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Prc329
12-18-2007, 8:14 PM
Any reason I should build one? What other cartridges should I consider in a long range round that won't break the bank?

30 06 sniper
12-18-2007, 8:17 PM
260 remington if loaded right it will exceed the ballistics of the 300 Win Mag

Cypriss32
12-18-2007, 8:19 PM
Your kidding right?
I got an 30-06 and shoot 210VLDS.
A good setup would be this:
28" 1-10TW Rock Flueted 5R barrel
Rem L/A
AICS 1.5 0R 2.0
5.5-22x 50mm NPR2 NF
30MOA seekens base

Id shoot 240GR MK, 208gr AMAX, 210gr VLDS. All have an BC of .640 or better, SMKS are over .7 BC whats not to like?

30 06 sniper
12-18-2007, 8:23 PM
read this http://www.snipercentral.com/260.htm

Prc329
12-18-2007, 8:24 PM
I have my trusty 308 but would love another type of round to play with. 260 looks interesting.

Cypriss32
12-18-2007, 8:27 PM
Good luck with that. 240gr SMKS @ 2850FPS, Smokes anything sub that, even 7WSM.

Prc329
12-18-2007, 8:32 PM
260 looks interesting because I want to build a 20" light weight rifle that I can carry. If it has relatively light recoil and can do some serious distance that would be interesting.

I am pretty sure I am misguided in my ideals but for some reason I do not have any interest in 30-06. I know it is a good round but it just doesn't interest me.

ocabj
12-18-2007, 8:40 PM
If you're going to go .260 Remington, you may as well be cutting edge and go 6.5 Creedmoor.

http://www.hornady.com/images/2008_sell_sheets/6-5_Creedmoor.pdf

30 06 sniper
12-18-2007, 8:40 PM
since you already have a 308 rifle you could switch the barrel of that rifle to one with a (,264) 6.5mm barrel the 260 is just a necked down 308 to accept a 6.5. bullet

rksimple
12-18-2007, 8:41 PM
243 win with 115 DTACs. BC of .585 at 3150 fps. No recoil, good brass available (no lapua for 260), and dies are common.

Adam, are you talking about getting 2850 with 240's in an '06??? Good luck with that!:D

Prc329
12-18-2007, 8:46 PM
Doesn't 243 have a rep of eating barrels?

ocabj
12-18-2007, 8:48 PM
The downside of the .243 is the short throat life. The amount of powder is nearly the same as a .260/.308, but burning in a smaller bore. If you go 6mm, you'll want a much shorter cartridge like 6mmBR or 6XC.

Prc329
12-18-2007, 8:49 PM
You guys always give me way to much o think about :D

rksimple
12-18-2007, 8:50 PM
You'll get about 2k out of the 243. About 4k out of the 260. There are no free lunches. Performance comes at a price. The 300 winny with hot loads and heavy bullets will eat up a barrel pretty quickly as well. If its for paper punching, the smaller 6mm bullet will be just fine. For animals, the 7's and 30 cals work better.

Cypriss32
12-18-2007, 8:52 PM
Im talking 300wm. Even better 300ultra is 2950.

Prc329
12-18-2007, 9:00 PM
I had a second to think so let me rephrase the question.

A round good for long range 1000 yards plus and 4 legged animals. Not sure what animal but eventually something with 4 legs.

30 06 sniper
12-18-2007, 9:01 PM
the 325 wsm is also a great long range cartrige with 180 grains 3,060fps and 200 grains 2,950fps

rksimple
12-18-2007, 9:29 PM
I had a second to think so let me rephrase the question.

A round good for long range 1000 yards plus and 4 legged animals. Not sure what animal but eventually something with 4 legs.

