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prometa
09-10-2013, 3:11 PM
Hi folks,

Looking into buying my first bolt gun. (I have handguns and semiauto rifles) This gun will be for hunting, mostly pig, perhaps deer. Of course I will practice at the range, but I'm not looking into getting into long range or match shooting.

I've already decided on caliber (.30-06), because it'll take down what I want to hunt and I own other .30-06 rifles so I can avoid shopping for another new caliber. I also noticed .30-06 has remained in stock throughout the madness.

My real question is this: what do I get in an $800 rifle (R700 or Winchester M70) vs a cheaper $300-400 rifle (Savage Axis, for example). I'm a reasonably good shot but I am not looking to shoot 1/2 MOA. On the other hand, I don't buy/sell my guns as I get interested/bored, so if I would notice and enjoy the extra comfort or longevity or quality of a more expensive rifle, I'm willing to do it and keep it for decades.

I know you get things like special triggers and smoother actions. Does that make a significant difference in the use of the rifle? All else being equal is it better to put $500 more into the scope over the rifle?

NytWolf
09-10-2013, 3:22 PM
Advice: Start cheap and go from there when you get more experience.

Answer: More money gets you better quality in the materials used, build process, finish, etc. There is too much to list. Generally, you get what you pay for. You have to compare specific rifles side by side to see exactly what you get.

To your question about the scope: "Can't shoot what you can't see."

2761377
09-10-2013, 3:27 PM
Ruger American rifle and Redfield Revolution scope. both made in U.S.A., otd<$700

ExtremeX
09-10-2013, 3:39 PM
Get a Tikka T3 Lite and you can thank me later.

Price range is between the two ranges you specified and IMO better than anything you have listed. The action is butter smooth and the barrel is fantastic. Out of the box hunting rifle, I can’t think of a better choice.

TMB 1
09-10-2013, 3:54 PM
If I was getting one of the cheap synthetic stock models I'd get the Savage/Stevens 110/200 because if later you want to change to a walnut or laminated wood stock you can. I don't think you can with most of the others.

.40CALIbear
09-10-2013, 4:09 PM
Check out the Savage Trophy Hunter XP. Comes with a Nikon Pro Staff scope and user adjustable Accutrigger. All for under $500 bucks. A lot better rifle than the Axis.

ptroxx
09-10-2013, 4:14 PM
Ruger American... You cant beat it for the money.... I love mine.

NorCalFocus
09-10-2013, 5:14 PM
I got my Rem 700 Varmint for $600. So either your looking at the really high end 700's or a package.

IMHO, either is good to start out with, but the better the gun you start with the less you'll have to change later on. If you plan on shooting comps with the gun get a heavy barrel and go. If it is a true hunting gun, then just about anything you get will work.

XVIga_Rob
09-10-2013, 5:51 PM
I would suggest looking at and shouldering as many different models as you can. Then, buy the rifle you like. As said, more dollars for better quality. Personally, I've found that I really like what Browning has to offer. I've owned an A-Bolt in .30-06 for many years and recently bought an X-Bolt in .270. Both sport Leupold glass.

Just like the rifle, pick-up and look through as many different model scopes as you can. Be prepared to spend $ for a quality scope. The clearer & brighter, the better, as hunting hours are typically from 1/2 hr before sunrise to 1/2hr after sunset. The Redfields & Nikons are nice, I just like the Leupolds.

I'm not interested in buying twice, so I look at everything I can (usually multiple times) before I buy.

toby
09-10-2013, 6:01 PM
Go cheap you will always have cheap and if you sell, it will sell for even cheaper. Buy the best you can every time.

ar15barrels
09-10-2013, 6:41 PM
I know you get things like special triggers and smoother actions.
Does that make a significant difference in the use of the rifle?
All else being equal is it better to put $500 more into the scope over the rifle?

What you get for spending more is pride of ownership.

A $500 rifle with a $500 scope would likely serve you better than a $800 rifle with a $200 scope or a $200 rifle with an $800 scope.

Divernhunter
09-10-2013, 7:37 PM
I might add that sometimes what you mostly get in the $800(Rem or Win) is the name.
The lesser priced Tikka T-3 Lite or Weatherby Vanguard will usually out shoot them. Same goes for a Savage with the Accra trigger. The Ruger American is very good also. The quality/workmanship etc is as good or better with some of these than the Rem/Win.

Take the money you "save" and buy a Leupold scope and good bases/rings if the rifles does not have them already. It does no good to have a excellent rifle with crap optics or ones that go bad in the field the 1st bad weather. Buy a Leupold 3X9X40 or 3.5X10X40 Non-AO scope and use low rings and you will have a package for life and your kids lives.

On the brand of rifle buy the one that fits you and you like. Not what some armchair quarterback who has never hunted or done much shooting with different rifles tells you.

MapleSyrupSmuggler
09-10-2013, 11:23 PM
The Ruger American and a Vortex 3-9x40 Diamondback got me this hunting season's deer. Just sayin... One thing I would possibly change is instead of the 3-9x40 would be to buy a 1-6 power so as to make it even lighter since 6x is more than enough to hunt animals out to a realistic distance. I don't need the 9x since this mountain rifle is strictly for hunting and not for competition with its super lightweight barrel.

XVIga_Rob
09-11-2013, 6:03 PM
The Tika T3 is a nice rifle and I believe that they come with scope rings, as they do not use typical bases. The bolt action is super smooth and the barrel is a Sacco. One of these days, I'll buy a .243, and it just might be a Tika T3 (walnut & stainless).


If you're patient and shop around. You can get a nice rifle & scope (new) for around $800. I paid just under $900 for my Browning X-Bolt .270 with a Leupold VXII (3x9x50), including rings, bases, taxes, & DROS, and Browning sent me a nice jacket for free too!

If you're not the patient type. I'd take that $800 and buy a really nice used rifle. There are a lot of real nice used rifles to be had for a good price. You might be able to find one with a decent scope already mounted, or you could just buy a new scope, bases, & rings for the rifle.


Either way, you can have a quality rig for $800.

Masterdebater
09-11-2013, 9:49 PM
i dunno the going price of T/C ventures but i had on in 25-06 back when and it was AMAZING, only sold it because i had nowhere to hunt and couldnt afford ammo due to no work. it has 5r=R rifling and is guaranteed 1MOA out of the box and it does even better. smooth well built rifle you will love, at least check one out.

