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Nevertipsy
07-15-2013, 12:21 PM
Hi everyone this is my somewhat botched attempt at building a Budget precision Remington 700 precision rifle for budget minded people. I originally had a budget of $1000, but my research along the road has steered me elsewhere. I hope that this post will be informative to others. I'd also like to thank everyone who has put their input and given my advice along the way, especially those at the CAPRC, whom are veterans in the field and knowledge has been most informative and helpful.

Necro update: 8/19/2014 - I have learned a lot more about precision rifles -BUDGET doesn't belong in this game (if you are serious). My rifle has evolved and I love going to matches. Removed useless information and edited for mistakes. If I could redo everything... I'd probably go trued-700 custom build from the start using a donor action, didn't know I would enjoy bolt guns so much...

Rifle is going to be chambered in .308 because the ammo is more widely available, and shouldn't break the bank to shoot. Please keep in mind I'm on a budget. Right now I'm looking at these options, if you have any advice on the parts, better value substitutes (or lower prices elsewhere), I'd appreciate it greatly.

Rifle:
Remington 700 SPS Tactical (internet price ~$650)
Places to check: Budsgunshop, grabagun, Riflegear
-Check for rebates at remington.com/rebates

Pros:
Cheaper price
Threaded Barrel

Cons:
20" Barrel - loss in Muzzle Velocity
Lower resale value
Crappy Hogue stock

The better option if you are serious is the remington 700 5R 24" (internet price ~$1100)
Places to check: Riflegear & budsgunshop

Pros:
HS precision stock worth roughly ~300
24" 5R Barrel for that extra reach

Cons:
Higher price tag
Barrel does not come threaded
Not ideal for hunting

Deciding your rifle at this point is important, think about what your end goal really is before purchasing.
-If you are the guy who enjoys leisure shooting, occasional range time, hunting. The SPS tactical is probably better for you.
-If you want compete in local matches, shoot out to 600+ then the 5R would be a better choice for you.
-If money is not an issue, and you really want to travel to big matches, and are CERTAIN AND COMMITTED then go with a custom rifle using either a trued/blueprinted 700 action or a defiance/surgeon.


OPTIC:
DON'T CHEAP OUT ON GLASS - cant hit what you cant see.

I found a nice deal on an open box Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP here: ($150 off)
http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/vortex.pl?page=deal_of_the_day_aug_8
These units come with lifetime warranties that are amazing from what I've read. There are more expensive scopes, but I believe this to be the best bang for my dollar considering my goal of wanting to try competitions.

Another great option is a SFWA SS scope, I've heard great things, but personally have not looked down one yet.

Base: You want a 20MOA base from what I've learned from Randall, you want steel, because steel can accept any kind of rings. The best bang for dollar is TPS
which can be found:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/366794/tps-1-piece-xp-tactical-picantinny-style-20-moa-elevated-base-remington-700-short-action-matte-steel?cm_cat=Cart&cm_pla=ProductDesc
and:
http://swfa.com/TPS-XP-Tactical-1-Pi...se-P42035.aspx

Rings: Lowest should be Burris XTR rings, TPS would be best value, and their are nicer ones that hold good resale value like Seekins.

Base + Ring Combos at SWFA - This is something that was not easy to find on the website, but they have combo deals that makes buying sets cheaper, I heavily recommend the TPS set as you save something like $25, also the rings are steel.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-Mounting-Kits-C1720.aspx
&
http://swfa.com/TPS-Mounting-Kit-for-Remington-700-Short-Action-P44682.aspx


Stock:
SPS comes with a piece of junk
5R comes with a HS precision stock, decent resale value, good for hunting
Best thing to do is go to a local match, and ask some of the guys if you can get behind their rifles, its like buying a car or shoes, you have to try it in order to know if you like it or not. CAPRC has monthly matches with super friendly people, I got behind at least 3-4 different stocks before going with an AICS with viper skins. I sold off the HS precision because the internal box magazine capped me off at only 5x Rounds.

Bipod: Cant go wrong with Harris S-BRM, buy once cry once my fellow CGers have reiterated to me
http://www.amazon.com/Harris-Engineering-S-BRM-Hinged-Base/dp/B000JJGXAI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376655985&sr=8-1&keywords=harris+6-9
Try CG and SH forum for used ones to save money. I got really lucky. Resale value on these are also pretty good.

Trigger: UPDATE 8/19/2014
This is something I never addressed in my original post because I didn't think it was important. I upgraded to a timney, and it makes a world of difference. the x-mark pros are just terrible terrible triggers.

Muzzle Brake:
if you get the SPS tactical, you can make use of the threaded barrel by getting an MB
Ross Schulers muzzle brake is the most affordable option and works.
http://www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com/ROSS_SCHULERS_PAGE.php

If you got the 5R like I did, you will need it threaded - AR15barrels did mine.
Randall is a friendly and informative gunsmith that does excellent work, he threaded my barrel at a great price and timed it perfectly.

I'll start posting pictures as everything starts coming together. I also wanted to note that Sniperhide the CAPRC(local) forums are GREAT resources for precision shooters and for looking for used gear. Thank you to those who have taken the time to educate me and answer my questions. -Especially AR15barrels & Iloveguns.

8/19/14 update All in all, I've learned a lot, my mentality has also changed a lot. Matches and competition make range shooting so much more fun. I went to CAPRC clinics, became a member, and now go to monthly matches, shooting alone just isn't nearly as fun. Have fun, and get out there and shoot!

some updated progress pics
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5591/14974746835_067ffc7212_s.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oPguwg)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3925/14695316339_2097f8a0c5_s.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oozkz6)

CK_32
07-15-2013, 12:42 PM
Get either that AAC or a Varment with a heavy barrel and buy a B&C stock. And you will have a great set up and still be under $1k (before optics and mounts)

I personally like EGW/Badger ordnance I piece rails

And either night force, Egw or badger rings.

That scope ok but also look at a Bushnell either 5-15x or their fixed 10x elite tactical 3200 line. One of my fav sub $800 scopes.

Your bi pod is a good choice as well swivel isn't really necessary if you want to save a few $$. I have one and have never NEEDED it. 6-9 is good anything higher is kind of over kill. IMO if you need something higher than 9" you need shooting sticks.

Personal I'd hold off on the brake until later after you pick up a better stock.


Edit: if your not a member of snipers hide I'd suggest joining there. A lot more long range guys with A LOT of good info. Good forum for the LR stuff

Nevertipsy
07-15-2013, 12:58 PM
Thank you for the input CK, I looked through the parts you listed, and a lot of the items appear to unfortunately be out of my price range. The ring mounts I can add onto the scope only come out to be $25 which is about 100 cheaper than the badger ordinance ones.

My friend has a spare HS precision stock that he'd probably let go to me for really cheap (maybe free if I'm really lucky) I was planning to sell the hogue overmold and give the money from that to him.

The break is on my last list of priorities, I've read that is better to train without it at first, and then when you put it on, it'll make a world of difference.

XenosAce
07-15-2013, 1:06 PM
Do not forget UTG parts. They are cheap for budget build. So far I have a pair of their scope rings and they seem to be doing well, and a scope that I have had for ever and primarily have used on my AR until my savage axis .308 scope took a turn for the worst.

CK_32
07-15-2013, 1:12 PM
No problem I remember how it was trying to put my first longer range rifle together.

Also just another thing I've come to learn is dont skimp on the optic or mounts. If you need to save up try to save up for the right solid gear. Rifle does you no good if your scopes moving all over and your not hitting anything. I learned the hard way buying cheap rings too and ended up throwing them away cause they came loose every 20 shots. But if its not in your price range now you can always upgrade later. But the top part of the rifle is almost more important than the rifle it self.


