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Nrai2020
08-26-2013, 9:32 PM
Hey guys,

I never really even considered a bolt gun before so i dont know much.. I have a few ARs/AKs.. and lately I ve kinda been getting more interested in bolt guns. What do you guy recommend for a good first bolt gun? So far the only two rifles I ve really read about are the remington 700 and mossberg MVP? Any suggestions?

wjc
08-26-2013, 9:34 PM
I'm partial to the Winchester Model 70 but I hear the new Remington 783 is supposed to be pretty good as well as the 700.

Gem1950
08-26-2013, 9:38 PM
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/

http://gunsmagazine.com/ruger-new-gunsite-scout/

jetman624
08-26-2013, 10:03 PM
Can't go wrong with a Rem 700, obviously.

Any idea what you might want to do with it?

Any interest in a .22LR? I just picked up a couple bolt action 22s and LOVE them. One has iron sights and the other has a 4x scope.

3GunFunShooter
08-26-2013, 10:17 PM
Check out the Savage 308, Model 10 line. I got a FCP with Accu-trigger, Accu-stock, 24", 5R rifling, heavy barrel, fluted, threaded, magazine fed, scope mounting rail. Was not listed on the Savage web site. Limited special run for a distributor. $825.00. Need to mount scope and break in it.

Arnelcheeze
08-26-2013, 10:33 PM
Cant go wrong with a 700, another option Ruger American Rifle.
I have a MVP, and very happy with it.

kingsfan8888
08-26-2013, 10:34 PM
go r700 gun will grow with you

kellyhachihachi
08-26-2013, 11:36 PM
Mosin :D

smittty
08-26-2013, 11:51 PM
First bolt gun...Savage FV-SR 22 LR.

RonnieP
08-27-2013, 4:16 AM
Mosin. At the beginning of this year, they went for about $100-120ish "new" from the store. Now they are going for $150-200 "new" from the store.

Get yours before they jump in prices again.

Superfreak
08-27-2013, 4:55 AM
If you've got a decent budget, take a look at:

-Remington 700
-Winchester 70

Good rule of thumb: Your glass should cost about as much as your rifle.

indetrucks
08-27-2013, 6:09 AM
Mosin :D

This was mine too! Back during the $89 Big 5 days.
This was YEARS ago and I have yet to put a single round through it. haha

Zerstörer
08-27-2013, 6:26 AM
I'm looking at getting my first bolt gun soon as well. I was thinking about the Ruger American, but am waiting to see of I can get a good deal.

kellyhachihachi
08-27-2013, 9:36 AM
This was mine too! Back during the $89 Big 5 days.
This was YEARS ago and I have yet to put a single round through it. haha
get out there and do it! haha whats stoppin you!

pontiacpratt
08-27-2013, 9:47 AM
Another Vote for a Savage Mark II FV. It's a blast pegging small targets out to 200 with bulk ammo

Thefeeder
08-27-2013, 10:38 AM
Winchester Model 70

Browning

Bobby Ricigliano
08-27-2013, 10:42 AM
As stated above, get a Mosin Nagant M91/30 and order a spam can of ammo online. You get a sturdy, affordable rifle and a ton of ammo.

Now, there is no contest between a Mosin and a nice glassed Remington 700. But between the rifle and ammo and optics, you are looking at $200 versus upwards of $2000. I personally don't even like modern bolt action guns. I am good with Mausers and Mosins.

Nrai2020
08-27-2013, 11:24 AM
Mosin is definitely on my list.. But also looking for a Bolt gun in .223 or .308.

Other question is what is a better caliber to have a bolt gun in? .223 or .308 or other? I don't really hunt (would like to one day soon)..

Varg Vikernes
08-27-2013, 11:41 AM
308 way better for hunting bigger game. But there are better calibers than it for hunting.

I heard to stay away from 700s because Remington quality has fallen. A Savage or Howa or something would be way better at their price points than a 700.

kellyhachihachi
08-27-2013, 3:29 PM
As stated above, get a Mosin Nagant M91/30 and order a spam can of ammo online. You get a sturdy, affordable rifle and a ton of ammo.

Now, there is no contest between a Mosin and a nice glassed Remington 700. But between the rifle and ammo and optics, you are looking at $200 versus upwards of $2000. I personally don't even like modern bolt action guns. I am good with Mausers and Mosins.