One that won't break the bank??? The 30-06 fits that bill. If you want to move up to mags, and stay with standard actions, the 7wsm, 300 and 338 RUM do pretty well. My buddy is getting a 338 LM put together at GAP right now. He's using a Surgeon action and a 5.5 contour Bartlein. He says its going to be his long range hunting rig. I'll report back after I shoot it.

rksimple
12-18-2007, 9:32 PM
Forgot to add...all of the wsm's have an uncanny ability to destroy barrels quickly. Some guys have burned up 7's in as little as 900 rounds. I'd say 1500 is what to expect. Again...theres no free lunch.

wildcard
12-18-2007, 9:35 PM
I got a used Remington 700 Sendero in 300WM (less than 500 rds fired) with 500 new Winchester Brass and 6 LB of RL-22 (was going to replicate the A191 load) i'd sell you for a good price. The barrel was cryoed and the bolt body is new from Remington. Ohh.. I also got a extra factory barrel. If you want it, i'd give you a seriously good deal on it all.

PistolPete75
12-18-2007, 9:45 PM
nayt, i have a feeling your going to start a new project soon. :0)

if your going to do another project, do a .243 with a 26inch barrel. when the throat is no good, just push the barrel back and rechamber.

also ask yourself this question. how often would you be shooting over 1k? answer would probably be not very often. rifle might be lonely if it doesn't get any attention.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 1:14 AM
No love for the 7mm magnum?
Look closely at the 162gr Amax at 3000fps and get back to me in the morning. ;)

Cypriss32
12-19-2007, 5:07 AM
He said 1k for animals......Kinda crazy and 300win with 240s is the least id use. Prolly build an 338lapua or 338edge with 300gr MKS.

rksimple
12-19-2007, 7:41 AM
No love for the 7mm magnum?
Look closely at the 162gr Amax at 3000fps and get back to me in the morning. ;)

If its for paper punching, its no better than the 243 with DTACs (BC .585 at 3150 fps). And you burn more powder and get more recoil with the 7. If its for animals, its much better out to 7 or 800. For animals (deer and larger) at 1000, a 338 would be better yet.

Nayt, were you talking about animals out to 1000? Or just paper to 1000 and animals closer?

metalhead357
12-19-2007, 7:46 AM
maybe just me-- but I'll stick to the vantage point of whatever you're most likely to find on a store shelf in the middle of B.F.E.

Between the 260 and 300. I'd say 300; but I'm jaded, opinionated and biased. I've had a 300 for forever and have rarely shot the thing simply due to what you too were asking--> what WONT break the bank.....

So NOT knowing the cost(s) of reloading the 260 vs the 300 I'm back to arguing for the 300 in that.......its happened to me and several of my friends......is you make it out hunting only to find you've left your ammo at home:eek::chris:. So you find some mom/pop shop at the butt crack of dawn that sells ammo--->whattaya think they're gonna have on the shelves? Between the two (260 and 300) I dont think there's any question.

But back on the 260....if you aint reloading...or heck; even if you are; do you really want to have to neck down cases?

Remember the military principle of K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid. The 260 may come of age....but the 300 is already there.

One could also argue the bigger is better syndrome: but I think you can figure where I'll stand on that issue too;)

ocabj
12-19-2007, 7:56 AM
I still think you should go with 6.5 Creedmoor, 6mmBR, or even 6.5x55.

300WM and .243 both burn throat faster than most. 300WM is a lot more expensive to shoot due to powder charge weights and brass prices. Given the choice between 300WM and .243, I'd get .243 with a 1:8 twist barrel.

Prc329
12-19-2007, 8:09 AM
If its for paper punching, its no better than the 243 with DTACs (BC .585 at 3150 fps). And you burn more powder and get more recoil with the 7. If its for animals, its much better out to 7 or 800. For animals (deer and larger) at 1000, a 338 would be better yet.

Nayt, were you talking about animals out to 1000? Or just paper to 1000 and animals closer?

I won't be in Africa no time soon so I doubt it will be any animal shots at 1000 :D

Mainly paper/steel at 1000 (when possible) and if my wife ever lets me go with you guys hunting then closer.

metalhead357
12-19-2007, 8:11 AM
300WM and .243 both burn throat faster than most. .

