So Cal Sharpshooter (Fred)= Vulgar Lunatic who does not respect gun owners [Archive]

midngreen

01-11-2008, 11:16 PM

Dear Fellow Gun Owners,
Earlier today I decided to try out my new Ciener kit in my Stag-15 (with bullet button and 10rd mag) at a local range which I have been to in the past and had a pleasant time. While I was signing into the clipboard at SO CAL SHARPSHOOTER IN TORRANCE, CALIFORNIA. I was asked by guy #1 what kind of Long Gun I had in my possession, I responded with "22 Converted AR-15". Guy #1 did not know his own store policy on this particular gun so he calls over to Fred who asks for my age, I politely responded with 18, for that is my true and legal age. This is an age which allows me own Long Guns in the United States of America and also serve in the U.S. Navy. I thought nothing of it, but Fred who was carrying on a conversation with 2 other customers at the same time obviously did not hear me, and then he asked again but this time I did not hear due to the surrounding noise and his seemingly uninterested attitude. Then Guy #1 tries to seem tough and say "Hey he's talking to you!" So again I respond to this question and then he decides that an 18 year old is not allowed to own a CA LEGAL AR-15, and asks me several times with many expletives, "What the F*** is an 18 year old doing with an AR-15?!" The first time I respond "target shooting (no big deal right?)", but then he thinks that I misunderstood the question and that I was doing something illegal by owning a CA Legal Long Gun and asks the question again like this time I am going to say something different. I tried to explain to him that my weapon is CA Legal and that is not banned because it was a Stag. At this point he could have just told me that they do not allow OLLs on their range, but instead he proceeds to Verbally ASSAULT my friend and I for having "Off list lower S**t". He then yells at me like I just ran over his dog and tells me to "get that F***ing sh^t out right now!" At this point, I decided that he was unstable and could possibly do something erratic, while we were walking out Fred yelled around the hallway something about me being a SLAPD!@K and to read the F***ing Sign. We both looked over it and did not find any of their "laws" that we had broken. I did not think bringing a CA legal Long Gun to a public range would be a problem especially since it was chambered in .22lr, (not nearly as powerful as the .44mags that were going off while he was providing customer "service"). I believe that Fred is also an instructor for West Coast Tactical, from his immature and abusive behavior I will never be a customer of their's again. I also encourage others to reconsider giving your business to guys like this when there are other fine stores and ranges just a few miles away. Fred if you're reading this, thanks!

Black Majik

01-11-2008, 11:19 PM

*cooking popcorn*

if ts was still around he'd be the first to reply.

CalNRA

01-11-2008, 11:20 PM

:popcorn: tagged, ibtl

Alanski56

01-11-2008, 11:22 PM

I think what Fred will find out some day is that what goes around comes around. It will definitely be a rude awakening for him when that day does arrive because it certainly will. Don't worry about it and just go somewhere else. It sounds like he's the one with the issues and not you.

scootergmc

01-11-2008, 11:43 PM

I can't wait for Fred to come back and respond, although he probably won't. Nothing warms my heart more than his heartfelt gun range stories.

otalps

01-12-2008, 12:13 AM

Does he still post here? He did have some good stories...

lawnrevenge

01-12-2008, 12:23 AM

:lurk5:

SIP2000GLO

01-12-2008, 02:28 AM

Fred, Justin, and the rest of the boys there are good people. There's got to be more to the story.

Besides, respect is something that's earned not automatically given.

bigthaiboy

01-12-2008, 04:39 AM

I mentioned OLLs in conversation at Sharpshooters last year, and got the "You're going to jail" speech. All you can do is smile and nod as you walk out of their premises for the last time.

As for the verbal assault on Midngreen, it does seem OTT.

tankerman

01-12-2008, 05:16 AM

Fred, Justin, and the rest of the boys there are good people. There's got to be more to the story.

Besides, respect is something that's earned not automatically given.
WTF does that mean? Are you saying that Fred has the right treat customers like sh-t because they have not yet earned his respect?

I get so friggin tired of folks taking up for a figgin a--hole because they work/own a gunshop/range. They are not celebrities. Stop sucking up to them.

I don't know what exactly happened at that range, but I do know that the whole "earned respect" aspect you threw out there is pure BS.

VegasND

01-12-2008, 05:39 AM

I shoot here, and nobody ever gives me a hard time. Very nice place...I recommend it highly.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj229/rpllvn/DCFC0004.jpg
If you want directions just ask.

USN CHIEF

01-12-2008, 06:18 AM

When did this take place? Is Fred the owner of the Shooting Range?