3006mv
09-12-2013, 3:56 PM
http://centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=RI1978J%2DN

I have this. cost was less than $500.
And loving it chief.

dinosauraphael
09-12-2013, 4:05 PM
Its better to spend more on glass in my opinion. With that being said, i recommend the swfa 10x42 over any scopes under $1000 price range. And I would recommend IOR 10x42 or us optic st-10 for over $1000

Superfreak
09-12-2013, 4:14 PM
Definitely get what you pay for.
For example:

Superfreak
09-12-2013, 4:14 PM
Remington 770 = ~$300
Remington 700 = ~$800

toby
09-12-2013, 4:24 PM
Weatherby Vanguard for $500 ish give or take I have seen them for $450 and be a happy camper I would however chuck the plastic POS stock and replace it with a Laminate or a Composite from Bell & Carlson. So $100 -$240 more on top of rifle cost.

chad allred
09-12-2013, 4:30 PM
I'm VERY happy with my Ruger American and Leupold VX-1 combo...with Warne rings and a box of shells under $750
It shoots 1/2 moa btw....I've had $1500 rifles that didn't shoot this well.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/13/azybyse5.jpg
And after my rattle can camo job...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/13/8u9ytuzu.jpg

postal
09-12-2013, 4:59 PM
You tanked your resale value on that scope..... LOL!

I painted a nikon, and when I get more paint I might paint my new bush g2DMR.... yeah... it'll tank resale, but I doubt I'll ever part with it!

chad allred
09-12-2013, 5:41 PM
Its only a $250 scope lol...who cares?!

gotshotgun?
09-12-2013, 6:34 PM
Maybe, unlike you, he plans on keeping the things he purchases....

Nice camo job.

postal
09-12-2013, 6:51 PM
COme on people.... it was a joke!!!!!

Camo does look good btw....

Learn that from my rifles? lol!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/jxgifford/P1010013.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/jxgifford/media/P1010013.jpg.html)

Shotgun...
Lack reading skills? Read the second line... The rifle in the back now wears a bushnell G2 DMR 3.5-21. It's a $1,300 scope- I probably will paint it to match but I ran out of some krylon colors, and never did find a good 'dead weed' brown.... It looks funny now with a black rail/rings/scope.

chad allred
09-12-2013, 7:10 PM
Hey your camo matches mine! Looks great

postal
09-12-2013, 7:16 PM
HAHA!!! Bet I did mine first.... American hasnt been out very long.... that pic is from about 2006ish...

I had 2 of the 3 colors I wanted... I still need to find a good straw/yellow dead weed brown.... As is... they blend in the desert really well.

I tried the 10/22 first- (closer rifle) then sodomized the savage... But as I said- new scope/base/rings... I need to get more krylon and shoot it again.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/jxgifford/IMG_2837_zps7a43378a.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/jxgifford/media/IMG_2837_zps7a43378a.jpg.html)

The black huge honkin scope/rings/base and the black nylon really stand out.... Gotta do something about that.....

Yes it's the same rifle from the first pic... I chopped up the stock some more just in case someone doubted it was free floated... (to shave some weight really!)

MapleSyrupSmuggler
09-12-2013, 8:57 PM
And after my rattle can camo job...


Nice camo job.

prometa
09-12-2013, 9:33 PM
just wanted to chime back in and say I'm reading all the responses--I don't have anything else to add because I don't know the answer to my own question.

postal
09-12-2013, 9:48 PM
Well.....

In your first post, you seem to understand that you get what you pay for... and you're not opposed to spending a moderate amount for a quality rifle...

I think you may regret going too low end. I hear it all the time and I know it's true... the "buy once, cry once" is good advice.

The tikka.... hard to beat at it's price point. Almost no aftermarket, but it doesnt need it..

Beyond that, rem 700 is the most common choice, win M70 and savage get thrown in this mix too- but most people prefer the 700 and has tons of aftermarket support.

I know a guy with a ruger American and he's tickled how well it works. I was surprised how well it works. It doesnt hang with the m70/700/savage... it's a little rough around the edges... it's WAY too light and kicks pretty hard because of it... but it shoots a lot better than I thought it would.

So... My advice is to skip the ultra low end- and start looking at tikka on up. Dont be fooled by the price of the tikka... they feel and shoot really nice- better than a factory 700.

As to optic... I'd suggest something middle of the road for starters... Something around $500 ish- to get into decent quality glass that is reliable. $300 ish minimum for a nikon buckmaster 4.5-14 as a starting point.

This way you could put one together for a total price of about 1k-1.3k depending on your choices. And have something nice. Later on you can evaluate if you're happy with it, or get the bug and 'go big'... without being limited by lower quality gear.

Just my take based on your first post.

chad allred
09-12-2013, 10:20 PM
I will agree on the quality and accuracy of the Tikka,I owned a T3 in 300wsm...just had too much recoil for my bad shoulder.even after I put a KDF brake on it.
BUT......it is $300 more than the American.
Accuracy is about the same...although I had to load the bullets way long in the Tikka to get the same accuracy as the American. that being said it did shoot about an inch with a few factory loads (Federal Premium).

postal
09-13-2013, 11:56 AM
Accuracy is about the same...although I had to load the bullets way long in the Tikka to get the same accuracy as the American. that being said it did shoot about an inch with a few factory loads (Federal Premium).

Have you tried fed gold medal match or black hills match?

FGGM sets the accuracy standard for factory ammo, and tailoring reloads to your rifle is even better...

russ69
09-13-2013, 1:42 PM
Just about every manufacturer makes a nice 30-06 hunting rifle. I don't recommend a cheap rifle because shooting is too important to me to buy a cheap rifle. I'd go down to the nearest big retailer and see what they have but don't go bottom fishing. Quality hunting rifles are put on sale quite often, you'll find something you will like.

aaaslayer
09-13-2013, 2:10 PM
Mosin with a scount mount and AIM or NCStar 2-7 LER scope FTW


haha jk. That's my budget bolt action setup, my only bolt action actually. And I'm on the same boat as you OP, I am in the market for either a 308 bolt action or a 30-06, I'm leaning more towards the 308 for price of ammo, but honestly I want to touch targets out to 500 yards plus, so I'm debating whether the 30-06 suits me best or if the 308 is still good at that distance.

I've been looking at the Ruger American, Savage Axis, and the Tikka T3. I think I'm going to go with the Tikka.


As for glass, I was thinking a Nikon Prostaff, or is that too cheap? I want something with a little higher magnification than a 3-9...

postal
09-13-2013, 2:37 PM
AAA..... 308 has no problems out to 500-600. Goes farther than that accurately but isnt the best choice for 900-1000. It can do it, but wind really is a challenge.

It will do it, but there's better like 243/260/6.5 creedmore which are all based on the 308.... So a 308 could later be changed out to one of those cartridges if you want solid 1k performance. Those all fit 308 magazines and boltface- Changing the barrel will change the cartridge.

I would suggest the 4.5-14 nikon buckmaster. It's a much better scope than the prostaff and is still budget friendly.

prometa
09-13-2013, 2:43 PM
Just about every manufacturer makes a nice 30-06 hunting rifle. I don't recommend a cheap rifle because shooting is too important to me to buy a cheap rifle. I'd go down to the nearest big retailer and see what they have but don't go bottom fishing. Quality hunting rifles are put on sale quite often, you'll find something you will like.

