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pete1163
12-15-2007, 10:30 PM
I am in the market to purchase a good Back-Up/Off duty weapon. I carry a Sig P226 while on duty. What guns out there would you guys suggest for me to look into?

hitman13
12-15-2007, 10:33 PM
XD subcompact in 9mm or 40

boogak
12-15-2007, 10:34 PM
kahr pm9

MilSpec.45
12-15-2007, 10:34 PM
Kahr PM9.

CSACANNONEER
12-15-2007, 10:37 PM
Whatever you are most comfortable and proficient with. Also, check with your department, they may have guidelines about on duty back ups.

Moonclip
12-15-2007, 11:46 PM
If you like the SIg Sauer platform consider a P239. I very much like mine in 9mm. It would be a good idea to have a backup/of duty weapon that mirrors your full size piece in operation.

Mac
12-16-2007, 2:12 AM
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savageevo
12-16-2007, 8:22 AM
glock 27, thats what I will be getting. than again a springfield armory micro compact would be nice but so is the price.

Quiet
12-16-2007, 8:55 AM
Also, check with your department, they may have guidelines about on duty back ups.

+1 on this.

tyrist
12-16-2007, 9:00 AM
For backup I would go with a revolver since there is no chance of jamming due to dust/dirt/lint it will pick up in your pocket. I have a titanium smith and wesson 342 loaded will gold speer .38 spl +p hallow points. It is light weight and very comfortable; so I actually carry it. If you select something that is heavy or uncomfortable you won't carry it and then what good is it sitting at home. Also remember if you go to your backup you are likely shooting off hand. Just something to keep in mind. The 342 is extremely uncomfortable to shoot and I always seem to need a band aid after a couple hundred rounds.

For off duty a glock 23 is very nice. It is small, easily concealed and has a 13 round magazine. I don't know about your department but most of the time if you use non approved firearms in a good shooting you just get some "training" as discipline. Not a big enough deal to prevent you from carrying whatever you want.

PonchoTA
12-16-2007, 11:06 AM
KelTec PF-9! As LEO, you can get these, for some reason, us lowly silly-villians can't. :mad:

I LOVE my P-11, but the PF-9 is that much MORE concealable and able to be worn more comfortably.


Any LEO's out there want to buy one, then resale to me??? :D:D:D

N6ATF
12-16-2007, 12:31 PM
Whatever you are most comfortable and proficient with. Also, check with your department, they may have guidelines about on duty back ups.

:kest:

retired
12-16-2007, 4:30 PM
I don't know about your department but most of the time if you use non approved firearms in a good shooting you just get some "training" as discipline.

And if it is a questionable shooting, your dept. may not provide a legal defense if you are out of policy on the firearm.

When I was in patrol, I carried a S&W Model 60. This is the old one, it is only a .38. I had the hammer bobbed so it wouldn't catch on the pants.

My former dept. was (probably still is) restrictive when it came to off duty/back up weapons. We could carry a Beretta Cougar, but not the Mini Cougar.

As far as the XDSC, now that I'm retired, I carry the SC9 in a IWB holster for ccw. It is an excellent gun, despite what a lot of Glock Talkers may say, but it would be difficult I believe to carry in your pocket as a backup on duty. Perhaps in a vest type holster.

If the small Sig works, I'd go with that for the reasons Moonclip gave.

If you want a revolver, I'd recommend S&W only because I'm familiar with them and like them. I wouldn't go with an alloy one tho; who needs the pain when having to qualify with them. I used to qualify with my 60 and it never hurt to do so. Good luck.

TacFan
12-16-2007, 4:54 PM
kahr pm9 or pm40

Moonclip
12-16-2007, 5:43 PM
Nothing wrong with the snub revolver if allowed. I actually know of a department that only allows semi autos as backups.

MedSpec65
12-16-2007, 6:26 PM
I've ben asking myself the same question for a few months now. I've decided it's going to be the Series 90 Colt Defender (.45ACP) A host of Gun Shop owners insist it's the compact autoloader with the fewest problems after sale. I've seen pictures of some modified with drop-in beavertails and grip safeties by Wilson (#429SC); also slimmer grips, such as alumagrips. I'd do the same. Around $860.00 though, not cheap.

hitman13
12-16-2007, 7:32 PM
As far as the XDSC, now that I'm retired, I carry the SC9 in a IWB holster for ccw. It is an excellent gun, despite what a lot of Glock Talkers may say, but it would be difficult I believe to carry in your pocket as a backup on duty. Perhaps in a vest type holster.


if im not wearing mine IWB then i wear it in my pocket on my cargo pants / shorts or in my jacket pocket.

