www.SaveTheSecond.com

[ei9htzer0]

I received an email notifying me of a petition Eric Cantor is promoting in response to the Bush Administration’s poor decision to ask SCOTUS to not strike down Washington DC’s gun ban law. I know petitions aren’t much, but it’s the principle that matters - so I signed it anyway. How about visiting SavetheSecond.com and adding your name to the list? :D

www.SaveTheSecond.com

[gazzavc]

Done.

[RideIcon]

done, i liked the video

[Davidk]

done

[phbiggs]

#485 here.

[RJ Dunn]

DONE #705

[ei9htzer0]

Excellent! Keep it up and spread the word!

[c20rj]

#723 Done!

[What Just Happened?]

#971

[Nikola]

I'm 978

[impactco]

988 done.

[AfricanHunter]

987

[ShooterMcGavin]

1,000!

[Nuuze]

1002

[N6ATF]

1010

[mikehaas]

Without making a comment on this particular effort, years ago I learned of enough problems with unofficial "pro-gun" petitions that I now avoid them - ESPECIALLY online petitions. I hate to rain on an enthusiastic parade, but as has already been hinted at here, they carry no legal weight. And IMO, it's NOT just the principle of the thing that matters, there are dangers...

Unofficial petitions can be data-farming scams. With official petitions (as approved by a Sec. of State's office for an initiative), there are severe penalties for misusing the personal information collected. For example, all copies of the data must be destroyed at some point when no longer needed for "official" use. It cannot be used for any other purpose. With unofficial, off-the-cuff "civilian" petitions, there's nothing that prevents the petition hosters from turning around and selling the lists they've collected or worse. Remember, every "pro-gun" petition becomes a list of gun-owners. So who is compiling the list and why?

I notice that NRA doesn't use petitions, they use postcards sent to their members that target issues/elections. IMO, NRA tries hard not to waste the time or resources of it's members on tactics that rely on "principle" only. (How many lawmakers have principles anyway?) NRA leaders have also vowed to go to jail before they will reveal their membership lists - THAT's how important list of gun-owners are.

Lastly, even if an unofficial petition is on the up & up, there's no penalty for whatever government official(s) you deliver it to simply dropping it in the trash. So, is it worth the risk? The names are unverified and a list can be created by a single nut in a basement. The lawmaker can make an arguiment that the workings of government should not be affected by unofficial, unverifiable input. After all, how angry would *WE* be if we learned that a single government decision had been made based on an online petition from the Bradys?

[mikehaas]

In 2001, we staged a "Virtual Rally" that really set Sacramento on its ear.

See http://www.nrawinningteam.com/0105/camc.html

There are 120 members of the California state legislature (80 Assembly and 40 Senate). Imagine 120 letters going to ONE lawmakers office, all (except 1) addressed to OTHER lawmakers. Know that they are required to forward those other 119 letters to the right offices (in inter-office mail). So what happens if EVERY lawmaker gets a package like that? Think about it.

We hand-delivered over 32,000 letters and over 11,000 emails to Sacramento IN ONE DAY. (The most the Brady's had ever conjoured up was a conventional 4,000 postcard delivery - BIG DEAL :-) It took months of planning and teamwork, but no "online petition" EVER had that kind of effect.

Mike

[GenLee]

Done..1502

[Bruce]

Does anybody know what exactly it is they've signed their name to? There isn't any text posted on the link. :confused:

[Pulsar]

#2100

[wilit]

Yikes. I was only #2126. Better spread the link around if we want to break 3000 before March.

[sbjmg]

2139

[petey]

It looks like Eric Cantor is up for reelection. Those of you who are in the Seventh District of Virginia can probably expect to receive some campaign spam or junk mail.

[wasabe]

Here's the whois data for "www.savethesecond.com":

Registrant
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(480) 624-2599 Phone
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savethesecond.com@domainsbyproxy.com

Administrative Contact
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(480) 624-2599 Phone
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15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
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Technical Contact
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(480) 624-2599 Phone
(480) 624-2599 Fax
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United States
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Registered Through
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Domain Name: savethesecond.com
Created on: 2008-01-12 11:38:33
Expires on: 2009-01-12 16:38:33
Last Updated on: 2008-01-12 11:38:34

Have a look at http://www.domainsbyproxy.com

If this is Eric Cantors petition it seems odd the registrar info would be private...