Here's a question: what big retailers are there in the bay area? It looked like big5 only carried a limited selection of rifles based on the website. Is that true in person?

postal
09-13-2013, 2:50 PM
Big 5 has a limited selection- perhaps about 50-60 rifles in each store. And I thought they were only socal.....

When he said big box stores, he probably meant Dicks sporting goods, bass pro.... whatever chains serve no cal. I've no idea whats up there... hadnt been north since 1993.

NorCalFocus
09-13-2013, 2:55 PM
Bass Pro has Remmington's, Tikka's, Savagae's, and Rugers.

TMB 1
09-13-2013, 2:56 PM
Big5s up here have limited stock also but they have a list of manufacturers that they can order what ever you want from. I haven't ordered anything though. Big5 prices seem high to me unless it's on sale.

DennisCA
09-13-2013, 3:13 PM
May I suggest:
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/2489/270overview.jpg
Model 70 (in .270 cal) W/ 3X9 Burris Scope
I paid a lot for it years ago and I'm glad I did!
(Forgot exactly how much but I know it wasn't cheapo)
I've killed a bunch of deer and some other "misc" animals with this gun.
(And no it's NOT for sale - ever)
The old addage is true: "You get what you pay for"

kentactic
09-13-2013, 3:18 PM
Get a Savage or a Remington 700. Both will work fine.

prometa
09-13-2013, 9:53 PM
Big 5 has a limited selection- perhaps about 50-60 rifles in each store. And I thought they were only socal.....

When he said big box stores, he probably meant Dicks sporting goods, bass pro.... whatever chains serve no cal. I've no idea whats up there... hadnt been north since 1993.

We have no bass pros, cabela's or turners. (The nearest bass pro is in stockton--though one in San Jose is opening soon) We do have 2 dick's, but they are 35 miles away from me. It's worth the drive to have a variety of rifles to try for size though.

Do they carry more than these rifles? http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/shop/index.jsp?categoryId=12233535&ab=ACLN1_Link_Rifles_BigGame (no Tikkas, Rem 700 BDLs or Winchesters?)

bombadillo
09-13-2013, 9:57 PM
Get a Tikka T3 Lite and you can thank me later.

Price range is between the two ranges you specified and IMO better than anything you have listed. The action is butter smooth and the barrel is fantastic. Out of the box hunting rifle, I canít think of a better choice.


I was going to say the same thing. You'll get a sub MOA capable rifle, with the smoothest action, and you can pick it up in wood or synthetic if you'd like. It is by far the best gun for the money in its class.

Whiterabbit
09-13-2013, 10:01 PM
pride of ownership nailed it. No reason not to shoot a bolt action with irons if you have to. Buy a machine you love and don't look back. go shoot, shoot, shoot!

postal
09-14-2013, 11:25 AM
We have no bass pros, cabela's or turners. (The nearest bass pro is in stockton--though one in San Jose is opening soon) We do have 2 dick's, but they are 35 miles away from me. It's worth the drive to have a variety of rifles to try for size though.

Do they carry more than these rifles? http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/shop/index.jsp?categoryId=12233535&ab=ACLN1_Link_Rifles_BigGame (no Tikkas, Rem 700 BDLs or Winchesters?)

Bass pro has a LOT more rifles than that...

Have you checked local one off gun shops?

bombadillo
09-14-2013, 12:40 PM
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_445/products_id/80578/Tikka+3+++1+30-06+Springfield+wStainless+Barrel+/+Black+Syn/

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/80573.jpg


Tikka T3 Lite Stainless. $651 shipped from buds.

Gives you some extra to do some goodies like a good one piece base, sling, rings, or whatever else you want to buy. Add some money for glass or whatever else you can think of. You'll be hard pressed to find a gun that shoots as straight as these guns. I believe they still guarantee a 1" 3 shot group with match ammo. Definitely give it a shot. Silkiest action you'll ever feel, even compared to 3500 dollar GAP actions and others. Right out of the box, they're unreal guns.

prometa
09-14-2013, 12:46 PM
I went to High Bridge Arms (in SF) because I didn't want to drive all the way to Dublin. I talked to two guys, Steve and Russell, for about 20 minutes. We talked wood vs synthetic, pricier vs cheaper, brands, etc.

Ended up starting DROS on a 700 SPS. I did consider a BDL or CDL because I really like wood, but I decided that this is going to be a field rifle and Steve's story about splitting a stock in the field convinced me synthetic was the way to go.

Went with the 700 because of the aftermarket--if I need more rifle later, there is plenty to choose from.

They didn't have a 30-06 in stock, so I had to order it, but I have to wait 10 days anyway, so who cares.

Now it's on to figuring out optics.

taloft
09-14-2013, 2:09 PM
You get to cry less when it slips off your shoulder and drops down the ridge.

The sps is a good choice. I have the buck master version in .30-06 with a Leupold scope and it works great. The scope cost the same as the rifle.

Definitely put your money on the glass. Good glass will work on a mediocre rifle but, crappy glass won't work on the best rifle made.

XVIga_Rob
09-14-2013, 3:15 PM
You get to cry less when it slips off your shoulder and drops down the ridge.

The sps is a good choice. I have the buck master version in .30-06 with a Leupold scope and it works great. The scope cost the same as the rifle.

Definitely put your money on the glass. Good glass will work on a mediocre rifle but, crappy glass won't work on the best rifle made.

Well said!!

Now that you have a good rifle. You need to put as much effort in finding the right scope, bases, & rings for your rifle. Once done, you'll have a quality rig you can use and be proud of for life. Don't go cheap on glass!

billetmann
09-15-2013, 2:32 PM
Browning--there no substitute!

pennstater
09-15-2013, 3:15 PM
What you get for spending more is pride of ownership.

A $500 rifle with a $500 scope would likely serve you better than a $800 rifle with a $200 scope or a $200 rifle with an $800 scope.

HA! Exactly what he said. But, whatever you do, don't buy the Rem. 710 or 770 or whatever it is called. JUNK!

timmyboy450
09-15-2013, 3:38 PM
May I suggest:
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/2489/270overview.jpg
Model 70 (in .270 cal) W/ 3X9 Burris Scope
I paid a lot for it years ago and I'm glad I did!
(Forgot exactly how much but I know it wasn't cheapo)
I've killed a bunch of deer and some other "misc" animals with this gun.
(And no it's NOT for sale - ever)
The old addage is true: "You get what you pay for"

This. I love mine smooth action and the ladies will tell you that you have pretty wood! And like randall said spend the big bucks on glass.:43:

rm1911
09-15-2013, 10:26 PM
It may come as a shock to lots of people but there was at one time a slew of old military rifles coming back into the US during the golden years before we became a fascist state. Anyways these old milsurps, many had been bastardized - drilled and tapped, stocks cut, etc. - and they were sold for $20 mail order. Or less. And they were designed to be minute of enemy accurate and function in every climate and condition. And they were "ugly", had loose fittings, and probably a few or more imperfections in their bores.