Compared to what? Vs. 30-06 and 270 I'd say you're right....but not in comparison to some of the newbie Short-mag versions out there.

But the rest of your post I cant argue with too much....300 is expensive and hence why mine gets shot so little......

Prc329
12-19-2007, 8:17 AM
I'm kinda liking the idea of sticking with a round that I can get off the shelf just in case I don't have time to load anything. The 243 seems interesting a little. Need to read on it more. BTW we are talking 243 win and not 243 WSSM correct?

I may pick up an SPS Varmint and mess around with it till I need to rebarrel it.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 8:45 AM
I'm kinda liking the idea of sticking with a round that I can get off the shelf just in case I don't have time to load anything.

Any of the SAAMI accepted cartridges will fit that bill.
You are not going to find the good target bullets in those factory loads except in a 308.

Also, are you really going to take a target weight gun big game hunting?
Really?

metalhead357
12-19-2007, 8:55 AM
I'm kinda liking the idea of sticking with a round that I can get off the shelf just in case I don't have time to load anything. The 243 seems interesting a little. Need to read on it more. BTW we are talking 243 win and not 243 WSSM correct?

I would assume he meant the non-mag standard 243. Good lil' round for deer....small deer. My buddy just sold off a rem 700 in 243 as he was just not happy with two things on the gun & round; the gun didn't have the bottom drop floor plate and in his opinion the 243 just didn't have enough weight for bigger deer to anchor them down when hit.

Personally...when I think of 243 nowadays after years of hunting with him and seeing what it did on deer I tend to agree. I oft remarked to him IMO the 243 was simply muck like a 7.62x39---> save the bullet was smaller and the trajectory faster, flatter and longer; I know its an oversimplification:chris: but it it had a twofold result-- he sold the 243 and uses a x39 now for the smaller deer and a 270 WSM for longer ranges and bigger deer.

243 IS cheaper to shoot......... just doesnt have that elusive *knockdown* that the 30 cal guns seem to have.......

Prc329
12-19-2007, 8:56 AM
I know we had that talk before but I kinda want something that can fill multiple roles and not be in 308 since I have one and a second one in the planning stages. I am looking for a medium to lightweight rifle. I'm not looking for .2 moa accuracy but sub moa would be nice. M current rifle is around 18 lbs. I want to build a rifle that I can use if I get bored of the big heavy prone rifle.

Basically I want a rifle to complement my 308 that I am planning that will not be a 223 and be capable of long range performance and if I get the opportunity will take a deer or 2. I plan on the rifle being between 10 and 12 pounds. If I can get lighter that will be nice. I have barrel ideas and such but nothing set in stone.

metalhead357
12-19-2007, 8:57 AM
Also, are you really going to take a target weight gun big game hunting?
Really?

LOL! I got soooooooooo much crap from friends when I fielded a .308 Rem 700 VSSF.... it DID the job, but ya' got a workout just lugging it around all day!!!!

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 9:12 AM
I fielded a .308 Rem 700 VSSF.... it DID the job, but ya' got a workout just lugging it around all day!!!!

Would you do it again?
Was it worth carrying?

Sgt Raven
12-19-2007, 9:13 AM
Just go magnum length action and a .300 H&H, the best .30 cal. ever made. And if that's not enough, then blow it out to .300 H&H AI. :p

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 9:13 AM
Basically I want a rifle to complement my 308 that I am planning that will not be a 223 and be capable of long range performance and if I get the opportunity will take a deer or 2. I plan on the rifle being between 10 and 12 pounds. If I can get lighter that will be nice. I have barrel ideas and such but nothing set in stone.

Build a 260 that weighs less than 9lbs with scope.

metalhead357
12-19-2007, 9:16 AM
Would you do it again?
Was it worth carrying?

