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rangerT
10-19-2005, 4:26 PM
if there are no children in my home do i have to have any firearm locked up?

bwiese
10-19-2005, 4:55 PM
As long as your house is not youth-accessible (i.e., no kids there) you're OK.
Kids breaking in & burglarizing doesn't count.

Let PD know about the situation. They don't like false reports.


Bill W
San Jose

rangerT
10-19-2005, 5:16 PM
thank you for the help

sparrow
10-19-2005, 7:41 PM
if i remember correctly all gun owners are suppost to have ethier a safe or trigger lock of some kind reguardless of children in the home. i think you can also be charged for a crime if a felon or minor gains access to them through a buglary due to not being stored properly. if not it's still agood idea to keep them locked up anyway, because if it's used in a crime it can also leave you with the possibility of a civil trial and law suit and just having your gun stolen is always a bad thing.

socalguns
10-20-2005, 1:50 AM
Not exactly.
Basically, if guns on your property which weren't securely stored
and fall in the hands of kids, you'll probably get in trouble.

California Penal Code 12035 12036 12071

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12020.htm
12035. (a) As used in this section, the following definitions apply:
(1) "Locking device" means a device that is designed to prevent the firearm from functioning and when applied to the firearm, renders the firearm inoperable.
(2) "Loaded firearm" has the same meaning as set forth in subdivision (g) of Section 12031.
(3) "Child" means a person under 18 years of age.
(4) "Great bodily injury" has the same meaning as set forth in Section 12022.7.
(5) "Locked container" has the same meaning as set forth in subdivision (d) of Section 12026.2.
(b)(1) Except as provided in subdivision (c), a person commits the crime of "criminal storage of a firearm of the first degree" if he or she keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and the child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes death or great bodily injury to himself, herself, or any other person.
(2) Except as provided in subdivision (c), a person commits the crime of "criminal storage of a firearm of the second degree" if he or she keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and the child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes injury, other than great bodily injury, to himself, herself, or any other person, or carries the firearm either to a public place or in violation of Section 417.
(c) Subdivision (b) shall not apply whenever any of the following occurs:
(1) The child obtains the firearm as a result of an illegal entry to any premises by any person.
(2) The firearm is kept in a locked container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure.
(3) The firearm is carried on the person or within such a close proximity thereto so that the individual can readily retrieve and use the firearm as if carried on the person.
(4) The firearm is locked with a locking device that has rendered the firearm inoperable.
(5) The person is a peace officer or a member of the Armed Forces or National Guard and the child obtains the firearm during, or incidental to, the performance of the person's duties.
(6) The child obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense or defense of another person, or persons.
(7) The person who keeps a loaded firearm on any premise that is under his or her custody or control has no reasonable expectation, based on objective facts and circumstances, that a child is likely to be present on the premises.
(d) Criminal storage of a firearm is punishable as follows:
(1) Criminal storage of a firearm in the first degree, by imprisonment in the state prison for 16 months, or two or three years, by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine; or by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.
(2) Criminal storage of a firearm in the second degree, by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
(e) If the person who allegedly violated this section is the parent or guardian of a child who is injured or who dies as the result of an accidental shooting, the district attorney shall consider, among other factors, the impact of the injury or death on the person alleged to have violated this section when deciding whether to prosecute an alleged violation. It is the Legislature's intent that a parent or guardian of a child who is injured or who dies as the result of an accidental shooting shall be prosecuted only in those instances in which the parent or guardian behaved in a grossly negligent manner or where similarly egregious circumstances exist. This subdivision shall not otherwise restrict, in any manner, the factors that a district attorney may consider when deciding whether to prosecute alleged violations of this section.
(f) If the person who allegedly violated this section is the parent or guardian of a child who is injured or who dies as the result of an accidental shooting, no arrest of the person for the alleged violation of this section shall occur until at least seven days after the date upon which the accidental shooting occurred.
In addition to the limitation contained in this subdivision, a law enforcement officer shall consider the health status of a child who suffers great bodily injury as the result of an accidental shooting prior to arresting a person for a violation of this section, if the person to be arrested is the parent or guardian of the injured child. The intent of this subdivision is to encourage law enforcement officials to delay the arrest of a parent or guardian of a seriously injured child while the child remains on life-support equipment or is in a similarly critical medical condition.
(g)(1) The fact that the person who allegedly violated this section attended a firearm safety training course prior to the purchase of the firearm that is obtained by a child in violation of this section shall be considered a mitigating factor by a district attorney when he or she is deciding whether to prosecute the alleged violation.
(2) In any action or trial commenced under this section, the fact that the person who allegedly violated this section attended a firearm safety training course prior to the purchase of the firearm that is obtained by a child in violation of this section, shall be admissible.
(h) Every person licensed under Section 12071 shall post within the licensed premises the notice required by paragraph (7) of subdivision (b) of that section, disclosing the duty imposed by this section upon any person who keeps a loaded firearm.
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rkt88edmo
10-20-2005, 9:08 AM
12035. (c) Subdivision (b) shall not apply whenever any of the following occurs: (7) The person who keeps a loaded firearm on any premise that is under his or her custody or control has no reasonable expectation, based on objective facts and circumstances, that a child is likely to be present on the premises.