Yet for all their faults they killed more deer and fed more families than could be imagined. Year after year these old war horses would be pulled out of safes and taken into the field in more peaceful pursuits, their martial pursuits thankfully ended. War is the greatest evil of all. Better they should be carried by free men in peacetime seeking only to harvest some of the Lord's bounty, rather than being enlisted in service of satan's henchmen, politicians who lie and deceive, the demagogues who draw us into war.

And these rifles would be handed down from father to son, or daughter, and used to harvest game. Never was there worry about the rifle only the rifleman or riflewoman. Or rifleperson. Lest we offend anyone.

So go spend your riches on fancy hardware to kill a deer. Impress your fellow hunters. The deer won't care. My old sporterized 03A3 and my son's sportered mk4no1 will kill deer just as well. I don't begrudge anyone a fancy rifle. It is your money and to each their own. But a deer rifle is a rather simple tool. Who knows how many deer have been killed by that wretched little 30-30. So underpowered and so inaccurate. You'd think it impossible to feed a family with one.

The ruger American and the savage axis are more than accurate enough to kill deer. More than adequate. Which is all you want to do with it. Believe it or not millions of deer have been killed with far less rifle.

I hunt with a friend who uses a 50 or more year old savage 99 in 308. Can't recall a year he hasn't killed a deer.

1859sharps
09-16-2013, 2:47 PM
Advice: Start cheap and go from there when you get more experience.

I have never understood this "logic". It makes no sense when you really think about it.

I would agree it makes no sense to spend $3000 or 4000 or more for a custom rifle if you have no experience. But buying cheap because you have no experience also makes no sense.

buy the best production rifle you can afford. the better the quality up front, the more $ you would get out if it if you choose to sell later for any number of reasons.

1859sharps
09-16-2013, 2:54 PM
Ended up starting DROS on a 700 SPS.

excellent choice to start with. you bought something above "cheap", yet didn't break the bank on a custom.

now, follow AR15barrel's advice about not going too cheap on a scope and you will have a great starter rifle with plenty of money left over for ammunition to practice with.

bombadillo
09-16-2013, 4:51 PM
What caliber did you go with on it

anti
09-16-2013, 5:07 PM
It may come as a shock to lots of people but there was at one time a slew of old military rifles coming back into the US during the golden years before we became a fascist state. Anyways these old milsurps, many had been bastardized - drilled and tapped, stocks cut, etc. - and they were sold for $20 mail order. Or less. And they were designed to be minute of enemy accurate and function in every climate and condition. And they were "ugly", had loose fittings, and probably a few or more imperfections in their bores.

Yet for all their faults they killed more deer and fed more families than could be imagined. Year after year these old war horses would be pulled out of safes and taken into the field in more peaceful pursuits, their martial pursuits thankfully ended. War is the greatest evil of all. Better they should be carried by free men in peacetime seeking only to harvest some of the Lord's bounty, rather than being enlisted in service of satan's henchmen, politicians who lie and deceive, the demagogues who draw us into war.

And these rifles would be handed down from father to son, or daughter, and used to harvest game. Never was there worry about the rifle only the rifleman or riflewoman. Or rifleperson. Lest we offend anyone.

So go spend your riches on fancy hardware to kill a deer. Impress your fellow hunters. The deer won't care. My old sporterized 03A3 and my son's sportered mk4no1 will kill deer just as well. I don't begrudge anyone a fancy rifle. It is your money and to each their own. But a deer rifle is a rather simple tool. Who knows how many deer have been killed by that wretched little 30-30. So underpowered and so inaccurate. You'd think it impossible to feed a family with one.

The ruger American and the savage axis are more than accurate enough to kill deer. More than adequate. Which is all you want to do with it. Believe it or not millions of deer have been killed with far less rifle.

I hunt with a friend who uses a 50 or more year old savage 99 in 308. Can't recall a year he hasn't killed a deer.

Well said. You should be a playwright or an author, or something... lol ;)

My step dad also owns a sporterized '03 with a Redfield scope and it's a capable rifle.

prometa
09-16-2013, 11:22 PM
What caliber did you go with on it

30-06. They had a .308 in the store, but I didn't want to add a new caliber to keep track of. I already own a garand.

outbrakeridah
09-17-2013, 5:10 AM
Nice choice! Ditto on the don't go cheap on optics. Your $700 gun will only be as good as your $200 scope. If I may recommend a scope go with a leupold. Look into a VX3 and you'll be set for life.

lewdogg21
09-17-2013, 6:14 AM
It sounds like you are a new hunter. One major point of caution is make sure you have $ in your budget for binoculars and I'm not talking a $100 pair.

Don't blow your whole wad on a scope that you will look through maybe 1x each trip versus binoculars which you should be using constantly. You cannot use your scope in lieu of bino's as scoping another hunter, vehicle, cabin, etc. is not safe.

drunktank
09-17-2013, 8:51 AM
It sounds like you are a new hunter. One major point of caution is make sure you have $ in your budget for binoculars and I'm not talking a $100 pair.

Don't blow your whole wad on a scope that you will look through maybe 1x each trip versus binoculars which you should be using constantly. You cannot use your scope in lieu of bino's as scoping another hunter, vehicle, cabin, etc. is not safe.

Great point. I "only" put a Nikon Buckmasters on my hunting rifle, but bought monarchs for my Bino's. Money well spent.

RCJeeper
09-19-2013, 2:51 AM
I have the same question as the OP. I have been looking for some time. In the low end $300 range, there are some rifles that have established themselves as fine shooters with excellent triggers, a la Ruger American, Savage Trophy Hunter and Marlin XL7. So why do people spend twice that or more for premium rifles and why may I? This is what i have been able to gather so far:

1. Wood stocks. If you like the look of real wood on your bolt action rifles, and I do, you'll have to do it as an upgrade.
2. Metal finish will not be a brilliant blue, but rather, a "low glare" matte finish. and yes, cheaper.
3. The bolt finish will not be jeweled, chromed, twisted or otherwise. It will be basic and fully functional.
4. The synthetic stock will not be properly supported in the fore end but for more money, Savage solves this with an accustock with metal railings molded in place.

That's about all I can think of. The problem as I see it is that these $300 rifle are so good it kinda makes it hard make the jump.

But I love the look of a fine bolt action bedded on premium wood with a ebony fore end, a medallion on the pistol grip base, and a white ring around the butt stock to class some things up a notch.

vincewarde
09-19-2013, 8:13 AM
IMHO:

1) Both the $300.00 rifle and the $800.00 rifle will shoot better than even $1000.00+ (in today's dollars) of 25-50 years ago.