My dad has a Rem.700 chambered in 22-250 fun as hell, tack driver (put a hole clean through my friends plinker steel target hahah oops). But the Mosin is a ton of fun,love the recoil,love the history, cheap to shoot so you dont feel guilty missing every time :D (and you can blame it on the gun for missing to your friends :P ) , the gun is actually pretty accurate when i do hit stuff, in my case most of the time its operator error for terrible aim, but i hit a gallon sized waterbottle at id say couple hundred yards away. would help if the front post wasnt as big as the target but hey its cheap enough you can send it all day and not burn a hole in your wallet

kellyhachihachi
08-27-2013, 3:29 PM
Hard part is to not buy more of them

TMB 1
08-27-2013, 6:30 PM
If buying new I would say a Savage 110 or Stevens 200 in 270 or 30-06 would be a good first bolt action.
If you want a milsurp like others have said Mosin is good & cheap to shoot.

XVIga_Rob
08-27-2013, 8:18 PM
Both my bolt guns are Brownings & love them!!
I'm at a lodge in Maine as I type. Took my 1st bear yesterday (opening day) with my A-bolt .30-06. It put the smack down on that bear!

DennisCA
08-27-2013, 8:22 PM
Hey guys,

I never really even considered a bolt gun before so i dont know much.. I have a few ARs/AKs.. and lately I ve kinda been getting more interested in bolt guns. What do you guy recommend for a good first bolt gun? So far the only two rifles I ve really read about are the remington 700 and mossberg MVP? Any suggestions?

First - what is your budget?

Second - what will you be using it for?

mr2thomas
08-27-2013, 8:25 PM
I'd definitely get a 700. If you cant necessarily afford it now, get a Mosin Nagant and save up for a 700 so you dont be reckless haha.

Plus, the Mosin will go nicely with your AKs and both guns are great in which thye have alot of history. Plus, they are less than 200 bucks after all the paperwork and the ammo is cheap and strong.

G-Man WC
08-27-2013, 8:38 PM
Milsups. You"ll love it. It's away of life. Mosin, Enfield, 1903. All great starter bolts.
I was trying to thin the heard and picked up two over the weekend. It a good sickness. -g

axhoaxho
08-27-2013, 10:09 PM
OP, if you already have a few AR's, try to take a look of the Mossberg MVP series. They are 5.56/.223 bolt action rifles which take standard AR magazines -- can save a few bucks on existing ammos and magazines from your ARs.

Reasonable price, and nice crisp trigger especially for the price. Shoots straight out of the box, and lots of fun for a first bolt-action rifle.

And yes, one can get a plain version with iron sight... Or can go nutz with scope, bipod, and a 100r AR drum (out of state, or legally owns one, of course :))

http://www.bluesheepdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Mossberg-MVP-600x122.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/ATCDoctor/2012-05-11/006.jpg

smittty
08-27-2013, 10:20 PM
I recommended a Savage 22 LR but I guess that only makes sense if you have ammo to enjoy it. Sadly I still don't see it on the shelves!

If you have an AR15 then you probably have some ammo for it therefore my 2nd recommendation is for a 223/556 rifle such as the MVP.

The ammo situation still looks pretty bad.

Good luck,

osis32
08-27-2013, 10:23 PM
I'm amazed no one said tikka. I like the win 70 myself but the Remington 700 is endlessly accessorizable. All these suggestions have been good so far. I just picked up a savage .22 btvs myself

Nrai2020
08-28-2013, 12:44 AM
Remington 700 vs MVP.. Which is the more accurate shooter?

milotrain
08-28-2013, 8:48 AM
I really like the feel of the Tikka T3 action. Also very accurate by all accounts. It cocks on the upstroke of the bolt lever so once the bolt is open closing it and latching it down is spring assisted. Feels trick. But I bought a 700 because of all the things you can do to it.

smittty
08-28-2013, 8:57 AM
Remington 700 vs MVP.. Which is the more accurate shooter?

Out of the box and dollar for dollar it's the MVP.

smak28
08-28-2013, 9:06 AM
Remington 700. If there's a smaller budget, take a look at Tikka as a first lower cost bolt gun. However, I would go straight to a Remington

TMB 1
08-28-2013, 12:40 PM
Remington 700 vs MVP.. Which is the more accurate shooter?

If you're talking 223 flip a coin on accuracy. I think I would go with price & features I like about one over the other.

