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Falstaff
08-23-2013, 11:47 AM
Im looking at a rem700 in 300 WM, one is a Stainless SPS for about 600 and the other is a stainless 5r at 1200. Is the 5r barrel (and better stock) the only difference between the two?

Cypriss32
08-23-2013, 11:48 AM
You cant compare the sporter hunting rifle to a heavy barrel. IMHO if you dont want to build and wait for parts buy the 5R. They are always good rifles.

Xtracrispy
08-23-2013, 12:15 PM
When i bought my .308 I was debating between an sps tactical (heavy barrel), police ltr, and the 5r stainless. I opted for the sps tac under the idea that it would be more accurate than I would be for a while. I can upgrade the stock whenever I feel the need, and eventually have it rebarreled down the road with something possibly even better than the stock 5r barrel.

That's my $0.02 only and not an expert opinion :)

Exodus343
08-23-2013, 12:22 PM
depends on what you want to do with it

one is a sporting rifle another is a heavy barrel for hard use

5r rifling is more expensive and is more accurate
and the 5r rifles come with Hs precision stocks, which is much better than Remington's factory POS

postal
08-23-2013, 1:32 PM
Consider a premium Bartlein barrel costs $350....

You can get the cheapest 700 you can find, a bartlein barrel and a find the cheaper stock of your choice for about the same price as the 5r. Look for a used stock- people get rid of them all the time when they buy an AI/mcree/whatever.

ExtremeX
08-23-2013, 1:33 PM
Just for the sake of comparison I am going to pretend you said SPS Tactical or SPS Varmint… The SPS (SPS Stainless) has a different application with its barrel profile vs the heavy barrel on the Tactical and Varmint.

If you like the HS Precision stock that came with the 5R and don’t want to make any changes out of the box it’s an excellent option.

Personally I like the barreled action, but don’t care much for the stock that comes on the 5R. I think the biggest perks that appeal to me is I like stainless steel and that holds value to me, and I like the 11.25 twist rate over the 1:12 and 1:10 found across the R700 line in 308… not sure about the 300WM and what is better.

That said, I still ended up with an SPS Tactical and a chassis of my choice. Cost me a little more, but I ended up with something really nice that exceeded my expectations as to what a factory barreled action could do.

I would have probably saved money in the long run if I was happy with the 5R package and had no intention of spending money on it.

bombadillo
08-23-2013, 1:35 PM
I sure like my 5R. I'm glad I did it with all the little things the 5R has. IMO, smoother bolt, better stock, better general fit and finish, and shot a .4" group on day one with FGMM out of the box. I couldn't ask for much better from a factory gun.

bombadillo
08-23-2013, 1:37 PM
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130523_211629_zps8c7b35f0.jpg

If its any incentive, pics are always fun to look at.

LynnJr
08-23-2013, 5:29 PM
You are paying $600 more and still only getting a factory barrel.

I would buy the $600 gun and either a new Bartlein or ask a longrange Benchrest shooter for a shot out barrel and have it cut down.

The longrange crowd is using 28-34 inch barrels and swapping them at 1200 rounds or less.

You can have your gunsmith cut off the chamber and a couple inches from the crown and end up with a very accurate 26 inch barrel that will outshoot anything the factory has to offer.

Maltese Falcon
08-23-2013, 5:36 PM
If its any incentive, pics are always fun to look at.


Me too :D

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=259842&d=1377308169

russ69
08-23-2013, 5:49 PM
Get the cheaper of the two. In 300WM, you'll be wanting to switch to a different caliber pretty quick. What exactly are you using a 300 WM for?

Cypriss32
08-23-2013, 5:53 PM
Get the cheaper of the two. In 300WM, you'll be wanting to switch to a different caliber pretty quick?

Why so Mr Russ? Put a FTE on it. You would be shocked at the recoil reduction. Even with 220s it is not bad. I love 300win. But don't shoot one like my other rifles.

ar15barrels
08-23-2013, 7:17 PM
Im looking at a rem700 in 300 WM, one is a Stainless SPS for about 600 and the other is a stainless 5r at 1200. Is the 5r barrel (and better stock) the only difference between the two?

Stainless vs. Chromoly action $200 upgrade.
HS stock vs. flexy flyer stock $300 upgrade.
5R barrel vs. standard barrel $100 upgrade.

Seems like the 5r is the better deal...

ExtremeX
08-23-2013, 7:27 PM
Do you find the fit and finish of the stainless action better than the standard chromoly?

Or can those also benefit from some time in your shop?

LynnJr
08-24-2013, 8:26 AM
ExtremeX
The fit and finish on all 700's are about the same.You will find some smoother than others but they all need truing up and most of the factory stocks are junk.I have several of the 700 PSS in 223,308 and on not one of them did the H-S Precision stock fit as they came from the factory.
The bolt handle on 85% of them hits the stock causing it to fly around when you pull the trigger.
I have a bad hand and don't care too much for the palm swell but all in all a decent stock if you have the right front bag.
You can turn a 700 into a real tackdriver easily with all the aftermarket products available today.
I can't see anyone spending $1200 on a factory 700 Remington but I don't mind sending them out for proper gunsmithing.Most shooters like to take them out of the box and shoot them unchanged and are happy with that kind of accuracy.
I had Speedy Gonzales in Texas build me a 300 Ackley 1000 yard bench gun using a 700 Remington and have included a picture of what can be done to a 700.
http://www.dragoman.4t.com/images/028_25a.jpg
Barrel is 36 inches long 1.750 inches at the muzzle.The action is sleeved in a Jon Loh aluminum sleeve.The gun is also barrel blocked in my own 9 inch block so the 27 pound barrel doesn't bend the action or ruin the bedding.The bolt has a 0.062 firing pin and is double sleeved so no slop at all.Jewell 2 ounce trigger.Fluted bolt shroud.BAT straight bolt handle.Shehane max-heavy 1000 yard stock with 5 inch forearm clearcoated with blue pearl by Kavanaugh.The 36 power Leupold was put on it just to take pictures.It had a 12-42 Nightforce on it until I sold it.

CobraRed
08-24-2013, 11:55 AM
Heat treated 17-4ph which is the the 5r is made from is a damn fine alloy. Not only is it stronger and can put up with irresponsible levels of power/loads, the material is truely bulletproof and would likely take a direct shot to the action from an sps and keep on cycling just fine. Believe me, iv shot the stuff before.

Sheepdog1968
08-24-2013, 12:05 PM
Stainless vs. Chromoly action $200 upgrade.
HS stock vs. flexy flyer stock $300 upgrade.
5R barrel vs. standard barrel $100 upgrade.

Seems like the 5r is the better deal...

In general, I have almost always found it costs more to buy the cheaper then upgrade. Get the more expensive one. It will cost less in the long run. You have a true 1000 yard rifle. I regret going with 308.

monk
08-24-2013, 12:05 PM
I went with the sps aac. Personally I would rather slowly build up the rifle to my liking.

russ69
08-24-2013, 6:09 PM
Why so Mr Russ? Put a FTE on it. You would be shocked at the recoil reduction. Even with 220s it is not bad. I love 300win. But don't shoot one like my other rifles.

Let's get one thing straight. I'm a big ole pansy boy and I'm skeered of the big boomers. Well that and the fact that the big boomers aren't used in target shooting anymore but probably because I'm a wussy girl. Is that clear enough?