As for the brake I find them more hassle than they are worth. A lot of guys swear by them but depending on brake it makes your semi loud rifle and make its really loud for everyone else on the range including your self depending on where you shoot. Also the recoil on the 308 isn't bad at all especially with the pad Remington rifles come with and most after market stocks now a days. That a proper technique will do almost what a brake will minus the sound. Learn to load your bi pod it will help a lot too.

GL and happy shooting you'll love your 700. Good rifle and fun gun. I recently started shooting mine a little more lately too. Got into hand guns/shotguns for a while.

Arnelcheeze
07-15-2013, 1:19 PM
another vote to put more $$$ into an optic, I would put more trust into a Leupold of the same price over the one you listed which looks like a BSA scope which while looks like nice optic and has many great features is really an air gun, airsoft, and or .22LR scope.

mrc44
07-15-2013, 2:19 PM
I just bought my sps tactical and just bought a Burris one piece mount and rings and put a red field on it. So far so good. It's my first bolt action so I am just leaving it stock until I can really notice a differene with a new stock. Why don't you get the gun and mounts and scope, then buy the rest later when you have more money. It's going to shoot just fine the way it is.. GL

Nevertipsy
07-15-2013, 2:45 PM
Thanks for the feedback keep em coming. I thought everyone usually said that Primary arms scopes were all good to go, the reviews looked good as well.

ar15barrels
07-15-2013, 3:15 PM
The break is on my last list of priorities, I've read that is better to train without it at first, and then when you put it on, it'll make a world of difference.

False.

It's better to have the brake from day one.
Then you have the benefit of spotting all your own misses on steel.
Without the brake, the gun's recoil keeps you from seeing where the bullet impacts.

Get a 3 port muzzle brake from Ross Schuler for around $50 shipped.
http://www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com/ROSS_SCHULERS_PAGE.php
I can index it to your barrel.

Get a TPS 20moa STEEL scope base.
http://swfa.com/TPS-XP-Tactical-1-Piece-Base-P42035.aspx
They have a recoil shoulder on the bottom which is the big feature of the Badger.

Get a Harris S-BRM from Triad Taqctical.
http://www.triadtactical.com/Harris-Swivel-Notched.html
While you are there, get one of the redtac rear bags or the small wedge rear bags.
http://www.triadtactical.com/Triad-Tapered-Rear-Bag.html

I have Bipod Locks in-stock and I can install one on your bipod when you come over for the other work.

762shooter
07-15-2013, 3:24 PM
Remington 700SPS tactical 84206 - $589.99
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=786865

dnz Game Reaper:
http://www.amazon.com/Game-Reaper-Remington-700-Short-Action-Low/dp/B001EYDN2I/ref=sr_sp-atf_image_1_1?s=sporting-
goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1373926963&sr=1-1&keywords=14700+game

Bushnell Elite 3200 Tactical Rifle Scope 10x 40mm
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/950843/bushnell-elite-3200-tactical-rifle-scope-10x-40mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-mil-dot-reticle-matte

sandbags instead of bipod + which ever comp you want.

ar15barrels
07-15-2013, 3:26 PM
Do not forget UTG parts. They are cheap for budget build.

The PRICE is the only good thing about UTG products.
The good news is that the price was so low that you won't feel as bad about wasting the money when the products fail and you throw them away.

Nevertipsy
07-15-2013, 8:25 PM
would this be a viable option?

https://www.primaryarms.com/Weaver_Tactical_Extended_Precision_Scope_Base_Re_p/wv99486.htm

people mentioned weaver several times, only sad part is, there's no free shipping. but if its that much more important/better I'll spend the extra money.

CK_32
07-15-2013, 8:31 PM
I know your in a budget but precision rifles is not one where you can pinch pennies bud. Or else your just trashing your money.

Buy once cry once is KING in the LR game. You have your rifle wait a few weeks and pick up parts in due time. I can't live with t self backing you buying low end stuff for your 700. You'll probably want to sell it after a few months cause its my doing what you want it to cause you saved a few pennies.

I've seen it so many times.

Nevertipsy
07-15-2013, 9:02 PM
I know your in a budget but precision rifles is not one where you can pinch pennies bud. Or else your just trashing your money.

Buy once cry once is KING in the LR game. You have your rifle wait a few weeks and pick up parts in due time. I can't live with t self backing you buying low end stuff for your 700. You'll probably want to sell it after a few months cause its my doing what you want it to cause you saved a few pennies.

I've seen it so many times.

Thank you very much for your honest opinion CK, I will heed your advice and try to save up a bit more to get more quality parts. I just want to avoid paying excessive amounts for minor benefit. I use PA's red dot and compared to a Aimpoint.. I definitely do not see a $300 performance increase. I will look at the optics you and many others have recommended though since no one has spoken in favor of PA's yet. Again, thank you for your time and advice, I really do appreciate it, and will try to go the route you described.

Nickbowen5
07-15-2013, 9:50 PM
Bipod Is cheaper on amazon

ar15barrels
07-16-2013, 12:04 AM
would this be a viable option?

https://www.primaryarms.com/Weaver_Tactical_Extended_Precision_Scope_Base_Re_p/wv99486.htm

people mentioned weaver several times, only sad part is, there's no free shipping. but if its that much more important/better I'll spend the extra money.

That rail will not work on your 308.
It is the wrong length.
It's also aluminum, and lower grade aluminum at that.
You want your rail to be made from harder metal than your rings so that the rings won't dent the rail.
With a 6061 rail, you should only ever use 6061 rings.
7075 is harder than 6061.
Steel is harder than 7075.
Going with a steel rail means you can run any rings made.

Seriously, spend the extra $30 for the tps rail I linked above.

Nevertipsy
07-16-2013, 1:45 AM
That rail will not work on your 308.
It is the wrong length.
It's also aluminum, and lower grade aluminum at that.
You want your rail to be made from harder metal than your rings so that the rings won't dent the rail.
With a 6061 rail, you should only ever use 6061 rings.
7075 is harder than 6061.
Steel is harder than 7075.
Going with a steel rail means you can run any rings made.

Seriously, spend the extra $30 for the tps rail I linked above.

Your logic and explanation made sense, thank you very much. I have decided to go with the rail you recommended.

AlliedArmory
07-16-2013, 4:43 AM
On my old R700 SPS Varmint 308 I had a EGW 20 MOA 1 piece rail and Burris XTR rings. Both worked perfectly.

For a budget scope, I would keep it in the $300+ range. Will cheaper scopes work, of course they will. But I like to keep the scope budget in the same area as the rifle.

I had a JP brake that Randall installed for me and worked great.

Thorax
07-16-2013, 7:50 AM
At Fowlers gun room in Orange (I see you're in OC) they had about 10-12 nice scopes on the bargain table at 20% off.
You might find a sweet deal there....they had a few Zeiss conquests, a couple Kahles, a weaver or 2, and a couple Bushnells (one was an elite 3200).
I would wager the Zeiss 3-9x40 would work real well and could probably go out the door around 300-350.

They are on Tustin ave. just north of the 22 fwy.
Definitely worth a look see.