[Phantom_Piney]

Done...I'm number 2673 :patriot:

[Smokeybehr]

I'm #3244, so we're well over 3000...

[Californio]

Without making a comment on this particular effort, years ago I learned of enough problems with unofficial "pro-gun" petitions that I now avoid them - ESPECIALLY online petitions. I hate to rain on an enthusiastic parade, but as has already been hinted at here, they carry no legal weight. And IMO, it's NOT just the principle of the thing that matters, there are dangers...

Unofficial petitions can be data-farming scams. With official petitions (as approved by a Sec. of State's office for an initiative), there are severe penalties for misusing the personal information collected. For example, all copies of the data must be destroyed at some point when no longer needed for "official" use. It cannot be used for any other purpose. With unofficial, off-the-cuff "civilian" petitions, there's nothing that prevents the petition hosters from turning around and selling the lists they've collected or worse. Remember, every "pro-gun" petition becomes a list of gun-owners. So who is compiling the list and why?

I notice that NRA doesn't use petitions, they use postcards sent to their members that target issues/elections. IMO, NRA tries hard not to waste the time or resources of it's members on tactics that rely on "principle" only. (How many lawmakers have principles anyway?) NRA leaders have also vowed to go to jail before they will reveal their membership lists - THAT's how important list of gun-owners are.

Lastly, even if an unofficial petition is on the up & up, there's no penalty for whatever government official(s) you deliver it to simply dropping it in the trash. So, is it worth the risk? The names are unverified and a list can be created by a single nut in a basement. The lawmaker can make an arguiment that the workings of government should not be affected by unofficial, unverifiable input. After all, how angry would *WE* be if we learned that a single government decision had been made based on an online petition from the Bradys?

I agree, it is better to flood the GOP Chairman with emails than a Petition that may or may not be presented.

[ei9htzer0]

That's an excellent point that I hadn't considered. I suppose I just jumped on the bandwagon on this one and neglected to think through the dangers that may exist.

Mike, thanks again for everything that you do.

Without making a comment on this particular effort, years ago I learned of enough problems with unofficial "pro-gun" petitions that I now avoid them - ESPECIALLY online petitions. I hate to rain on an enthusiastic parade, but as has already been hinted at here, they carry no legal weight. And IMO, it's NOT just the principle of the thing that matters, there are dangers...

Unofficial petitions can be data-farming scams. With official petitions (as approved by a Sec. of State's office for an initiative), there are severe penalties for misusing the personal information collected. For example, all copies of the data must be destroyed at some point when no longer needed for "official" use. It cannot be used for any other purpose. With unofficial, off-the-cuff "civilian" petitions, there's nothing that prevents the petition hosters from turning around and selling the lists they've collected or worse. Remember, every "pro-gun" petition becomes a list of gun-owners. So who is compiling the list and why?

I notice that NRA doesn't use petitions, they use postcards sent to their members that target issues/elections. IMO, NRA tries hard not to waste the time or resources of it's members on tactics that rely on "principle" only. (How many lawmakers have principles anyway?) NRA leaders have also vowed to go to jail before they will reveal their membership lists - THAT's how important list of gun-owners are.

Lastly, even if an unofficial petition is on the up & up, there's no penalty for whatever government official(s) you deliver it to simply dropping it in the trash. So, is it worth the risk? The names are unverified and a list can be created by a single nut in a basement. The lawmaker can make an arguiment that the workings of government should not be affected by unofficial, unverifiable input. After all, how angry would *WE* be if we learned that a single government decision had been made based on an online petition from the Bradys?

[shiizz0n]

done, and reposted in rifleman's forum lol

[C.G.]

#5457.

[MT1]

Done.

[Biff...]

done and done

[bwiese]

If you're answering a poll, it ain't gonna do much good.

I'm betting you're being trolled for your info as members of a demographic.

[ei9htzer0]

I just clicked on the submit button without entering any information and it counted it - very odd.

I also called the Cantor office today and the lady didn't know what I was talking about, but will attempt to confirm and call back as soon as she can.