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DarthSean
12-12-2007, 7:31 PM
Considering the massive negative publicity that massacres draw, does anyone think there would be any chance the NRA or any other gun lobby would take interest in lobbying for public mental health services that are better in quality and availability, and take efforts to reduce stigma so that they will get utilized in an effort to reduce the frequency of such shootings, and thus undermine an argument for gun control? If these people could be given or convinced to receive psychiatric help outside of a mental hospital setting, even if they canít afford it, and convince them to remain med compliant by keeping the quality of the services agreeable, that just might avert future massacres by helping them deal with whatever is bugging them, then perhaps there will be fewer attempts to commit such massacres. And who knows? Some of those people might even be stable enough to own and use guns safely someday, or at least coexist peacefully. I know expanding a welfare state generally doesn't go over well in conservative circles, but it would sure be cheaper than locking every nutcase up.

LECTRIKHED
12-12-2007, 7:49 PM
Everything you said is correct.

Many of these people have been in the mental health system. The problem is that the liberal movement of the 1960s and 1970s against institutionalization has crippled the mental health professionals. It is nearly impossible to institutionalize people who need to be. Even most suicide attempts are out within a week or two. It is not so much a failure on the mental health community. It is a failure on our legislatures to give them the authority which they need.

Most mental health specialist will tell you that their hands are tied. They need the authority to institutionalize people, but they don't have it. Outpatient treatment does not always work. Most people do not want to take their medication. There are answers to these problems such as group homes and daily clinic dispensal of medication. The problem is that the funding for these services do not exist.

Mental health is a major problem in this country. Unfortunately those who need it the most receive it the least. They do not have health care, or money for medication.

This is a societal problem which needs to be dealt with. The recent mass shooting are just a manifestation of this problem. These tragedies did not happen before because people were institutionalized. A mental institution will never be a pretty place, but they have drastically improved. The murder rate would drastically be reduced.

The new advances in medicine available combined with institutionalization could help this country and its citizens substantially.

DedEye
12-12-2007, 10:00 PM
The problem is that the liberal movement of the 1960s and 1970s against institutionalization has crippled the mental health professionals.
I was always under the impression that it was Reagan shutting down the mental institutions that did the most damage...

bwiese
12-12-2007, 10:11 PM
I was always under the impression that it was Reagan shutting down the mental institutions that did the most damage...

Jeez DedEye you've been pumped with lib info.

Pat Brown was the one that shut down stuff for outpatient treatment. The loons were out on the street by the time Reagan took office as governor.

LECTRIKHED
12-13-2007, 11:03 AM
Reagan did the most damage at once. However, the problem extends way beyond his actions and goes back to the 1960s and 1970s with One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.

The Psyc community do not have the funding to provide the treatment level necessary. They also do not have the legal ability to institutionalize people who need to be. They can do an emergency hold but that ends after a few days. Those are also just temporary and difficult to achieve.

The mental health experts don't have the legal ability to do what is necessary to improve peoples lives and safeguard society. People are basically permitted to do whatever they want despite the severity of their mental illness until they kill someone.

There are answers to these problems, but the mental health community is not given the tools they need