2) In addition to better looks, along the way between $300.00 and $800.00 you are likely to pick up two really important things - an adjustable trigger and a better stock to action fit. Both are fundamental to accuracy and, to be fair, the $300.00 rifle may not be BAD in these areas - it's just that the more expensive rifle will be BETTER. It should be noted that you do not have to go all the way to $800.00 to get these features. The Ruger American Rifle is under $500.00 and has both, albeit in a molded synthetic stock.

3) There are many things that we mere mortals cannot see that tend to make a rifle more accurate. As you get into the $800.00 some of these things may be included, but likely not all.

a) A better barrel. How often the tool that cuts the rifling is changed has a great deal to do with how accurate a rifle is. In less expensive rifles, a faster and cheaper process is used. Can you get a good barrel? Absolutely. Can you also get a much less accurate barrel? Absolutely. This is why some inexpensive rifles shoot much better than others.

b) A tighter and batter chamber. A chamber can be headspaced "in spec" and safe - but this does not mean that it is accurate. Things like a "blueprinted" action where the bolt face is very much square to the chamber and is bearing equally on all lugs - as well as a tight chamber and a throat that is not overly long all contribute to accuracy. They also increase cost.

4) Even if you can qualify "expert" in the military or at an Appleseed event, even the inexpensive rifle will likely shoot much better than you can. If you are starting from scratch, I would advise you to buy a .22 and some ammo and the $300.00 bolt gun, rather than buying an $800.00 rifle you cannot shoot enough to get good....

BTW, I have sporterized three military rifles and while I had a lot of fun doing so, only one - my K31 - can consistently out-shoot a $500.00 rifle. I did a scout rifle in 8x57 (Yugo Mauser) and saved a lot of money - but even after bedding the action and installing a very nice trigger the best I have done is 1.5 MOA. I'm sure a Ruger Scout Rifle would shoot better. I built a light weight 30-06 on a Mauser action. I used a molded stock which I bedded and a nice trigger - so far the best I have done is about 1.5 MOA. (both rifles would shoot better with some load development, I'm sure.) If I were to do that one over again, I would just buy a Ruger American.....

Finally, Re: Scopes. If you are on a budget, consider going with a fixed 3-4x scope. Let's say you show up with a typical 3-9 variable for a guided hunt. What is the first thing your guide will tell you? Turn your scope down to it's lowest setting. Many of the great hunters of the past routinely used fixed 4x scopes.

Many believe that fixed power scopes in the less expensive brands are more reliable. Personally, my policy is to research, research, research. Just throwing money at the issue will not necessarily get you a better scope. Quality can vary at lot, even within the same brand.

OK, that's my $1.02 worth :)

gotshotgun?
09-19-2013, 8:44 AM
Very considerate write up

Diablohtr
09-20-2013, 1:19 PM
Just what I was looking for, thanks guys.

WASR10
09-20-2013, 1:30 PM
El Tag-o

Bungi
09-21-2013, 8:57 PM
Tikka T3 - the best value on the market. You will not be disappointed.

edgerly779
12-10-2013, 3:09 PM
remington 770 with detachable magazine and a spare magazine costs 20 bucks shipped. Rifle comes with 3-9 x 40mm scope. Look for the deals. I just picked one up for $300 with 2 boxes new ammo here on calguns.

Altahick
12-10-2013, 4:19 PM
ive had my stevens 200 for about 6 years, Paid around $300 and have about 500 rounds through it. The rifle has been nothing but great. it shoots under 1 moa out of the box with factory ammo.

vliberatore
12-10-2013, 4:33 PM
remington 770 with detachable magazine and a spare magazine costs 20 bucks shipped. Rifle comes with 3-9 x 40mm scope. Look for the deals. I just picked one up for $300 with 2 boxes new ammo here on calguns.

Better idea, send me $200 and then go buy a Remington 700. It will be the cheaper than buying a 770.

vliberatore
12-10-2013, 4:34 PM
Tikka T3 - the best value on the market. You will not be disappointed.

I own a 700 and a T3 and if you're going to leave the gun stock, then I'd have to agree with this. If you plan on upgrading, you can't beat the 700.

toby
12-10-2013, 4:36 PM
Buy the best you can.

bogey
12-10-2013, 4:55 PM
Why all the hate on cheap glass? I guess I might not know what I'm missing but I have never spent more than 250ish on a scope for a hunting riffle but I have never been let down. I have a leopold vx1 3x9-50 and a Burris fullfield II 3x9-40 both have held up well and both could be shot longer than is legal. I also have a old weaver K-4 that is decent but not as good in low light as the others.

CobraRed
12-10-2013, 5:01 PM
What you get for spending more is pride of ownership.

A $500 rifle with a $500 scope would likely serve you better than a $800 rifle with a $200 scope or a $200 rifle with an $800 scope.

I think out of those I'd go $650 rifle and $350 scope just because the reality of the price of Savs Tikkas and 700s and the ability to get a SWFA or Bushnell Elite in a fixed 10x for relatively cheap.

Mr Blu
12-10-2013, 5:09 PM
What you get for spending more is pride of ownership.

A $500 rifle with a $500 scope would likely serve you better than a $800 rifle with a $200 scope or a $200 rifle with an $800 scope.

I completely agree with this.

You can either have a great rifle and crappy glass, a crappy rifle and great glass, or a decent rifle and decent glass that will do the job consistently, but not better than most.

Mr Blu
12-10-2013, 5:15 PM
Why all the hate on cheap glass? I guess I might not know what I'm missing but I have never spent more than 250ish on a scope for a hunting riffle but I have never been let down. I have a leopold vx1 3x9-50 and a Burris fullfield II 3x9-40 both have held up well and both could be shot longer than is legal. I also have a old weaver K-4 that is decent but not as good in low light as the others.

There is a difference between cheap glass and inexpensive glass.

Cheap glass is Walmart bargain bin quality at even lower prices, while inexpensive glass is relatively durable and without all the bells and whistles that would otherwise make it expensive.

Glass is firmly on the list of things of "you get what you pay for". Many companies make low cost, functional scopes for people on a strict budget. Primarily the beginning shooter/hunter. The rest make crappy scopes for the suckers who don't know any better and didn't take the time to research the product.

Initial investment is key and if it costs too much to start a hobby, be it models, shooting, whatever, many people will not make that initial investment because they have no secure knowledge of the returns said investment would make.

That's why you see so many "starter packages" and "rifle/scope" bundles.

8200rpm
12-10-2013, 5:37 PM
Get this for $750...