5968
12-16-2007, 9:02 PM
kahr pm9 or pm40

+1 I would take a look at these for sure. They are small, light weight and very accurate. The Sig P239 would be a natural transition for you. It is a little bigger then the Kahr, but I wouldn't hesitate to carry one. Retired also brought up the good ole Mod 60. It is another great gun if you would prefer a revolver. If you get the chance, shoot all of them and see what feels the best and you can soot accurately. Just make sure the gun you choose is authorized by your department.

chiefcrash
12-16-2007, 10:53 PM
CZ-82

fal_762x51
12-16-2007, 11:03 PM
I carry a PA-63 when I go to movies, dining, plays, etc with the lady. I like the ease of conceal with an IWB holster, works well with a tucked in shirt. When I'm going to and from work I pack the 1911 GI in a Serpa holster.

Gry101
12-17-2007, 8:29 AM
Carry the 226 off duty too. Get a J frame as a BUG or a 229/239. I carry a 220 and a J frame as a civilian CCW.

Andrew

JeffM
12-17-2007, 2:48 PM
I really like my PM9. Shoots strait.

retired
12-17-2007, 4:50 PM
if im not wearing mine IWB then i wear it in my pocket on my cargo pants / shorts or in my jacket pocket.

hitman, that is why I was referring only to on duty. Most uniform pants, unless they are working a special unit, don't have pockets large enough to comfortably carry the SC; especially while sitting in a car for hours.

Off duty not a problem with cargo pants I guess, tho I haven't tried it. I wear my IWB Crossbreed Super Tuck all of the time.

rivviepop
12-17-2007, 7:05 PM
kahr pm9

Only because boogak said this... our local FFL does a very large business with all the LEO outfits in the area and the employees have mentioned to me (when I asked why so many on the shelf) the Kahr PM9 is the #1 backup weapon of choice here in SF. The FFL stocks at least 4-6 on the shelf and I know they order the PM40s upon request.

(I'm not LEO so no personal opinion on the matter, just sharing some 411)

Mac
12-18-2007, 2:29 PM
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homerm14
12-18-2007, 5:49 PM
If you like the SIg Sauer platform consider a P239. I very much like mine in 9mm. It would be a good idea to have a backup/of duty weapon that mirrors your full size piece in operation.

I agree. If you carry a 226 on duty you might want to carry something similar off duty. Look at the 239,229,and 225 if you can find a decent one.

1911su16b870
12-18-2007, 6:52 PM
I agree. If you carry a 226 on duty you might want to carry something similar off duty. Look at the 239,229,and 225 if you can find a decent one.

+2 226, 239 etceter sig...:D

I like the Glock 26 because IMO I shoot it well and the mag holds 10 +Ps.

Moonclip
12-19-2007, 3:11 AM
I have a P225 as well, I actually like the P239 a little better. I reccomended the P239 because the P225 and the others are kind of large for a backup, I suppose you could also consider the .380acp P230 or P232.

I read an account once of a San Diego area cop who carried a P225 as a full duty piece.

JeffM
12-19-2007, 3:29 AM
... our local FFL does a very large business with all the LEO outfits in the area and the employees have mentioned to me (when I asked why so many on the shelf) the Kahr PM9 is the #1 backup weapon of choice here in SF. The FFL stocks at least 4-6 on the shelf ...

Got mine from High Bridge and I got the same story. This is when the PM9 was relatively new and they couldn't keep them on the shelf.

1911_sfca
12-19-2007, 11:50 AM
I carry the P226 on duty and the P239 is my primary CCW. Kahr PM9 is also a good choice. You didn't give enough information to give specific recommendations but that's a start.

rivviepop
12-19-2007, 12:39 PM
Got mine from High Bridge and I got the same story. This is when the PM9 was relatively new and they couldn't keep them on the shelf.

haha that's who I was alluding to, HBA is "our local FFL". Maybe we'll meet in the shop someday just like I did with boogak this past Saturday. :) It's kinda neat to run into other calgunners in the wild...

maxicon
12-19-2007, 1:09 PM
The P239 would be a logical choice, since it's similar to your regular duty weapon, but it's still pretty heavy and a bit bulky.

I had one, didn't like it, and traded it for a Kahr PM9. I like the PM9 a lot more - it's more accurate for me, lighter, flatter, and simpler.

My P239 was 32.1 oz with 8+1 rounds. The PM9 is 19.3 oz with 6+1 rounds and 20 oz with 7+1 rounds. That 12 ounce difference is a pretty big one, IMO, and the PM9 is a lot more flexible about where you can carry it comfortably.