For Muley regions- you betcha. Like having the distance factor of the .308 and the weight for a steady shot......For blacktail country where I've been hunting the last few years; simply not worth the weight-- furthest shots might be 250((at the very furthest and not too many of those)) with most well under 100 so the x39 does just fine for me.

metalhead357
12-19-2007, 9:23 AM
maybe this would be the right plavce to mention/ask.

Why no love for the 8mm? I mean that is a decent round and surplus ammo is plentiful <<for now>> and the hunting weights will take down pretty much anything in North America.

I aint looked at a chart- but aint the 8mm a further-reacher than the '06????

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 9:27 AM
Why no love for the 8mm? I mean that is a decent round and surplus ammo is plentiful

Not many high quality guns.
Military ammo is not that accurate.
The ammo is not necessarily good for hunting when compared to commercial hunting ammo.

Of course it would work in-a-pinch, but it's just not a "first choice" cartridge.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 10:27 AM
Would you do it again?
Was it worth carrying?

Dude.. I've hunted with my 700P.. it is WAY too heavy to be hiking around the mountains with. Of course now I have a Eberlestock which makes the weight not as much of an issue. The trade off is the expediency of having the rifle on a sling.

But for the record.. I'll be using the Sendero or a Thompson Contender for future hunting trips.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 10:57 AM
Thompson Contender

:)

Now you're talking.
I have a decent collection of contenders and encores.
I was working on TC barrels before AR-15 barrels.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 11:05 AM
:)

Now you're talking.
I have a decent collection of contenders and encores.
I was working on TC barrels before AR-15 barrels.

Thinking about slapping on a 6.5 Grendel Barrel on it fron SSK. I need $400!

Sgt Raven
12-19-2007, 11:21 AM
For Muley regions- you betcha. Like having the distance factor of the .308 and the weight for a steady shot......For blacktail country where I've been hunting the last few years; simply not worth the weight-- furthest shots might be 250((at the very furthest and not too many of those)) with most well under 100 so the x39 does just fine for me.
For the western US if I had to pick one rifle out of my safe it would be my custom wickliffe rifle, single shot, falling block, and in .375 H&H. Yes its 13.5 lbs but could take anything up to elk or big bears.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 11:45 AM
Thinking about slapping on a 6.5 Grendel Barrel on it fron SSK. I need $400!

The Grendel is too much for a Contender.
Get an encore or down-load the Grendel if you must have it on a contender.
Factory grendel loads are not safe in a contender.

rksimple
12-19-2007, 11:46 AM
Basically I want a rifle to complement my 308 that I am planning that will not be a 223 and be capable of long range performance and if I get the opportunity will take a deer or 2. I plan on the rifle being between 10 and 12 pounds. If I can get lighter that will be nice. I have barrel ideas and such but nothing set in stone.

The 243 win would be great. Get a McMillan HTG stock with light fill, a 5 contour barrel, fluted and cut to 24 inches. Should be pretty light for a double duty rifle.

The 243 will anchor most any deer in California, especially with the heavy bullets slung fast. Keep your shots to within 300 and it won't be a problem at all.

If you don't mind the relative unpopularity of the 260, its a great cartridge. 139gr Scenars at 2850 is a great LR load. You get more barrel life than the 243 and more bullet options for deer. You could also look at the 6.5x47 Lapua and have great brass available from the get-go. Too many options...

goldy1
12-19-2007, 12:45 PM
i carried my remington 700 pss 300 win mag hiking the mountians for more than 6 hours a day every weekend during hunting season. it was a workout but it would have been worth it if i had gotten a shot off. i have a 300 yd zero with 180gn noslers. a 300 is alot of money to reload vs a 308 (or 308 based round). i buy powder by the pound (varget forthe 308 and h1000 for the 300), and the varget last for over 120 rounds and the h1000 only does around 70-80. i wish i had listened to the guys at the gun shop when i got the 300 and bought the 308 insted.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 12:47 PM
All you guys that are talking about the cost of reloading a magnum expensive make me laugh.
I have a 50 BMG.
It makes everything else seem like a "deal". ;)

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 12:56 PM
per what Ryan would say, it's not the bow it's the indian.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 1:05 PM
per what Ryan would say, it's not the bow it's the indian.