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/5567/0ife.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img802/4035/inen.jpg

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=862293

:D

1859sharps
12-10-2013, 5:45 PM
My real question is this: what do I get in an $800 rifle (R700 or Winchester M70) vs a cheaper $300-400 rifle (Savage Axis, for example).

what you get is a better rifle.

my advice don't buy cheap...doing that you almost always end up spending money twice.

bombadillo
12-10-2013, 8:16 PM
You buy a cheap rifle with bases canted 3* off to one direction, very little quality control, no guarantee like a Tikka t3 which guarantees 1" factory shots with match ammo. You get better fit and finish, which if you can't feel that then sorry about your luck. You get a nice crown, even bluing, parkerizing, or whatever finish you get. You typically get a nice smooth bolt low bolt lift weight, smooth draw on the bolt, and a quality 2-5lb adjustable crisp trigger. You typically won't get that on a cheap bolt gun. Eventually, almost everything about the rifle is going to make you want to upgrade it in one way or another. Good luck with your pick.

JMP
12-10-2013, 8:27 PM
The cheapo guns tend to be entry level hunting rifles. They make work for your needs, but many will still feel the need to upgrade. The more expensive guns ($800) guns tend to provide a foundation from which you can start more precisions shooting. Granted, the $800 gun will have much more after you are done upgrading it.

LilRick13
12-14-2013, 10:01 AM
HAHA!!! Bet I did mine first.... American hasnt been out very long.... that pic is from about 2006ish...

I had 2 of the 3 colors I wanted... I still need to find a good straw/yellow dead weed brown.... As is... they blend in the desert really well.

I tried the 10/22 first- (closer rifle) then sodomized the savage... But as I said- new scope/base/rings... I need to get more krylon and shoot it again.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/jxgifford/IMG_2837_zps7a43378a.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/jxgifford/media/IMG_2837_zps7a43378a.jpg.html)

The black huge honkin scope/rings/base and the black nylon really stand out.... Gotta do something about that.....

Yes it's the same rifle from the first pic... I chopped up the stock some more just in case someone doubted it was free floated... (to shave some weight really!)

Um, TOES....

bombadillo
12-14-2013, 12:35 PM
Um, TOES....


Toes hangin a little to the left, and pretty long.

Merc1138
12-14-2013, 1:07 PM
Um, TOES....

Yes, toes. A fairly common occurrence in rifle pictures.

bombadillo
12-15-2013, 1:55 PM
Get this for $750...

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/5567/0ife.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img802/4035/inen.jpg

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=862293

:D



I'm shocked at what you have to pay for in a Bell and Carlson. I feel like my paint jobs are 90% or more of a B&C and I can get a decent $469 Savage 11 TH XP Nikon with the Nikon BDC 3-9x40. Here's my version.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130319_103730_zpsad871aac.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130319_103810_zps58e31041.jpg



And a little .22lr bolt action Savage MKII FV HB, and threw on a Boyds Tacticool stock with my own paint job and trigger job. Here's the start. Rifle is $192, Stock is $79, Paint is $12 bucks, $80 in DIP bottom metal, one piece base, and trigger guard, screws, and extra parts. All said and done its a tack driver for the price of about $375. Its cheaper than the Savage MKII-TR for $400 plus having to add a base and a bottom metal. Here's how she started:
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130607_205910_zps8b6163b7.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130611_152053_zps652f6c6b.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130624_182336_zps24fd527c.jpg
And here is the finished product. Hope it helps give hope to those who are not necessarily handy with painting but think they could give it a try. This is all done by Krylon and an afternoon with a few beers down. If you want any instruction with it, call me or PM me here and I can give you a run down on how to do all of this.


The Savage 11 TH XP Nikon ended up looking really good, shoots straight, keeps good groups with FGMM 168gr, and Hornady 168gr A-Max bullets as well. After a good paint job, it looks like a B&C and for sub $500 is a great deal on a detachable mag, bolt action, synthetic stock, hunting rifle. Even the scope works really well on this setup and I wouldn't change it for a $500 dollar beat-around gun.

Food for thought! :cheers2:

ar15barrels
12-15-2013, 1:58 PM
I'm shocked at what you have to pay for in a Bell and Carlson. I feel like my paint jobs are 90% or more of a B&C

There is a lot more to a B&C stock that just the color.
Painting an injection molded stock only changes the color.
It does not make it any better mechanically.

B&C stocks are far better mechanically than injection molded stocks.

whatwhy
12-15-2013, 2:09 PM
There is a lot more to a B&C stock that just the color.
Painting an injection molded stock only changes the color.
It does not make it any better mechanically.

B&C stocks are far better mechanically than injection molded stocks.

You mean painting my stock green didn't make it a USMC M40?! :mad: I WANT MY MONEY BACK HOME DEPOT!!!!!

bombadillo
12-15-2013, 2:34 PM
There is a lot more to a B&C stock that just the color.
Painting an injection molded stock only changes the color.
It does not make it any better mechanically.

B&C stocks are far better mechanically than injection molded stocks.


I know, some of them are pillar bedded, aluminum bedding blocks or otherwise. My free floated cheapo Savage has done pretty darn well though I have to say. He was asking what he can get for $300-800 dollars. For $460 I'm showing him what he can get and thats all. He could do a devcon bedding on the savage synthetic for a bit more rigidity and potential accuracy, but being free floated already, and it had no movement to speak after I torqued it properly and it seemingly was pretty darn solid. No its no Manners, McMillan, or even B&C, but it was solid. I'm just showing him how to pretty up an ugly rifle to make a cheap, but decent rifle look good. The Savage .22 is glass bedded and shoots one hole. Its a crazy accurate little .22 for the money.

bombadillo
12-15-2013, 2:35 PM
You mean painting my stock green didn't make it a USMC M40?! :mad: I WANT MY MONEY BACK HOME DEPOT!!!!!


Hardy harr harr. ;)

prometa
12-23-2013, 5:06 PM
Thought I would update this.

I ended up buying a Remington 700 SPS (just the basic version). I put a Leupold VX-3 2-7x on it. It's a short scope for a long action rifle, so I had to use the dual dovetail reversible rings and mount them as close together as possible. It makes it a just a touch more annoying to load, but it doesn't interfere at all with brass ejection.

Finally got it out to the range. After dialing it in and a little bit of practice, here is my best 4 round group. Boxes are one MOA (diamond is 2 MOA), distance was 100 yds, the front of the stock was resting on a sandbag (no other support beside my body) and I was shooting 165 gr Remington core-lokt soft points. Seems like the rifle likes them enough to go hog hunting. You'll have to take my word for it that that 5th round is a flier from my garand--you can see more garand holes in the target lower down.

I bought from a local, small shop FFL, so the price for the rifle was more than it would have been from a big store, but I'm still very happy with the purchase.

http://i.imgur.com/EMWqMHa.jpg?1

Merc1138
12-23-2013, 5:14 PM
Thought I would update this.

I ended up buying a Remington 700 SPS (just the basic version). I put a Leupold VX-3 2-7x on it. It's a short scope for a long action rifle, so I had to use the dual dovetail reversible rings and mount them as close together as possible. It makes it a just a touch more annoying to load, but it doesn't interfere at all with brass ejection.

