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Steyr_223
12-10-2007, 8:38 PM
Source:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008.htm


Rudy Giuliani

* Government can impose reasonable regulations on guns. (Nov 2007)
* Focus on criminals, not on guns. (Sep 2007)
* NYC gun control laws made NYC safest big city in US. (Sep 2007)
* 2nd Amendment gives people the individual right to bear arms. (May 2007)
* Supported nationwide licensing & assault weapons ban. (May 2007)
* Things you do in NY about guns may be different than TX. (May 2007)
* Gun control reduces urban crime; no effect on hunting. (Feb 2007)
* NYC sued two dozen major gun manufacturers and distributors. (Jun 2000)
* All gun owners should pass written test. (Mar 2000)

Mike Huckabee

* Second Amendmen is about freedom, not about hunting. (Aug 2007)
* Owns firearms; enjoys hunting; supports 2nd amendment. (Jan 2007)
* Supports self-defense and `castle doctrine'. (Jan 2006)
* Allow concealed carry. (Nov 2002)

John McCain

* I know how to use guns; but I don't own one. (Nov 2007)
* Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
* Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes. (Sep 2007)
* Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types. (Sep 2007)
* Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
* Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
* Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
* Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
* Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
* Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
* Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)

Ron Paul

* Let airlines make rules about passenger guns to fight terror. (Sep 2007)
* Opposes the DC Gun Ban; it's not just a "collective right". (Mar 2007)
* Ease procedures on the purchase and registration of firearms. (Nov 1996)
* Allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms. (Nov 1996)
* Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
* Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
* Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
* Support the Second Amendment . (Dec 2000)
* Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)

Mitt Romney

* Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007)
* Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994)

Fred Thompson

* NYC doesn't have same values as America on gun control. (Nov 2007)
* Allow colleges to make their own rules about guns on campus. (Nov 2007)
* Strongly supports the Second Amendment. (Sep 2007)
* Allowing concealed carry could have limited VA Tech massacre. (Apr 2007)
* Having handguns in your home is a Constitutional right. (Mar 2007)
* Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)

Steyr_223
12-10-2007, 8:46 PM
Hillary Clinton

* Get assault weapons & guns off the street. (Jul 2007)
* Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre. (Apr 2007)
* FactCheck: VA Tech shooter not declared a danger to others. (Apr 2007)
* Congress' failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run. (Nov 2003)
* Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. (Sep 2000)
* Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs. (Sep 2000)
* License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
* Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. (Jul 1999)
* Gun control protects our children. (Jul 1999)
* Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. (Jul 1999)
* Lock up guns; store ammo separately. (Jun 1999)
* Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns. (Jun 1999)
* Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons. (Sep 1996)
* Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
* Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)

John Edwards

* In rural America, hunting and gun ownership is a way of life. (Sep 2007)
* Don't need AK-47 to hunt; renew assault weapons ban. (Jul 2007)
* Right to bear arms protected by Second Amendment, with rules. (Mar 2004)
* Hunting is fine, but criminals & kids should have limits. (Jan 2004)
* Leading Dems distance themselves from divisive gun debate. (Oct 2003)
* Guns are about independence-don't mess with that. (Oct 2003)
* Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
* Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)


Barack Obama

* Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
* Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
* Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)

Bill Richardson

* No guns for mentally ill or those with criminal background. (Jul 2007)
* Attack poverty at the core of gun violence. (Jul 2007)
* Assault weapons ban did not work; despite his vote for ban. (May 2007)
* Endorsed by NRA for governor; would accept endorsement again. (May 2007)
* The 2nd Amendment is precious. (Apr 2007)
* Endorsed by NRA; has his own concealed carry permit. (Oct 2006)
* We should ally with pro-gun recreationists in West. (Apr 2005)

Dennis Kucinich

* We have babies dying in the streets; ban handguns. (Jul 2007)
* Ban sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns. (Nov 2006)
* Require background checks, licensing, and fingerprinting. (Jan 2004)
* Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
* Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
* Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
* Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)


* Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

Josh3239
12-10-2007, 9:46 PM
Hmm, wonder why Ron Paul would not vote to have the waiting period reduced? Waiting period are probably not in the Constitution, so much for the supposed "greatest candidate ever"

Hah, Kucinich and handguns being responsible for babies dying in the street. Damn those automatic armor piercing baby magnetic pistol ammo! :)

So now we all know not to trust any candidate with our guns but Richardson, Thompson, Paul, and Huckabee.

