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beerg8ggles
09-12-2013, 10:25 PM
Looking into bolt guns, interested in the Accuracy International Stock paired with a Remington 700. Anyone have this combo or anything similar?

I confess... too much COD and I just like the look of the Ballista!!

Done all the Google search and Youtube reviews, wondering if anyone on Calguns has any experience with the AI 1.5 stock (non-folding) and how easy it was to mount the 700 barrel to it.

Exodus343
09-12-2013, 10:35 PM
the AICs is a chassis

just drop the barreled action onto the aluminum bedding block, torque the action screws to factory recommended specs, and your good to go

pretty easy

you just need the action screws provided by AI (maybe your r700 action screws I do not know because I don't own one :( )
your barreled action
and a torque wrench


easy

Exodus343
09-12-2013, 10:37 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/a03bec9934420341f6e9da8d58e5d42e/tumblr_mri99b6lQ01rth37fo1_1280.jpg




Dear Santa :(

beerg8ggles
09-12-2013, 10:56 PM
^ Droooool. Goshdamn that thing is bee-u-teeee-ful!!!

I'm guessing that's not the 700 barrel... probably the full AICS setup?

whatwhy
09-12-2013, 11:34 PM
I, too, have the same questions.

Does this improve accuracy over an HS Precision stock? I like that it has an adjustable cheek rest and thumbhole and all that. But other than the look, what's the verdict?

ExtremeX
09-12-2013, 11:59 PM
Looking into bolt guns, interested in the Accuracy International Stock paired with a Remington 700. Anyone have this combo or anything similar?



That's what I run.

AICS 2.0 in FDE
Rem 700 SPS Tactical .308 Win
SWFA SS HD 5-20x50
Timney Trigger
Harris Bipod

For me it was pure ergonomics, I am extremely comfortable behind it. I hear AICS chassis is either love or hate it. I took a chance on it, bought before I tried and it worked out for me.

Get the 2.0 folding chassis... Its been a nice feature as it folds up shorter than my AR with the stock collapsed.

ExtremeX
09-13-2013, 12:04 AM
I, too, have the same questions.

Does this improve accuracy over an HS Precision stock? I like that it has an adjustable cheek rest and thumbhole and all that. But other than the look, what's the verdict?

I honestly can’t answer that question, because I never shot it with the Hogue stock or tried anything else. But I would venture to guess hand loading your own ammo is going to make a bigger difference... I'm sure the chassis doesn't hurt.

This is a factory barreled action (Rem 700 SPS Tac 308) dropped into the chassis. No barrel or action work.

I had plans to get an aftermarket barrel soon after I got the rifle, but after shooting it, I think I’ll leave it alone.

100 yards – 5 shot groups
I can consistently get these results… so these aren’t some cherry picked groups.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=260937&d=1377668583
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=260936&d=1377668579

Mr.Caketown
09-13-2013, 12:39 AM
^ Droooool. Goshdamn that thing is bee-u-teeee-ful!!!

I'm guessing that's not the 700 barrel... probably the full AICS setup?

I dont know if thats the full AICS setup , the Accuracy Internation knobs are normally round

ExtremeX
09-13-2013, 12:46 AM
I dont know if thats the full AICS setup , the Accuracy Internation knobs are normally round

Pretty sure that's a Rem 700 in the AICS.

To the OP... Its not called a full AICS... the AICS (Accuracy International Chassis System) is just that, a chassis for a Rem 700.

The rifle from Accuracy International would be the AE MkIII or the AW series rifle. AX Series for the pistol grip version which they also sell as a Rem 700 upgrade (AX AICS)

Wrangler John
09-13-2013, 4:03 AM
In my opinion, they're a waste of money unless the testosterone stimulating tacticool appearance is the driving factor. $1,300 Will buy a lot of stuff to blow it on appearances.

Love butt ugly tactical type stocks with an aluminum bedding chassis? Here is one for $450 on sale that will do everything the average shooter will need. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-108/bell-carlson-adjustable-tactical/Detail

Here's the one I use for varmint rifles to kill small things at long range. Good for scope use, aluminum chassis and will wring out all the accuracy a Remington rifle is capable of: http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-553/bell-carlson-medalist-tactical/Detail Note it costs only $237.00. Of course it doesn't look like much and it'll never be found on the set of a Riddick movie.

Add this to the above and you got cool detachable magazines. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-473/Wyatt%27s-Outdoor-Detachable-Magazine/Detail These suckers are true drop-in on Bell & Carlson and HS Precision aluminum chassis stocks. I installed one in five minutes.