Finally got it out to the range. After dialing it in and a little bit of practice, here is my best 4 round group. Boxes are one MOA (diamond is 2 MOA), distance was 100 yds, the front of the stock was resting on a sandbag (no other support beside my body) and I was shooting 165 gr Remington core-lokt soft points. Seems like the rifle likes them enough to go hog hunting. You'll have to take my word for it that that 5th round is a flier from my garand--you can see more garand holes in the target lower down.

I bought from a local, small shop FFL, so the price for the rifle was more than it would have been from a big store, but I'm still very happy with the purchase.

http://i.imgur.com/EMWqMHa.jpg?1

:facepalm:

You're supposed to cover the flier with a coin to show off your group size in comparison to the quarter/dime/whatever. Not "it's a flier from another rifle that I happened to be shooting at the same target".


:p

ar15barrels
12-23-2013, 6:52 PM
the front of the stock was resting on a sandbag

If you want to try for better groups, move the front sandbag rearward so it is right under the action and let the stock/barrel "Float" out in front of the sandbag.
That will reduce the effect of the barrel and stock pressure from resting on the bag.

slosurfer
12-24-2013, 8:09 AM
Been following this thread since I am also looking for my first bolt gun for hunting. I like the tika and the ruger american so far. If I get a remington 700 I will be too tempted to start modifying it and I want to keep it simple and stock.

Is $699 a good price for a tika t3 lite 30.06 with a burris 3-9◊40 fullfield II ?

Sent from my tappy tappy thingy

Justintoxicated
12-24-2013, 9:33 AM
Stock Differences, Bedding, parts quality, aftermarket support, Action preferences, Stainless or Blued, Trigger, Barrel thickness / length / rifling differences etc are all things to keep in mind when shopping.

Dinosaur Jr
12-24-2013, 12:39 PM
The cheapo guns tend to be entry level hunting rifles. They make work for your needs, but many will still feel the need to upgrade. The more expensive guns ($800) guns tend to provide a foundation from which you can start more precisions shooting. Granted, the $800 gun will have much more after you are done upgrading it.

No kidding. Don't get a R700. You'll spend at least another $2000 on glass and accurizing it.

NorCalFocus
12-24-2013, 2:08 PM
Been following this thread since I am also looking for my first bolt gun for hunting. I like the tika and the ruger american so far. If I get a remington 700 I will be too tempted to start modifying it and I want to keep it simple and stock.

Is $699 a good price for a tika t3 lite 30.06 with a burris 3-9◊40 fullfield II ?

Sent from my tappy tappy thingy


If your looking for a hunting gun the Tikka T3 is hard to beat. I think that's a fair price for a gun with a scope. They usually go for $599 bare gun

razr
12-24-2013, 2:42 PM
Your cope should cost 2x your rifle. Start from there.

edgerly779
12-24-2013, 2:53 PM
I picked up a lightly used remington 770 30/ 06 with case scope and 2 boxes sp hunting ammo for $300 4 weeks ago. Watch the for sale forums.

Merc1138
12-24-2013, 3:11 PM
Your cope should cost 2x your rifle. Start from there.

Depends on the rifle, the scope, and what you're using it for. You could buy a $3,000 rifle, doesn't mean you need to put a $6,000 scope on it. Plenty of people do just fine with scopes that cost as much as the rifle, or even less in a lot of instances. You just simply need to avoid garbage optics.

2nab
12-24-2013, 3:22 PM
I have experience with Ruger American and the Remington 700 series. Both are great. My recommendation for anyone budget conscious is to buy the Ruger American and a quality sub $300 scope such as Burris, Nikon, Weaver. Then save the extra money for other firearms you may want. A 22lr rifle for cheap practice. A pistol. Whatever you want. Don't feel pressured or fooled into thinking you can't be happy with anything less than a $500 scope or rifle. There are many quality scopes with great features and optics for under 300 and even for under 250. I would be happy to share personal hands on experience with many scopes in that range to help in your selection. If you want to talk scopes feel free to PM me. I don't fault anybody who is comfortable with and able to afford $500 + or $1000 + optics but to say that anything less is a waste of time and money is absurd. There is a market for and specific applications where that class of optic can excel but in most circumstances they are not necessary.

razr
12-24-2013, 3:26 PM
Depends on the rifle, the scope, and what you're using it for. You could buy a $3,000 rifle, doesn't mean you need to put a $6,000 scope on it. Plenty of people do just fine with scopes that cost as much as the rifle, or even less in a lot of instances. You just simply need to avoid garbage optics.


I agree, You took it to the extreme a bit. That was a general response to a 300-800 dollar rifle not a 3000 dollar one. I would like to see a 6000 dollar scope in person one day.

Merc1138
12-24-2013, 3:40 PM
I agree, You took it to the extreme a bit. That was a general response to a 300-800 dollar rifle not a 3000 dollar one. I would like to see a 6000 dollar scope in person one day.

Even then, it doesn't need to cost double. A $300 budget hunting rifle doesn't really need a $600 scope. Taking it to the higher end without getting into extremes, a $1500 rifle doesn't need a $3000 scope.

Being prepared to spend as much on the scope as you did the rifle would be ok to say, but acting as if there's some serious meaning to spending 2x what you paid for the rifle on the scope alone is just silly. Sure, a $300 nikon, leupold, burris, bushnell, etc. probably wouldn't stand up to weeks of abuse at a time in afghanistan, but that's not what people are buying those for.

Pretty much all you need to do is avoid the bottom of the barrel chinese junk, and not get suckered by stupid made up words like "CounterSniper" with their bertrillizanitatium lens coatings and 4 different reticles etched into different areas on the same glass.

razr
12-24-2013, 3:51 PM
Chinese junk? Most glass is cut in China. Fewer are made here, Japan and Germany. Even Leupold admits to that. A cheap scope will ruin a good hunt.

I'll meet you in the middle, could we agree on x 1.5?

Merc1138
12-24-2013, 3:59 PM
Chinese junk? Most glass is cut in China. Fewer are made here, Japan and Germany. Even Leupold admits to that. A cheap scope will ruin a good hunt.

I'll meet you in the middle, could we agree on x 1.5?

I'm not sure what is confusing about "chinese junk". If you think that just because Leupold and many other companies source glass in China and south-east Asia, barska must be on the same level, you're fooling yourself. Not everything is junk just because it's made in China, but the bulk of the cheap garbage $50 walmart specials out there are made in China. Do I really have to point out the difference between Barska and Leupold? They could even be made in the same factory for all it matters, Barska is still junk. NCstar is not on par with Nikon, and Leapers is not the equivalent of Bushnell.

BTW, the glass isn't necessarily the most important part of the scope depending on what you're using it for. You could have excellent glass in a scope, but if your turrets are inconsistent mush that can't return to zero, good luck ever dialing in an elevation adjustment.