If you don't let kids inside your residence, then why would there be a problem?

magsnubby
10-20-2005, 6:29 PM
It's just common sense to keep any firearm that's not under your immediate supervision locked up. Even without kids in the home you still have to worry about burglars.

Although the laws states you are exempt from prosecution if "The child obtains the firearm as a result of an illegal entry to any premises by any person" doesn't mean you won't be sued if some kid is showing off your freshly stolen gun to another minor and shoots and kills him.

This is California, land of the frivolous lawsuit.

capitol
10-20-2005, 7:49 PM
Although the laws states you are exempt from prosecution if "The child obtains the firearm as a result of an illegal entry to any premises by any person" doesn't mean you won't be sued if some kid is showing off your freshly stolen gun to another minor and shoots and kills him.


Unbelievable!
How about the child burglar AND the child's parents are put into a jail cell right next to each other :mad:

Magsnubby I hope your not a lawyer and just slept in a Holiday Inn last night.

sparrow
10-20-2005, 9:11 PM
This is California, land of the frivolous lawsuit.

and liberal thinking, to them your guilty for owning the gun in the first place not the child thief. trial lawers love cases like these there so easy to win nowadays

magsnubby
10-20-2005, 9:33 PM
Unbelievable!
How about the child burglar AND the child's parents are put into a jail cell right next to each other :mad:

I have no problen locking the little sob's up. As i stated this is California, land of frivolous lawsuits. And if you think you won't get your @ss sued you're only fooling yourself. It's just plain stupid to leave any gun unsecured that is not under your immediate control. Irresponsible gun owners just screw it up for the rest of us. That's the type of crap the anti's live for.


Magsnubby I hope your not a lawyer and just slept in a Holiday Inn last night.

No i'm not a lawyer and no i don't sleep at the Holiday Inn. I sleep in my own bed with a Glock 23 within reach. That same Glock is always within reach. Along with a Mossberg 12 gauge. But you can damn well bet your *** that when i leave the house, or one of my grandaughters come to visit, that 12 gauge is locked up in my safe along with my other 30 handguns and 5 rifles.

magsnubby
10-20-2005, 9:57 PM
and liberal thinking, to them your guilty for owning the gun in the first place not the child thief. trial lawers love cases like these there so easy to win nowadays

BINGO!!!!!!We have a winner.

jimx
10-22-2005, 6:14 PM
As far as I know, you are only in trouble if a child gets hold of the gun.

Hope this helps until someone cites specifics: Unless they have a search warrant, you don't have to let them in the front door.

Ask them if they have a search warrant.

That was also my understanding. But when that Burbank City Council Woman was busted a couple of months ago one of the charges was that she had a hand gun in an unlocked box in the garage. I do not remember what the charge was but they said it was accessible to her child.
Donít know if this is the norm or they were just dumping on extra charges? Fwiw this council woman is a pos.