Like that plumber's nightmare look, want to call yourself an "operator" instead of shooter? Want to save about $300. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-626/JP-Enterprises-ACMS-%28Advanced/Detail This sucker is Vin Diesel approved, and just the sight of it made Dianne Feinstein pee her pants.

How about one that doesn't quite look like something cobbled together from leftovers from a Transformer movie, but still is a tactical stock used by professional "operators". Only $567. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-368/M-dsh-24-Sniper-Weapon-tactical/Detail

Want something McMillian that the real guys use? It doesn't have an aluminum chassis, but what the hell if the Marines can drag it around and find it golden, maybe it doesn't need one. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-621/McMillan-A4-Adjustable-U.S.M.C./Detail Costs $900 and the savings can go toward the Accuracy International M5 Detachable Magazine Kit, $119 - $264. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-610/M5-Stealth-DM-M24/Detail

So anyway, you get the idea, there's a lot out there to choose from but blow $1,300 on a mechanical stock? Not me.

Exodus343
09-13-2013, 6:02 AM
Hey OP, chef out both manners and McRee precision

vliberatore
09-13-2013, 6:36 AM
I, too, have the same questions.

Does this improve accuracy over an HS Precision stock? I like that it has an adjustable cheek rest and thumbhole and all that. But other than the look, what's the verdict?

A properly bedded high end stock will be more accurate than any chassis.

Hairball
09-13-2013, 8:19 AM
A properly bedded high end stock will be more accurate than any chassis.

This is not true.

I shoot both HS stocks and AIAX platforms and each style has its own positive and negative aspects.

Shovel
09-13-2013, 9:59 AM
I have a 700 police and before I had the rifle, I was planning on swapping the stock to the AI chassis. I got the rifle and I am pleased with the HS Precision stock. I had an opportunity to handle the AI Chassis a few months ago and I was not very impressed with the ergonomics. I have bigger hands but I just didn't like the way that it fit me. Whatever route you choose, try and handle/shoot that stock before you buy anything. The JP Enterprise looks a little more promising to me or even the JAE.

killshot44
09-13-2013, 10:46 AM
A properly bedded high end stock will be more accurate than any chassis.

This is not true.

I shoot both HS stocks and AIAX platforms and each style has its own positive and negative aspects.

It's actually very true. Most of the Field Precision shooters using an AI chassis have bedded the action for that reason.

postal
09-13-2013, 11:41 AM
^ Droooool. Goshdamn that thing is bee-u-teeee-ful!!!

I'm guessing that's not the 700 barrel... probably the full AICS setup?

After seeing enough brands in person, it gets easy to spot what's what. That is def a 700 action just glancing at the bolt. Easiest thing to spot is the shape of the rear end of the bolt. Not the bolt knob... people change those all the time.

The savage, 700 and AI bolts are all distinctly different. You run into confusion trying to ID a custom action though like surgeon/defiance/panda/etc. Dont see a WHOLE lot of those on the firing line.

Down side of the AICS is they're kinda heavy. As someone else said... people love em or hate em.

For a chassis system on the cheap, those Mcree's are pretty slick.

cocorador
09-13-2013, 11:45 AM
Since you're in San Ramon, I can maybe meet up with you at the Livermore range one day and let you try some out. I run them on most of my rifles. However, they are not for everyone. You either love them or hate them. To me, it's uncomfortable and heavy. But I seem to shoot better with the stock so I choose to use it. I did put the new skins on, with a pistol grip instead of a thumbhole, It now fits me better and I actually like it in this new configuration.

Just PM me. I don't check this site as often as I used to, too busy. But come winter, after hunting season, I should be shooting more. I will try to fallow this thread to see if you would like to try it. Good luck.

Just some advise, try it first and go from there.

Cypriss32
09-13-2013, 11:49 AM
It's actually very true. Most of the Field Precision shooters using an AI chassis have bedded the action for that reason.

Shot an ai for years, Idk 8 or so. Never bedded it and it shot just as well as any other guns. Maybe because it was a GAP 7wsm and they did some weird **** to it.

killshot44
09-13-2013, 4:19 PM
Shot an ai for years, Idk 8 or so. Never bedded it and it shot just as well as any other guns. Maybe because it was a GAP 7wsm and they did some weird **** to it.