Fjold

01-12-2008, 06:39 AM

Fred, Justin, and the rest of the boys there are good people. There's got to be more to the story.

Besides, respect is something that's earned not automatically given.

What a waste of bandwidth. Why did you even post?

You don't have to earn respect from a merchant, they have to earn yours!

stevie

01-12-2008, 06:52 AM

Fred is the manager

Mac

01-12-2008, 06:53 AM

Jeez, Ranges.:mad:

lawnrevenge

01-12-2008, 07:03 AM

You don't have to earn respect from a merchant, they have to earn yours!

And respect has nothing to do with it. Being an a-hole to customers is rude. You can be polite to people you have no respect for and still be honest about what you need to communicate, it's called diplomacy.

di·plo·ma·cy

NOUN:

1. The art or practice of conducting international relations, as in negotiating alliances, treaties, and agreements.
2. Tact and skill in dealing with people. See Synonyms at tact.

4 Brigada

01-12-2008, 07:20 AM

WTF does that mean? Are you saying that Fred has the right treat customers like sh-t because they have not yet earned his respect?

I guess some of their customers while they are earning the right, will go "PAY" their respects to another range. The customer isnt always right, but they are your customers.

valleyrat

01-12-2008, 07:34 AM

1911su16b870

01-12-2008, 07:55 AM

Looking forward to hearing the other side of the story. :lurk5:

I shoot at Sharpshooters and have never had any problems from Fred or the staff. They have helped me many, many times and I appreciate and value the fact that they are the last LA range in the south bay.

Someone recently posted about their OLL policies and the advice given was call first and politely ask. I guess the OP answered that question. :eek:

4 Brigada

01-12-2008, 07:55 AM

Perhaps it will take a decade or so for the OLL thing to really take hold and when it does those jerks will go out of business.

I would love to be a fly on the wall, when the DOJ/BoF is squeezing these guys. I cant believe that they would rather cave in to FUD and lose money, and not to do something that is perfectly legal. But it depends on the region I guess. But this will all be settled "in two weeks".:willy_nilly:

mike100

01-12-2008, 08:02 AM

1) either you were a prick
2) they were pricks
3) OP is a minority somebody didn't like
4) all of the above

stevie

01-12-2008, 08:12 AM

1) either you were a prick
2) they were pricks
3) OP is a minority somebody didn't like
4) all of the above

I once knocked on the door 20 minutes after posted opening time. Fred stuck his head out and told me they were closed and reading the F^&*ing sign. He did say he was sorry once he realized the time. So in this instance looks like number 2 is in order.

tackdrivr

01-12-2008, 08:12 AM

Fred if you're reading this, thanks!

Anytime.

On the upside I've gone from rude and racist, to vugar and unstable. Me thinks I'm moving up in the world.

midngreen

01-12-2008, 08:19 AM

So Fred, what in your opinion did I do wrong, besides being 18yo?

tackdrivr

01-12-2008, 08:22 AM

So Fred, what in your opinion did I do wrong, besides being 18yo?

Stop by today and we'll have a chat if you like. I'll comp your range fees.

I have to get ready for workie workie now. Another day devoted to trampling peoples 2A rights, and being the grim reaper.

toolman9000

01-12-2008, 08:23 AM

One thing you can say about Sharpshooters is that they are consistent. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=21019) Good to hear everyone is doing well there.

Fred is a peach isn't he?

he he he.

tackdrivr

01-12-2008, 08:29 AM

One thing you can say about Sharpshooters is that they are consistent. Good to hear everyone is doing well there.

Fred is a peach isn't he?

he he he.

He bro, how's it going? To bad SD TS got banned here. It could be just like old times. I really miss those days.

I'd rather be called a daisy than a peach. Ya know, get that Tombstone vibe happening.

Take care.

brassburnz

01-12-2008, 08:33 AM

Fred, Justin, and the rest of the boys there are good people. There's got to be more to the story.

Besides, respect is something that's earned not automatically given.

If Midngreen is a sailor in the US Navy as his post infers, he already has my respect and I've never even met this young man.

USN CHIEF

01-12-2008, 08:53 AM

If Midngreen is a sailor in the US Navy as his post infers, he already has my respect and I've never even met this young man.