Nevertipsy
07-16-2013, 12:22 PM
Remington 700SPS tactical 84206 - $589.99
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=786865

dnz Game Reaper:
http://www.amazon.com/Game-Reaper-Remington-700-Short-Action-Low/dp/B001EYDN2I/ref=sr_sp-atf_image_1_1?s=sporting-
goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1373926963&sr=1-1&keywords=14700+game

Bushnell Elite 3200 Tactical Rifle Scope 10x 40mm
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/950843/bushnell-elite-3200-tactical-rifle-scope-10x-40mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-mil-dot-reticle-matte

sandbags instead of bipod + which ever comp you want.

thanks for the links, unfortunately the rifle you linked is not an AAC-sd and its also chambered in .223 =(

200Volts
07-26-2013, 5:34 PM
Buy my 700VS with a Leupold scope for$1300. Shoots 1/2 mils, and it's a perfect base to customize.

esp1
07-26-2013, 5:59 PM
Buy this never fired 700 PSS LTR with Leupold Tactical Mil Dot scope and Leup Mark 4 rings with butler creek flip ups from me for $1,275

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_93/1189566_For_Sale_Remington_700_PSS_LTR_and_Remingt on_870_Tactical_and_CMP_M1_Garands__HandR_.html

vintagedude88
07-26-2013, 9:26 PM
Check out Natchez. They have some good deals on Nikon scopes like this one:
http://www.natchezss.com/Category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=NK&prodID=NK6473&prodTitle=Nikon%20Buckmasters%206-18x40%20Riflescope%20Side%20Focus%20BDC%20Reticle% 20Matte

Exodus343
07-26-2013, 10:10 PM
What I learned about precision rifles....
there is no "budget"

it's so expensive T.T I'm currently saving up for a Bushnell HDMR G2
idk if I want to grind it out, or just get a Vortex....

chuckdc
07-27-2013, 5:18 PM
Check with SWFA's clearance area on their site. They frequently have some really high-end optics for significant discounts.

SWFA will also match even Internet sale prices. A while back, I bought a Zeiss Conquest (which is a REALLY nice scope, BTW) 4-14x scope that way for about $550. It now resides on my .300 Mag. Zeiss also just brought out a new "budget" line of scopes (Terra?) that are competitive in price with the Leupolds and higher Nikons.

I also have to echo the "Buy once, cry once" on the mounts and rings. Get good ones, they might save you the cost of a scope someday by not failing and causing the scope to hit concrete, etc.

truwarier
07-27-2013, 6:35 PM
Posting so I can come back to it as I will be getting my first 700 in the upcoming future and can use some of the advice.

G Wilikers
07-27-2013, 7:19 PM
OP, what do you consider long range or what kind of distance are you looking to shoot within? Just some of the things to consider with regards to barrel length, contor & caliber.

G/L,

G.

Nevertipsy
08-10-2013, 5:07 PM
OP, what do you consider long range or what kind of distance are you looking to shoot within? Just some of the things to consider with regards to barrel length, contor & caliber.

G/L,

G.

Sorry for having been away, currently overseas. I would like to shoot 500 yards out to possibly 1000 yards. 100-1000 yards is what i'd like to try, up til now ive mostly been shooting at the local indoor rifle range with my AR. and its gotten boring and expensive. I went over to CAPRC and read some more info. As of right now I still have none of the components since I'm not state side, but I've been gauging prices for everything and benchmarking it in excel. I thought prices would go down, but surprisingly some things seem to be increasing in price. most of what AR-15 barrels has said appears to be the path I've decided though. The only thing I'm on the fence about still is the optic.

FMJBT
08-10-2013, 6:55 PM
Heres an awesome deal ($724.03) on the Bushnell Elite Tactical 3-12X44 FFP w/ G2DMR reticle:
http://www.thedigitaloasis.com/BUS-ELITE-TACT-3-12X44-G2-DMR-Bushnell-ET3124FG_p_18051.html

The 3-12X tends to get lost in the huge shadow cast by it's big brother, the excellent 3.5-21X50 DMR. Personally, I think the 3-12X is one of the best and most versatile optics in the Elite Tactical lineup. It has enough internal adjustment to get the 308 out to 1000 yards, even without a 20 moa base. If you don't feel like dialing elevation, it also has enough mil spaced holdover marks on the G2 reticle to get out to 1000+

Nevertipsy
08-16-2013, 8:06 AM
Heres an awesome deal ($724.03) on the Bushnell Elite Tactical 3-12X44 FFP w/ G2DMR reticle:
http://www.thedigitaloasis.com/BUS-ELITE-TACT-3-12X44-G2-DMR-Bushnell-ET3124FG_p_18051.html

The 3-12X tends to get lost in the huge shadow cast by it's big brother, the excellent 3.5-21X50 DMR. Personally, I think the 3-12X is one of the best and most versatile optics in the Elite Tactical lineup. It has enough internal adjustment to get the 308 out to 1000 yards, even without a 20 moa base. If you don't feel like dialing elevation, it also has enough mil spaced holdover marks on the G2 reticle to get out to 1000+

Thanks for info! Unfortunately that glass is out of my price range, its actually more than the rifle itself haha, I understand the importance of the glass we use, but I think I'm going to price cap my glass budget off at $400. I rather spend the other amount of money toward getting a 1911 or a HD shotgun.

I've updated the original post so hopefully others who come across the project can benefit from my research.

MilSpecMonkey
08-16-2013, 8:41 AM
Sorry to thread jack. I know a few other people have mentioned a few other companies for scope rails, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the Larue Tactical one. I know a few budget ones have been mentioned. Any suggestions on high end ones? Does it really make a difference between the budget ones or high end ones?

http://www.laruetactical.com/remington-700-rail

Iloveguns
08-16-2013, 10:27 AM
Sorry to thread jack. I know a few other people have mentioned a few other companies for scope rails, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the Larue Tactical one. I know a few budget ones have been mentioned. Any suggestions on high end ones? Does it really make a difference between the budget ones or high end ones?

http://www.laruetactical.com/remington-700-rail

If you are going high end stick with Seekins or Badger.

Whitefang
08-16-2013, 5:10 PM
Why on earth would you want to cheap out on glass??
You cannot shoot what you cannot see.

ar15barrels
08-16-2013, 5:13 PM
Why on earth would you want to cheap out on glass??

My guess is that if someone else was footing the bill, he would NOT want to cheap out on the glass.
My second guess is that he is paying for it himself and does not have unlimited funds such as yourself.

Whitefang
08-16-2013, 5:23 PM
My guess is that if someone else was footing the bill, he would NOT want to cheap out on the glass.
My second guess is that he is paying for it himself and does not have unlimited funds such as yourself.

I don't have unlimited funds, but for what he is wanting to do and the distance he is aiming for you and I both know that glass is not the place for him to go cheap on

ar15barrels
08-16-2013, 5:30 PM
I don't have unlimited funds, but for what he is wanting to do and the distance he is aiming for you and I both know that glass is not the place for him to go cheap on

What do you suggest then?
It's not our place to tell someone their choices are crappy unless we can also give better suggestions that fit all of the requirements.

My suggestion for low-budget scopes is always a Nikon Buckmaster 4-14x40 with side focus and mildot reticle or a Bushnell 5-15x40 Tactical with Mildot reticle.
Those scopes do not have all the fancy features that people want, but they have the most important feature that all the feature packed scopes usually lack; RELIABILITY.

First focal plane reticles are useless if the mechanics are not reliable and repeatable...

Thorax
08-16-2013, 5:31 PM
I can't believe you would buy a 800$ rifle, stick a 250$ stock on it and have a lot less rifle than a 5R milspec that costs 1000$

Is my math that horrid ?

ar15barrels
08-16-2013, 5:35 PM
I can't believe you would buy a 800$ rifle, stick a 250$ stock on it and have a lot less rifle than a 5R milspec that costs 1000$

Is my math that horrid ?

5r Milspecs have gone up in price and he's looking at $650 to $700 guns.