Yeah, when I was helping a noted gun builder he had a number of AIs come through the shop for rebarrels, bedding etc. One had the action already dev-con'd/glued into the chassis - that one was a pain to work on.

milotrain
09-13-2013, 4:52 PM
RTS from Eliseo at gotxring.com. No bedding required.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DMwxZbR8ByY/UjO_pGTceMI/AAAAAAAABvE/nfZ6FxDpC-s/w600-h400-no/IMG_2964.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8354/8271354152_059b2aa2fe_b.jpg

vintagearms
09-13-2013, 5:05 PM
Can you make that pic any bigger. I can hardly see it. :D

milotrain
09-13-2013, 5:42 PM
sorry about that. fixing now. may want to fix your quote. :D

tacticalcity
09-13-2013, 7:41 PM
I used to sell these. Stopped simply because they were a pain to get. Really long wait as a seller just to get 1 or 2.

Amazing stock. I'm torn between McMillian custom fiberglass and these. I like them both a lot.

Cypriss32
09-13-2013, 9:20 PM
I'm getting an RTS for my next rifle! I live those they fit me perfectly.

postal
09-13-2013, 9:25 PM
Vintage would ya please edit that post....

I thought I had high speed internet until that pic came up twice.....

vintagearms
09-13-2013, 10:05 PM
Vintage would ya please edit that post....

I thought I had high speed internet until that pic came up twice.....

LOL. Done. :)

Exodus343
09-13-2013, 10:10 PM
RTS from Eliseo at gotxring.com. No bedding required.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DMwxZbR8ByY/UjO_pGTceMI/AAAAAAAABvE/nfZ6FxDpC-s/w600-h400-no/IMG_2964.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8354/8271354152_059b2aa2fe_b.jpg

very nice!

can't afford the $1000 price tag though

I think I will just get a HS precision with adjustable LOP, and bed it and get a Karsten ...

TZL
09-14-2013, 6:38 AM
Also look into the XLR Chassis

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q774/tinglouie/765B26F3-8765-438F-AAD2-25602F7AEB90-1208-0000008F1ABFC5FF_zps562abc05.jpg

Wrangler John
09-14-2013, 12:25 PM
I was gonna (yeah "was gonna", famous last words of a procrastinator) buy one of these for an old Remington 40X but went on to something else. Basic kit is $541 for the single shot or $762 for the repeater with one magazine, then you buy AR stuff, like a buffer tube, stock and pistol grip. http://www.tubegun.net/

I just didn't want to bother epoxying an action in it, because I usually wind up with that sticky crap all over everything. I use a lot of methylene chloride cleaning the plastic finger prints off barrels after doing a bedding job - :)

Cypriss32
09-14-2013, 3:03 PM
In my opinion, they're a waste of money unless the testosterone stimulating tacticool appearance is the driving factor. $1,300 Will buy a lot of stuff to blow it on appearances.

Love butt ugly tactical type stocks with an aluminum bedding chassis? Here is one for $450 on sale that will do everything the average shooter will need. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-108/bell-carlson-adjustable-tactical/Detail

Here's the one I use for varmint rifles to kill small things at long range. Good for scope use, aluminum chassis and will wring out all the accuracy a Remington rifle is capable of: http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-553/bell-carlson-medalist-tactical/Detail Note it costs only $237.00. Of course it doesn't look like much and it'll never be found on the set of a Riddick movie.

Add this to the above and you got cool detachable magazines. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-473/Wyatt%27s-Outdoor-Detachable-Magazine/Detail These suckers are true drop-in on Bell & Carlson and HS Precision aluminum chassis stocks. I installed one in five minutes.

Like that plumber's nightmare look, want to call yourself an "operator" instead of shooter? Want to save about $300. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-626/JP-Enterprises-ACMS-%28Advanced/Detail This sucker is Vin Diesel approved, and just the sight of it made Dianne Feinstein pee her pants.

How about one that doesn't quite look like something cobbled together from leftovers from a Transformer movie, but still is a tactical stock used by professional "operators". Only $567. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-368/M-dsh-24-Sniper-Weapon-tactical/Detail

Want something McMillian that the real guys use? It doesn't have an aluminum chassis, but what the hell if the Marines can drag it around and find it golden, maybe it doesn't need one. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-621/McMillan-A4-Adjustable-U.S.M.C./Detail Costs $900 and the savings can go toward the Accuracy International M5 Detachable Magazine Kit, $119 - $264. http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-610/M5-Stealth-DM-M24/Detail

So anyway, you get the idea, there's a lot out there to choose from but blow $1,300 on a mechanical stock? Not me.

This all makes me laugh over and over. $1300.00 for an AI stock? I see them all day for 1/2 that price, for the 1.5 model. They are well worth it......... If you like that stock. I like how the AI stocks are " testosterone stimulating tacticool appearance" but you love the A4 2x4 stock? Want to play USMC sniper much?