True only up to a certain point. I bet that an Indian with a compound bow will outshoot an Indian with a recurve bow :) I just thought of that one..

wildcard
12-19-2007, 1:07 PM
i carried my remington 700 pss 300 win mag hiking the mountians for more than 6 hours a day every weekend during hunting season. it was a workout but it would have been worth it if i had gotten a shot off. i have a 300 yd zero with 180gn noslers. a 300 is alot of money to reload vs a 308 (or 308 based round). i buy powder by the pound (varget forthe 308 and h1000 for the 300), and the varget last for over 120 rounds and the h1000 only does around 70-80. i wish i had listened to the guys at the gun shop when i got the 300 and bought the 308 insted.

By the pound? The only thing that's good for is the smaller container to keep close at hand. You need to buy by the jugs! Anyone know why Alliant sells only in 5lbs jugs instead of 8 lbs?

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 1:11 PM
By the pound? The only thing that's good for is the smaller container to keep close at hand. You need to buy by the jugs! Anyone know why Alliant sells only in 5lbs jugs instead of 8 lbs?


to make you buy more powder.

rksimple
12-19-2007, 1:11 PM
True only up to a certain point. I bet that an Indian with a compound bow will outshoot an Indian with a recurve bow :) I just thought of that one..

Or an indian with a KMW .243 topped with a US optics, slingin' DTACs at 3100fps not outshooting some shmuck indian with a savage 308 topped with a bushnell 3200 10x. I've seen it happen...its the indian...really...a really lucky indian...:D

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 1:15 PM
is anyone working today, or are we all just borred? xmas is coming in way too fast. must be that time of the year.

rksimple
12-19-2007, 1:18 PM
is anyone working today, or are we all just borred? xmas is coming in way too fast. must be that time of the year.

No, I'm working and bored. I've got a bridge coming up at 1:30 and an implant later this afternoon. Besides those, its just the same ol' same ol'.

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 1:19 PM
i'm picking up my rifle this saturday. that's my xmas gift from my wife.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 1:22 PM
No, I'm working and bored. I've got a bridge coming up at 1:30 and an implant later this afternoon. Besides those, its just the same ol' same ol'.

I've always wondered what a implant feels like compared to the real thing.. send one my way!

After friday.. I ain't working for 11 days :)

wildcard
12-19-2007, 1:22 PM
i'm picking up my rifle this saturday. that's my xmas gift from my wife.

Haha.. what's the present? She paying for it or just letting you have it? :) Sweet deal either way though!

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 1:25 PM
Haha.. what's the present? She paying for it or just letting you have it? :) Sweet deal either way though!

she asked me what i wanted for xmas, and i told her that the rifle can be my gift. and then i said my uso scope would be my bday present. i'll probably have to wait till march to get it anyways. something to look forward to. turn times have been up to 8 months!

wildcard
12-19-2007, 1:27 PM
Or an indian with a KMW .243 topped with a US optics, slingin' DTACs at 3100fps not outshooting some shmuck indian with a savage 308 topped with a bushnell 3200 10x. I've seen it happen...its the indian...really...a really lucky indian...:D

True that. I once came across an indian shooting a .308 Savage topped with a $1300 IOR while I was shooting a lowly 700P with a Super Sniper.. that indian claimed his scope was busted and it was just mounted though :)

rksimple
12-19-2007, 1:33 PM
True that. I once came across an indian shooting a .308 Savage topped with a $1300 IOR while I was shooting a lowly 700P with a Super Sniper.. that indian claimed his scope was busted and it was just mounted though :)

Sucks on that scope. One dude blew his apart in 9 rounds from a 300 rum. They sent him a new one and it only lasted 40 or so. They say they have the problem corrected, but this time I'm going to wait for the real world reports before I jump on it again. Besides, the S&B may spoil me!

wildcard
12-19-2007, 1:40 PM
Sucks on that scope. One dude blew his apart in 9 rounds from a 300 rum. They sent him a new one and it only lasted 40 or so. They say they have the problem corrected, but this time I'm going to wait for the real world reports before I jump on it again. Besides, the S&B may spoil me!