Thorax
08-16-2013, 6:01 PM
http://www.riflegear.com/p-1635-remington-model-700-ss-5-r-mil-spec-300-win-magnum-24-threaded.aspx

That's the 300 mag since I always felt a 308 was a popgun. It's also the pricier threaded barrel model.
308 = cheaper.
Non threaded barrel = cheaper.

It already has the B&C stock, has the fully adjustable trigger (40x trigger if I'm not mistaken?). And a *****in 5R barrel.

Whats not to like ?

ar15barrels
08-16-2013, 6:32 PM
http://www.riflegear.com/p-1635-remington-model-700-ss-5-r-mil-spec-300-win-magnum-24-threaded.aspx

That's the 300 mag since I always felt a 308 was a popgun. It's also the pricier threaded barrel model.
308 = cheaper.
Non threaded barrel = cheaper.

It already has the B&C stock, has the fully adjustable trigger (40x trigger if I'm not mistaken?). And a *****in 5R barrel.

Whats not to like ?

That's $1200, not $1000.
The OP is comparing threaded barrel 308's.
Find the sub $1000 threaded barrel 308 5r in-stock and then you have something...

anti
08-16-2013, 6:36 PM
This one's cheaper

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/42070

Nevertipsy
08-16-2013, 7:30 PM
I can't believe you would buy a 800$ rifle, stick a 250$ stock on it and have a lot less rifle than a 5R milspec that costs 1000$

Is my math that horrid ?

I'm probably getting the stock free or for a dinner, he bought a 5R and upgraded to something much better. He runs his own company and lives in a huge house, I'm a peon who works for a real estate broker who moved back home with the folks to save on rent.

Do I own my own home? nope. Would I like to someday? Absolutely. I'm age 26, and I dream of owning my own home, wont happen without saving.

I'm trying to build me entire rifle for the cost of a 5R. This sport isn't cheap, and I envy the financial status some of you guys have achieved. I hope I can get there someday though.

Thorax
08-16-2013, 7:35 PM
It's not just a sport.
It's also a very high return investment.

vliberatore
08-16-2013, 7:42 PM
If you are going high end stick with Seekins or Badger.

Because LaRue makes such poor quality mounts? :confused:

Iloveguns
08-16-2013, 7:49 PM
Because LaRue makes such poor quality mounts? :confused:

Is that what I said?!?!

cfusionpm
08-16-2013, 7:50 PM
Do I own my own home? nope. Would I like to someday? Absolutely. I'm age 26, and I dream of owning my own home, wont happen without saving.

Not to go too off topic, but I did exactly that. While living at home and not paying rent, I put $500-600 a month into a savings account for more than 4 years. Now, at 28, I own my 1,100 sqft condo, 2 car garage, patio, and small front yard. With my good friend as a roommate, I'm paying about half as much as I would renting this identical place.

On topic, I think the best value for money scope is the Vortex Viper PST 4-16 FFP or 6-24 FFP. I own a PST 4-16 FFP and like the reticle and FFP feature much more than my SFP Nightforce 3.5-15 NP-R1, which I will likely sell soon to buy another PST and pocket the difference.

vliberatore
08-16-2013, 8:02 PM
Is that what I said?!?!

It is implied that a Larue mount isn't as good as one made by Seekins or Badger. If I interpreted what you said incorrectly, please correct me.

duc748bip
08-16-2013, 8:16 PM
First of all Randall does great work. Second the scope is only as good as the base and ring. Third, you can make sand bag and skip the bipod when you are just starting out.
Also we haven't started on ammo and reloading... Yet. :D

Iloveguns
08-16-2013, 8:59 PM
It is implied that a Larue mount isn't as good as one made by Seekins or Badger. If I interpreted what you said incorrectly, please correct me.


It implied that if your going to go High End then I would go with Seekins or Badger.

Nevertipsy
08-16-2013, 9:16 PM
First of all Randall does great work. Second the scope is only as good as the base and ring. Third, you can make sand bag and skip the bipod when you are just starting out.
Also we haven't started on ammo and reloading... Yet. :D

Aye, Randall/Mr. Rausch has a sound reputation, any recommendations on the ring I should get? Sandbag eh... any particular way I should make?

As for ammo, I'm thinking .308 since its cheaper, though I do understand peoples desire to move up to .300. I am trying to find a cheap chuck master supreme kit to buy so I can start reloading.

Lucky Scott
08-17-2013, 8:00 AM
"While living at home and not paying rent, I put $500-600 a month into a savings account for more than 4 years. Now, at 28, I own my 1,100 sqft condo, 2 car garage, patio, and small front yard. With my good friend as a roommate, I'm paying about half as much as I would renting this identical place."


Excellent advice! Having said that, there is no reason the OP should not enjoy shooting while saving. I also enjoy finding deals when putting a gun together. I am putting a Remington 700 into jail this afternoon and look forward to spending some time shooting long range. I wont have the high end stuff to do it with, but hope to upgrade over the next few years. I recommend buying what you can afford, as you can always buy better stuff later when you can afford it better.
Will I be a great shooter? Probably not.
Will I impress strangers at the range? No, not likely.
Will I enjoy shooting? You bet!

Cypriss32
08-17-2013, 9:26 AM
Under 800 scopes:
1)Swfa 3-15x ffp mil/mil
2)Weaver 3-15x mil/mil

Used vortex

vliberatore
08-17-2013, 10:39 AM
It implied that if your going to go High End then I would go with Seekins or Badger.

That's not implied. That's explicitly stated. You also posted that after someone posted something about Larue.

:rolleyes:

Cypriss32
08-17-2013, 11:28 AM
Personally I'd rather buy a badger or seekins. Ill say that straight up.....

Nevertipsy
08-18-2013, 7:53 AM
Ah bugger. Looks like I am going to have to just grit my teeth and get a 5R. After listening to some advice from fellow CGers about resale value, a 5R sounds like a better investment down the line and better for precision. A 24" barrel is just better for precision. Now just got to find a good price / caliber.

postal
08-18-2013, 6:22 PM
It is implied that a Larue mount isn't as good as one made by Seekins or Badger. If I interpreted what you said incorrectly, please correct me.

Meh... It isnt an AR project....

Badger/seekins/vortex (rebranded seekins) ARC, and yes even TPS actually make good products for this purpose.

OP said "on a budget"..... TPS is the lowest price point for a quality product.

No budget, go ARC.

Op already has a really good list of things.

Only variable now is the scope- Vortex is good. There's better, just depends on your budget.

*why concern yourself with resale value*? A 700 can be tuned up over time and be anything you want it to be at any price point.

If you wanted resale value, start with a custom action like surgeon.

Cypriss32
08-18-2013, 6:46 PM
I run TPS and there is NOTHING wrong with those too. I think ALL my rifles and that's A LOT have/had TPS.

Nevertipsy
08-18-2013, 7:26 PM
Hey guys, quick question, I'm not planning to resell my rifle, but if I were to choose a caliber, which one would be more appealing / desired, .308 or .300wm?

Lucky Scott
08-18-2013, 7:30 PM
Look for the best deal. I just bought a nice older remington 700 in 7mm.
Look around and see what is out there.
By the way, look at this site for aftermarket stocks......

http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/Categories

Iloveguns
08-18-2013, 7:37 PM
Look for a Short Action 308.

Thorax
08-18-2013, 8:01 PM
Since the military is going from 308 to 300wm I would expect the price of ammo will drop over the next year or so.

There is solid reason behind why they are switching from 308, it just doesn't have the range needed (no matter what the phan bois say). You'll get a solid 300-400 yards more out of a 300 mag.