Iloveguns
09-14-2013, 7:47 PM
but you love the A4 2x4 stock? Want to play USMC sniper much?

I love the look of that stock! Ugly as all but some how I love it!

Cypriss32
09-14-2013, 8:21 PM
I love the look of that stock! Ugly as all but some how I love it!

Ya its really ugly, I had one and now its at my friends. Make him a spec M40A3, hes ex USMC sniper.

Wrangler John
09-18-2013, 10:25 AM
This all makes me laugh over and over. $1300.00 for an AI stock? I see them all day for 1/2 that price, for the 1.5 model. They are well worth it......... If you like that stock. I like how the AI stocks are " testosterone stimulating tacticool appearance" but you love the A4 2x4 stock? Want to play USMC sniper much?

I do not "like" any of the mechanical stocks, my comments were to explore the alternative styles and configuration available on the market, and with a bit of humor.

All my rifle stocks are either pillar equipped stress-free epoxy bedded wood laminates or synthetic aluminum chassis bedded stocks in traditional styles. I build or modify these to my specifications to fit my anatomy and varmint hunting needs.

In my opinion, all the tacticool equipment is a marketing tool except for the few that actually have a professional need for such features.

When writing an article covering any retail market product, be it rifle stocks, automobiles or electronics, etc., authors usually refer to the Manufacture's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP). This provides a standard baseline for comparison. That you have seen the AI stock for half the MSRP shows your ability to shop wisely.

Testosterone is a hormone that sometimes overrules reason and discernment, which is why they place scantily clad female models juxtaposed with a product in advertisements. Dillon's Blue Press being a prime example. Advertisers know that the 18 to 49 year old demographic is susceptible to sexually suggestive imagery, which is why advertisements and commercials are story boarded and produced with suggestive content. Manufacturers also know that "sexy" products, those with an appeal to the younger demographic, will sell better with a subliminal message that the product will enhance one's image of personal power, manliness and respectability through ownership. They also know that the older demographic from age 49 onward is resistant to advertisements, being more concerned with a product's actual quality and suitability for their application. Hence rifle stocks, overpriced scope sights, rifles with myriad doodads, levers and buttons, become status symbols elevating junior to legendary status. This is marketing based on bragging rights - and it works. This also makes available a wide range of products that would not exist otherwise.

I do not want to play at anything, this is your projection of the exact imagery discussed above. Owning a stylized product does not confer a skill set upon the owner. Snipers, Marine or otherwise, are rigorously trained, highly skilled individuals, to suggest that owning a stock designed for that purpose will make one equal to the sniper is exactly the illusion the manufacturers are attempting to create. None the less, if you desire such a product, by all means purchase and use it, that is your choice. Experimenting with different hardware is a great education in itself.

HK Dave
09-18-2013, 10:33 AM
It ain't hype... it's an intelligently designed chassis that allows you to free float your barrel without bedding everything.

It WILL tighten your groups if you're using a non free floated stock.

Some people hate the way it positions your hands though. It never personally bothered me.

Given all that it can do, it isn't overly expensive. My plain jane Manners cost as much as my AICS. :P

milotrain
09-18-2013, 11:24 AM
Eliseo's chassis does three fundamental things, and a few secondary things.
1. More closely mimics an AR style rifle for those transitioning from service rifle match shooting.
2. Allows for straight back recoil rather than a levered recoil.
3. Is completely free of bedding problems.

secondary:
allows for an integrated scope rail with the chassis and not the action, making action changes and barrel changes much more simple.
allows for complex stock adjustments that mimic full match rifles for a fraction of the cost.
are a fraction of the cost of a quality wood stock with similar adjustment features
Integrate magazine feeding to popular actions, including specifically the 6BR.

These are not "tacticool" features, they are extremely useful features in XTC, Midrange, Longrange, and Palma competition as well as rimfire 3P, 300m, and other similar disciplines. They serve a specific purpose and do so very well.

Cypriss32
09-18-2013, 2:45 PM
Experimenting with different hardware is a great education in itself.

Been there done that. Id bet that ive owned 75% of the stocks out there:
A1, HTG, A2, A3, A4, A5, AICS 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, B&C M40, B&C A5, B&C A5 adjustable, HS vertical grips, Manners T, T1, T2, T3, T4, T5...... I can keep going.

The chassis system works very well. The AICS stocks are not just built for "snipers and tactical boys" they started out as comp rifles in U.K. There's a great magazine article in Sniper magazine id recommend everyone to read, to will teach you a lot about there company.

