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Liberty1
12-11-2007, 12:59 AM
http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/racist-roots-of-ga-gun-laws.pdf

This is a very detailed history of Georgia's gun control laws and their roots in suppressing slave uprisings and free black's rights to bear arms and later to vote.

oaklander
12-11-2007, 1:03 AM
AFAIK, some of California's gun laws have similar origins.

Loaded open carry used to be legal (until the Black Panthers went to Sacramento with their guns).

Try this now:

:D

http://depts.washington.edu/civilr/images/bpp/wsa/black%20panthers%202-28-69.jpg

CCWFacts
12-11-2007, 1:12 AM
Not just the negro.

NEW FIREARMS LAW EFFECTIVE ON AUGUST 7
Existing Licenses Inoperative After Dec. 31 1924; Uniform System
IS AIMED AT LAWLESS
Possible Unconstitutionality of Clause Provided for in Drafting

Stringent regulations against carrying concealed firearms or explosives, and prohibition against possession of other deadly weapons become effective on August 7, under the Hawes bill signed by Governor Richardson.

The new measure will install a uniform licensing system for carrying concealed weapons. Licenses now in existence will become inoperative December 31, 1924.
O. K. URGED

Aimed at disarming the lawless, the bill provides exemptions and exceptions to preserve the rights of those using firearms for competition or hunting or for protection in outing trips. It was largely on the recommendation of R. T. McKissick, president of the Sacramento Rifle and Revolver Club, that Governor Richardson approved the measure.

McKissick classes it as a measure that introduces "an element of sanity into firearms legislation, so as to provide adequate punishments upon an increasing scale for the habitual gunman and, at the same time, permit law-abiding citizens to continue to own firearms for home defense and other legitimate uses."
BILLS SIMILAR

The bill, according to McKissick follows almost literally one offered in the United States Senate by Senator Capper and advocated by associations interested in the manufacture, sale and legitimate use of pistols and revolvers, as a model for a uniform bill to be introduced in each State. "It is frankly," he says, "an effort upon the part of those who know something about firearms to forestall the flood of fanatical legislation intended to deprive all citizens of the United States the right to own and use, for legitimate purposes, firearms capable of being concealed upon the person."

The new measures change existing law by making the carrying of barred weapons such as blackjacks, a felony instead of a misdemeanor. The provision against carrying explosive also is new.
ACT EXPLAINED

Possible unconstitutionality of the provision against possession of weapons by non-naturalized residents was admitted in McKissick's letter to the Governor urging signing of the bill, but he pointed out that if this clause should be held invalid the rest of the act will not be affected and that if it can be sustained that it will have a "salutary effect in checking tong wars among the Chinese and vendettas among our people who are of Latin descent."

The provision for additional sentences where weapons are used in committing a felony is one with a sliding scale. The first time the added penalty is from five to ten years; the second from ten to fifteen; the third from 15 to 25 years, and only on the fourth offense it is possible to add more than 25 years to the sentence imposed for the crime itself.

source (http://californiaccw.org/files/sf-chronicle-article.htm)

That was the bill that created California's existing CCW system. The system has been modified since then, but the essential aspect of the system remains the same. Sheriffs are given arbitrary discretion and they exercise it in ways which are discriminatory. When it was passed, they were intended to discriminate against minorities and non-citizens. Today they (in most urban counties) discriminate against non-VIPs, minorities, people they don't know, people who aren't rich, people who aren't contributors and supporters.

Jim Crow is alive and well in California!

oaklander
12-11-2007, 1:51 AM
Just found this - http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/

Crazed_SS
12-11-2007, 4:51 AM
Not just the negro.



source (http://californiaccw.org/files/sf-chronicle-article.htm)

That was the bill that created California's existing CCW system. The system has been modified since then, but the essential aspect of the system remains the same. Sheriffs are given arbitrary discretion and they exercise it in ways which are discriminatory. When it was passed, they were intended to discriminate against minorities and non-citizens. Today they (in most urban counties) discriminate against non-VIPs, minorities, people they don't know, people who aren't rich, people who aren't contributors and supporters.

Jim Crow is alive and well in California!

Thanks for posting that article... VERY interesting read. Shows how things really havent changed much in 80 years.. right down to the supposed pro-gun group pushing for support of this anti-gun legislation.. amazing.

aileron
12-11-2007, 6:13 AM
http://depts.washington.edu/civilr/images/bpp/wsa/black%20panthers%202-28-69.jpg

But what they did was illegal, you cant bear arms to incite terror.