This is what is bugging me even more about the whole situation. This is not your average 18 year old, he is a freaking Sailor:eek:, I just hope that all this was just a HUGE missunderstanding and that Fred and him come into some good terms. Navy does not like it when merchants treat Sailors bad, they tend to make areas off limits... Bad for bussiness..:)

NeoWeird

01-12-2008, 09:10 AM

wait, I missed it. So Fred just posted but wat exactly happened? Was it just a bad day for Fred? Did both parts act out of line in the eyes of the other person and Fred wants to resolve it in person?

Sorry, not trying to instigate, but I've heard relatively good things about Sharpshooters so this was a surprise and I'm curious to hear what happened. I've pointed several friends in their direction, so I assume it's a missunderstanding, but reasurnace would be nice.

And good for you Fred. It's one thing to come into a topic abot you, but to attempt to resolve the problem also is a good character trait. Just watch the mouth ;) (we need a soad icon).

rkt88edmo

01-12-2008, 09:17 AM

Maybe he was wearing a silly looking sailor hat that Fred didn't like :biggrinjester:

Say his name in the thread enough times and Fred appears! It's like internet magic.

midngreen

01-12-2008, 09:22 AM

There is nothing silly about US Navy Uniforms, and in fact I was not wearing my uniform.

USN CHIEF

01-12-2008, 09:24 AM

Maybe he was wearing a silly looking sailor hat that Fred didn't like :biggrinjester:

Say his name in the thread enough times and Fred appears! It's like internet magic.

Chicks dig them hats:43:

midngreen

01-12-2008, 09:25 AM

yep they do

VeryCoolCat

01-12-2008, 09:27 AM

I don't know from my dealings with fred at sharpshooters I know hes an *** but hes never blown up on me, but I don't shoot there only did transfers/purchases from them.

What i can tell though... I'm afraid to say that race plays an important issue in regards to how you're treated there.

Stormfeather

01-12-2008, 09:38 AM

Maybe he was wearing a silly looking sailor hat that Fred didn't like :biggrinjester:

There is nothing silly about US Navy Uniforms. . . .

Chicks dig them hats:43:

Ok. . . thats it. . . cant let this go on one more second! As a former hard corps devil-dog, I have to say this, those hats are ghey! But. . . . . at least you dont have to wear those sillyazz dungaree bell bottoms anymore. Or so I heard. . . . . Those things were just humiliating, even from a Marines point of view. and yes, even before you say it, Marines are a Dept of the Navy, . . . . The Mens Dept!

But even as a Marine, I will admit, Chiefs run the Navy!

Stormfeather

01-12-2008, 09:39 AM

SVRider

01-12-2008, 09:39 AM

There's gotta be more to the story. I've been shooting there for 15+ years and never had a problem or even seen one remotely like what is being described. Fred has been there for as long as I can remember.

Some people are not comfortable with the whole OLL thing, and that is their right. Rettings is the same way. If you disagree, go somewhere else. They have the FFL's and if they feel that having them in the shop jeapordizes their licenses and don't want them there, than so be it.

As for him suddenly blowing up....unprovoked it's uncalled for, but there's got to be more to the story leading up to it than that.... (and no, I don't work there, am not "buddy buddy" with them or any other such nonsense....just a regular old customer) I've heard the odd expletive now and then out of his mouth, but he's never been rude to me or anyone else in the range while I was there.

Soldier415

01-12-2008, 09:41 AM

tag. Waiting to see Fred's side of the story.

USN CHIEF

01-12-2008, 09:44 AM

What i can tell though... I'm afraid to say that race plays an important issue in regards to how you're treated there.

:eek: i really hope that is not true:eek:

CALI-gula

01-12-2008, 09:57 AM

I always assumed that the market would take care of these @ss holes. Perhaps it will take a decade or so for the OLL thing to really take hold and when it does those jerks will go out of business.

I definitely got "the look" from a sales associate at Martin Rettings when I asked about olls. I really got his goat when I asked to buy one of the 5 round AK mags I know they have stashed in back!

What do you mean "5 round AK mags I know they have stashed in back!"? They keep them out, and right up in front of the cash register, on the glass counter where they display the folding knives (where htey used to display pocket guns) in a small white plastic bucket marked "5 round AK magazines". The 5 round AK mags have been set out in that same spot for over 2 years. Very well made magazines too. :confused:

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valleyrat

01-12-2008, 09:58 AM

Some people are not comfortable with the whole OLL thing, and that is their right. Rettings is the same way. If you disagree, go somewhere else. They have the FFL's and if they feel that having them in the shop jeapordizes their licenses and don't want them there, than so be it.