Nrai2020
08-28-2013, 1:06 PM
If you're talking 223 flip a coin on accuracy. I think I would go with price & features I like about one over the other.

Yes I think I would want it in .223, .308 is just too expensive for me to shoot often. I do like that the MVP takes pmags but seems that the 700 has been around forever?

jetman624
08-28-2013, 1:28 PM
If cost is a factor, you should really consider the target distance available at your local range, and then consider if you are not better off sticking with a .22LR. I can't reload my cheapest .223 round for what I can get decent .22LR for...

I think a lot of people skip the .22LR because they perceive it as a weenie round (I know I used to), but they are very fun to shoot, and you still can't beet the cost of ammo... My closest ranges are 50-100 meters, and trigger time is trigger time-- no need to shoot more expensive stuff than I need to at those distances...

whipkiller
08-28-2013, 2:10 PM
If cost is a factor, you should really consider the target distance available at your local range, and then consider if you are not better off sticking with a .22LR. I can't reload my cheapest .223 round for what I can get decent .22LR for...

I think a lot of people skip the .22LR because they perceive it as a weenie round (I know I used to), but they are very fun to shoot, and you still can't beet the cost of ammo... My closest ranges are 50-100 meters, and trigger time is trigger time-- no need to shoot more expensive stuff than I need to at those distances...

I agree, given current ammo price and availability, I sometimes start to feel guilty about shooting as much as I'd like to, but not so much shooting .22lr.

My first bolt gun just finshed it's 10 day stretch and is awaiting a ride home...

Marlin XT-22, hope to get the Nikon Prostaff Rimfire mounted, and brave the 90º+ humid weather to go dial it in this weekend on BLM.

I figure .22 @ 100-200 yards will be good affordable training to dope wind and calculate drop, etc, and then go buy it a big brother bolt gun to shoot a larger (more expensive) caliber to shoot @ longer distances.

I also just bought a 15-22. Woo hoo.

ExtremeX
08-28-2013, 3:48 PM
Savage Mark II TRR is a really fun bolt action .22LR, but I have a harder time sourcing .22LR match than I do plinking ammo if I want to get serious with it. Also the rifle isn’t that much cheaper than a 700, Tikka, or Savage.

For a .223 bolt action, my first choice is a Remington 700, pretty happy with them out of the box. Also like the vast after market and the fact there are no shortages of gun smiths willing to work on them.

Tikka T3 Lite if you want more of a hunting rifle. For the price, amazing. Action is butter smooth and excellent factory barrel.

Savage seems like a contender as well, but I’ve never shot one.

I have a hard time taking the Mossberg MVP seriously, but that might change once I get a chance to get some rounds down range with it. You mentioned PMAGs OP… might want to do some research on that. They seem to prefer USGI mags.

TMB 1
08-28-2013, 5:10 PM
Yes I think I would want it in .223, .308 is just too expensive for me to shoot often. I do like that the MVP takes pmags but seems that the 700 has been around forever?

Well two pluses for the MVP would be AR mags & 5.56 NATO chamber so you could shoot both it & 223. I'm not sure what chamber the Remington 700 comes with or how it would handle 5.56 ammo.

Loopwell
08-28-2013, 5:17 PM
If you've got a decent budget, take a look at:

-Remington 700
-Winchester 70

Good rule of thumb: Your glass should cost about as much as your rifle.

Those two models are great choices.

However, I can differ on the glass. Nikon Scopes are really clear, reliable, and long lasting, just half the cost of a comparable Leupold.

Nrai2020
08-29-2013, 10:28 PM
I recommended a Savage 22 LR but I guess that only makes sense if you have ammo to enjoy it. Sadly I still don't see it on the shelves!

If you have an AR15 then you probably have some ammo for it therefore my 2nd recommendation is for a 223/556 rifle such as the MVP.

The ammo situation still looks pretty bad.

Good luck,

I saw a ton of savage 22LRs at the DICKS by my house a few weeks ago..?

Nrai2020
08-29-2013, 10:33 PM
I handled an MVP patrol today.. it seemed decent. It wasnt as nice as the ruger scout right next to it... now that was a nice rifle!!! I m tempted to go back tommorow and get the MVP though... what do you guys think? It was $579.. is that a reasonable price for a rifle such as the MVP?

I would go for the scout but I just dont think I could get it out and shoot much with .308 prices lately. What was the price of .308 pre panic??

