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sailor74
09-14-2013, 1:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uytrNzWDC0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

gobler
09-14-2013, 1:22 AM
http:// https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uytrNzWDC0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

what the hell?? this goes to the shotgun bill...

Carnivore
09-14-2013, 1:24 AM
Yes because I can get a CCW and don't care to open carry. Besides cops are D***s all over so nothing new to see really.


?v=3uytrNzWDC0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

JDay
09-14-2013, 1:31 AM
I doubt this would happen in Arizona, their firearms laws are much better.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03108.htm

A. Except as provided in subsection F of this section, a political subdivision of this state shall not enact any ordinance, rule or tax relating to the transportation, possession, carrying, sale, transfer, purchase, acquisition, gift, devise, storage, licensing, registration, discharge or use of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components or related accessories in this state.

B. A political subdivision of this state shall not require the licensing or registration of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components or related accessories or prohibit the ownership, purchase, sale or transfer of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components, or related accessories.

C. A political subdivision of this state shall not require or maintain a record in any form, whether permanent or temporary, including a list, log or database, of any of the following:

1. Any identifying information of a person who leaves a weapon in temporary storage at any public establishment or public event, except that the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event may require that a person provide a government issued identification or a reasonable copy of a government issued identification for the purpose of establishing ownership of the weapon. The operator or sponsor shall store any provided identification with the weapon and shall return the identification to the person when the weapon is retrieved. The operator or sponsor shall not retain records or copies of any identification provided pursuant to this paragraph after the weapon is retrieved.

2. Except in the course of a law enforcement investigation, any identifying information of a person who purchases, sells or transfers a firearm, unless the transaction involves a federally licensed firearms dealer.

3. The description, including the serial number, of a weapon that is left in temporary storage at any public establishment or public event.

D. A political subdivision of this state shall not enact any rule or ordinance that relates to firearms and is more prohibitive than or that has a penalty that is greater than any state law penalty. A political subdivision's rule or ordinance that relates to firearms and that is inconsistent with or more restrictive than state law, whether enacted before or after the effective date of the amendment to this section, is null and void.

E. A political subdivision of this state shall not enact any ordinance, rule or regulation limiting the lawful taking of wildlife during an open season established by the Arizona game and fish commission unless the ordinance, rule or regulation is consistent with title 17 and rules and orders adopted by the Arizona game and fish commission. This subsection does not prevent a political subdivision from adopting an ordinance or rule restricting the discharge of a firearm within one-fourth mile of an occupied structure. For purposes of this subsection, "take" has the same meaning prescribed in section 17-101.

F. This section does not prohibit a political subdivision of this state from enacting and enforcing any ordinance or rule pursuant to state law or relating to any of the following:

1. Imposing any privilege or use tax on the retail sale, lease or rental of, or the gross proceeds or gross income from the sale, lease or rental of, firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components at a rate that applies generally to other items of tangible personal property.

2. Prohibiting a minor who is unaccompanied by a parent, grandparent or guardian or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with the consent of the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian from knowingly possessing or carrying on the minor's person, within the minor's immediate control or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place that is open to the public or on any street or highway or on any private property except private property that is owned or leased by the minor or the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian. Any ordinance or rule that is adopted pursuant to this paragraph shall not apply to a minor who is fourteen, fifteen, sixteen or seventeen years of age and who is engaged in any of the following:

(a) Lawful hunting or shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited.

(b) Lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of lawful hunting.

(c) Lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of attending shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited.

(d) Any activity that is related to the production of crops, livestock, poultry, livestock products, poultry products or ratites or storage of agricultural commodities.

3. The regulation of land and structures, including a business relating to firearms or ammunition or their components or a shooting range in the same manner as other commercial businesses. Notwithstanding any other law, this paragraph does not authorize a political subdivision to regulate the sale or transfer of firearms on property it owns, leases, operates or controls in a manner that is different than or inconsistent with state law. For the purposes of this paragraph, a use permit or other contract that provides for the use of property owned, leased, operated or controlled by a political subdivision shall not be considered a sale, conveyance or disposition of property.

4. Regulating employees or independent contractors of the political subdivision who are acting within the course and scope of their employment or contract.

5. Limiting or prohibiting the discharge of firearms in parks and preserves except:

(a) As allowed pursuant to chapter 4 of this title.

(b) On a properly supervised range as defined in section 13-3107.

(c) In an area approved as a hunting area by the Arizona game and fish department. Any such area may be closed when deemed unsafe by the director of the Arizona game and fish department.

(d) To control nuisance wildlife by permit from the Arizona game and fish department or the United States fish and wildlife service.

(e) By special permit of the chief law enforcement officer of the political subdivision.

(f) As required by an animal control officer in performing duties specified in section 9-499.04 and title 11, chapter 7, article 6.

(g) In self-defense or defense of another person against an animal attack if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force against the animal is immediately necessary and reasonable under the circumstances to protect oneself or the other person.

G. A violation of any ordinance established pursuant to subsection F, paragraph 5 of this section is a class 2 misdemeanor unless the political subdivision designates a lesser classification by ordinance.