I did, and it came down to not liking the "word police" feeling I would get from the associates. This was AFTER I spent nearly $1000 in their store. I don't appreciate being made to feel a criminal. Same as the OP at the shooting range..

valleyrat

01-12-2008, 10:02 AM

What do you mean "5 round AK mags I know they have stashed in back!"? They keep them out, and right up in front of the cash register, on the glass counter where they display the folding knives (where htey used to display pocket guns) in a small white plastic bucket marked "5 round AK magazines". The 5 round AK mags have been set out in that same spot for over 2 years. Very well made magazines too. :confused:

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Ya, I know! I was in the store about a month ago and the box was gone! I asked if they still had them and the dude went into the back and grabbed one for me, after lecturing me on how the AK is an illegal assault rifle. I didn't understand why they moved them, just assumned it was part of their no OLL thing. Have you been there recently?

CALI-gula

01-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Ya, I know! I was in the store about a month ago and the box was gone! I asked if they still had them and the dude went into the back and grabbed one for me, after lecturing me on how the AK is an illegal assault rifle. I didn't understand why they moved them, just assumned it was part of their no OLL thing. Have you been there recently?

Sounds likely. Since awareness of the OLL hit non-prolific gun owners and general mainstream public this past August or so, they have probably been fielding hundreds of OLL/OLR questions a day from newbies on the issue, both on the phone and in-store. I would bet it's possible they moved them DUE to their not being OLL friendly and worries, just so they could give a brief lecture on the AK issue when someone asks (so they don't get blamed when someone builds it in non-compliant configuration), and/or just in case some DOJ undercover was sniffing around for topic matter to bust them on.

Last time I was there was mid-November, so true, they may have moved them since then. Time I was there before that? June 2007. Time before that? January 2007. What does that say? I used to go over there nearly once every 2 weeks for several years, often making significant gun purchases twice a month; that was BEFORE the OLL/OLR revelations hit here on Calguns in late 2004. And you know what else? Before SB15 passed, and they decided to stop carrying consignment handguns in their display (due to their interpretation of the law, even though the DOJ gave written opinion it was allowed), I used to go there every week on a lunch break, sometimes twice a week.

No longer. If I visit a dealer now, typically it is because they are OLL/OLR friendly.

By the way - whatever happened to LA Guns? They closed down right in the thick of when gun enthusiasts in the area were seeking out dealers for obtaining OLL/OLR items and dedicating their money to those pursuits - oh yeah, now I remember, maybe it's because LA Guns wasn't OLL/OLR friendly and they stopped getting as much traffic in the store?

That may be a message to others. ;)

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4 Brigada

01-12-2008, 10:31 AM

(so they don't get blamed when someone builds it in non-compliant configuration), and/or just in case some DOJ undercover was sniffing around for topic matter to bust them on

Here is were most of my confusion occurs, If I sold someone my car and they got totally hammered and decided to run down school children, Would I be held responsible because I sold him my car, a perfectly legal car?

And how can a DOJ/BoF agent bust someone for selling a legal firearm as is the case with the OLL receivers?

Please someone clarify?

valleyrat

01-12-2008, 10:31 AM

By the way - whatever happened to LA Guns? They closed down right in the thick of when gun enthusiasts in the area were seeking out dealers for obtaining OLL/OLR items and dedicating their money to those pursuits - oh yeah, now I remember, maybe it's because LA Guns wasn't OLL/OLR friendly and they stopped getting as much traffic in the store?

That may be a message to others. ;)

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"No longer open to the public" Was what I got on the phone when I called.

CALI-gula

01-12-2008, 11:03 AM

"No longer open to the public" Was what I got on the phone when I called.

Yep - they shut their doors over a year ago, and now only sell non-DOJ-safety-listed handguns out-of-state on Auction Arms. They will sell rifles and "OK" handguns to CA citizens, but only by shipping to another receiving/transfer dealer. You can't buy on Auction Arms from them and then pick it up from them at the store. At one time, they had a written up and apology about why they closed their doors, but it's no longer posted.

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bohoki

01-12-2008, 02:13 PM

next time someone asks what your rifle is call it a .22 stag ar-15 is a registered trademark of colt firearms

since unregistered ar-15's are illegal and since yours is legal it cannot be an ar-15

JMB1911

01-12-2008, 02:17 PM

Hey Man, sorry to hear about your bad experience at Sharpsoother. I've been going there for years and haven't had any problems. But then again I've never brought up any OLL stuff. Fred, Justin, Jim and the rest of the gang there have been helpful. I do agree that they're pretty profane there though. It's part of the language and culture there. Much like how it was when I was in the military :) And race has nothing to do with it at all. If I'm not mistaken, they have a Japanese girl and a Chinese (or is he Japanese?) guy working there. I hope you and Fred can work things out. Heck, make him give you a year membership for free! LOL

stevie

01-12-2008, 02:30 PM

tophatjones

01-12-2008, 03:11 PM

I'm confused. How can having a Chinese or Japanese worker(s) automatically negate the allegations of racism?