Liberty1
12-10-2007, 10:35 PM
Hmm, wonder why Ron Paul would not vote to have the waiting period reduced? Waiting period are probably not in the Constitution, so much for the supposed "greatest candidate ever"

You answered your own question there in the bold I think.;) :p

Only speculating...it may have been a "poisoned" bill meaning that he disaproved of amendments attached to the bill or he found the bill unconstitutional and could not vote in favor of even a 1 day waiting period.

He voted against the Commerce in Arms Protection bill as he doesn't believe Congress has the authority in the Constitution to regulate that in the manner it did. This was a state power vs fed power issue for him. So he stuck to his principles, supported that view of limited federal government, and voted no. Even though NRA afterward rated him a "B" and backed his Democratic opposition in his last race, he still won his seat with over 60% of the vote!

mk19
12-11-2007, 9:57 AM
Ron Paul is also for machine guns for responsible citizenry, if it is your hobby and you are responsible why not.

tombinghamthegreat
12-11-2007, 10:04 AM
Ron Paul is clearly one of the most progun canididates. In his books he wrote, he had a section on just the second amendment and how opposed he is to gun regulation. Also look below to see what he said at a local speech, shocked me to hear it said.

bwiese
12-11-2007, 10:07 AM
He voted against the Commerce in Arms Protection bill as he doesn't believe Congress has the authority in the Constitution to regulate that in the manner it did. This was a state power vs fed power issue for him. So he stuck to his principles, supported that view of limited federal government, and voted no. Even though NRA afterward rated him a "B" and backed his Democratic opposition in his last race, he still won his seat with over 60% of the vote!

And that's why he's often a useless POS ivory-tower idiot.

The "perfect is the enemy of the good", and this amply demonstrates this.

We had one chance in the right time/space to get Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act passed. It coulda been tight, and he conceivably placed it at risk for stupid 'purity'. In essence Ron Paul made an antigun vote because he's waiting for the perfect situation/perfect bill that will likely not happen during his term (lotsa court cases down the line before we get to that happy state).

In the meantime, antis have been attacking gun mfgrs for ages. If those biz shut down, the shooting sports decline or prices raise rapidly, and there are fewer shooters and fewer gun voters. So this was a way to lock that down. Now little guys don't have to worry as long as they keep their books straight.

That bill was as good as we were ever gonna get, with the Prez in office and the right House/Senate composition. First rule of politics: take adavantage of something when you can.

NRA was right to kick him in the teeth. You play in the field of politics of the possible, not the perfect-theory-ivory-tower world.

F*kn idiot.

Steyr_223
12-11-2007, 12:24 PM
Who are you voting for Bill?

bwiese
12-11-2007, 12:33 PM
Who are you voting for Bill?

Primary: Fred.
General: Winner of Repub nomination.

Liberty1
12-11-2007, 1:24 PM
First rule of politics: take adavantage of something when you can.


And the loss of first principles is why the Big Government Republicans lost the Congress and will loose the White House with their "top tier". I'll take Ron's no votes over those of spinless lobbied (bribed) Republican opportunists any day of the week. They're a disgrace to any American who supports the rule of law.

If its unconstitutional I expect a Congressman to vote according to his interpretation and principles and vote no. That is how Dr. Paul has been elected 10 times and with support from Liberty lovers from all parties despite the best efforts of the NRA and Republican Party hacks to unseat him. He actually obeys his oath which he considers more important than keeping his seat. And his constituents consider that more important then being lied to by Big Government Republicans who keep increasing the size of government power and intrusion. And so do I.

