit longer barrel life than .243.

WTF?

243 amd 6mm are the same bore size...

TMB 1
09-15-2013, 8:11 PM
Actually the 6mm Remington is slightly hotter than the 243 Winchester. Enough hotter to effect barrel life IDK?

Exodus343
09-15-2013, 9:07 PM
grab a gun just cleaned house
a lot of their inventory is not on their page anymore :(

hermosabeach
09-15-2013, 9:33 PM
CDNNINVESTMENTS has Rem 700 take off barrels in stock...

Download the catalog and you can see what they have...

STiLife
09-15-2013, 9:56 PM
did I just buy the last r700 sps 24in in .308? lol its a project gun so don't care about that barrel too much. Probably going to switch it out in the future. I hope I didn't buy it before they updated their inventory. I guess ill know in the morning

ar15barrels
09-15-2013, 11:03 PM
Actually the 6mm Remington is slightly hotter than the 243 Winchester. Enough hotter to effect barrel life IDK?

The 6mm Remington is a long action cartridge that burns more powder than a 243 winchester and wears out barrels faster with only a small gain in velocity.

A 6mm barrel groove size is 0.243".

kendog4570
09-15-2013, 11:08 PM
Actually the 6mm Remington is slightly hotter than the 243 Winchester. Enough hotter to effect barrel life IDK?

They are both overbore cartridges. Barrel life is minimal compared other rounds, like the 308. You will be fortunate to get 2000 rounds out of either before the barrel gives it up.

STiLife
09-16-2013, 12:25 AM
the link was taken down after my order was placed. I hope I got one of the last ones....

TMB 1
09-16-2013, 8:18 AM
The 6mm Remington is a long action cartridge that burns more powder than a 243 winchester and wears out barrels faster with only a small gain in velocity.

A 6mm barrel groove size is 0.243".

I already knew 6mm & 243 used same bullets. I have a Remington 660(short action) in 6mm Rem. It wont gain anything on the 243 with same 20" barrel except muzzle flash. With 24" barrel it has a slight gain. In a long action seems it would gain even more because of ability to seat bullets longer?

NorCalFocus
09-16-2013, 11:12 AM
6mm is .244 acutally. But I believe its slightly better round.

Ewcmr2
09-16-2013, 5:35 PM
Also many rounds use the same bolt face.

.30-06, .308, 260, 7mm-08, .284, 6.5x284, .22-250, 220 swift, 6.5x55, 6.5x47, 6x47, 25-06, .280, 8x57, 8mm-06, 338-06, 35 whelen. Uncle Darryl's old 30-06 can run a whole lot of stuff without changing the bolt.
Long action and short action use a different bolt (30-06 vs .308 or .270 vs 7mm-08). The bolt face may be the same but if the bolt doesn't fit in the receiver it wont do you much good.

milotrain
09-16-2013, 6:09 PM
Long action and short action use a different bolt
We aren't talking about swapping bolts, we are talking about using a long action with a bolt face of .470 and a barrel chambered in any one of the many cartridges to use that bolt face. A Remington 700 long action receiver with a .470 bolt has no idea weather it's a .30-06 receiver or a .270 receiver or any other of that list.

Ewcmr2
09-16-2013, 7:39 PM
Gotcha, my bad, I thought you were saying they would all work up and down. Not just short to long or long to long.

ar15barrels
09-16-2013, 9:52 PM
6mm is .244 acutally. But I believe its slightly better round.

That was just the other name for it.
Barrels have 0.243" grooves and bullets still measure 0.243" diameter.

baja619
09-17-2013, 2:04 AM
How do I determine if my R700 30.06 is long action or short action?

Wrangler John
09-17-2013, 4:21 AM
How do I determine if my R700 30.06 is long action or short action?

It's a long action. The .30-06 Springfield will not fit into the short action magazine, nor is the bolt throw long enough to feed and eject it. So now that I'm started, here we go:

Remington 700 standard cartridge long actions can be rebarreled to any cartridge with a .473" bolt face. The bolt face can be altered to accept magnum cartridges, or the bolt replaced, but that adds expense to the proposition for little practical gain. The .30-06 Springfield cartridge is one of the all time classical hunting rounds capable of taking any game in North America.

Here is brief listing of Remington 700receivers available, note the Q&A button on each. www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-amp-action-parts/receivers/one-piece-receivers/remington-700-receivers-prod32498.aspx

Other practical cartridges include the .257 Roberts (although it works in the short action, I have three, the long action will work and allow the heaviest bullets to be seated out longer if the barrel throat is cut for the extra length), .25-06 Remington, 6mm Remington (the 7mm Mauser necked down, I experimented one and it didn't burn the barrel more than any other cartridge), 7mm Mauser, .270 Winchester, .280 Remington and .280 Remington Ackley Improved (now a factory loading from Nosler), .35 Whelen (loaded by Barnes, Federal, Hornady, Nosler and Remington), and the 9.3x62mm Mauser.

All the short action cartridges can be barreled for, .243 Winchester, .260 Remington, 7mm-08 Remington, etc.. Keep in mind that these cartridges may require blocking or placing cartridge stops in the magazine box to gain reliable functioning or prevent recoil from battering the bullet noses during recoil.

Remington 700's receivers, both short and long, can be rebarreled by converting to the Savage barrel nut system. The new Remington Model 783 is manufactured with just that type of nut. Indeed the 783 is as close to a Savage clone as I have seen recently. http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-783/model-783.aspx At one time I predicted that all factory rifles would be manufactured using a barrel nut or the AR barrel extension/bolt system, so far that is the developing trend. The advantage to the AR system is that the receiver can be made from aluminum alloy.

Any Remington 700 barreled action can be sent to Pac-Nor Barreling and rebarreled with the Pac-Nut (Remington barrel nut) that allows for user swapped barrels using Savage tools. http://www.pac-nor.com/photo_gallery/pacnut-clup-lg.jpg Although this requires an investment in tools and headspace gauges, and knowledge of the techniques involved. Bergara Barrels of Spain also makes Remington 700 replacement barrels that install with a nut. http://bergarausa.com/store.php?shop=Barrels&category=Remington%20model%20700#l Although the selection is limited and demand is high keeping the supply low. These are top quality barrels made almost entirely on CNC and robotic machines.

Remington 700 rifles and receivers are just about the best thing going for a balance of value, accuracy and longevity. Only the Savage action is easier to work with and swap between cartridges and barrels, but some say it's too butt ugly for their tastes. The Savage action is such a good concept that Shilen has adapted it for their DGV and DGR actions, right down to the barrel nut and floating interchangeable bolt heads. http://www.shilen.com/productsCompleteRifles.html

baja619
09-17-2013, 8:45 AM
wow. Lots of good info there. Thanks!