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wildcard
12-26-2007, 10:54 PM
And don't tell me to just get both.. because I can't afford to do that :(

Argument for 7mm WSM:
High BC with Berger 180 VLD
Can be used in a short action
Can be used at most matches

Argument for .338 Lapua:
Slightly lower BC but will be launching a 250 - 300 gr. Scenar
Reaches up to a mile

I realize that the cost of shooting the 7mm WSM and .338 Lapua is a ratio of 3 to 2. Not that big of an issue.

I realize that I seldom go beyond 1000 yds (which both can do) but I still want to be able to do it even if I only get access to 1500+ yds a few times a year.

I'd estimate that both will burn out barrels in about 2K rounds.. so not too much difference there.

I think the biggest issue is that a 338 Lapua will be restricted at more matches than the 7mm WSM. I think that's the only thing keeping me from going the .338 Lapua route.

What to do? I want it to be a long range desert shooter as well as a tactical/ precision match rig. The 7mm WSM seems to be the more practical choice.. but I want the fun factor and reach of the .338 Lapua!

Prc329
12-26-2007, 11:03 PM
I remember someone saying the more they read about the 7mm wsm the more they wanted it.

Go with your gut and your first choice.

wildcard
12-26-2007, 11:22 PM
I remember someone saying the more they read about the 7mm wsm the more they wanted it.

Go with your gut and your first choice.

.338 Lapua has been what I've wanted for 1.5 years.. goes a long distance and makes a big boom..

But since I've decided that I like entering matches.. a .338 Lapua would restrict me from some of them..

Next best thing to meet my criteria would be the 7mm WSM.. it's a compromise so it can be used at more matches. The NorCal match is a good example.. nothing over 30 cal.

PistolPete75
12-27-2007, 12:51 AM
i would pick the rifle with less recoil which would be easier to shoot. i don't own either caliber rifles so i don't know which one i would get.

without doing research, i would pick the 338 lupua because it has a better reputation amongst shooters.

i decided to hold off on a 1000+yard capable rifle, cause i really wouldn't have the opportunity to shoot that far. it would be more of a safe queen then anything. plus your gonna have to spend alot of money on a quality scope. s&b 5-25x56 would fit the bill, but it's 28 bills. i personally prefer to shoot 16x out to 900yards. if i was going to shoot let's say 1300yards, i would go at least 20x. it would be such an expensive rifle for me at least if i never got to shoot it more than a few times a year. just my 2 cents.

it seems you would be happier doing a .308, 6.5 grendal, .243, or .260. it would get much more usage than a 7mm or 338 lupua.

my 2 cents.

Cypriss32
12-27-2007, 7:19 AM
Allright lets get some things straight here first:
7WSM, badger mags, wins SH cup, shot by George, jerried, and most top 5 finishers. BC is alittle unde .7 but can be loaded for an short action AICS mag, check out SH forums. Not bad at all to shoot price wise.

338Lapua mag: Can modify an 700mag action, George @ G.A. Precision does this for an affordable rate, (way cheaper then getting an custom action)
338 has .7+ BC bullets, 300MK is like .750?
It also has the knock down power. You willnot be shooting too much of it thow, kick, muzzle blast from the break, and cost!



Im building an 7wsm that takes AICS clips.

I would build an SUPER nice 308win, best of everything first. USO scope, Rock barrel, AICS 2.0, Lawton action, and buy alot of 155gr scenars.
Then build an 7wsm and shoot that. If you are still super motivated for something big, think about the 300win or 300ultra mag, you can shoot 240gr MKS with a .7+ BC and still be affordable. If you dont like that, shoot the 338 Lapua.

rksimple
12-27-2007, 7:48 AM
I would build an SUPER nice 308win, best of everything first. USO scope, Rock barrel, AICS 2.0, Lawton action, and buy alot of 155gr scenars.
Then build an 7wsm and shoot that. If you are still super motivated for something big, think about the 300win or 300ultra mag, you can shoot 240gr MKS with a .7+ BC and still be affordable. If you dont like that, shoot the 338 Lapua.

This is good advice. Get a killer 308 and go from there.

Funny thing is, I've been going over this same question in my mind for a couple weeks now. I've been researching and considering cost, barrel life, weight, engagement distance, etc. of 7wsm vs 338. With the best in the 338 (300gr SMK's) and 180 bergers in the 7wsm, the difference is not too much to 1600 yards. Run JBM on the 338 300gr SMK doing 2850 vs. the 7wsm pushing the berger 180 at 2925. Then run the price difference per thousand rounds. If the slight difference in performance is worth it, go for it. Personally, I can't justify it.