BTW, all those .308 M40 Marine sniper rifles ?
Long action, every one of em.
Why anyone chooses a short action is beyond me....even for a short action caliber.
You just limit yourself and your rifle to ˝ of it's capacity.

barrage
08-18-2013, 8:19 PM
I think I smell a 300 mag, how did you spell it... "Phan Boi"? Cute.

LBDamned
08-18-2013, 8:49 PM
Under 800 scopes:
1)Swfa 3-15x ffp mil/mil
2)Weaver 3-15x mil/mil

Used vortex

+1 on the Weaver tactical 3-15x50... it is a very, VERY good bang for buck scope... Japanese glass, FFP, nice reticle (and is illuminated)... for a sub 1K scope it's great - being sub $800 makes it awesome!

I picked up a Vortex 4-16x50 and was extremely disappointing... sent it back - got the Weaver and couldn't be happier.

Another sub 1K worth considering is Bushnell 6-24x50... I just got one with G2DMR riticle, also very good glass for the price (just over $800)...

I think the Weaver is highly overlooked and underrated.

ar15barrels
08-18-2013, 9:00 PM
Hey guys, quick question, I'm not planning to resell my rifle, but if I were to choose a caliber, which one would be more appealing / desired, .308 or .300wm?

308.

ar15barrels
08-18-2013, 9:06 PM
BTW, all those .308 M40 Marine sniper rifles ?
Long action, every one of em.

M24's are long actions.
M40's are short actions.

cfusionpm
08-18-2013, 9:30 PM
I picked up a Vortex 4-16x50 and was extremely disappointing... sent it back - got the Weaver and couldn't be happier.

Is it a PST FFP model? I have that and love it. Good for the 600 yd steel at Angeles with a 223, including the small hanging targets at 300 and 400. In fact, I'm so satisfied with that scope, I'm selling my 2nd focal plane MOA Nightforce to get another FFP MRAD Viper PST and pocket the change for other purchases.

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/5285/s9f9.jpg

LBDamned
08-18-2013, 9:35 PM
Is it a PST FFP model? I have that and love it. Good for the 600 yd steel at Angeles with a 223, including the small hanging targets at 300 and 400. In fact, I'm so satisfied with that scope, I'm selling my 2nd focal plane MOA Nightforce to get another FFP MRAD Viper PST and pocket the change for other purchases.

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/5285/s9f9.jpg

"was" - yes... I have a pst 1-4x24 and like it... But the 4-16 was disappointing.

cfusionpm
08-18-2013, 9:47 PM
"was" - yes... I have a pst 1-4x24 and like it... But the 4-16 was disappointing.

It's not a Nightforce, that's for sure. But I find optical quality adequate and not noticeably worse than the NF. Slightly smaller exit pupil and not quite as bright either. However the MRAD reticle is much easier to read quickly and FFP is a no bainer IMO. At half the price, I'll take one any day (and am!).

Cypriss32
08-18-2013, 11:16 PM
Since the military is going from 308 to 300wm I would expect the price of ammo will drop over the next year or so.

There is solid reason behind why they are switching from 308, it just doesn't have the range needed (no matter what the phan bois say). You'll get a solid 300-400 yards more out of a 300 mag.

BTW, all those .308 M40 Marine sniper rifles ?
Long action, every one of em.
Why anyone chooses a short action is beyond me....even for a short action caliber.
You just limit yourself and your rifle to ˝ of it's capacity.

300-400? Really? Its more then that........ You are talking 240gr bullets possibly. 220's so far. They are NOT using 190s, regardless of what you think or hear. A little birdy with intel from the source.

Cypriss32
08-18-2013, 11:17 PM
It's not a Nightforce, that's for sure. But I find optical quality adequate and not noticeably worse than the NF. Slightly smaller exit pupil and not quite as bright either. However the MRAD reticle is much easier to read quickly and FFP is a no bainer IMO. At half the price, I'll take one any day (and am!).

Says the guy selling his NF with trades listed for vortex?

Exodus343
08-19-2013, 1:55 AM
Why would you downgrade from a NF to a vortex?
NF glass is amazing, blew me away when I looked through one at Angeles
My SWFA 10x42 ain't got $*** on NF

Exodus343
08-19-2013, 1:59 AM
In regards to the OP's updated first post
Remington 700 in 308, like others have said is an excellent choice, vortex
Viper PST is also decent

Goodluck finding ammo to feed it ;)

You could open up another can of worms and get into reloading :43:

Nevertipsy
08-19-2013, 3:48 AM
In regards to the OP's updated first post
Remington 700 in 308, like others have said is an excellent choice, vortex
Viper PST is also decent

Goodluck finding ammo to feed it ;)

You could open up another can of worms and get into reloading :43:

I've actually decided to go 5R, and I am deciding to go into reloading, its crazy. but right now I'm thinkin chuck master supreme kit, with RCBS shell holder and combination Dies. Might wait til black friday as it might get cheaper, and once i buy it, i'll have to figure out what the hell I'm doing hahaha

How are the VIPER HS-T's?

cfusionpm
08-19-2013, 6:38 AM
Says the guy selling his NF with trades listed for vortex?

Had the NF about a year, had a Viper PST past 8 months. NF is better in most regards, but not better enough to me. I'd rather have another Vortex and cash in pocket. You're welcome to buy my NF if you want it. :thumbsup:

Nevertipsy
08-19-2013, 8:43 AM
If I were to get this scope http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-6-24x50-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle/reticle

would I want the MRAD or MOA reticle?

Iloveguns
08-19-2013, 8:55 AM
Tipsy if you have buddies that shoot long range I would go with what they are using for reticles Mrad or Moa. If you are on your own I would stick with Mrad. Most people will be shooting an Mrad based reticle. It will be easier to help call corrections for other people and for people to give you corrections if you have the same system.

NorCalFocus
08-19-2013, 8:58 AM
Get the Mrad and then get a Mildot Master. That will solve a lot of your shooting solutions.

Nevertipsy
08-20-2013, 6:18 AM
Rings should be low, and 30mm correct? Any suggestions?

http://swfa.com/Burris-Xtreme-Tactical-30mm-Ring-P3630.aspx
X2?

http://swfa.com/TPS-TSR-Scope-30mm-Rings-C2717.aspx
which rings should I get?

NorCalFocus
08-20-2013, 7:35 AM
Yeah low rings should be fine. Med will def clear if your worried about it. I got those Burris rings on my Rem with a EGW 20MOA rail. I have a 44mm objective and clear easily with the low rings.

Nevertipsy
08-20-2013, 8:29 AM
Yeah low rings should be fine. Med will def clear if your worried about it. I got those Burris rings on my Rem with a EGW 20MOA rail. I have a 44mm objective and clear easily with the low rings.

Is there a benefit to getting low vs medium? I'm going to get low, I'm just wondering why it is haha

Also will extra low work?
fellow CGer has these for sale
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=800282&highlight=rings

NorCalFocus
08-20-2013, 8:55 AM
Extra low with a 50mm will not work. Its going to be close with the low rings lol. IDK if you looked at pics of my rifle, but it will give you a pretty good idea. Alos keep in mind my scope has the AO on the front so its a bit bigger.

You want the scope as close to the barrel as possible for sight alingment and it promotes better cheek weld on the stock. If the scope is too high and you lift your head off the stock to look through it, you will not be the most accurate.

What base are you getting?

Nevertipsy
08-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Extra low with a 50mm will not work. Its going to be close with the low rings lol. IDK if you looked at pics of my rifle, but it will give you a pretty good idea. Alos keep in mind my scope has the AO on the front so its a bit bigger.