And no, you don't need to spend 1.5x what the rifle cost on an optic either. I don't hunt, but I'm pretty sure that if I couldn't hit a deer at 200 yards with a $300 scope, that having a $900 scope wouldn't have helped me at all.

razr
12-24-2013, 4:05 PM
No Please dont point out Braska and Leupold differences. I happen to own Leupold and I am perfectly happy with it. Never had any issues with the finish, fog, halos or holding zero. So, could we agree on X1.5 or do I need to go down to X1.25?

faris1984
12-24-2013, 4:06 PM
Ruger is nice but,I would like to go with Winchester 70.

Merc1138
12-24-2013, 4:14 PM
No Please dont point out Braska and Leupold differences. I happen to own Leupold and I am perfectly happy with it. Never had any issues with the finish, fog, halos or holding zero. So, could we agree on X1.5 or do I need to go down to X1.25?

So what would the problem be with a $500 leupold on a $500 rifle then? I have a vx-3 that I paid under $500 for, is that simply not good enough for an optics snob to put on a $600 rifle?

Why shouldn't I be able to put a US Optics or Bushnell elite on an AI AE mkIII? Or does it really need a $7000 hensoldt? Even insisting I need to pay as much for the optic as the rifle, I can't put anything under $3k on a Sako TRG 22? I hope I don't ever end up with a cheytac m300, there aren't on rifle scopes that cost enough to be able to put on it :rolleyes:

razr
12-24-2013, 4:22 PM
Merc, you are killing me. We are not to hijack this with our scope discussion. You got me all excited about Sako TRG now I am going to have to look into it.

OP, my apologies. I personally would go with Browning A bolt. Unless Merc wants to disagree with that as well.

OP, buy the most expensive scope you could afford. You wont regret it.

bombadillo
12-24-2013, 4:23 PM
Been following this thread since I am also looking for my first bolt gun for hunting. I like the tika and the ruger american so far. If I get a remington 700 I will be too tempted to start modifying it and I want to keep it simple and stock.

Is $699 a good price for a tika t3 lite 30.06 with a burris 3-9◊40 fullfield II ?

Sent from my tappy tappy thingy


That is a fantastic deal! I'm not a glass snob or anything, but you don't need to spend at least twice the rifle cost on glass to start out. Most guys could get by with a decent Nikon Prostaff 5 2.5-10x40 for $250 and put that on your Tikka, and call it a day. It'll be more than clear for hunting and most applications to 500 yards even with a hunting profile. Don't let people fool you into thinking you need a $1400 swarovski for a 700 dollar tikka or remington.

Jason95357
12-24-2013, 4:38 PM
Bass Pro has Remmington's, Tikka's, Savagae's, and Rugers.

Call before you go in and ask for the Gun Vault to verify they have what you want in stock. Even when you show up, if they don't say they have it, tell them to call the Gun Vault and double-check.

I'd done that for my new R700 7mm REM Mag, and let's just say it took them a bit to find it, but they had it.

Also, just settle right now if you buy from Bass Pro that you have to buy the $5 "Cal DOJ-approved" lock that they say they have to sell you (store policy) - even though it comes with a lock, and you probably own a safe, and you may even bring in your own lock, it doesn't matter.

For me, it was the purchase of probably the only hunting rifle I'll own, so I went as big as my budget would allow based on a hunter friend's recommendation. Now I just need to save for glass ;-)

slosurfer
12-24-2013, 7:07 PM
That is a fantastic deal! I'm not a glass snob or anything, but you don't need to spend at least twice the rifle cost on glass to start out. Most guys could get by with a decent Nikon Prostaff 5 2.5-10x40 for $250 and put that on your Tikka, and call it a day. It'll be more than clear for hunting and most applications to 500 yards even with a hunting profile. Don't let people fool you into thinking you need a $1400 swarovski for a 700 dollar tikka or remington.

Jailed the Tikka this evening on my way home from work :)

Varg Vikernes
12-24-2013, 7:53 PM
I've heard Remington quality has dropped off a cliff over the years. Their pre60s? guns are supposed to be really good though.

bombadillo
12-24-2013, 8:14 PM
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/TgtGfx_zps21385ba9.jpg

Remington quality in the last 12 months. Remington 5R 24" in less than 10 shots. These were literally the first 10 shots of the rifle. No complaints here.

cruddymutt
12-24-2013, 9:30 PM
You will LOVE the Tikka. I have a 22-250 Tikka T3 Hunter that is my dedicated coyote gun. The rifle is amazing.

ar15barrels
12-24-2013, 9:51 PM
I've heard Remington quality has dropped off a cliff over the years. Their pre60s? guns are supposed to be really good though.

The FINISHING has dropped off.
They don't do the nice polished bluing anymore or the hand fitting.
The dimensional consistency of the parts has improved significantly since the 60's due to computer controlled machining.

JMP
12-25-2013, 10:11 AM
There is a lot more to a B&C stock that just the color.
Painting an injection molded stock only changes the color.
It does not make it any better mechanically.

B&C stocks are far better mechanically than injection molded stocks.

I am fairly certain that green stocks are the most accurate.

vliberatore
12-25-2013, 10:12 AM
I am fairly certain that green stocks are the most accurate.

You haven't tried an ATACS stock then.

SOAR79
12-25-2013, 10:16 AM
What you get for spending more is pride of ownership.

A $500 rifle with a $500 scope would likely serve you better than a $800 rifle with a $200 scope or a $200 rifle with an $800 scope.

good way to think of it

ThatKidCash
12-25-2013, 10:34 AM
I was in the same boat as the OP.

I went with a Remington 783 in 30-06, Vortex HS 2.5-10 x 44, and Leupold STD bases and rings. Just under $800 at BPS.

I love it.

anti
12-25-2013, 10:52 AM
I'm personally going with a T3 in .243 Win. I hear nothing but good things about these rifles. All it'll need is a sling, a decent optic, and a good cleaning. :)

vliberatore
12-25-2013, 10:59 AM
I'm personally going with a T3 in .243 Win. I hear nothing but good things about these rifles. All it'll need is a sling, a decent optic, and a good cleaning. :)

Cabela's had them for $500 not long ago. Mine drives tacks.

JMP
12-25-2013, 11:07 AM
You haven't tried an ATACS stock then.

meh, that only seems to work better for the range ninjas.

bombadillo
12-25-2013, 12:25 PM
Meh, Ghillie rifle suit trumps all paint jobs. Pfff, paint.... and people say it doesn't make them shoot better :willy_nilly:

backdaman
12-25-2013, 11:21 PM
I bought a Ruger American in 270win and shot it for the first time with these results. I used an old bushnell banner. There are five shots in each group at a 100yds. I wasn't finished zeroing the scope till I ran out of time. I went late to the range. I'm pretty happy with it.

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anti
12-27-2013, 9:30 PM
Cabela's had them for $500 not long ago. Mine drives tacks.

Damn! I wish I would've known sooner :(