NorCalFocus
08-29-2013, 10:45 PM
All large rifle ammo off the shelf is $1.00 per round. Pre panic maybe, $0.75 a round.

The MVP is a great gun and thats an average price for it. The MVP would be great for target shooting out to 500 yards, and varmint hunting. However a 308 gives you so much more options though. You can load down to 110g bullets for plinking and varmints all the way up to 180g for long distance and large game hunting.

The 308 really gives you so much more if your only going to have one bolt gun IMHO.

NorCalFocus
08-29-2013, 10:45 PM
All large rifle ammo off the shelf is $1.00 per round. Pre panic maybe, $0.75 a round.

The MVP is a great gun and thats an average price for it. The MVP would be great for target shooting out to 500 yards, and varmint hunting. However a 308 gives you so much more options though. You can load down to 110g bullets for plinking and varmints all the way up to 180g for long distance and large game hunting.

The 308 really gives you so much more if your only going to have one bolt gun IMHO.

Nrai2020
08-29-2013, 10:47 PM
I kinda like the look of the predator... longer barrel, still accept AR mags.. have you guys seen any mossberg predators around the SoCal area?

Was at riflegear yesterday in LA... they had a few if anyone is interested?

ar15barrels
08-29-2013, 10:56 PM
Well two pluses for the MVP would be AR mags & 5.56 NATO chamber so you could shoot both it & 223. I'm not sure what chamber the Remington 700 comes with or how it would handle 5.56 ammo.

A 5.56 chamber in a bolt gun is a huge minus in my book.
5.56 chambers are horrible if you are looking for accuracy.
They are great in a semi-auto blaster where you are more concerned with function than with accuracy though...

NorCalFocus
08-29-2013, 10:57 PM
I just want to point out that while its cool the Predator and MVP takes the AR mags, its a bolt action gun. You should be using way less ammo vs what your used to in a AR.

Going back and reading through this thread, I have to say get a Rem 700 or a Savage and enjoy. I feel your options will be open vs what the Mossbergs will.

ar15barrels
08-29-2013, 11:01 PM
I just want to point out that while its cool the Predator and MVP takes the AR mags, its a bolt action gun. You should be using way less ammo vs what your used to in a AR.

20rd and 30rd mags hang down so far that you have to shoot from really poor positions to use those mags.
Your best bet would be to get a bunch of 8rd colt mags that are short.

TMB 1
08-29-2013, 11:16 PM
I kinda like the look of the predator... longer barrel, still accept AR mags.. have you guys seen any mossberg predators around the SoCal area?

I'm not in SoCal but I was just looking at one in Big 5 today in Nor Cal.

TMB 1
08-29-2013, 11:28 PM
A 5.56 chamber in a bolt gun is a huge minus in my book.
5.56 chambers are horrible if you are looking for accuracy.
They are great in a semi-auto blaster where you are more concerned with function than with accuracy though...

It's a plus if you want to shoot 5.56 isn't it? That why I said I don't know how a 223 chamber would handle 5.56 ammo. I think the 5.56 chambers accuracy would be fine with cheap ammo. You can hand load and just neck size to improve accuracy in a bolt action.

ar15barrels
08-30-2013, 1:00 AM
It's a plus if you want to shoot 5.56 isn't it?

Not really.
There is not really any "accurate" 5.56 ammo.
Why shoot a bolt gun if its not going to be accurate?
You can just shoot an AR that's not accurate...

Nrai2020
08-30-2013, 1:25 AM
20rd and 30rd mags hang down so far that you have to shoot from really poor positions to use those mags.
Your best bet would be to get a bunch of 8rd colt mags that are short.

20 round mags arent really that large IMO? 30 yea that would be too long.. but 20 I think would work?

ar15barrels
08-30-2013, 1:50 AM
20 round mags arent really that large IMO? 30 yea that would be too long.. but 20 I think would work?

Don't take my word for it.
Go find out yourself.
I'll be happy to tell you later that I told you so...

Full Clip
08-30-2013, 5:02 AM
Just got a Savage M11 (http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/11HOGHUNTER).
I'm covered on hunting rifles but also wanted a .223 plinker and this seemed to fit the bill for me, though the MVP Patrol is interesting (says the guy with 10-rounds mags in his pocket).

shoebox56
08-30-2013, 5:26 AM
One thing rarely mentioned about the Savage 10/110 (etc) is that they don't require a gunsmith to change barrels. The Accutrigger is also understated. There's also a scout line of Savage rifles in 308 and 7.62.x39. Savage seem to have a plethora of bolt action models.