Wrangler John
09-19-2013, 11:06 AM
The best news is that there are so many choices available to the competitor and hunter. We may discuss various styles and features, yet the message is that something is available for nearly every interest, discipline and game. I have no difficulty fitting stocks to my needs, indeed it is a separate hobby, but today's precision CNC machined aluminum chassis stocks are so precise and stable that they make the task easy, ensuring success. I doubt that there is any nation on earth that has such refined and flexible firearms accessories as we enjoy. Our task is to keep it that way for generations to come.

Now, I wonder if I could cobble a stock together from a 4x4 fence post?

Moonshine
09-20-2013, 12:46 PM
That seems like a lot of money to spend on a remington 700. Seems like with these chassis you are mostly paying for looks and exclusivity.

$699 will get you a Tikka T3 that comes with a written guarantee to shoot sub moa groups.

My browning x-bolt was only $749 and it will shoot under 1 inch groups easy.

Maybe I'm off base but shooting awesome groups should be possible with most modern bolt rifles assuming their stock is glass beaded and free floated. I would say the skill of the marksman has a lot more to do with groups than the rifle he uses.

milotrain
09-20-2013, 6:03 PM
That seems like a lot of money to spend on a remington 700. Seems like with these chassis you are mostly paying for looks and exclusivity.

$699 will get you a Tikka T3 that comes with a written guarantee to shoot sub moa groups.

My browning x-bolt was only $749 and it will shoot under 1 inch groups easy.

Maybe I'm off base but shooting awesome groups should be possible with most modern bolt rifles assuming their stock is glass beaded and free floated. I would say the skill of the marksman has a lot more to do with groups than the rifle he uses.

For me the benefit is for position shooting. Just as Les Paul could make you cry with a bucket and a rubber band, a great shooter can take a stock rifle and shoot it well in all positions. I am not a great shooter, I will take all the help I can get in offhand.

bubbapug1
09-20-2013, 7:41 PM
I see these a lot at the matches, and the maker is one of the better shooters in the local area, if not the nation.

These are a lot like a tubb stock, which has been shown to be superiour in adjustability to any fixed type stock for prone shooting.

And they are local...

http://www.gotxring.com/high-power/

Clever
09-24-2013, 6:41 AM
Mine looks like this, It had a H&S stock but I got rid of it. Found this brand new for a great price.. Rock Solid, The best stock out there in my opinion..

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/arsho13/rEM-1.jpg (http://s909.photobucket.com/user/arsho13/media/rEM-1.jpg.html)

Scout1520
09-24-2013, 2:14 PM
I bought mcree and I couldn't be happier. Its nice being able to swap out buttstocks for the event. Solid build.and looks seeeexxxayyy http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/25/esahuda9.jpg

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Freq18Hz
09-24-2013, 2:41 PM
I have a Tikka T3 in 30-06. It's accurate, around 1 MOA or below. Accuracy dips drastically after the first shot or two.

This guy however, is manufacturer guaranteed to group at 3/8th MOA for 5 shots. I have seen it done with a friends rifle, at 300 yards.


G.A. Precision Crusader ,.308 Winchester, McMillan stock.
http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq184/freq18hz/4D78F410-76E8-44FA-A9DD-575E4897FD82-16330-0000016E79F32F30_zps918f4c05.jpg

-Freq

HK Dave
09-24-2013, 2:45 PM
No disrespect intended Freq, but your statement doesn't make sense. So the accuracy on your Tikka drops off after a round or two?

Then how do you find out what the original accuracy is? ;)

NorCalFocus
09-24-2013, 3:09 PM
I'm guessing its because he has a thin barrel and it heats up.

ExtremeX
09-24-2013, 3:13 PM
I'm guessing its because he has a thin barrel and it heats up.

If he has a T3 Lite its possible, but even those can print a nice 5 shot group slow fire.

The Tikka heavy barrel varmint / tactical models are no different than any other heavy barrel precision rifle...

Those are generally excellent out of the box shooters.

OverUnderClays
09-24-2013, 3:21 PM
Looking into bolt guns, interested in the Accuracy International Stock paired with a Remington 700. Anyone have this combo or anything similar?

I confess... too much COD and I just like the look of the Ballista!!

Done all the Google search and Youtube reviews, wondering if anyone on Calguns has any experience with the AI 1.5 stock (non-folding) and how easy it was to mount the 700 barrel to it.

I think this is the chassis you're looking for, and very similar to the Ballista ya freaky CoD fanboy!! (j/k)

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/en/Firearms/Sniper%20Rifles/MSR.aspx