You going to the January match in Vegas?
I wonder when the next APS match is..

rksimple
12-19-2007, 1:43 PM
You going to the January match in Vegas?
I wonder when the next APS match is..

Most likely. I'm going to SHOT as well as the match that saturday.

Pete-you goin'? I need to book a room at Pete's Place Hotel

wildcard
12-19-2007, 1:45 PM
Most likely. I'm going to SHOT as well as the match that saturday.

Pete-you goin'? I need to book a room at Pete's Place Hotel

Isn't the SHOT show one in February? I know I'm going to that one!

We need to have a boys night out this time :)

Prc329
12-19-2007, 1:57 PM
I've always wondered what a implant feels like compared to the real thing.. send one my way!

After friday.. I ain't working for 11 days :)

Same here and I probably won't be able to spend any of it shooting :(

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 2:06 PM
Same here and I probably won't be able to spend any of it shooting :(

I'm off too.
Whoever has the time/money, we should do a desert day and shoot some 800-1200yd targets. :)

metalhead357
12-19-2007, 2:16 PM
is anyone working today, or are we all just borred? xmas is coming in way too fast. must be that time of the year.


Hey now-- I'm Working HERE...you guys are sometimes a CHORE to deal with:p Nah, my vaction's started; sleep, paying bills and waiting my 10 day waits on two bang bangs and christmas shopping is my only job(s) for this week.:D

wildcard
12-19-2007, 2:18 PM
I'm off too.
Whoever has the time/money, we should do a desert day and shoot some 800-1200yd targets. :)

Just point/ lead the way and i'll be there. Except x-mas morning.. I'm going to see Alien Versus Predator: Requiem! :)

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 2:22 PM
Just point/ lead the way and i'll be there.

I'm thinking thursday after christmas, but I don't really know where to go.
The white rocks at 725yds or so on the angeles range are boring to me now.
I'll see if I can borrow some armor plates to shoot at.

Sgt Raven
12-19-2007, 2:54 PM
I'm thinking thursday after christmas, but I don't really know where to go.
The white rocks at 725yds or so on the angeles range are boring to me now.I'll see if I can borrow some armor plates to shoot at.

If those are the ones I remember from going there in '72 then try them with a hand gun. :rolleyes:

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 2:58 PM
i don't know if i'm going to any matches early next year. my schedule is really tight now. we'll see though.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 3:02 PM
i don't know if i'm going to any matches early next year. my schedule is really tight now. we'll see though.

We can do a one day turnaround!

Oh crap.. I just realized those matches are on Saturdays huh?

rksimple
12-19-2007, 4:46 PM
Randall-there are a couple places for long range out here by me. Its about an hour and 45 minutes from your place. You could do 2000 meters if you were up to it.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 4:53 PM
Randall-there are a couple places for long range out here by me. Its about an hour and 45 minutes from your place. You could do 2000 meters if you were up to it.

Let's do it. When you free between Dec 29 - Jan 2?

Prc329
12-19-2007, 5:21 PM
Hmm, figure out what day, I may be able to go.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 6:10 PM
Randall-there are a couple places for long range out here by me. Its about an hour and 45 minutes from your place. You could do 2000 meters if you were up to it.

I need to load some more 50, but 1200-1500yds sounds like fun. :)

Pthfndr
12-19-2007, 6:45 PM
This is what you need. Swede Mauser M41b. 6.5x55. Will take anything in the lower 48 except bear. Good commercial hunting ammo by several manufacturers. Hornaday light magnum is the hottest. Sub moa performance. Will shoot out to 1000 yards for paper and steel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/Pthfndr/M41bOb1a.jpg

And it has back up iron sights if you need them!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/Pthfndr/M41bOb2a.jpg

rksimple
12-19-2007, 7:36 PM
Let's do it. When you free between Dec 29 - Jan 2?