In reply to the op, I hope they make it right. Because although they have the right to refuse the OLL business, they don't have to be rude about it. I'd like to hear the other side of the story if possible.

mothergreen

01-12-2008, 03:40 PM

and he doesn't want to talk about it on the board.. sounds like he was clearly in the wrong to me.

dadoody

01-12-2008, 04:46 PM

Deleted.

OP did the right thing by just walking away politely.

Blowing back up at someone who works at a gunshop (and probably had a side arm strapped to his pants) would probably be unwise as it would be unproductive and the person at the counter may not be completely right in the head.

Ryan HBC

01-12-2008, 05:07 PM

Fred is a decent guy, and he knows the industry up and down....but let's be honest here - he is not in the business for his people skills. I have seen him being rude, unprofessional and disrespectful with little provocation. I just hope that he reads this thread and realizes that this is not an isolated incident and lightens up a little bit on his patrons. It’s just how he is. Either way, it would be a good thing if he came here and apologized, no matter what actually happened. Calling names and yelling is absolutely uncalled for, especially someone of Fred's age and experience.

I've been going to Sharpshooters for years now and bought several guns from them. I've seen them dealing with customers and been surprised multiple times at the uncomfortable environment they create for them. They can be rude, especially to the beginners that don't know exactly what they are doing. It is no excuse, but if you know what you are doing then they generally don't give you a hard time.

Yes, they are douche bags about the whole "off list" scene, but that is their choice and they certainly aren't the only ones. (See: Turners) I surmise that they are paying for it in their pocket books, but can't really say for sure. Maybe they get their revenue from range fees and not from firearm sales and it is not a concern for them. I can see why most dealers would stay away from it a couple years ago, but it seems like enough time has passed that they can loosen up. Maybe Freddy can chime in and tell us what their official position is, maybe they have heard things from the DOJ that we haven’t.

One more thing worth mentioning if the staff at Sharpshooter’s are reading this: Fred and Justin will never run an HR department, but they are great guys. Especially once you get on their good side. They may just be a little too comfortable in their work environment. The other guy that works there, however, is absolutely out of line all of the time. He's a heavier set guy that has absolutely no idea how to handle himself professionally in front of customers. His behaviors, especially the constant inappropriate language when customers are present are an embarrassment to the establishment. I would lock him up in the back and not let him on the floor. Ever.

I love going to Sharpshooters, and I choose their business over their competitors. The last thing I want is for them to close down, and I wish nothing but success for them and everyone else in the industry. I mean the above post to be all constructive criticism and nothing personal.

chickenfried

01-12-2008, 05:12 PM

Those other places must really suck!

I love going to Sharpshooters, and I choose their business over their competitors.

Sydwaiz

01-12-2008, 05:27 PM

Hmm, last time I was at Sharpshooters was a few years ago before OLL were even available. I took my registered lower and 9mm OLy upper in and they didn't even blink. Just asked me what's in the case, I told them 9mm carbine and that was that, never even asked to look at it or said anything after I started shooting it. Been thinking of going back soon as I have some friends who want to learn how to shoot. So Fred, if you are reading this, please be nice to me and my friends when we come in! :D

tackdrivr

01-12-2008, 05:37 PM

Wow, We have been swamped all flipping day. Keep those love letters coming boys.

XXXOOO.

LMAO.

ohsmily

01-12-2008, 05:56 PM

Wow, We have been swamped all flipping day. Keep those love letters coming boys.

XXXOOO.-

LMAO.