H. For the purposes of this section, "political subdivision" includes a political subdivision acting in any capacity, including under police power, in a proprietary capacity or otherwise.

sailor74
09-14-2013, 1:32 AM
what the hell?? this goes to the shotgun bill...


Sorry, try it now

gobler
09-14-2013, 1:42 AM
Yes because I can get a CCW and don't care to open carry. Besides cops are D***s all over so nothing new to see really.


?v=3uytrNzWDC0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Don't wory, after a few law suits, reprimands and "corrections" by the department it will stop.

johnthomas
09-14-2013, 1:46 AM
OP, you pick one video and condemn the State of Texas? California is so much better, don't you think? Our gun laws and the ones that carry them out are the best in the country. Geeeezzz

Uriah02
09-14-2013, 1:46 AM
If not Texas it isn't hard to find a more free state than PRK... That and it being an Inforwars production they take every opportunity to encourage the government conspiracy crowd.

2nd Mass
09-14-2013, 2:41 AM
Hmmm...that was...interesting. At least the LEO read the paperwork and let him go. Either way this is the California 2A forum. You might need to close and repost in the national 2A forum. Now move away from the sidewalk. :D

merrill
09-14-2013, 6:37 AM
Let me see, he wanted to carry his guns to the capitol and show his appreciation and to his puzzlement the police jumped his ***? He's lucky the state trooper sniper on the capitol building didn't drop him right there in the park. Find another way to show your appreciation and quit acting like a fool.

BlueRidge62
09-14-2013, 6:42 AM
Let me see, he wanted to carry his guns to the capitol and show his appreciation and to his puzzlement the police jumped his ***? He's lucky the state trooper sniper on the capitol building didn't drop him right there in the park. Find another way to show your appreciation and quit acting like a fool.

This ^^^^

glock7
09-14-2013, 6:46 AM
all the big cities are progressive and anti gun. go to a smaller city in texas and you'll be fine.

NOTABIKER
09-14-2013, 8:16 AM
Texas is close to becoming a Democrat dominated state. as more illegals move in and become voters things will change. same for Colorado, New Mexico. and Nevada is becoming a big city liberal state. AZ is the only state trying to keep their state illegal free. why move to a state that in 10 years or less will be like CA.
20 years ago i did not think CA would become what it is. we make Florida voters look like Roads Scholars.:confused:

totus44
09-14-2013, 8:22 AM
Texas...great people, lots to like there. But that state will be assaulted by the left, trying to use amnesty to turn it blue. Only red-state minded folks from CA, NY, CT, NJ and MD should be allowed in.

Colorado just moved back up the list, but Utah is my front runner. Nothing like a 'down on booze', 'high on religion' state to discourage liberals from moving there. I'd rather live in a state where I'm a bootlegger rather than a felon in CA.

vmwerks
09-14-2013, 8:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uytrNzWDC0&feature=youtube_gdata_player


The guy was asking for a beat down.. he's no different that the a55hole open carry guys here in California. Shove something in peoples faces and you WILL get a reaction.

Synopsis: Guy studies the intricacies of a particular law, finds a loophole then challenges a police office to a confrontation. Do we really expect every police officer to know every intricacy of every law? And please do not tell me that carrying a piece of paper with the law on it is your shield. The officer did the right thing in the interest of public safety and it's why we have courts... let the judge figure it out. Luckily the guy got away with it... think it's better here in California?

Bottom line OP: You will not move to Texas because a cop out of thousands did something you don't agree with? Go move to a deserted island...

valley82
09-14-2013, 8:45 AM
Yes, Texas is a much better state than this s@&$ hole. The democrats have turned this state into a godless, government union run septic tank. Here Illegals get drivers licenses and shortly...amnesty for breaking the law, citizens get to become felons by way of the new anti 2a laws...

CitaDeL
09-14-2013, 8:45 AM
You folks taking sides against forms of carry that are unfettered by state influence should invest in some remediation of your understanding of the second amendment.

The people suggesting that anyone is looking for a 'beat down' for exersizing a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights should also expect a beat down for the things you say, write and think, for the god you worship, for not complying with a search of your person, property and effects, for not confessing your guilt before an officer of the state, and for demanding due process through a speedy trial by a jury of your peers.

oldleo123
09-14-2013, 8:53 AM
Open carry permits need to include an IQ test

MadMax
09-14-2013, 8:57 AM
LOL at you even comparing the two

Chatterbox
09-14-2013, 9:06 AM
The guy was asking for a beat down.. he's no different that the a55hole open carry guys here in California. Shove something in peoples faces and you WILL get a reaction.


Police should also beat down people with AR-15s at the ranges, for shoving them into people's faces.


Synopsis: Guy studies the intricacies of a particular law, finds a loophole then challenges a police office to a confrontation. Do we really expect every police officer to know every intricacy of every law?


Try that line in court "But judge, do you really expect everybody to know every intricacy of every law?". You'll quickly learn that in fact, yes, we do really expect it.