The commerce clause was designed to keep states from imposing tariffs on each other not to allow the Feds to control EVERYTHING that they claim effects interstate commerce no matter how absurd the reasoning. Come on, a home built machine gun that is never sold is regulated by the commerce clause! Guns banned within 1000' of a school because they say possession effects national commerce?

I may carry concealed nationally under HR 218 but only with a firearm that has crossed state lines during commerce? But not one built solely from products made in my state or by my hand? The ridiculousness needs to stop! The federal power grab needs to stop!

Your "first rule of politics" is what is wrong with this country and both parties. Selling out the Constitution for a temporary victory is a hollow victory at best. 51% tyranny by us is still wrong. And all the hard work can be undone when the other party takes back that 51% Tyranny. Better to take the high ground and Support the Constitution the first time then to risk relegating it to the dust bin. Support Dr. NO! ;)

bwiese
12-11-2007, 1:40 PM
Politics has always been about winning, and RP's nun-like purity and naivete are the wrong game for the wrong playing field.

You can't play a long-term game in a short legislative cycle. You can't expect everything at once or everything to be perfect. You get some stuff done, then build on it, then in turn build on it, etc.

RP took an antigun position, bottom line. Is his purity and principle commendable? Maybe in the karmic afterlife, but here it's simply hurtful and dangerous: he took a risk on f*cking us for years.

Things are starting to go our way and this idiot will just screw things up.

Patriot
12-11-2007, 1:55 PM
You can't play a long-term game in a short legislative cycle.

+1,000. Same deal with a one or two term presidency when it comes to the level of reforms RP talks about.

I despise how the CC has been outrageously distorted to support big-government legislating. However, IMO, the judiciary is the appropriate venue for CC redress. I severely doubt that RP's choice(s) for SCOTUS would go anywhere...so either he compromises by the end of his term, or he's so pissed off the electorate that they vote in some raging leftist who then gets their pick of SCOTUS nominee. No thanks.

elenius
12-11-2007, 3:05 PM
Can someone explain this under McCain:


* Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
* Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)


So, both yay and nay to assault weapons?

Josh3239
12-11-2007, 3:08 PM
McCain said he was open to voting for an assault weapon ban, depending on the details.
Source: Los Angeles Times, “McCain Calls for Hearings” Aug 17, 1999

I could have sworn that McCain voted for the AW ban. But apparently he is open to it, w/e that means.

Soldier415
12-11-2007, 3:10 PM
I could have sworn that McCain voted for the AW ban. But apparently he is open to it, w/e that means.

He is very open to illegals. That kills him with me.

bwiese
12-11-2007, 3:20 PM
Can someone explain this under McCain:
So, both yay and nay to assault weapons?

I believe he changed his mind when he saw the ineffectiveness of the fed AW ban, and that it was only cosmetics, etc.

I think the NRA put some heat under him and he now 'sees the light'.

Salty
12-11-2007, 8:28 PM
Wow, some of the Dems are down right scary! With that said, some of the Republican candidates aren't that much better.

"Barack Obama
* Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)"

WTF!?

ghettoshecky
12-11-2007, 9:43 PM
Wow, some of the Dems are down right scary! With that said, some of the Republican candidates aren't that much better.

"Barack Obama
* Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)"

WTF!?

yeah Kucinich is someone what of a nightmare. imagining him in office shivers uncontrollably* Still wonder though how he gets a hot wife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZirdQUQtDP0

Josh3239
12-11-2007, 9:51 PM
Wow, some of the Dems are down right scary! With that said, some of the Republican candidates aren't that much better.

"Barack Obama
* Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)"

WTF!?

Yah, I am always sure to tell that to people when conversing about politics, I have mentioned it here several times. That crap really boils my blood to, talk about unconstitutional. He only has the support he has because he is black, just like Hillary has so much support because she is a woman. Over half of their supporters don't even know what sides they take on which issues.