You want the scope as close to the barrel as possible for sight alingment and it promotes better cheek weld on the stock. If the scope is too high and you lift your head off the stock to look through it, you will not be the most accurate.

What base are you getting?

Right now, the TPS 20MOA base.

ar15barrels
08-20-2013, 10:33 AM
I recommend the steel tps rings to go with the steel tps base.

Nevertipsy
08-20-2013, 7:42 PM
Would these all work together? Some people say yes, others say no ^^;

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/551...-reticle-matte

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/366...on-matte-steel

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/731...atte-super-low

CobraRed
08-20-2013, 8:33 PM
Your links dont work, but im guessing your asking the age old "will my rail rings and scope work?' question

It depends on

Objective size, 40, 44, 50 or 56mm

Ring height low, medium

barrel size/contour

canted or not canted rail

If you have a 50mm objective you can often get away with low rings and a bull barrel on a flat rail, now if it's a canted 20 moa rail and 50mm objective you'll usually need medium rings or a thinner barrel.

Ect.

Nevertipsy
08-20-2013, 8:59 PM
Your links dont work, but im guessing your asking the age old "will my rail rings and scope work?' question

It depends on

Objective size, 40, 44, 50 or 56mm

Ring height low, medium

barrel size/contour

canted or not canted rail

If you have a 50mm objective you can often get away with low rings and a bull barrel on a flat rail, now if it's a canted 20 moa rail and 50mm objective you'll usually need medium rings or a thinner barrel.

Ect.

Having problems with links all day for some reason. I apologize to everyone, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong to have the links fail, I test them after posting... and they work, and then few minutes later, dud.

Objective size is 50mm,
Rifle is a remington 700 5R. Barrel is the 5R barrel chambered in .308
Base is a TPS 20MOA canted rail

so I think my setup matches your latter setup?

NorCalFocus
08-20-2013, 9:07 PM
What rings are you looking at?

Nevertipsy
08-20-2013, 9:17 PM
What rings are you looking at?

Was originally looking at TPS ultra lows, right now I'm open to suggestions, SFWA has their own inhouse branded rings that look like Burris Xtremes, and they are really affordable.

otherwise, I'm looking at Burris xtremes or TPS Rings, not sure which height yet, I already ordered the glass. I'm open to advice, getting mixed signals, some say ultra low will fit, some say low, and now medium hahaha. I'm new to this completely, I haven't much a clue.

NorCalFocus
08-20-2013, 10:11 PM
Again, I got the same gun as you (I think) a little smaller objective and have a 20 MOA base. I got the burris extremes low. I really really like them. However get a 1/4" drive screwdriver and a T15 bit to torque the bolts down. The little torx handle the include slips.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/9520525338_5051c12aee_b.jpg

Thats a 44mm Objective. A 50 will fit prefect. If you want close up pics let me know. I can grab some tomorrow.

Nevertipsy
08-20-2013, 10:44 PM
Again, I got the same gun as you (I think) a little smaller objective and have a 20 MOA base. I got the burris extremes low. I really really like them. However get a 1/4" drive screwdriver and a T15 bit to torque the bolts down. The little torx handle the include slips.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/9520525338_5051c12aee_b.jpg

Thats a 44mm Objective. A 50 will fit prefect. If you want close up pics let me know. I can grab some tomorrow.

thanks for the picture and advice, I'll see if fellow CGer still has them available, otherwise its back to scavenging haha

NorCalFocus
08-20-2013, 10:47 PM
Glad to help. Hope it works out for you. I was in the same spot you were, going off the advice of the internet. LOL

CobraRed
08-21-2013, 12:43 PM
Having problems with links all day for some reason. I apologize to everyone, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong to have the links fail, I test them after posting... and they work, and then few minutes later, dud.

Objective size is 50mm,
Rifle is a remington 700 5R. Barrel is the 5R barrel chambered in .308
Base is a TPS 20MOA canted rail

so I think my setup matches your latter setup?

5r is a decently sized factory bull barrel, I have medium burris on my r700 and savage, my savage has a flat rail and larger bull barrel than yours and barely makes it with a 50mm objective. My remington has a 20moa base and very large bull barrel and has to use a 44mm objective to use my low rings (i only like using low rings).

My guess is if the 5r barrel is under 1" dia 3-4 inches from the receaver you'll be fine unless you pick a 50mm scope thats abnormally large or AO (adjustable objective).

Nevertipsy
08-22-2013, 9:51 AM
So I called SWFA to inquire about the TPS kit they were selling, to see if it was alloy or steel, comes out they've been sold out of the TPS 20 MOA base for months >.< and no ETA in sight. :facepalm:

Cypriss32
08-22-2013, 4:58 PM
Personally I use badger or TPS bases and TPS 30mm low rings. As I have jsut transitioned to all HDMR's I will try seekens lows (my barrels are medium palma and rem varmint).

Iloveguns
08-22-2013, 7:08 PM
Personally I use badger or TPS bases and TPS 30mm low rings. As I have jsut transitioned to all HDMR's I will try seekens lows (my barrels are medium palma and rem varmint).

Seekins lows will work with that Combo.

vliberatore
08-22-2013, 7:43 PM
thanks for the picture and advice, I'll see if fellow CGer still has them available, otherwise its back to scavenging haha

Just picked up a set off Snipers Hide. You might try there too.

Cypriss32
08-22-2013, 9:06 PM
Just picked up a set off Snipers Hide. You might try there too.

Much better sight for precision bolt gun stuff.

bombadillo
08-23-2013, 5:17 PM
From what you listed there, for base and rings, I LOVE my Murphy Precision made right here in CA and will cut it at whatever MOA you want/need. I also decided to drop a few more bucks on rings and was going with TPS/Seekins and switched out to American Rifle Company M10 rings. Those things are incredible with locking power like no other, won't mar up your scope, and unconditional lifetime guarantee. Really nice to have 2 screw mounting as well. No odd torque patterning or anything else, just a good torque driver and one bolt.

LynnJr
08-23-2013, 6:11 PM
You could always buy the rail and the scope and measure them on the for the rings so you don't have to buy twice.

Nevertipsy
08-29-2013, 11:15 AM
I pulled the trigger at Budsgunshop for the 5R, being shipped to an FFL in Huntington beach... excited as hell, just hope I dont miss something on the initial inspection...

postal
08-29-2013, 4:22 PM
Good barrel. Check
decent stock. check
has the bolt. check
crappy trigger. check

Yup. It's all good!:D

postal
08-29-2013, 4:25 PM
I ordered tps base (0 taper) and rings from swfa awhile back. Didnt realize they werent in stock. Waited 6? weeks....

It was okay though... I ordered the base and rings before I saved up for the scope itself. the base/rings came in before getting the scope.

Cypress- TPS has 34mm rings too. If you're happy with tps, they have them for the DMR's. Dont know how long you'll wait to get them though....

Ricky-Ray
08-29-2013, 4:52 PM
Thanks for the info. I bought the 700sps last year as a budget build but haven't done anything with it yet. This will give me a good starting point.

Thanks for posting.

Arnvil
08-29-2013, 9:11 PM
Well, I have a "budget" long range rifle...
1. Remington 700 "Sendero" in 7mm Mag. 26" heavy barrel $500, bought it from a friend.
2. SWFA 20x. Free helped out a friend.
3. Loopy long range base $30
4. Loopy mid-rings $50
5.Blackhawk bi-pod. Clearance at Wal-mart $35 ... please don't laugh
6. Witt Machine muzzle brake. $100
In total $715.00
Sub MOA with cheap ammo, also from Wal-mart .... at 100 yards.
but that's would I have.