As far as the 30 cals, you have to go bigger than the 300 winmag to make it worth it. The winmag can't sling the 240s fast enough to make it to 1500 yards and beyond without some serious elevation adjustment. It comes in like a mortar.

That said, I'll probably go with a 7wsm in a long action so I never have to worry about seating depth. I'm still not 100% on that decision yet though. But for me the 7wsm gets the nod over the 338. If it were for hunting at long range, the 338 would be better.

If I were to step up to 338, I think I would go a little further and get the 375 or 408. They run circles around the 50's even. But then things get a little expensive.

Vu 308
12-27-2007, 3:56 PM
Forget the WSM...go 7mm Rem Ultra Short Mag.

I have a buddy that shoots one in 1000yard BR and its like the PPC of magnums he says. He launches 180 Bergers pointed up at almost 3K FPS and gets out to 1K fine.

The 7mm RUSM will run off a SA also. I believe his shoots in the .2s and have shot 3" 5 shot groups at 1K before.

338LM if you actually gotta knock down your target. However I would never build one off a Rem Action. Either gotta go Surgeon, AI, or Sako which are all high dollar rigs to start with.

Brass 2.00 a pop. Burning like 90 some odd grain of powder. Bullets cost more. Barrels go faster. But like I said..if you gotta knock the target down..338LM does the job better.

If you want I can get you in touch with the gentleman that has the 7mm RUSM. Timberwolf knows him (Bolo).

Cypriss32
12-27-2007, 4:52 PM
7wsm wins all the time on the mountin, I never seen or heard of an 7RUSM placing. But I do know BOLO and do shoot with him and talk to him ALOT! He says the same thing, George says WSM bolo F Class dude says 7RSUM.... Choices!

Timberwolf
12-27-2007, 5:10 PM
I'd have to go with Vu on this one as I've seen Steve and his rifle - let the 7 WSM sit -

CSACANNONEER
12-27-2007, 5:53 PM
Which one is easier to find brass, projos and load data for?

rksimple
12-27-2007, 7:32 PM
Which one is easier to find brass, projos and load data for?

Probably the WSM (brass). 7mm RM would even be more popular. Isn't the remington short mag the SAUM (short action ultra mag)? Anyway, the 7 SAUM has less case capacity than the WSM but it is a little more efficient. If you can get 3000 out of the SAUM, you can easily get that out of the WSM, all else equal. You'll have to use a little more powder though. Another thing is quality brass. Nosler makes SAUM brass and norma makes WSM brass so its probably not an issue.

As it sits, it doesn't appear clear cut to choose one over the other.

Timberwolf
12-27-2007, 9:24 PM
Ah hell just get a 408 Chey Tac and be done with it. It'll reach out and touch something.

wildcard
12-27-2007, 9:52 PM
I think I'm pretty set on getting the .338 Lapua w/ a Surgeon action and McMillan A5 stock. Yes.. I'm going all out..

Anyone know if there are any "standard" contours with a 1.350 breach? Or can you simply specify AMU or M24 contour w/ a 1.350 breach? What's popular for .338 Lapua? Fluted 1.350 bull barrel? That would be heavy as heck.

I'm thinking I will be going with a 1/10 twist to launch the 300 gr SMK :)

Timberwolf
12-27-2007, 9:59 PM
I have but one question before your embark on your endeavor - have you fired a 338 Lapua in prone? You're not exactly my or Joe's size.

wildcard
12-27-2007, 10:13 PM
I have but one question before your embark on your endeavor - have you fired a 338 Lapua in prone? You're not exactly my or Joe's size.

If it's anything like shooting a 12 gauge slug on the bench w/o a brake.. I can take a few rapid fire shots before I feel punished. If I spread it out.. not too much of a prob.. I like pain :)

Timberwolf
12-27-2007, 10:26 PM
They are not brutal but they do have a thump even with a brake, and the concussion in a comfined space (like the bays at APS) will give you quite a headache - that said I've fired a couple and they aren't bad (but I have a 100 lbs on ya easy and don't find a 375 H&H unpleasant). They are also expensive to feed and you may find them not allowed in alot of matches as alot have 30 cal limits.

