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mangostene
12-09-2007, 1:18 PM
I just watched "No Country For Old Men" at the movies last night.

The contract killer/assassin in the movie had a shotgun with a silencer in it. Probably the size of a soda can, diameter and length, made of billet/spun aluminum.

Damn thing looked nifty! Considering how ear drum busting shotgun shots can be.

My question is, is there such a thing?

MANGO

mothergreen
12-09-2007, 1:48 PM
http://www.sai.dk/silencers/shotgun.php

Quiet
12-09-2007, 2:57 PM
The use of shotgun suppressors are common in Europe due to their noise-pollution laws.

:Pirate:

mothergreen
12-09-2007, 3:00 PM
but we can't have em here so that they can close down ranges due to noise pollution.

JHC
12-09-2007, 3:02 PM
but we can't have em here so that they can close down ranges due to noise pollution. You can't have them here due to TV and the stupid people that believe everything they see on it

Diablo
12-09-2007, 3:32 PM
Damm...that's a nice avatar mangostene.....

AJAX22
12-09-2007, 4:00 PM
Shotguns can be suppressed, but they can't be silenced. unless of course you like having a piece of stainless the size of a 5 gallon watter bottle hanging off the end of your gun

mothergreen
12-09-2007, 4:17 PM
You can't have them here due to TV and the stupid people that believe everything they see on it

well yeah.. I know its because they think supressors are only for assasins but.. think about my reasoning. it makes sense. go to angeles and look at the wall of closed gun shops and shooting ranges.

m24armorer
12-09-2007, 5:34 PM
Well....

There are some, and yes they really do work.

5968
12-09-2007, 8:38 PM
Damm...that's a nice avatar mangostene.....

I agree. The real question is: Do you know her???

CSACANNONEER
12-09-2007, 8:49 PM
Well....

There are some, and yes they really do work.

Instead of asking, "How?", I'll ask you if they require special ammo? or, does all shotgun ammo work? Won't it be dangerous to shoot wads and/or shotcups through it?

mothergreen
12-09-2007, 9:46 PM
you can use any kind of shot or slug :) but you can't have one anyways so it really don't matter

CSACANNONEER
12-09-2007, 9:57 PM
you can use any kind of shot or slug :) but you can't have one anyways so it really don't matter

Not yet. But, I hope to move in a few years.

mothergreen
12-09-2007, 11:25 PM
as do I.:cool: when I do I fully intend to skip all the semi auto toys and forget about a new car something full auto. that would be the last thing I'd need to buy .. I think.. anyways... :D

pnkssbtz
12-09-2007, 11:27 PM
Suppressor laws were originally to stop poaching. Law is outdated. Now people think OMG ASSASSINS!

bigthaiboy
12-10-2007, 1:08 AM
Friend of mine lives in Iowa. He has a suppressor on his .22LR (you pay a $200 tax to get it) for shooting racoons that raid his trash in the middle of the night. That way he doesn't wake his neighbors up.

Such a considerate neighbor to have.

SS109
12-10-2007, 5:31 AM
How about a suppressed Saiga12?

http://picsorban.com/upload/suppressorx2.jpg

mooster
12-10-2007, 9:06 AM
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned one of those super-long shotgun barrels or barrel extensions.
http://www.metrogun.com/index.html

As I recall, there are no federal regulations for these super-long barrels. It may run afoul of penal code 12500, however.

uzigalil
12-10-2007, 1:43 PM
CLANDESTINE 12
Silenced Shotgun from Tac Ops
by
Eugene Nielsen
Cover photo by Stan Nielsen

The 12 gauge shotgun can be one of the most versatile and effective tools in the tactical arsenal. Unfortunately, it has two big drawbacks -- it has one heck of a muzzle blast and has an enormous muzzle flash. These drawbacks often outweigh the shotgun's utility in many tactical scenarios.

The blast and flash can be a serious liability. A standard shotgun is hardly a covert tool. When employed for breaching, the sound of the shotgun’s discharge can lead to “they shot first” scenarios. The muzzle flash of a shotgun can significantly impair night vision and give away the operator’s position. The flash can be downright lethal to the operator when operating in explosive environments, such as when raiding clandestine drug laboratories.