Lucky Scott
08-29-2013, 10:00 PM
What did you think of the Witt Muzzle break? Did it make a difference, was it worth the money, can you tell that it is helping to reduce recoil?
Did you do any before and after shooting with the Witt?

Arnvil
08-29-2013, 11:33 PM
I noticed a difference, I feel it's about 40% less recoil, maybe a bit more. The machining is very well done. I looks a bit bulky at the end of the barrel, but I got used to it. It also helped me see the bullet impact.

It's a clamp-on brake, just to let you know, I wanted to keep the integrity of the rifle, in case I wanted to re-sell the gun.

My wife also ordered one for her .243 and she said it felt like a .22 mag. It felt like a .22LR to me. Her felt recoil reduction would be in the 60-70% range.

Arnvil
08-29-2013, 11:33 PM
I noticed a difference, I feel it's about 40% less recoil, maybe a bit more. The machining is very well done. I looks a bit bulky at the end of the barrel, but I got used to it. It also helped me see the bullet impact.

It's a clamp-on brake, just to let you know, I wanted to keep the integrity of the rifle, in case I wanted to re-sell the gun.

My wife also ordered one for her .243 and she said it felt like a .22 mag. It felt like a .22LR to me. Her felt recoil reduction would be in the 60-70% range.

Nevertipsy
09-26-2013, 4:22 PM
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/9957956473_544cd6f1e5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/103360865@N05/9957956473/)

It's took awhile, long ship time, 10 days in jail, but I finally got it!

But even greater news is, at 1am this morning my brother and his wife gave birth to a healthy baby girl, so I'm officially an uncle! hospital rules mandated I leave between 2-4pm, so I went and picked up my rifle before I head back :p

Thank you Calguns for all the advice and knowledge that you have bestowed upon me, the journey has just started, but it has been very enlightening!

Triad
09-28-2013, 6:18 PM
There is a ton of good info in this thread. I want to get into long range precision shooting and am bookmarking this thread.

I was thinking about going with the SPS Tactical...now I want to look for a good deal on a 5R

BCIII
09-28-2013, 8:58 PM
Not sure if you have your rifle yet, but for what it's worth..
I bought my first bolt gun, a Rem700 SPS Tactical and got a Nikon Pro-Staff. Out of the box, it shot extremely well achieving sub MOAs using hand loads.
I saved some money and got a detachable mag. Too hard for my fingers to load under the scope.
Saved a lot more money and put on a Nightforce NXS 3.5-15 X 56 with LV.5 reticle. I also dropped in a Shilen trigger. No other modifications or accurizing. No muzzle break.
The gun will do 800 easy. I can hit 1,000 with less consistency, but I can.
Don't worry about the 20" barrel. The Hogue stock might not be your favorite or ideal stock, but I don't believe, in my experience, it has been a detriment to the rifle.

My point, if I have one...I got to enjoy shooting the gun and learn the feel of it while I saved money to improve it. I swear to you, once I put that NF glass on it, it became a whole new rifle. After my first range day with that scope, I was grinning ear to ear!

NorCalFocus
09-28-2013, 10:37 PM
Congrats! You even got the stainless barrel. I wanted one really bad, but opted for what was in stock.

What glass have you decided on?

postal
09-29-2013, 3:35 PM
What did you think of the Witt Muzzle break? Did it make a difference, was it worth the money, can you tell that it is helping to reduce recoil?
Did you do any before and after shooting with the Witt?

Even with 308 a decent brake makes a noticable difference. It's a lot easier to recover and get back on target and see your impact as it happens.

I'm very happy with the schuler brake which you cant beat the price... They are threaded on, you need a threaded barrel or Randall (ar15barrels) or any gunsmith can do. I think I paid about $55 for my schuler with shipping.

Be aware they make the rifle a lot louder, and kick up dust when prone too.

Justintoxicated
09-30-2013, 4:04 PM
Depending on your use you might be able to get a real decent fixed magnification scope for a little more money. Or perhaps an SWFA 10x?

milotrain
09-30-2013, 4:35 PM
bushell 3200 10x is $200 and very nice.

tacticalcity
09-30-2013, 4:54 PM
Budget? What's that?

Nevertipsy
10-03-2013, 1:09 AM
Hey guys,

BCIII - I already got the rifle, mainly because of the extra barrel length and stainless action/barrel.

Norcal Focus - I got a vortex viper PST 6-24x50 FFP, it really hurt the wallet, I wont be eating out much this year haha. The lifetime warranty is really what sold me.

Special thanks to Oni, Randall, Iloveguns and everyone else on this thread for helping me put everything together and buy the right stuff.

Here's a picture of it... I might look into getting low rings in the future. I love it, and really look forward to zeroing and shooting this baby!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2808/10067070586_fbe33bf5e4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/103360865@N05/10067070586/)
r700 share size (http://www.flickr.com/photos/103360865@N05/10067070586/) by nevertipsy (http://www.flickr.com/people/103360865@N05/), on Flickr

ExtremeX
10-03-2013, 1:17 AM
Thanks for posting that rebate information… I didn’t even know they had a rebate going on right now.

You just saved me another $40!

And grats on completing the project.

Nevertipsy
10-03-2013, 1:35 AM
Thanks for posting that rebate information… I didn’t even know they had a rebate going on right now.

You just saved me another $40!

And grats on completing the project.

haha you are quite welcome, if only they offered the same rebate on the 5R!

bombadillo
10-03-2013, 10:51 AM
Hey guys,

BCIII - I already got the rifle, mainly because of the extra barrel length and stainless action/barrel.

Norcal Focus - I got a vortex viper PST 6-24x50 FFP, it really hurt the wallet, I wont be eating out much this year haha. The lifetime warranty is really what sold me.

Special thanks to Oni, Randall, Iloveguns and everyone else on this thread for helping me put everything together and buy the right stuff.

Here's a picture of it... I might look into getting low rings in the future. I love it, and really look forward to zeroing and shooting this baby!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2808/10067070586_fbe33bf5e4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/103360865@N05/10067070586/)
r700 share size (http://www.flickr.com/photos/103360865@N05/10067070586/) by nevertipsy (http://www.flickr.com/people/103360865@N05/), on Flickr


Other direction, but looks like my rifle's twin brother! :D


http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130523_211629_zps8c7b35f0.jpg

Nevertipsy
10-03-2013, 9:11 PM
Other direction, but looks like my rifle's twin brother! :D


http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130523_211629_zps8c7b35f0.jpg

haha nice, I need to put on my sunshade to look more similar =P

NorCalFocus
10-03-2013, 9:20 PM
I kinda wish I had gone with the Viper scope, but I'm happy with my $200 scope lol.

I also turned in my rebate too.

bombadillo
10-03-2013, 9:34 PM
Norcal focus, what scope did you get for $200

NorCalFocus
10-03-2013, 10:20 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/120712/vortex-crossfire-ii-rifle-scope-6-18x-44mm-adjustable-objective-dead-hold-bdc-reticle-matte

Vortex Crossfire II I'm really happy with it. The only thing I wish I would have gotten is something with target turrets with come up marks.

bombadillo
10-04-2013, 8:27 AM
Aaah, very cool. I have that on a .22lr "trainer" build that I made to set up as close to my 5R as I could get.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/Calguns%20-%20MVP%20file/20130624_182215_zps5d68c946.jpg

Its different because of the accutrigger, and deeper palm swell on the .22 stock, but all-in-all it is a great setup that is pretty close to my .308.

Nevertipsy
10-20-2013, 8:51 PM
Went to the range for the first time today, and got a lot of much appreciated mentoring from the folks of the CAPRC.

