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Bongos
08-30-2013, 9:57 AM
Started getting into making knives out of files from a curiosity
here are some pics:
started with a very basic design with paracord wrap
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/Knives007_zpsdd84f394.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/Knives007_zpsdd84f394.jpg.html)

Then moved on to wood grips
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/Knives005_zpse5c059e5.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/Knives005_zpse5c059e5.jpg.html)

Then the infamous bowie
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/Knives002_zpsca083f11.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/Knives002_zpsca083f11.jpg.html)
Now
trying different blade shapes
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/photo7_zps70ee24c9.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/photo7_zps70ee24c9.jpg.html)

Blademan21
08-30-2013, 3:01 PM
How are you heat treating? What are you using to grind the blade, 2x72 belt grinder? Nice start,keep it up.

Bongos
08-30-2013, 4:48 PM
Yes, Annealing, shaping, hardening, then tempering. Initial grind is a Bench grinder, shaping with a 1x30 and 2x42 belt sander.

As far as heat treating, when I have a BBQ I lay the files in with the coals, the trick is to get the metal up to non-magnetic, after you let the metal cool by itself, steel should be very soft now.

golfish
08-30-2013, 5:01 PM
I have a dozen or so Anza knifes. I like em but the handles need to be attached a better way. The glue just doesn't get it ...

Those are all nice knifes, I really like what you did with the wood grip and paracord wrap.

Very nice work

sealocan
08-30-2013, 5:09 PM
I knew the anza was known for this but yours are really nice and I like how you left some what some of the filing remaining.
It might be handy to have the top edge left alone in case you need to file.

golfish
08-30-2013, 5:37 PM
I bought this skinner two years ago on ebay (56.00 I think) I'm pretty sure the seller bought a bunch of new old stock anza knifes from an estate sale. I bought a few from him, they were all made in the 80's and had never seen a stone. This one was made in 1983.


Just sharing this one because I think its cool. I'd like to read your take and thoughts on it. It had to be a huge file.

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y399/golfish5/IMG_15721_zps7cc1b762.jpg?t=1377908593

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y399/golfish5/IMG_15701_zpse2a469db.jpg?t=1377908527

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y399/golfish5/IMG_15731_zps2a9b341c.jpg?t=1377909747

Bongos
08-30-2013, 6:42 PM
I knew the anza was known for this but yours are really nice and I like how you left some what some of the filing remaining.
It might be handy to have the top edge left alone in case you need to file.

That is actually a great idea.. but sometimes I do some file work patterns on the spine of the knives, depending on the style of the blade, also trying wood I had laying around like cider, ash, and walnut
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/Knives010_zps02016d18.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/Knives010_zps02016d18.jpg.html)

Bongos
08-30-2013, 6:44 PM
Hardest part is making a hand guard out of another file, since these are made from files, I wanted to have the filing left on the blades

golfish
08-30-2013, 6:54 PM
So I only see pins on the wooden knife...what's holding on the other handles ?

Bongos
08-30-2013, 7:29 PM
Its actually industrial super glue, same stuff they use in laminate bow (Since I'm into Traditional Archery as well) making, it's good stuff.. The key is to let the glue cure at least 24 or more hours with pressure mates in and the parts fused together

ATS134
08-30-2013, 7:31 PM
Looking good, I like the top one a lot!

The first knife I made was a file knife and didn't look anywhere near as good as those.

Keep it up!

Bongos
08-30-2013, 7:31 PM
It's the same method the older kabars used compress glue, I can do the pins but didn't like the look

Blademan21
08-31-2013, 11:38 AM
Somewhere in my garage I have a box of used ferrier's rasps. These make bad *** Bowie knives with a hidden tang. Years ago I made two and put elk horn handles on them. Sold them at a Pow Wow to a mountain man type person. I got the rasps from a horse shoe place near me. They only are used once to not spread hoof and mouth from horse to horse. OP let me know if you are interested in a couple. Maybe a trade of some kind,always like to trade. :D

Meety Peety
08-31-2013, 3:38 PM
Really cool stuff! I always wanted to get into knife making but to be honest I didn't want to invest any serious cash only to find out that I'm no good at it or didn't like to do it etc. Any tips for someone who might want to test the waters a bit before making an investment?