TMB 1
08-30-2013, 7:59 AM
Not really.
There is not really any "accurate" 5.56 ammo.
Why shoot a bolt gun if its not going to be accurate?
You can just shoot an AR that's not accurate...

LOL Ok. So you're saying a bolt action isn't going to be anymore accurate than an AR if it has a 5.56 chamber.

TMB 1
08-30-2013, 8:17 AM
One thing rarely mentioned about the Savage 10/110 (etc) is that they don't require a gunsmith to change barrels. The Accutrigger is also understated. There's also a scout line of Savage rifles in 308 and 7.62.x39. Savage seem to have a plethora of bolt action models.

I have an older Savage 110 in 7mm Mag. Accuracy is impressive. The trigger is excellent. Savage must have came up with the accutrigger do to liability reasons.

NorCalFocus
08-30-2013, 8:41 AM
LOL Ok. So you're saying a bolt action isn't going to be anymore accurate than an AR if it has a 5.56 chamber.

Given the choice, .223 will be way more accurate than 5.56 in a bolt gun. Again the point is if you're buying a bolt rifle you want to be the most accurate you can be. If you want to shoot 5.56 buy an AR.

TMB 1
08-30-2013, 9:56 AM
Given the choice, .223 will be way more accurate than 5.56 in a bolt gun. Again the point is if you're buying a bolt rifle you want to be the most accurate you can be. If you want to shoot 5.56 buy an AR.

What if you already have an AR but you want a bolt action that will shoot any ammo you have.

NorCalFocus
08-30-2013, 1:05 PM
What if you already have an AR but you want a bolt action that will shoot any ammo you have.

Then invest in more ammo for the AR.

You really don't get the point we're trying make about the difference between a bolt gun and a semi auto do you.

XVIga_Rob
08-30-2013, 1:17 PM
What if you already have an AR but you want a bolt action that will shoot any ammo you have.

Just used my brother inlaw's Weatherby .223 bolt gun for some coyote hunting. I'd recommend it!

TMB 1
08-30-2013, 1:49 PM
Then invest in more ammo for the AR.

You really don't get the point we're trying make about the difference between a bolt gun and a semi auto do you.

No I guess not. I do know you can neck size your brass for a bolt action to improve accuracy without affecting function though. Can you do that with a semi auto. I think it would be nice to have a bolt action that could shoot any ammo I have and still be able to turn it into a tack driver.

russ69
08-30-2013, 2:07 PM
Given the choice, .223 will be way more accurate than 5.56 in a bolt gun. Again the point is if you're buying a bolt rifle you want to be the most accurate you can be. If you want to shoot 5.56 buy an AR.

All bench rest guns are bolt action but that doesn't mean that a good AR15 is not accurate. The National Matches haven't been won with a bolt gun in quite a few years IIRC. A good AR will shoot very good groups.

NorCalFocus
08-30-2013, 3:31 PM
All bench rest guns are bolt action but that doesn't mean that a good AR15 is not accurate. The National Matches haven't been won with a bolt gun in quite a few years IIRC. A good AR will shoot very good groups.

No doubt that an AR will out shoot most shooters and will produce sub MOA groups. However, my point is that if you want to build a highly accurate bolt gun, why would you build it based on a ammo that isn't the most accurate.

Again this is just my opinion and isn't worth the paper to print it on.

Gem1950
08-30-2013, 9:31 PM
No doubt that an AR will out shoot most shooters and will produce sub MOA groups. However, my point is that if you want to build a highly accurate bolt gun, why would you build it based on a ammo that isn't the most accurate.

Again this is just my opinion and isn't worth the paper to print it on.

^^^ I resemble that remark!
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Nrai2020
08-31-2013, 3:29 AM
What about the ruger scout?

Nrai2020
08-31-2013, 2:00 PM
Would you guys ever use wolf .308 in your bolt guns? seems like its the only cheap .308 out there right now?

Divernhunter
08-31-2013, 2:13 PM
No but I reload and have plenty of supplies stored up from long ago.

vliberatore
08-31-2013, 2:20 PM
Would you guys ever use wolf .308 in your bolt guns? seems like its the only cheap .308 out there right now?

Define cheap? PMC bronze can be had for under $1/round

anthem
08-31-2013, 2:29 PM
I have a Savage BSEV in jail. I pick it up next week....

