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hoffmang
01-13-2008, 10:50 AM
Of course the LA Times doesn't mention that the government supports an Individual Rights view. I particularly like the line that "In the past, this amendment has sometimes been read as protecting only state militias." The spin machine moves on...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-guns13jan13,1,5918084.story?coll=la-news-politics-national&ctrack=1&cset=true

A D.C. ban on home handguns may not be constitutional, the solicitor general tells the Supreme Court, but rights are limited and federal firearm restrictions should be upheld.
By David G. Savage, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 13, 2008
WASHINGTON -- In their legal battle over gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, gun- control advocates never expected to get a boost from the Bush administration.

But that's just what happened when U.S. Solicitor General Paul D. Clement urged the Supreme Court in a brief Friday to say that gun rights are limited and subject to "reasonable regulation" by the government and that all federal restrictions on firearms should be upheld.

Reasonable regulations include the federal ban on machine guns and other "particularly dangerous types of firearms," he said in the brief. Moreover, the government forbids gun possession by felons, drug users, "mental defectives" and people subject to restraining orders, he said.

"Given the unquestionable threat to public safety that unrestricted private firearm possession would entail, various categories of firearm-related regulation are permitted by the 2nd Amendment," Clement said. He filed the brief in a closely watched case involving Washington, D.C.'s ban on keeping handguns at home for self-defense.

The head of a gun-control group said he was pleasantly surprised by the solicitor general's stand.

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Handgun Violence, said he saluted the administration for recognizing a need for limits on gun rights.

Alan Gura, a key gun-rights advocate who is leading the challenge to the District of Columbia's gun law, expressed disappointment at the administration's position. He said he was troubled that Clement advised the justices to send the case back for further hearings in a lower court.

"We are not happy. We are very disappointed the administration is hostile to individual rights. This is definitely hostile to our position," Gura said.

This year, for the first time, the court is expected to rule squarely on whether the 2nd Amendment gives individuals a right to have a gun despite laws or ordinances restricting firearms.

In the past, this amendment has sometimes been read as protecting only state militias. It says: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The case before the court tests the constitutionality of the District of Columbia's unusually restrictive ordinance. Clement, the Bush administration's chief lawyer before the court, agreed that the 2nd Amendment "protects an individual right to possess firearms, including for private purposes unrelated to militia operations." D.C.'s ban on handguns goes too far and is probably unconstitutional, he added.

A ruling along these lines would be a major victory for advocates of gun owners' rights.

But the solicitor general devoted most of his brief, filed late Friday, to urging the court to move cautiously and to make clear that the 2nd Amendment does not threaten most current restrictions on guns and gun owners.

Clement also said the court should stop short of striking down the D.C. ordinance on its own. Instead, he said, the case should be sent back to a trial judge.

"The D.C. ban may well fail constitutional scrutiny" he said, because it totally forbids private citizens from having a handgun at home.

But such a ruling should not threaten other laws, he said. "Nothing in the 2nd Amendment properly understood . . . calls for invalidation of the numerous federal laws regulating firearms."

Under Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft, the Bush administration in 2001 switched the Justice Department's long-standing support for gun control and adopted the view that the 2nd Amendment protects individuals' gun rights.

The solicitor general holds an unusual position in the government.

He is an appointee of the president in the Justice Department, representing the administration's view in court. At the same time, he has a duty to defend the laws passed by Congress, including in this instance the restrictions on machine guns and who can own a firearm.

The solicitor general is also an advisor to the Supreme Court. And usually, the briefs filed by his office carry more weight with the justices than any others.

The court will hear arguments in the D.C. case in late March.

david.savage@latimes.com

All Bush et al had to do was remain quiet. The DC Handgun Ban is not a law passed by Congress...

Hat tip to David Hardy.

-Gene

Harrison_Bergeron
01-13-2008, 11:25 AM
But such a ruling should not threaten other laws, he said. "Nothing in the 2nd Amendment properly understood . . . calls for invalidation of the numerous federal laws regulating firearms."

Maybe I need to brush up, but I thought that the Supreme Court had sole discretion when it came to interpretting the Constitution.

gose
01-13-2008, 11:37 AM
I still believe that this case will result in a status quo at best and the start of some new federal regulations at worst.

I'd love to be wrong though...

cartman
01-13-2008, 12:24 PM
Well as far as I know there is no ban on machineguns. Aren't there like 250,000 machine guns in private handsin the US?

Stanze
01-13-2008, 06:08 PM
Well as far as I know there is no ban on machineguns. Aren't there like 250,000 machine guns in private handsin the US?

There has been a ban on manufacture of machine guns for private sale since 1986. This law was signed by Pres. Ronald Reagan.

Evidently, Democrats AND Republicans both SUCK!:mad:

CitaDeL
01-13-2008, 06:25 PM
This just sickens me to the core. I somehow knew when Scotus announced they would be ruling on "Heller" that there would be some monkey wrench thrown into the works- I just didn't figure that it would be the Bush administration.

This, in my opinion is a taste of just how persistant and pervasive a central government is in trying to maintain a grip on supreme control, in spite of the fact that such a government is not permitted to do so by our Constitution.

Im hoping that this will not eventually influence the high courts ruling, and we can move on to dismantling other super-constitutional regulation of the 2A.

stag1500
01-13-2008, 07:58 PM
This is turning out to be a really sh*ty year. I hope things turn around real soon.

MrTuffPaws
01-13-2008, 08:15 PM
The justice department issued a brief that has about as much legal weight as your or my opinion on the matter. The SCotUS is the final word on the constitution, no matter how much the Bush Administration doesn't like it.

niceguy
01-14-2008, 07:15 PM
The justice department issued a brief that has about as much legal weight as your or my opinion on the matter. The SCotUS is the final word on the constitution, no matter how much the Bush Administration doesn't like it.

Final word? Maybe today, but it wasn't meant to be. The judicial branch was supposed to be the weaker of the three, specifically because it has lifetime appointed members. Executive branches have ignored rulings from them in the past. They will again in the future, when it is fitting to IT to do so. The Court knows this and might bend to Executive pressure.

Expediency is the new motive force.

Outlaw Josey Wales
01-14-2008, 09:01 PM
Final word? Maybe today, but it wasn't meant to be.



"In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility--I welcome it".
Author: John Fitzgerald Kennedy