Having said that blacks have used guns to fend off the KKK, and rightfully so. Also during the civil rights movement guns came in handy for all those involved in trying to free blacks and other ethnic minorities from subjugation. Not just blacks, but was it ever useful to them at the time.

troyus
12-11-2007, 8:31 AM
There is a great article on this in Playboy Magazine this month, very informative and closes with we better have our second amendment rights or all out other rights are not far behind.

DedEye
12-11-2007, 8:41 AM
But what they did was illegal, you cant bear arms to incite terror.

Having said that blacks have used guns to fend off the KKK, and rightfully so. Also during the civil rights movement guns came in handy for all those involved in trying to free blacks and other ethnic minorities from subjugation. Not just blacks, but was it ever useful to them at the time.

They're weren't inciting terror, they were making a political point.

Also, it wasn't illegal afterwards because they open carried; they did so to protest a law that was being passed to ban loaded open carry.

Suvorov
12-11-2007, 9:21 AM
There is a great article on this in Playboy Magazine this month, very informative and closes with we better have our second amendment rights or all out other rights are not far behind.

Well, the end times are near when Playboy prints a pro RTKBA article. :rolleyes:

aileron
12-11-2007, 9:44 AM
They're weren't inciting terror, they were making a political point.

Also, it wasn't illegal afterwards because they open carried; they did so to protest a law that was being passed to ban loaded open carry.

So Huey says, “We’re going to the Capitol. Mulford’s there, and they’re trying to pass a law against our guns, and we’re going to the Capitol steps. We’re going to take the best Panthers we got and we’re going to the Capitol steps with our guns and forces, loaded down to the gills. And we’re going to read a message to the world, because the press is always up there. They’ll listen to the message, and they’ll probably blast it all across this country. I know, I know they’ll blast it all the way across California. We’ve got to get a message over to the people.”

Two Shots
12-11-2007, 10:06 AM
Thats a classic picture of having balls to stand up to the man.
Founded in October 1966 in Oakland, California by Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, the Black Panther Party believed in arming for self-defense against police brutality. The Panthers also took on various responsibilities in the community. Wearing black leather jackets, blue shirts, black pants, and black berets, the Panthers patrolled the neighborhoods carrying weapons, recorders, and law books, taught black history, counseled welfare recipients, and protested rent evictions.
Around 1969 things were going bad in Oakland killings,shootouts w/cops, people planting bombs etc. Panthers started out, as standing up for rights then they lost that goal and went with violence.
I would bet that most houses around Oakland by 1969 had atleast one gun in thier house, At that time you could go to the Traders and they would have several lines with people buying weapons everytime.

troyus
12-11-2007, 10:22 AM
Well, the end times are near when Playboy prints a pro RTKBA article. :rolleyes:

Perhaps the only good thing about the Bush administration is it made liberals realize, you may indeed need a gun one of these days! :)

CCWFacts
12-11-2007, 10:36 AM
Thanks for posting that article... VERY interesting read. Shows how things really havent changed much in 80 years..

Yup, things haven't changed, except for one thing.

Now we have black leaders calling on politicians to "disarm the negros".

In 1923, white racists and the KKK said: "This bill will have a salutary effect in checking the vendettas among our people of Latin descent."

In 2007, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Oprah, Barak Obama etc say (paraphrasing): "Gun control will have a salutary effect in checking the gang violence among our people of African descent."

Scarecrow Repair
12-11-2007, 12:50 PM
Another reminder for people to google the Deacons for Defense and Justice. There's a wonderful recent book full of footnotes from a history professor, and a recent movie which is full of composite characters and situations but accurately done. There are two amazing things about the Deacons. One is that they were self-organized, starting in Louisiana, and second is that they stuck to self-defense, never going on the offensive and hunting down KKK or corrupt cops and judges, and never bringing any politics into the matter.

These two facets make them extremely embarrassing to the gun grabber who pretend they are working on behalf of the poor and disadvantaged. Mention the LA riots and Korean shopkeepers protecting their property, and the left shouts "Racism!" Mention the Black Panthers and the right shouts "Cop killers!" Mention the Deacons and after they stare and say "Who?", you educate them, and they want to change the subject. Neither side knows how to deal with them.

The Deacons are THE single best illustration of why the second amendment is so important, and they were only 40 years ago.

CSACANNONEER
12-11-2007, 5:48 PM
There is a great article on this in Playboy Magazine this month, very informative and closes with we better have our second amendment rights or all out other rights are not far behind.

Article? I've never seen an article in Playboy.

wilit
12-11-2007, 6:24 PM
If you ever get the chance, on Independent Lens which is on PBS, sometimes shows a documentary called Negroes with Guns. It's pretty interesting.

http://www.jou.ufl.edu/documentary/negroeswithguns/