Tomorrow's my last day and I'm off till the second. Anytime in there is good.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 7:41 PM
Tomorrow's my last day and I'm off till the second. Anytime in there is good.

Friday is my last day until the 2nd.
I'll be shooting matches every weekend day if I can help it.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 7:45 PM
Tomorrow's my last day and I'm off till the second. Anytime in there is good.

Sweet. Weekday sound good? Heck.. I still got a bear tag!

rksimple
12-19-2007, 7:48 PM
Sweet. Weekday sound good? Heck.. I still got a bear tag!

Dang! I forgot all about bear hunting! Come on up on a weekday and we'll go hunt. Pete-if you can get away, come on up too for a little black bear hunting.

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 7:50 PM
Dang! I forgot all about bear hunting! Come on up on a weekday and we'll go hunt. Pete-if you can get away, come on up too for a little black bear hunting.

that's sounds like fun. when?

wildcard
12-19-2007, 8:03 PM
Dang! I forgot all about bear hunting! Come on up on a weekday and we'll go hunt. Pete-if you can get away, come on up too for a little black bear hunting.

Let's select a weekend right now. Dec. 28 - 30? I couldn't imagine a better way to start the new year :)

Prc329
12-19-2007, 8:06 PM
I'd love to join you guys but the wife pulled the no hunting/sleeping on couch card.

rksimple
12-19-2007, 8:07 PM
Weekdays are better. 26-28th would be best. The ranch is only 60 miles or so from Tehachapi.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 8:07 PM
I have my hunting license, but nobody invites me... :(

rksimple
12-19-2007, 8:14 PM
I have my hunting license, but nobody invites me... :(

You need a bear tag, too. In fact, I have to check the DFG website to see if bear season is still open. They'll close it after a certain number of bears are reported taken.

wildcard
12-19-2007, 8:17 PM
Weekdays are better. 26-28th would be best. The ranch is only 60 miles or so from Tehachapi.

Works for me!

wildcard
12-19-2007, 8:18 PM
I have my hunting license, but nobody invites me... :(

What do you do with your hunting license then?

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 8:19 PM
You need a bear tag, too. In fact, I have to check the DFG website to see if bear season is still open. They'll close it after a certain number of bears are reported taken.

I'm actually not interested in shooting a bear.
I don't cook and I can't afford a taxidermist.
I just like bumming around the woods.
Now a pig could be used up pretty easily if we roasted it over a fire for dinner...

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 8:20 PM
What do you do with your hunting license then?

Having a hunting license allows you to "plink" in many areas under the premise of small game hunting.
I'm a REALLY bad shot.
I always shoot at small game and end up just hitting rocks and pine cones... ;)

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 8:25 PM
let's do it!

StraightShooter
12-19-2007, 8:29 PM
Would you do it again?
Was it worth carrying?

I hunted black bear in Alaska in some increadibly steep and mountainous/dense terrain with a 12 pound .243 remington 700, heavy contour shilen barrel. It was pretty tough carrying it around but what made it al worth it was putting a shot right between the eyes at 380 yds. If you think hauling that gun around was hard, it was ten times harder getting that bear off the mountain in freezing rain. But I would do it again. Its better to be able to place a shot that kills instantly than having to track a wounded bear through dense alder patches. I am a young guy though, my dad said to heck with trying to keep up with me.

Your question is exactly the one i asked a while back. Right now I am saving up to build a .300wm with a Mike rock barrel and AICS. I dont think you can go wrong with this setup as long as you can afford the reloads.

rksimple
12-19-2007, 9:20 PM
let's do it!

You guys just let me know when. Here's some pics of the hunting grounds:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_6714.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/Cabin3.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/RollerCoasterRoad.jpg

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 9:24 PM
You guys just let me know when.