All said though go for it, but I still want a 408 Chey Tac.

wildcard
12-27-2007, 11:48 PM
They are not brutal but they do have a thump even with a brake, and the concussion in a comfined space (like the bays at APS) will give you quite a headache - that said I've fired a couple and they aren't bad (but I have a 100 lbs on ya easy and don't find a 375 H&H unpleasant). They are also expensive to feed and you may find them not allowed in alot of matches as alot have 30 cal limits.

All said though go for it, but I still want a 408 Chey Tac.

Not being able to use it at a lot of matches is the #1 pitfall for me. Are they allowed at YOUR matches?! Please?

As for the cost of ammunition/ components.. I ain't rich.. but i'm prepared to "pay to play."

ar15barrels
12-28-2007, 12:52 AM
Not being able to use it at a lot of matches is the #1 pitfall for me. Are they allowed at YOUR matches?! Please?

As for the cost of ammunition/ components.. I ain't rich.. but i'm prepared to "pay to play."

As long as you are keeping a good 308, get the 338 if that's what you really want.
The matches will always be designed around 308's anyways and any match that NEEDS a 338 will certainly allow them.
Get what you want.
Go shoot it in the desert and get good with it. ;)

11Z50
12-28-2007, 4:22 AM
7mm Rem Mag. The best, period.

proraptor
12-28-2007, 8:32 AM
Id go 338 or better yet 416 barrett....I really want a 416 barrett....Ill bet they never release their "secret powder" or load data though for loading your own

Timberwolf
12-28-2007, 8:36 AM
Not being able to use it at a lot of matches is the #1 pitfall for me. Are they allowed at YOUR matches?! Please?

As for the cost of ammunition/ components.. I ain't rich.. but i'm prepared to "pay to play."

That will depend on the type of targets I'm using for the match and at what range. A 338 will dimple the crap out of the steel targets at the ranges we normally shoot ie 100 - 500 yards (especially some of the range's lighter steel, like the maidens, which it'll punch thru)

wildcard
12-28-2007, 8:43 AM
Id go 338 or better yet 416 barrett....I really want a 416 barrett....Ill bet they never release their "secret powder" or load data though for loading your own

Dude.. I can't afford to feed a 416 Barrett. Heck.. I'd be lucky to find the components.

rksimple
12-28-2007, 8:51 AM
Dude.. I can't afford to feed a 416 Barrett. Heck.. I'd be lucky to find the components.

338 isn't that far behind. $200 per 100 cases, $230 per 500 bullets, 90-odd grains of powder...I guess its not as bad as 408.:D

Timberwolf
12-28-2007, 9:03 AM
338 isn't that far behind. $200 per 100 cases, $230 per 500 bullets, 90-odd grains of powder...I guess its not as bad as 408.:D

If you've got the $$ to afford the Chey Tac system the custom ammo isn't a worry either - I wonder if my wife would understand if I took out a 2nd mtg to get one :7:

PistolPete75
12-28-2007, 9:36 AM
it all sounds too expensive to shoot. that's why i like shooting 30cal.

wildcard
12-28-2007, 9:41 AM
it all sounds too expensive to shoot. that's why i like shooting 30cal.

It is.. but it'll be fun to have something that could reach a mile :) Now I just need to get REAL good at milling or get a REAL nice laser range finder.

ar15barrels
12-28-2007, 10:16 AM
338 isn't that far behind. $200 per 100 cases, $230 per 500 bullets, 90-odd grains of powder...I guess its not as bad as 408.:D

Lightweights. :rolleyes:

Try feeding my 50BMG...
Custom turned bullets 87 cents a piece
Primers are 25 cents a piece
230gr of powder is 53 cents a load

The brass is easy to see so you don't really lose any. :)

Cypriss32
12-28-2007, 5:52 PM
Id go 338 or better yet 416 barrett....I really want a 416 barrett....Ill bet they never release their "secret powder" or load data though for loading your own

Too bad you wont own one because savage wont make one. And when are you gona man up to 700's and M70s!

Vu 308
12-28-2007, 6:44 PM
Both. They are both pretty main stream calibers.

As for George saying WSM...no doubt the man knows what he is talking about. But remember winning Tactical matches is one thing, but keeping up in Benchrest and F-Class is a whole another world when it comes to accuracy standards.

Now before the flaming starts..I am not saying one shooting disipline is harder than the other. I am just saying in BR and F-Class your gun HAS to be almost 1/4MOA - 1/2MOA to even be competitive. In most steel matches your gun can be a solid MOA and still be competitive.