Range report, impressions, and lessons:
- Boresight your rifle
-.308 kicks like a mule, any guy on the internet who says the .308 is a cap gun is either the hulk, keyboard ninja, or really experienced.
-if you get the 5R... I would look into getting it threaded and having a brake installed. AR15Barrels can do that for you. If you go the SPS tactical route, still get a brake. (the ross schuler one will work great)
-I will continue to learn and hope to improve, despite not doing nearly as well as I had hoped.
-Having someone spot for you, and mentor you is paramount, if you dont have anyone.... look into joining a club like the CAPRC. They are very friendly and good people.
-As always, be safe, eyes and ears always, and really look into reloading to stretch your dollar when your budget is tight.

crazyalskn
10-20-2013, 9:25 PM
.300wm isn't all that bad..I have a rem 700wm, and a rem .308 pump, and my father has a .300wm...I've been shooting them all since I was about 12, and all 3 are pretty close to recoil IMO... I had a savage .338 for a bit...now that puppy will leave your shoulder sore..lol

NorCalFocus
10-21-2013, 4:53 PM
Shoot a 7mm or 300WSM, then you'll love the .308.

bombadillo
10-21-2013, 5:06 PM
.300wm isn't all that bad..I have a rem 700wm, and a rem .308 pump, and my father has a .300wm...I've been shooting them all since I was about 12, and all 3 are pretty close to recoil IMO... I had a savage .338 for a bit...now that puppy will leave your shoulder sore..lol


I can't believe you're comparing a .300 winchester magnum to a .308 winchester. Those cartridges are COMPLETELY different in terms of recoil. .308 has a much softer, but heavy push. The .300wm is like a sledgehammer in comparison.

http://atwelltactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/cerakote-026.jpg

Read this review on someone who got a heavy barreled .300wm and how it was for recoil. http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3794375.0

Nevertipsy
10-21-2013, 8:44 PM
I can't believe you're comparing a .300 winchester magnum to a .308 winchester. Those cartridges are COMPLETELY different in terms of recoil. .308 has a much softer, but heavy push. The .300wm is like a sledgehammer in comparison.

http://atwelltactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/cerakote-026.jpg

Read this review on someone who got a heavy barreled .300wm and how it was for recoil. http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3794375.0

Yeah I'm just a sissy =P but nevertheless, I almost went with .300wm because someone wrote on a forum that the .308 "felt like a cap gun" I was worried that the .308 would be too easy. I have much to learn ^^ (also comes to show the internet is no substitute for real EXP and everyone has their own opinion) :o

ar15barrels
10-21-2013, 9:45 PM
Yeah I'm just a sissy =P but nevertheless, I almost went with .300wm because someone wrote on a forum that the .308 "felt like a cap gun"

In general, don't believe what you read on the internet.
You might eventually find people that are trustworthy to listen to after having similar experiences to what those people post about.
After noting that your reality matches those people's realities, you can probably believe those people...

russ69
10-21-2013, 10:00 PM
....the .308 "felt like a cap gun" I was worried that the .308 would be too easy. I have much to learn ^^ (also comes to show the internet is no substitute for real EXP and everyone has their own opinion) :o

I've been trying to tell you guys about 6 and 6.5mms. My personal limit for a target gun is 243. Even though I shot an M1A for many years.

Motor Man
10-21-2013, 10:56 PM
False.

It's better to have the brake from day one.
Then you have the benefit of spotting all your own misses on steel.
Without the brake, the gun's recoil keeps you from seeing where the bullet impacts.

Get a 3 port muzzle brake from Ross Schuler for around $50 shipped.
http://www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com/ROSS_SCHULERS_PAGE.php
I can index it to your barrel.

What do you charge for threading a barrel and installing a muzzle brake?

ar15barrels
10-21-2013, 10:58 PM
What do you charge for threading a barrel and installing a muzzle brake?

$95 to thread, re-crown and index a Ross Schuler brake that you provide on a barrel that is 21" or longer.

ExtremeX
10-22-2013, 12:32 AM
$95 to thread, re-crown and index a Ross Schuler brake that you provide on a barrel that is 21" or longer.

I'm guessing that's the minimum length you need to work on the lathe without disassembly of the barrel from the action?

What happens to us that have an SPS Tactical 20" barrels?

ar15barrels
10-22-2013, 9:04 AM
I'm guessing that's the minimum length you need to work on the lathe without disassembly of the barrel from the action?

What happens to us that have an SPS Tactical 20" barrels?

Yes.
I can sometimes do 20" barrels without removal, but it depends on the action and the brake.
Shorter barrels are $40 more if I have to unscrew the barrel.

desert dog
10-22-2013, 9:11 AM
.308 kicks like a mule, any guy on the internet who says the .308 is a cap gun is either the hulk or a keyboard ninja

Rather than a "Hulk" or "Ninja", you can also use the term "experienced shooter". Trust me, the 308 is not a heavy recoiling round.

consider the following:

1) GET TRAINING = learn natural point of aim, trigger control, follow-through, breathing, and form. I watch shooters at the range every weekend who have been shooting their whole lives, but still don't know how to get behind a rifle. The difference that a little training makes is substantial. There are cheap precision rifle classes frequently all over California, usually just a long weekend for a lifetime of better shooting. Other things people add to their rifles to manage recoil are usually just bandaids for poor technique. The 308 will seem like a *****cat once you get proper training. My 14 year-old daughter shoots 308 all the time and has solid fundamentals.

2) MUZZLE BRAKES = muzzle brakes do work, at the expense of being extremely loud. The more effective the brake, the louder it is, so plan on upgrading your hearing protection. For a precision rifle, use a good brake like a little bastard, JEC, JP, or Badger. For a battle rifle, the surefire and BABC work great. Be mindful that some muzzle brakes might improve accuracy while others will negatively impact it.

3) RECOIL PAD = you can upgrade your recoil pad to a better one. I like the limbsavers when shooting prone because I have a tender collar bone on my primary side from two breaks. Watch the thickness though, as you don't want to create a horrible LOP.

Nevertipsy
10-23-2013, 6:58 PM
Rather than a "Hulk" or "Ninja", you can also use the term "experienced shooter". Trust me, the 308 is not a heavy recoiling round.

consider the following:

1) GET TRAINING = learn natural point of aim, trigger control, follow-through, breathing, and form. I watch shooters at the range every weekend who have been shooting their whole lives, but still don't know how to get behind a rifle. The difference that a little training makes is substantial. There are cheap precision rifle classes frequently all over California, usually just a long weekend for a lifetime of better shooting. Other things people add to their rifles to manage recoil are usually just bandaids for poor technique. The 308 will seem like a *****cat once you get proper training. My 14 year-old daughter shoots 308 all the time and has solid fundamentals.

2) MUZZLE BRAKES = muzzle brakes do work, at the expense of being extremely loud. The more effective the brake, the louder it is, so plan on upgrading your hearing protection. For a precision rifle, use a good brake like a little bastard, JEC, JP, or Badger. For a battle rifle, the surefire and BABC work great. Be mindful that some muzzle brakes might improve accuracy while others will negatively impact it.

3) RECOIL PAD = you can upgrade your recoil pad to a better one. I like the limbsavers when shooting prone because I have a tender collar bone on my primary side from two breaks. Watch the thickness though, as you don't want to create a horrible LOP.


Thank you for the advice, I have edited to be more correct (though I put that comment mostly for humor). I was firing prone so it did a number on my shoulder, a friend also recommended I get a limbsaver as well, but I think I'll try the brake first, and go from there.

flyingspur
08-18-2014, 4:11 PM
Good info, tag for later