Any varmints in them thar prairies?

wildcard
12-19-2007, 9:25 PM
You guys just let me know when. Here's some pics of the hunting grounds:


26th - 28th?

Cypriss32
12-19-2007, 9:28 PM
RK ill take you up on your offer about shooting.... When you want me tocome up?

Prc329
12-19-2007, 9:31 PM
You guys just let me know when. Here's some pics of the hunting grounds:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_6714.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/Cabin3.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/RollerCoasterRoad.jpg[

Very nice looking place there.

ar15barrels
12-19-2007, 9:33 PM
26th - 28th?

Best time for me right there.

rksimple
12-19-2007, 9:34 PM
Any varmints in them thar prairies?

Not near as many as I'd like. Its great for coyotes and bobcats, but squirrels aren't too plentiful.

Adam-whenever. I'm good most any day except sunday. There are quite a few places close.

PistolPete75
12-19-2007, 11:06 PM
yep awesome place! i can only shoot for 1 day though. man o' man, those pictures are getting my juices flowing.

hey nayt, did you order those lupua brasses yet? just wondering.

Prc329
12-19-2007, 11:17 PM
I got my 500 already. Did you need some?

PistolPete75
12-20-2007, 9:25 AM
I got my 500 already. Did you need some?

if you don't mind, can you break me off a hundred?

Prc329
12-20-2007, 9:26 AM
I'll PM you.

wildcard
12-20-2007, 10:02 AM
if you don't mind, can you break me off a hundred?

I still got 90+ of Black Hills Match brass that I need to give you.

PistolPete75
12-20-2007, 10:48 AM
I still got 90+ of Black Hills Match brass that I need to give you.

I'LL TAKE IT! :0)

hypertex
12-21-2007, 12:57 PM
the 325 wsm is also a great long range cartrige with 180 grains 3,060fps and 200 grains 2,950fps

Also check out 8mm Remington Magnum if you're going the 8mm route.

Vu 308
12-25-2007, 8:54 PM
Any reason I should build one? What other cartridges should I consider in a long range round that won't break the bank?

PP75,

I believe every man should have a 308win in his safe...along with that he should also have a nice magnum caliber.

300WM is a great choice that is not TOO expensive to shoot vs some of the others out there.

With Sierra new 210gn 30cal bullet the 300WM is a solid 1200yard gun.....a guy in Reno I know hit a 1200yard gong 4 out of 5.

The 190s fly solid out to that range also for a lil $$$$ than the 210s.

Brass for a 300WM is not that bad unless you buy Lapua.

Winchester brass works fine for me. You can also buy once fired Blackhills match when you can find it.

1lbs of powder will get you less than 100 rounds...takes a lot more to feed the 300WM than your 308.

A lot of guys are going to the lil mouse guns like .243 and 260rem (including myself) for the game but the 300WM has great knock down power.

243 and the 260s barely knock down Rams at 500meters.

Cons: Recoil...even with a brake I only like to put about 60 rounds a day through mine and still be able to watch my trace go down range. After that I get a headache.

Barrel life: Nothing near a 308...if you push it hard you will get less than 2500 before you see the barrel go.

Sucks to shoot matches on a hot day with them...tons of barrel mirage. They heat up fast and take a while to cool.

Pros: Great knock down power if you ever plan to do LR hunting. I plan to take Elk with mine next year. Going to push 200gn Accubonds.

Great dedicated LR rig. I normally only shoot mine at 800 900 1K and in the desert where I can really stretch her legs.

A lot cheaper than your 338s and other larger magnums to feed and shoot.

Pretty easy to load for.

Recoil isn't too bad.

A wide range of bullet weights can be used with a 1:10 barrel. Different bullets for whatever you want to do.

Prc329
12-27-2007, 10:35 PM
I've pretty much decided on a 300 win mag. It will be a lot easier to feed with factory ammo if I don't have time to reload. I just gotta get my 308 finished first and then decide on the stock for my 300. I'll probably end up with a long action AICS since I like the one I have so much.