Most of my targets for tactical is 2MOA or bigger at distance.

Tactical Rifles = Indy Cars standard in accuracy.

F-Class/BR - Formula 1 standard in accuracy.

If you are talking pure performance of a caliber...just look at what BR guys and F-Class open guys are using. They push it to the max when it comes to performance.

proraptor
01-01-2008, 10:09 AM
Too bad you wont own one because savage wont make one. And when are you gona man up to 700's and M70s!

I wouldnt buy a large caliber rifle unless it was a windrunner....I also wont jump on the 700 m70 bandwagon either just because its the cool thing to do

PistolPete75
01-01-2008, 10:24 AM
what are you talking about? remington 700s has been around for decades. it's nothing new. reason people like shooting 700 is for the accuracy potential and of course all the tons of aftermarket support for it.

Prc329
01-01-2008, 10:27 AM
I wouldnt buy a large caliber rifle unless it was a windrunner....I also wont jump on the 700 m70 bandwagon either just because its the cool thing to do

Tom my man, you need to get over that. Many shooters do not see moving to a 700 as "the cool thing to do". Just like buying your Glock for competition. The after market for Glock is much bigger then for the XD so buying one when you plan on doing a custom tailored build is a no brainer. Same with the 700. I loved my Savage but the 700 just had more to offer for where I wanted to go with my shooting. Many others feel the same.

Cypriss32
01-01-2008, 10:40 AM
I wouldnt buy a large caliber rifle unless it was a windrunner....I also wont jump on the 700 m70 bandwagon either just because its the cool thing to do

Next time you look around, turn your rifle over...... What do you see? A stock and no mag sytem. Then open the bolt, flimsy!

I didnt "jump on the bandwagon" i justknow a little about rifles these days. But My M70 takes AICS clips and is an 7wsm (when my rock barrel arrives).
I just got the bottom metal for it. Also I have a savage completly custom, aftermarket barrel, good scope, base, rings, Manners stock, bedded by GA. It shoots great, but I dont like the action on it. If it was as smooth as my 700 and no wobbly, flimsy then id throw an rock barrel on it.

ar15barrels
01-01-2008, 11:13 AM
Your level of commitment to the game is directly proportional to the quality of the gear you use to play the game.

6079Winston
01-01-2008, 11:55 AM
I a looking long and hard at a 6mm somethingorother for my next long range toy. 6mmbr.com, while having an obvious bias, has alot of info on ballistics as they relate to the 6's and long range sports. If you want to shoot F Class, you could do alot worse than copying Bolo with the 7mm. As for Tactical, I find the lowly .243 Winchester very appealing with low recoil, very competitive ballistics and being fairly cheap and easy. A friend of mine had a .338 LM (Sako TRG-W-Brake) for a while and it's recoil was barely tolerable, making it difficult to shoot well. Shooting that rifle prone would have been painful and very annoying to the neighbors, with the brake flinging debris on the firing line at them and their expensive rifles / optics. I will admit that the .338 hits steel like a Mike Tyson punch. Awesome, and almost painful to watch.

Cypriss32
01-01-2008, 12:04 PM
I like the 6mms. I had a dream today about rebarreling my AR to the 6mmAR shooting magfed 107gr, 108gr BTHPs.

But an 243 shooting 115Gr DTACS kicks ***. Also i love the 6.5x47 Lapua, shooting all the high BC 6.5mm bullets. But its nothing comparied to the 7mms.

Anyways if you dont have an nice custom 308 first, i wouldnt do any of those.

wildcard
01-01-2008, 12:08 PM
As it stands.. my 338 Lapua build will consist of:

Stiller TAC338 Action
Mike Rock barrel in MTU contour
AI 2.0 Stock (custom fitted)
Timney trigger
Optics, base, and rings to be determined
and this Armalite brake: http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=AR50000-1&Category=600225d3-2ad4-483a-819b-8e304e873dd6

Prc329
01-01-2008, 12:09 PM
Go with a badger FTE brake. Oh wait, never mind I forgot the brake on your PSS. :D

Cypriss32
01-01-2008, 12:14 PM
I would use the FTE brake if it was my rifle. Have George at GA build this sucker.
USO 5-25x 58mm T-PAL scope would be a perfict match for this beasty!

GEorge just did this.... This gives you an idea of what you should plan on spending!