The Science of Silence
There are three possible sources of sound from the discharge of any firearm that need to be considered when “silencing” a firearm: the weapon’s muzzle blast; the sonic boom caused by a projectile exceeding the sound barrier; and the sound from the cycling of the firearm’s action.
The muzzle blast is the most significant source of sound. Muzzle blast is the consequence of high-pressure gasses suddenly exiting the barrel. If the pressure is reduced immediately before it exits, the weapon’s report will also be reduced.
There are several ways that pressure reduction can be accomplished. Pressure can be reduced by increasing the volume of space occupied by a given quantity of gasses. It can also be reduced by decreasing the temperature of the gasses and/or delaying the exit of the gasses by creating turbulence and trapping the gasses. The effectiveness of a suppressor in reducing muzzle blast is dependent on how well it achieves these objectives.

Muzzle blast is also reduced by decreasing the velocity of the gasses and either absorbing the sound waves or canceling them by interference with reflected waves coming from the same source. The behavior of sound waves is similar to that of light waives in many respects. As with light waves, sound waves can be reflected, refracted, diffracted and scattered.

Various combinations of components (such as baffles, packing material, mesh, expansion chambers, spiral diffusers, pressure relief ports and wipes) may be employed in a sound suppressor. Artificial environment technology or “wet technology,” as it’s commonly referred to, may also be employed. Wet technology employs greases, oils or other fluids to cool the gasses for more effective sound suppression. The use of wet technology increases the efficiency to size ratio of the suppressor.

A Difficult Task
There have been numerous attempts to silence shotguns and eliminate their

The Clandestine 12 Suppressed Shotgun
Recognizing the tactical need for a sound- and flash- suppressed shotgun, Mike Rescigno, President of Tactical Operations, Incorporated, set out to develop just such a shotgun. While well aware of the failures of others before him, he believed that a practical sound suppressor for shotguns was possible. After four years of extensive research and development, Tac Ops has achieved what has eluded others.
Tac Ops discussed the design of the suppressor in considerable detail on the condition that I not reveal any of the specifics. Suffice it to say that it’s very innovative. The suppressor utilizes an advanced, patent-pending design with proprietary artificial environment technology to provide performance that was previously unattainable. According to Tac Ops, the suppressor will safely handle all commercially loaded 12 gauge ammunition.

Called the Clandestine 12™, the sound suppressor has a stainless steel body and heat-treated aircraft-grade aluminum internal parts. Considering that it’s designed to suppress a 12 gauge shotgun, the suppressor is exceptionally compact. The suppressor measures 10 inches long and has an outside diameter (O.D.) of 2.75 inches.

The suppressor does add a significant amount of weight to the muzzle. The Clandestine 12 suppressor weighs approximately 3.75 pounds. For those who may be concerened about the weight, Tac Ops is currently working on a prototype of a lighter suppressor that is quite revolutionary.
The suppressor is a sealed unit and is designed to be user maintainable. All maintenance requirements are performed without disassembly. Cleaning is by immersion. Petroleum naphtha (safety solvent) is recommended for this purpose.



The Clandestine 12 is supplied with two barrels: a standard Remington 18-inch cylinder-bore barrel and a 14-inch barrel with the Clandestine 12 sound suppressor permanently attached. The suppressed barrel has a 21-inch overall length. A Wilson Combat / Scattergun Technologies magazine extension tube is supplied for the standard barel.




The Clandestine 12 will probably see a great deal of use as a breaching tool. When properly employed, a shotgun is an extremely effective breaching tool that can offer a number of advantages over other methods of breaching during dynamic entries. It can do double duty, providing safer and faster tactical forced entries, while remaining effective as a defensive weapon.


The muzzle cap of the Clandestine 12 has a threaded extension on the front for Tac Ops stand-off. Max Maven of Tac Ops developed a special 2-inch O.D. stainless steel stand-off for the suppressor. It may be quickly un-screwed and removed when not needed, reducing the overall length of the Clandestine 12. The muzzle of the stand-off is serrated to reduce the likelihood of slippage during door contact.

Because of the suppressor, there isn’t any need for for the stand-off to also serve as compensator. There’s absolutely no noticeable recoil or muzzle climb when firing Clandestine 12. The Tac Ops stand-off is ported 180 degrees on the bottom. The ports are quite large and serve only to vent the gasses. The lack of ports on the top of the stand-off is intended to reduce the likelihood of debris from being blown upwards towards the operator during breaching operations.