Ok, I don't know you, never shot at your range. BUT, why aren't you addressing what the OP stated? Are you ignoring it because it is completely untrue? Are you ignoring it because it is completely true? Your few posts in this thread have not had any substance. From the account the original poster gave, I would NEVER shoot at your range. But, perhaps, he is full of it. But, until you refute it, I will take it at face value.
I can understand dealers who simply say "we don't allow those/ we don't transfer those." But when idiots, WHO DON'T KNOW THE LAW, spout off at the mouth and tell people they are going to jail and call them names, I get very upset. No one has been rude to me yet, but many places have told me they don't transfer OLLs (which is fine).

tackdrivr

01-12-2008, 06:05 PM

Ok, I don't know you, never shot at your range. BUT, why aren't you addressing what the OP stated? Are you ignoring it because it is completely untrue? Are you ignoring it because it is completely true? Your few posts in this thread have not had any substance. From the account the original poster gave, I would NEVER shoot at your range. But, perhaps, he is full of it. But, until you refute it, I will take it at face value.
I can understand dealers who simply say "we don't allow those/ we don't transfer those." But when idiots, WHO DON'T KNOW THE LAW, spout off at the mouth and tell people they are going to jail and call them names, I get very upset. No one has been rude to me yet, but many places have told me they don't transfer OLLs (which is fine).

Sorry guys, I'm working and just don't have time to get into it right now. Maybe later, maybe not.

tankerman

01-12-2008, 06:05 PM

Wow, We have been swamped all flipping day. Keep those love letters coming boys.

XXXOOO.

LMAO.
Obviously you ar not a friend of gun owners since you are willing to spread LIES.

You and Evans in Orange must be related. Do you have a mullet too?

Fjold

01-12-2008, 06:07 PM

Wow, We have been swamped all flipping day. Keep those love letters coming boys.

XXXOOO.

LMAO.

It certainlty looks like the original poster is correct.

hk-p2000

01-12-2008, 06:21 PM

yes Fred let's see whats your point of view.
cause I'm new to all this of guns but was thinking of taking one of your class for NRA First Steps Pistol Training. hope you come out and defend yourself to see what happen.
otherwise taking my biz some where else

Kestryll

01-12-2008, 06:30 PM

Wow, We have been swamped all flipping day. Keep those love letters coming boys.

XXXOOO.

LMAO.

Please PM me or email me at calguns.net(at)gmail.com to reinstate your account when you are willing to address this issue with something other than flippant sarcasm and contempt for the members of this forum.
Thank you.

To clarify, you are NOT banned, you can view posts and attachments and send and receive PMs.
Your account has been placed in a holding pattern until I hear from you.

dadoody

01-12-2008, 06:36 PM

I would like to take this time to say that of all the shooting ranges I;ve been to in LA and OC counties, I think Insight in Cerritos has the most professional staff, a good selection of clean and properly working rental firearms around.

Mac

01-12-2008, 06:40 PM

Get some, Kestryll

Kestryll

01-12-2008, 06:41 PM

For the record in my view this is not about what range is better or even about who is 'right' or 'wrong'.

It is simply about the manner in which the members of this forum are being addressed and lack of both civility and substantive answers.

Nothing more.

USN CHIEF

01-12-2008, 06:45 PM

Sorry guys, I'm working and just don't have time to get into it right now. Maybe later, maybe not.

This just shows the professional characters that they employ at that particular range. Now I really don't doubt the OP. :eek:, It seems like a boycot of that Range is coming:eek:

DedEye

01-12-2008, 07:00 PM

Sorry guys, I'm working and just don't have time to get into it right now. Maybe later, maybe not.

You've had time to post these snide little comments all day it seems, so why not type out a sentence or two when you have the opportunity and post the story when you finish?

Waingro

01-12-2008, 07:05 PM

I think I have been there once before. It is in Torrance? I was in and out with a buddy shooting a Glock he had before I got mine. No problem, but no words said either - but from memory I did remember people smoking there, if I was a regular there I would ask if I was allowed to smoke inside. From reading this I get the feeling that this has occurred before?

ybz

01-12-2008, 07:07 PM

Please PM me or email me at calguns.net(at)gmail.com to reinstate your account when you are willing to address this issue with something other than flippant sarcasm and contempt for the members of this forum.
Thank you.

To clarify, you are NOT banned, you can view posts and attachments and send and receive PMs.
Your account has been placed in a holding pattern until I hear from you.

Good for you!!! I could not think of a more fair way to deal with such a person...

ybz

01-12-2008, 07:19 PM

we had a thread a few weeks ago about the poor attitude some FFL's had - poor personal/marketing skills...

now this is more of the same... but the thing that really is confusing to me, is what buisness do they have attempting to determine if a gun is legal before they let you shoot it... do they measure every barrel on a rifle to make sure it's not too short? checking every handgun for threaded barrel and asking for registration? running serial numbers on your weapon to make sure it's not stolen? i dont get it.... they should ask you what caliber, type of ammo, and i guess they can ask if to the best of your knowledge the gun is legal. that's it. if you are shooting something you shouldn't, and you get busted by the cop next to you that's on you...