Requiem
08-31-2013, 2:37 PM
Remington 700 or Savage 10FP. I have one of those in the marketplace ;)

Merc1138
08-31-2013, 3:28 PM
Would you guys ever use wolf .308 in your bolt guns? seems like its the only cheap .308 out there right now?

Hell no, and go take a look at gunbot.net there is plenty of sub $1 ammo if all you're looking for is cheap ammo.

axhoaxho
08-31-2013, 5:10 PM
I almost forget the little mighty .17 HMR :)

I always want a Savage 93. My friend has one, and it is so much fun to shoot. Ammos can be tough to find nowadays, though.

TMB 1
08-31-2013, 5:28 PM
The Mosin shoots cheap steel case ammo pretty darn good but they may be built better.

Nrai2020
08-31-2013, 5:38 PM
Define cheap? PMC bronze can be had for under $1/round

Sorry I meant cheap Russian steel cased ammo.. Wolf, Tula, bear..

ExtremeX
08-31-2013, 5:40 PM
Would you guys ever use wolf .308 in your bolt guns? seems like its the only cheap .308 out there right now?

I don't, not sure why you would want to. If that's the plan I don't see the point of buying a bolt action.

Match ammo only for me. You want cheaper cost hand load and get the potential of making the best ammo for your rifle.

jetman624
08-31-2013, 5:56 PM
Would you guys ever use wolf .308 in your bolt guns? seems like its the only cheap .308 out there right now?

Here you are, fretting about the cost of ammo... 22LR, dude. You can get an inexpensive rifle, put a nice scope on it, and once you get tired of hitting tennis ball size targets at 200 yards, THEN you can step up and get yourself a bigger gun. And if you plan it right, you can use the same scope AND rings.

You cannot go wrong having a 22lr in the stable...

jetman624
08-31-2013, 5:58 PM
I don't, not sure why you would want to. If that's the plan I don't see the point of buying a bolt action.

Match ammo only for me. You want cheaper cost hand load and get the potential of making the best ammo for your rifle.

Good point-- no need in bothering with a precision rifle just to go and shoot crappy ammo through it...

TMB 1
08-31-2013, 6:18 PM
Is the Ruger scout some kind of precision bench rifle LOL.

TMB 1
08-31-2013, 6:34 PM
Last year a 22lr was a good cheap option to shoot a lot. This year not so good If you have work & can't campout in the ammo line. Can't buy what's not there.

Merc1138
08-31-2013, 7:05 PM
Last year a 22lr was a good cheap option to shoot a lot. This year not so good If you have work & can't campout in the ammo line. Can't buy what's not there.

Buy online and stop wasting gas money driving to the local stores(unless you're in one of the cities where no one ships you ammo, if so that really sucks).

TMB 1
08-31-2013, 7:28 PM
Buy online and stop wasting gas money driving to the local stores(unless you're in one of the cities where no one ships you ammo, if so that really sucks).

Thanks for the tip but I have lots of 22lr. I was just telling what I've seen. I live in a city that I could have ammo shipped to but its kind of the same thing. Would have to campout on the computer checking ammo sites every 1 minute then be able to type fast to get it before it's sold out from what I've seen. Maybe next year it would be a good recommendation but this year I would say 22s are great If you can find cheap ammo.

jetman624
08-31-2013, 8:53 PM
Thanks for the tip but I have lots of 22lr. I was just telling what I've seen. I live in a city that I could have ammo shipped to but its kind of the same thing. Would have to campout on the computer checking ammo sites every 1 minute then be able to type fast to get it before it's sold out from what I've seen. Maybe next year it would be a good recommendation but this year I would say 22s are great If you can find cheap ammo.

I have had ZERO problem finding cheap 22lr online. And it is still half the cost of what my cheapest .223 costs me to reload.

TMB 1
08-31-2013, 9:00 PM
I have had ZERO problem finding cheap 22lr online. And it is still half the cost of what my cheapest .223 costs me to reload.

You have a link? Thanks

Merc1138
08-31-2013, 9:05 PM
Thanks for the tip but I have lots of 22lr. I was just telling what I've seen. I live in a city that I could have ammo shipped to but its kind of the same thing. Would have to campout on the computer checking ammo sites every 1 minute then be able to type fast to get it before it's sold out from what I've seen. Maybe next year it would be a good recommendation but this year I would say 22s are great If you can find cheap ammo.