Blademan21
08-31-2013, 5:23 PM
Really cool stuff! I always wanted to get into knife making but to be honest I didn't want to invest any serious cash only to find out that I'm no good at it or didn't like to do it etc. Any tips for someone who might want to test the waters a bit before making an investment?


Easy answer. Google knife kits. The supplier I liked the most was K&G out of Arizonia. They have kits,epoxy,handle material ect. Another is Texas Knife Making Supplies. Several companies to choose from,and most kits require no soldering of knife guards. In addition there are even folder kits on the market. I like K&G because one of the owners lived in Redlands about 30 years ago. Really nice folks to deal with. Go for it and let me know if I created a monster :D

Bongos
08-31-2013, 6:53 PM
Somewhere in my garage I have a box of used ferrier's rasps. These make bad *** Bowie knives with a hidden tang. Years ago I made two and put elk horn handles on them. Sold them at a Pow Wow to a mountain man type person. I got the rasps from a horse shoe place near me. They only are used once to not spread hoof and mouth from horse to horse. OP let me know if you are interested in a couple. Maybe a trade of some kind,always like to trade. :D

Thanks for the offer on the rasps, but I'm well stocked.. I'm pretty particular on the initial files, they have to be really old, the newer ones have inconsistency in the steel quality

As far as the kits, they look fun but I wanted to try something from scratch

Blademan21
08-31-2013, 8:14 PM
Thanks for the offer on the rasps, but I'm well stocked.. I'm pretty particular on the initial files, they have to be really old, the newer ones have inconsistency in the steel quality

As far as the kits, they look fun but I wanted to try something from scratch

Great that you have a supply of files. The rasps I have are American made,pretty good carbon content and good users if heat treated right.
The kits quote was for Meety Peety's question.

jfifer
09-01-2013, 1:00 AM
I make steel spear shafts for spearguns. Could I use all the worn down files I have for this?

Bongos
09-01-2013, 6:57 AM
I could not tell you as far as spear shafts, but files are solid pc high carbon steel, I guess you could but it won't be impervious to salt water and will rust.. How about aluminum arrow shafts, they are about 32" long and if u need weight since I assume this is going to b shot underwater all u have to do is use a filler to clog up the hollow tube.

Meety Peety
09-01-2013, 11:28 AM
Thanks Blademan but I wasn't really looking for a kit that you just snap together.. The finishing process is not what I would be worried about, it's more along the lines of tools required to cut the metal into shape, then heat treating (safely) without a smelting pot or forge. I was more so looking for tips like "Temper the blade in the oven" type of info.

But, it just dawned on me, I probably have everything I'd need to shape the blanks, rough cut with a plasma cutter, bench grinder to get the excess material off and belt sander to clean them up. My only concern is that my belt sander is a small handheld Makita, 10" or 12" sanding surface if I recall correctly. See a lot of people using much bigger sanders, but not sure why just yet.

Now I just need to figure out a way to safely harden the steel without starting a fire or spending a ton of money.

Bongos
09-01-2013, 3:29 PM
Thanks Blademan but I wasn't really looking for a kit that you just snap together.. The finishing process is not what I would be worried about, it's more along the lines of tools required to cut the metal into shape, then heat treating (safely) without a smelting pot or forge. I was more so looking for tips like "Temper the blade in the oven" type of info.

But, it just dawned on me, I probably have everything I'd need to shape the blanks, rough cut with a plasma cutter, bench grinder to get the excess material off and belt sander to clean them up. My only concern is that my belt sander is a small handheld Makita, 10" or 12" sanding surface if I recall correctly. See a lot of people using much bigger sanders, but not sure why just yet.

Now I just need to figure out a way to safely harden the steel without starting a fire or spending a ton of money.