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=423014&Main=39503#Post423014

Prc329
01-01-2008, 12:23 PM
I would use the FTE brake if it was my rifle. Have George at GA build this sucker.
USO 5-25x 58mm T-PAL scope would be a perfict match for this beasty!

GEorge just did this.... This gives you an idea of what you should plan on spending!

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=423014&Main=39503#Post423014

That is a thing of beauty.

wildcard
01-01-2008, 12:55 PM
I would use the FTE brake if it was my rifle. Have George at GA build this sucker.
USO 5-25x 58mm T-PAL scope would be a perfict match for this beasty!

GEorge just did this.... This gives you an idea of what you should plan on spending!

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=423014&Main=39503#Post423014

4K for that GAP rifle?

I realize custom means $$$ when compared to production models.. but 4K is a bit much for that set-up. What's he charging for labor? About 1.5K?

Action: $825
Stock: $500
Barrel: $300
Badger Bottom Metal: $360
Base+Rings: $200
Surefire Brake: $150

Total: $2335

With some margin of error as these prices are only approximate, labor is ~$1565. Sounds like a bit much. I'm willing to bet that there's a smith that could do the same for about 1K less and achieve the same quality.

Prc329
01-01-2008, 1:27 PM
What stock you planning on using?

wildcard
01-01-2008, 1:31 PM
What stock you planning on using?

AI 2.0
Will require some custom fitting..

PistolPete75
01-01-2008, 1:37 PM
it's gonna be one nice rig.

Prc329
01-01-2008, 1:43 PM
AI 2.0
Will require some custom fitting..

Maybe I should actually read your post :D

Cypriss32
01-01-2008, 3:22 PM
4K for that GAP rifle?

I realize custom means $$$ when compared to production models.. but 4K is a bit much for that set-up. What's he charging for labor? About 1.5K?

Action: $825
Stock: $500
Barrel: $300
Badger Bottom Metal: $360
Base+Rings: $200
Surefire Brake: $150

Total: $2335

With some margin of error as these prices are only approximate, labor is ~$1565. Sounds like a bit much. I'm willing to bet that there's a smith that could do the same for about 1K less and achieve the same quality.

Allright, the action might be 825.00
The stock is not 500.00...... Its LTM painted, and thats like 250.00
That barrel aint no 300.00 barrel, its an 30" custom contour. Its like at least 600.00..... It has an 125.00 set of rings, and 100.00 base.
It adds up quick man you forget an standered 1.20 barrel is not recomened for those recievers. You need an 1.30.


You can take that chance if you think its worth 500-800 difference, but when im spending close to 4k i want the very damm best. Build it right, it will last awhile... You might be in the wrong caliber selection if you are worried about the price. Also the top smiths are the same price if not more. George does great work and is more then affordable.

Prc329
01-01-2008, 4:12 PM
The stock before the paint is $530 the paint job is about $190 according to the price list at Larson Tactical.

Vu 308
01-01-2008, 5:22 PM
3500 - 4000 is about what a full blown custom rig is going to run a guy if he has it built by a quality smith.

My rig at KMW tops out around there I think.

900.00 SA Borden Alpine Action
275.00 Krieger Barrel
350.00 Badger DBM
875.00 McM A5 in GAP Camo with 4 flush cups, LOP Spacer system with Decelerator pad, custom cut pillar bedded and skim bedded.
Glen Seekins base - 100.00
Badger Rings 140.00
KMW Bolt Mod - 100.00
KMW - Recoil Lug 35.00

Parts alone is 2775.00

I believe the build ran me around 3800.00

Wait time is a lil longer than what I wanted but when you want one of the best to build a rig it takes time.

proraptor
01-01-2008, 7:54 PM
Your level of commitment to the game is directly proportional to the quality of the gear you use to play the game.

I have no commitment to long range precision shooting....I get to take my savage out like once ever one to two months and it shoots really well for me....Ill keep it....Id kick my own *** if I paid $3000-$4000 for a rifle...Id rather just save up for a windrunner

wildcard
01-01-2008, 8:13 PM
You might be in the wrong caliber selection if you are worried about the price. Also the top smiths are the same price if not more. George does great work and is more then affordable.

Don't get me confused.. there's a difference between worrying about being overcharged and worrying about the price. 1k+ for the labor just seems a bit high to me. Yes.. a 1.350 breach is recommended by some.. but most (including George because i've spoken to him about it) will tell you 1.250 is fine. You can either call me a liar or the smiths I talk to, idiots. I don't doubt that he does great work, but dare I say he's charging more than what I believe to be subjectively "reasonable?"