1CavScout
09-14-2013, 9:11 AM
I lived in Texas when I was in the Army. I don't miss the crappy weather, but the people and gun laws were great. I had some run in with LEO's because I had California plates on my truck and MC. Once they figured out I was military, they let me go. If you have California plates expect attention in the smaller towns there.

I have a place in AZ, and I would take AZ over Texas. Better gun laws, and the weather is better (it's hot but not humid and no tornados). It's also a short drive to the California coast when the weather gets too hot.

kentactic
09-14-2013, 9:13 AM
You guys are just pullin my leg right? Everyone knows the grass is always greener in another state. That's why we all dream of moving away right?

.... Same crap different state....

Texas is damn near purple these days.

SemperFi1775
09-14-2013, 9:14 AM
there will always be bone heads in any organization, no exception....

some of them have s*** for brains...

Baconator
09-14-2013, 9:18 AM
They should find a way to incorporate those bike helmets into their cowboy hats.

dtelston
09-14-2013, 9:34 AM
Leave it to a couple knuckle heads like that to do something blatantly stupid like they did and then post it on YouTube as a glorified "I know my rights and the police are out to get us all" video (and I am in no way affiliated with any sort of law enforcement on any level).

And Texas might be on their way to the left, but their 2A laws are still head and shoulders above any of the repressive leftist states. Heck, even the next toughest guns states after CA, NY, MA, IL, NJ, and HI, such as CT, are about as gun friendly as can be.

X-NewYawker
09-14-2013, 9:46 AM
Yes. Texas is on my Real Estate tour this year. They will fight going Blue a lot longer than "roll over on my back and spread my cheeks" California did. Remember WHY we are losing the state: We have 12% of the country's population and 33% of the welfare cases.

kmca
09-14-2013, 9:58 AM
The guy was asking for a beat down.. he's no different that the a55hole open carry guys here in California. Shove something in peoples faces and you WILL get a reaction.

Synopsis: Guy studies the intricacies of a particular law, finds a loophole then challenges a police office to a confrontation. Do we really expect every police officer to know every intricacy of every law? And please do not tell me that carrying a piece of paper with the law on it is your shield. The officer did the right thing in the interest of public safety and it's why we have courts... let the judge figure it out. Luckily the guy got away with it... think it's better here in California?

Bottom line OP: You will not move to Texas because a cop out of thousands did something you don't agree with? Go move to a deserted island...
No, I don't expect every LEO to know every law, but I do expect them to know a law they are enforcing that violates my rights and could end up costing me a lot of money. It's easy to say "let the courts sort it out", but it's going to be expensive.

fanof1911forlife
09-14-2013, 10:33 AM
Yes, Texas is a much better state than this s@&$ hole. The democrats have turned this state into a godless, government union run septic tank. Here Illegals get drivers licenses and shortly...amnesty for breaking the law, citizens get to become felons by way of the new anti 2a laws...

Plus 1

kaligaran
09-14-2013, 3:25 PM
So open carry of handguns is illegal in TX (even with a CCW) Sec 46.003.

So this guy finds specific wording where black powder guns aren't considered handguns (or whatever the specific exception is) and puts in a holster (which looks just like any other handgun) and goes and OC's it.

He was clearly baiting police.

Was he legal in doing it? Yes
Do I blame the police for investigating it? No.
Were the cops dicks? Yes

kentactic
09-15-2013, 9:43 AM
Yes. Texas is on my Real Estate tour this year. They will fight going Blue a lot longer than "roll over on my back and spread my cheeks" California did. Remember WHY we are losing the state: We have 12% of the country's population and 33% of the welfare cases.

Texas will be blue within 10 years. The supposidly gun slinger state of Texas dosent even have open carry... I never really understood why everyone looked to Texas for a model of 2A rights. Its way too heavily populated to survive liberalism. Any heavily populated area takes over the state. CO has denver.. done.. WY has only 500, 000 people but that pesky cheyenne of 60, 000(biggest city in WY) is taking the whole state down. Texas is doomed.

rayz13
09-15-2013, 9:56 AM
the officers were probably newbies from california

kentactic
09-15-2013, 10:05 AM
the officers were probably newbies from california

Pre brainwashed officers are in high demand right now. Texas probably paid extra for them.

eyestothesky
09-15-2013, 12:01 PM
Texas...great people, lots to like there. But that state will be assaulted by the left, trying to use amnesty to turn it blue. Only red-state minded folks from CA, NY, CT, NJ and MD should be allowed in.


I love CA and will still continue to support Calguns, but I am moving to Texas next month and will do my part there to keep it a free state.

Rail
09-15-2013, 10:03 PM
Texas will be blue within 10 years. The supposidly gun slinger state of Texas dosent even have open carry... I never really understood why everyone looked to Texas for a model of 2A rights. Its way too heavily populated to survive liberalism. Any heavily populated area takes over the state. CO has denver.. done.. WY has only 500, 000 people but that pesky cheyenne of 60, 000(biggest city in WY) is taking the whole state down. Texas is doomed.

Texas isn't turning blue for another 30 years. It's similar to California when it comes to census statistics, but it couldn't be more different on voting patterns.