There is actually two way of doing it with files:
1) Annealing, shaping, hardening, tempering
2) Tempering then sharpening


I use the 1st method as it's easier on your machines and more forgiving if you screw up. The second method basically takes the harden files down to 53-57 Rockwell hardness, but since it is already at your desired hardness. You have to really be careful not to over heat the knife while you are shaping and then sharpening the knife. Since the steel is already hard, a lot more wear is going to be put on your machines

Bongos
09-08-2013, 9:03 PM
Just finished a couple
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/photo8_zpsab1460c4.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/photo8_zpsab1460c4.jpg.html)
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/photo9_zps7596ac3e.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/photo9_zps7596ac3e.jpg.html)

Bongos
09-28-2013, 7:23 AM
Just finished up this one, 4.5" blade, maple and ash with antler ends
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/kh12994/photo11_zpsd48ddc92.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/kh12994/media/photo11_zpsd48ddc92.jpg.html)

MeatyMac
10-01-2013, 6:11 AM
That last one's a beauty, Bongos, I really like the cross-hatch pattern on the blade.

Bongos
10-01-2013, 9:04 AM
That last one's a beauty, Bongos, I really like the cross-hatch pattern on the blade.

Thanks! my Fav is the triangle pattern and crosshatch.. hard to find tho!

KillZone45
10-11-2013, 4:41 AM
While generally not the most aesthetically pleasing knives I find them to be bad azz. I just REALLY like the concept, I think the skill to make these are what intrigues me. Keep up the good work I would like to try my hand at these in the future.

SonofWWIIDI
10-11-2013, 8:45 AM
Awesome! Those look great. I really like the first one (tanto point with paracord wrap) and the last one.

Very nice!

Mentiroso
08-20-2014, 7:15 PM
I'm really excited about starting my own file knives. Your look great!

Masterdebater
08-28-2014, 5:50 PM
My cousins grandpa left him a bunch of files for making knives but he kinda gave up on it... I wish we could get into this those are amazing knives op

bsg
09-22-2014, 7:18 PM
i have no skill set for knife making, but certainly admire the work i'm looking at here.

Bongos
09-28-2014, 10:09 PM
i have no skill set for knife making, but certainly admire the work i'm looking at here.

Thanks, lots of grinding, shaping.. fun experience none the less

bloodhawke83
09-29-2014, 2:45 PM
What do you use to heat it up to harden it again?

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Bongos
09-30-2014, 8:12 PM
What do you use to heat it up to harden it again?

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Make shift forge, using a hair blower to get the heat up, when metal becomes non-magnetic, you let it cool when the flame dies (this is if you want to soften the metal so you can grind it and shape it), once you have the desired shape, you re-heat it to non-magnetic again, only this time you quench it in oil. Once cool, it's tempering time, you bake it in 400F oven for an hour, let it cool, then bake it again

m4rty
09-30-2014, 8:34 PM
+1 ...`nother fan of file knives. I've got a few Anza's and am looking at a Pearce rasp-cleaver....

That maple/antler/ash blade is very well done. Nice job.

bloodhawke83
09-30-2014, 10:58 PM
Make shift forge, using a hair blower to get the heat up, when metal becomes non-magnetic, you let it cool when the flame dies (this is if you want to soften the metal so you can grind it and shape it), once you have the desired shape, you re-heat it to non-magnetic again, only this time you quench it in oil. Once cool, it's tempering time, you bake it in 400F oven for an hour, let it cool, then bake it again

for the oven, broil it and quench in oil?

Bongos
10-01-2014, 6:24 PM
for the oven, broil it and quench in oil?

Well, I use charcoal, in the forge, the steel in with the hot charcoal, the hair dryer is blowing into the forge until the steel is glowing red, you know it hits temp when a magnet will not attract to the steel.. at that point you dip it in oil

bloodhawke83
10-02-2014, 12:37 PM
I think i'll go with a torch.

Bongos
10-02-2014, 3:40 PM
I think i'll go with a torch.

Good Luck! you might be able to do it but its going to be hard getting the length of the steel to be consistent,, MAPs torch is the way to go