1. You don't have to camp at the computer(do you not have a phone or something?).
2. Make your accounts with shipping/purchase info on the websites in advance.
3. If you're anywhere near a computer, set alerts on gunbot, turn the speakers up, and walk away. When you hear a beep, go back to the computer and check.

If you don't even try to find decent deals on ammo without camping out, you'll never get any.

TMB 1
08-31-2013, 9:42 PM
1. You don't have to camp at the computer(do you not have a phone or something?).
2. Make your accounts with shipping/purchase info on the websites in advance.
3. If you're anywhere near a computer, set alerts on gunbot, turn the speakers up, and walk away. When you hear a beep, go back to the computer and check.

If you don't even try to find decent deals on ammo without camping out, you'll never get any.

Yes I have a phone are you saying they'll call me assuming I'm some place that there's service? I didn't Know about gunbot but I just checked it out lots instock but no deals that I saw.

Merc1138
08-31-2013, 9:54 PM
Yes I have a phone are you saying they'll call me assuming I'm some place that there's service? I didn't Know about gunbot but I just checked it out lots instock but no deals that I saw.

Welcome to the year 2013, where you can browse the internet from your cellphone and place orders for goods online using websites without needing to be anywhere near a computer.

Also, if you opened gunbot.net and then closed the window after looking up current prices, then you failed to do what I actually said.

Set alerts, turn the speaker volume up, wait for the beep(the alert noise) and go purchase. Things come and go, gunbot updates every minute or so. I gave you a website to make an account on and explained how to use it to get deals quickly while watching TV, reading a book, or anything else away from the computer(well, as long as you're in the vicinity of one that you can crank the volume up on) and also happens to be a place to check while you're out and about and can spare a few seconds of your time. I really can't do much more than that unless you want to pay someone to do it for you(which kinda defeats the point of deals in the first place).

TMB 1
08-31-2013, 10:24 PM
Welcome to the year 2013, where you can browse the internet from your cellphone and place orders for goods online using websites without needing to be anywhere near a computer.

Also, if you opened gunbot.net and then closed the window after looking up current prices, then you failed to do what I actually said.

Set alerts, turn the speaker volume up, wait for the beep(the alert noise) and go purchase. Things come and go, gunbot updates every minute or so. I gave you a website to make an account on and explained how to use it to get deals quickly while watching TV, reading a book, or anything else away from the computer(well, as long as you're in the vicinity of one that you can crank the volume up on) and also happens to be a place to check while you're out and about and can spare a few seconds of your time. I really can't do much more than that unless you want to pay someone to do it for you(which kinda defeats the point of deals in the first place).

LOL about 2013. The only problem for me is they haven't invented the cell phone that works without signal none where I work & it doesn't matter which cell company. Maybe If I climbed a tall fir or pine tree I'd get signal but I wouldn't get any work done. Lucky for me I have lots of ammo that hopefully last me until things return to normal. Thanks for the tips if it doesn't.

TMB 1
09-02-2013, 9:25 AM
Hey guys,

I never really even considered a bolt gun before so i dont know much.. I have a few ARs/AKs.. and lately I ve kinda been getting more interested in bolt guns. What do you guy recommend for a good first bolt gun? So far the only two rifles I ve really read about are the remington 700 and mossberg MVP? Any suggestions?

If you don't mind used another cheap to shoot very accurate center fire bolt action is the Savage 340 in 30-30 or 222 Remington.

Mossy Man
09-02-2013, 1:46 PM
Mosin :D

dawt

russ69
09-04-2013, 7:58 PM
...However, my point is that if you want to build a highly accurate bolt gun, why would you build it based on a ammo that isn't the most accurate. Again this is just my opinion and isn't worth the paper to print it on.

You might find it surprising but Sierra Bullets does their 22 cal accuracy testing with the 223 REM. They also use the AR-15 extensively for their match bullet testing.

AlliedArmory
09-06-2013, 6:00 PM
What is the budget?

My 1st bolt gun was a 700 SPS Varmint in 308.

My 2nd was a Tikka T3 in 308.

The Tikka T3 is such a ringer out of the box. With FGMM 168gr was getting consistent 1/2 moa on a stock rifle!

infringed711
09-06-2013, 6:33 PM
http://imageshack.us/a/img268/2226/nyvj.jpg

Cz 550 fs in 6.5x55