He puts quite a mark-up on his work and SOME parts. I KNOW this because i've compared quotes.

Vu 308
01-01-2008, 8:32 PM
I have no commitment to long range precision shooting....I get to take my savage out like once ever one to two months and it shoots really well for me....Ill keep it....Id kick my own *** if I paid $3000-$4000 for a rifle...Id rather just save up for a windrunner


So let me get this straight...you have no commitment to LR shooting, and would kick yourself if you paid 4K for a rig..but you would pay 8K for a Windrunner which cost probably 4.50 per trigger pull if not more for the 408?

So if 4K gets you a kick in the ***..what does 8K get you?

Or are you one of the guys at the range that has a super cool gun to say you got a super cool gun to shoot at 100yards? :confused:

Prc329
01-01-2008, 8:39 PM
I have no commitment to long range precision shooting....I get to take my savage out like once ever one to two months and it shoots really well for me....Ill keep it....Id kick my own *** if I paid $3000-$4000 for a rifle...Id rather just save up for a windrunner

I think that is the difference.

Guys like myself, Pete,Wildcard and others are committed to long range precision shooting. We don't buy/build these rifles to say we are cool. We build them to hit itty bitty steel plates a long distance away, so spending 4K on a rifle that will get us to 1000 yards and still be fun is not much of an issue (except for the look on the wife's face when you tell her what you spent). When all is said and done my rig will weigh in at about $3000, I'll be happy and have been very happy to spend it.

PistolPete75
01-01-2008, 9:36 PM
in terms of where wildcard wants to send his rifle or what parts he want is his own decision. everyone has their own idea of which gunsmith has the "magic" touch. i hear alot of good things about GAP, but i love R+D rifles.

and yes, i agree with Nayt. i love tactical precision shooting. when your really into something, you like to get the best stuff you can possibly get. it's that simple. personally, the reason why i went full custom is for accuracy, reliability, and simplicity (rifle and scope combo). ya i spent a few thousand dollars, but it was worth every single penny. rifle has only seen a bench once and that was the first day zeroing it in. since then it's constantly hitting the dirt.

i am happy that i chose Randy to build my rifle. great rifle, great guy, and great prices. what else can you ask for?

in terms of long range shooting, past 1000yards. i dunno if i'm going to play that game for awhile. i have future commitments on buying a lathe, mill, etc. that's going to run me a few thousand easily.

ar15barrels
01-01-2008, 11:53 PM
there's a difference between worrying about being overcharged and worrying about the price.
1k+ for the labor just seems a bit high to me.

I don't doubt that he does great work, but dare I say he's charging more than what I believe to be subjectively "reasonable?"

If people are waiting in line, he must not be charging enough. ;)

Sniper3142
01-03-2008, 9:16 AM
Difficult choice...

- 7mm WSM throwing 180gr Bergers will get to 1 mile.

- 300WM throwing 208gr A-Max will get to one mile (depending on variables).

- 338LM throwing 250gr rounds will get to 1 mile easier and with more energy.

It all depends on what you want out of the rifle. I'd go with the 7mm WSM due to the cost of ammo and recoil but a 338LM is next on my list (since I've already got a 300WM).

proraptor
01-05-2008, 10:18 AM
So let me get this straight...you have no commitment to LR shooting, and would kick yourself if you paid 4K for a rig..but you would pay 8K for a Windrunner which cost probably 4.50 per trigger pull if not more for the 408?

So if 4K gets you a kick in the ***..what does 8K get you?

Or are you one of the guys at the range that has a super cool gun to say you got a super cool gun to shoot at 100yards? :confused:

In my eyes a windrunner is a step above everything else....If you can afford the 8K rifle you arent worried how much the ammo costs

A remington or savage with $3000 of work into it isnt my thing....Ive shot some super nice remingtons, and savages with a lot of work done to them and they didnt shoot $3000 better than my stock savage...Just isnt worth it to me....

But Im not into precision shooting like most of you....Some of you are borderlining mall ninja ;)

ar15barrels
01-05-2008, 11:27 AM
A remington or savage with $3000 of work into it isnt my thing....Ive shot some super nice remingtons, and savages with a lot of work done to them and they didnt shoot $3000 better than my stock savage...Just isnt worth it to me....

I can say the same thing about my $2900 Viper.
I shot windrunners and AIs that are really nice.
They don't shoot $5000+ better though.