are RRA lowers off-list? legal to purchase thru ffl?

[sniper_jay]

i thought they were on the kasler's list and designated as assault weapons but i know somebody who bought a few RRA lowers in calif.

[SigShooter]

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong...

It's my understanding that the RRA CAR-15 is on the list, but the RRA lowers being sold here in CA are marked as LAR-15. Without a MFG/Model match it is NOT illegal here in CA.

[Shane916]

When they banned the RRA AR-15's they named them in the fully built configuration rather then naming the receiver name. If you build up the configuration exactly listed then you might have problems. The lower is off-list.

[bwiese]

(Hmm I replied before but it didn't stick...)

The RRA lower is marked "Rock River Arms LAR-15". It is not listed as banned on the Kasler list.

Due to the curious way the AW lists were formulated, some guns may be considered banned by what's not on the receiver. (So far it's just RRA that I can recall for now.)

Thus, one should use care NOT to affix an RRA upper, that (when combined with an RRA lower) would produce an equivalent to one of the banned RRA combinations on the Kasler list ("Standard A4 carbine", etc.).

[The above is a defendable case for a variety of reasons, but it's just probably best to "not go there": if you've got an RRA lower, get a specialty RRA upper that does not produce one of the prohibited models, or use another brand of upper. I do frankly doubt any DA investigator or DOJ type would even remotely have the skill to even recognize the difference btwn an RRA upper vs. another brand, and most investigations would just look at the sideplate make/model#, but it still pays to be clean.]

[Jason762]

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Thus, one should use care NOT to affix an RRA upper, that (when combined with an RRA lower) would produce an equivalent to one of the banned RRA combinations on the Kasler list ("Standard A4 carbine", etc.).

So it wouldn't be advisable to get the RRA NM Receiver set (http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=AR0114A2SET&storeid=1&image=nmrcvset.gif&CFID=7040154&CFTOKEN=23529847) to build a DCM-legal highpower competition rifle?

[Shane916]

So it wouldn't be advisable to get the RRA NM Receiver set (http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=AR0114A2SET&storeid=1&image=nmrcvset.gif&CFID=7040154&CFTOKEN=23529847) to build a DCM-legal highpower competition rifle?

As long as you don't have the the same stock and pistol grip then I don't see how it would meet the criteria of a true fully built configuration of a banned RRA rifle.

[bwiese]

So it wouldn't be advisable to get the RRA NM Receiver set (http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=AR0114A2SET&storeid=1&image=nmrcvset.gif&CFID=7040154&CFTOKEN=23529847) to build a DCM-legal highpower competition rifle?

I would have some differences from one of the brands.

The fact that it's homebuilt and not a factory-shipped rifle really means it's not truly one of the listed "configuration models" (i.e, a model not marked on receiver). Certainly that's a defense.

However, I'd prefer a larger comfort zone and have some differing parts somehow.

[Hoop]

i thought they were on the kasler's list and designated as assault weapons but i know somebody who bought a few RRA lowers in calif.

Tell your friend to buy one of the many other lowers out there so he can use an RRA upper if he wishes. Stag, CMMG, LAR are all good. I think Stag & RRA lowers are made by the same manufacturer and then re-branded btw.