Testing and Evaluation
Always attempting to provide its readers with information on the latest in tactical technology, S.W.A.T. has kept closely abreast of the development of the Tac Ops Clandestine 12 from the beginning. When Tac Ops begin developing the suppressed shotgun, Mike Rescigno promised S.W.A.T. an “exclusive” as soon as the final prototype was finished. After what seemed like forever, Mike, true to his word, called to say that the Clandestine 12 was ready.

When informed, Editor Denny Hansen said to get on it right away. Having only a little over a week before S.W.A.T.’s editorial deadline, I hastily made arrangements to meet with Mike at the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department Special Enforcement Bureau (SEB) Special Weapons Team range for a demonstration of the capabilities of the Clandestine 12 and an opportunity to test and evaluate it. The SEB is one of the tactical teams now using the Clandestine 12. Numerous other local, state and federal agencies have also expressed an definite interest in purchasing the Clandestine 12.


At the range, the performance of the Clandestine 12 was nothing short of spectacular. Perhaps, unbelievable is a better term. It was hard to believe that we were firing a 12 gauge.

The muzzle sound signature with subsonic ammunition was reduced to a level that approximates that of either a .22 short fired from a rifle or a .22 RWS air rifle! It was simply amazing. The SEB’s Ralph Garay and Bruce Chase remarked that the manual cycling of the 870’s pump action was actually louder that the sound of a subsonic 12 gauge round being fired from the Clandestine 12.

The subsonic loads provided by Choke easily took out a lock during informal breaching tests. Cal Gallegos of the SEB likened the sound made by the Clandestine 12 during breaching tests to that of a rubber mallet hitting the door. I would have to concur.

When supersonic 00 buckshot full loads were fired the sonic “crack” of the buckshot masked the sound signature of the suppressor and was all that was was heard. Even when supersonic loads were employed, a group of SEB personnel who were standing roughly 25 to 30 yards away were unaware that we were shooting the shotgun.

Close to 30 rounds were fired through the Clandestine 12 while at the range. The supressor wasn’t cleaned during testing. No additional artificial environment fluid was added. There wasn’t any noticeable increase in the sound signature. The Clandestine 12 was as quiet at the end as it was at the beginning. Muzzle flash was completely eliminated throughout the testing with all loads. Mike Rescigno called me that evening and stated that the can was still wet inside when he returned to Tac Ops office.

While editorial time constraints prevented as much testing of the Clandestine 12 as I would have liked prior to writing the article, one thing is certain, Tac Ops has a real winner. The Clandestine 12 is certain to see considerable use in the law enforcement and military SpecOps community. Agencies can arrange for a demonstration of this unique weapon by contacting Tac Ops directly.

Special Thanks: The author and S.W.A.T. magazine would like to give special thanks to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department for all of the courtesies that they have extended. Always striving to better serve the community, the LASD SEB Special Weapons Team is at the forefront of tactics and technology. It’s truly one of our nation’s finest SWAT teams.


SOURCE
Tactical Operations, Inc.
433 North Camden Dr. 4th Fl. #239
Beverly Hills, Ca 90210
Phone 310 275-8797
Fax 323 933-3521

jimmy2.8
12-30-2007, 1:59 AM
my buddy was in the special forces and did some freelance work also. he told me he purchased one somewhere in europe and i believe it was switzerland. mind you this was probably sometime in the 70's. he said it looked like a ducks foot and it screwed onto the end of the barrel. when hed shoot it, all you could here was the pellets hittin down range. im not sure if you use special ammo or not but im sure theres a photo of it somewhere. very intresting!!!

FEDUPWBS
12-31-2007, 2:20 PM
How about a suppressed Saiga12?

http://picsorban.com/upload/suppressorx2.jpg

Oh yes he did!:):)

ar15barrels
12-31-2007, 6:18 PM
I just watched "No Country For Old Men" at the movies last night.

The contract killer/assassin in the movie had a shotgun with a silencer in it. Probably the size of a soda can, diameter and length, made of billet/spun aluminum.

I just saw the movie last night.

Forget the shotgun silencer, I want one of the air-powered cattle knockers...
I already have the small scuba tank.
I just need the long black hair and the french accent and I'm there. :devil2: