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scrat
12-08-2007, 10:12 PM
Yep you heard it those people that do not like firearms need our support. Take a moment to help them. i marked strongly disagree with every section.

bradynetwork.org/site/PageServer?pagename=SRV_2007GeneralLegislativePrio ritiesSurvey
post your comments welcomely here

M. Sage
12-08-2007, 10:21 PM
Copy and paste the link. Don't leave a referral.

There, killed the link for you. Just copy and paste it in your browser.

scrat
12-08-2007, 10:30 PM
copy and paiste. dont leave a referral what does that mean

any how make sure you put in

http:// then paiste it

M. Sage
12-08-2007, 10:35 PM
Referral means that whenever you click a link on any website to another website, the owner of the website the link leads to knows where the link was posted, ie: who referred that user.

You shouldn't have to add the HTTP:// stuff. Browsers are smart enough to do that for you these days. ;)

oaklander
12-08-2007, 10:39 PM
Done!

J_Rock
12-08-2007, 11:59 PM
strongly disagreed on all counts

paladin4415
12-09-2007, 12:14 AM
I voted;)...I feel so much better now:rolleyes:

N6ATF
12-09-2007, 12:31 AM
Samuel Colt samcolt @ peacemaker . com

What Just Happened?
12-09-2007, 12:32 AM
Do I get one of those cool "I Voted" stickers now?

M. Sage
12-09-2007, 12:36 AM
Samuel Colt samcolt @ peacemaker . com

I actually signed my real email so I can keep track of them. I also added a tag (+brady) to find out of they give my email address away.

Bizcuits
12-09-2007, 8:28 AM
voted

VegasND
12-09-2007, 8:51 AM
These are always fun! I just hope it actually accomplishes something. These folks have such a problem with facts, I suspect they will just edit results or lose the poll.

Python2
12-09-2007, 9:33 AM
Voted! What a bunch of dork

fairfaxjim
12-09-2007, 9:40 AM
Voted! You know they are going to throw out all of the votes that don't agree with them before they count the statistics on this one. Feels good though. Can't wait to see what kind of junk email I get from those guys.

SemiAutoSam
12-09-2007, 9:41 AM
Voted

Someone needs to send them a message that the constitution is still in effect.

VegasND
12-09-2007, 9:48 AM
Voted

Someone needs to send them a message that the constitution is still in effect.


Where?

And, I'm not being a wisea**, your government has ignored my rights for generations now. We need to reassert our Constitution and the rights is recognizes.

SemiAutoSam
12-09-2007, 10:05 AM
Your correct and here are some of the rights that you have lost in the last 7 years or so.

More to follow.

2001

January

Presidential directive delays indefinitely the scheduled release of
presidential documents (authorized by the Presidential Records Act of
1978) pertaining to the Reagan-Bush administration. Link

Bush and Cheney begin process of radically broadening scope of
documents and information which can be deemed classified. Link

February

The National Security Agency (NSA) sets up Project Groundbreaker, a
domestic call monitoring program infrastructure. Link

Spring

Bush administration order authorizes NSA monitoring of domestic phone
and internet traffic. Link

May

US Supreme Court rules that medical necessity is not a permissible
defense against federal marijuana statutes. Link

September

In immediate aftermath of 9-11 terror attacks, Department of Justice
authorizes detention without charge for any terror suspects. Over one
thousand suspects are brought into detention over the next several
months. Link (pdf)

October

Attorney General John Ashcroft announces change in Department of
Justice (DOJ) policy. According to the new policy DOJ will impose far
more stringent criteria for the granting of Freedom of Information Act
requests. Link

September-October

NSA launches massive new database of information on US phone calls. Link

October

The USA Patriot Act becomes law. Among other things the law: makes it
a crime for anyone to contribute money or material support for any
group on the State Department's Terror Watch List, allows the FBI to
monitor and tape conversations between attorneys and clients, allows
the FBI to order librarians to turn over information about patron's
reading habits, allows the government to conduct surveillance on
internet and email use of US citizens without notice. The act also
calls for expanded use of National Security Letters (NSLs), which
allow the FBI to search telephone, email and financial records of US
citizens without a court order, exempts the government from needing to
reveal how evidence against suspected terrorists was obtained and
authorizes indefinite detention of immigrants at the discretion of law
enforcement and immigration authorities.

NJ Superior court judge and civil liberties scholar Anthony
Napolitano, author of A Nation of Sheep, has described the law's
assault on first and fourth amendment principles as follows, "The
Patriot Act's two most principle constitutional errors are an assault
on the Fourth Amendment, and on the First. It permits federal agents
to write their own search warrants [under the name "national security
letters"] with no judge having examined evidence and agreed that it's
likely that the person or thing the government wants to search will
reveal evidence of a crime… Not only that, but the Patriot Act makes
it a felony for the recipient of a self-written search warrant to
reveal it to anyone. The Patriot Act allows [agents] to serve
self-written search warrants on financial institutions, and the
Intelligence Authorization Act of 2004 in Orwellian language defines
that to include in addition to banks, also delis, bodegas,
restaurants, hotels, doctors' offices, lawyers' offices, telecoms,
HMOs, hospitals, casinos, jewelry dealers, automobile dealers, boat
dealers, and that great financial institution to which we all would
repose our fortunes, the post office. Link 1 | Link 2

November

Executive order limits release of presidential documents. The order
gives incumbent presidents the right to veto requests to open any past
presidential records and supercedes the congressionally passed law of
1978 mandating release of all presidential records not explicitly
deemed classified. Link

2002

Winter

FBI and Department of Defense (DOD), forbidden by law from compiling
databases on US citizens, begin contracting with private database firm
ChoicePoint to collect, store, search and maintain data. Link

Spring

Secret executive order issued authorizing NSA to wiretap the phones
and read emails of US citizens. Link

Spring

Transportation Security Adminstration (TSA) acknowledges it has
created both a "No Fly" and a separate "Watch" list of US travelers. Link

May

Department of Justice authorizes the FBI to monitor political and
religious groups. The new rules permit the FBI to broadly search or
monitor the internet for evidence of criminal activity without having
any tips or leads that a specific criminal act has been committed. Link

June

Supreme Court upholds the right of school administrators to conduct
mandatory drug testing of students without probable cause. Link

November

Homeland Security Act of 2002 establishes separate Department of
Homeland Security. Among other things the department will federally
coordinate for the first time all local and state law enforcement
nationwide and run a Directorate of Information and Analysis with
authority to compile comprehensive data on US citizens using public
and commercial records including credit card, phone, bank, and travel.
The department also will be exempt form Freedom of Information Act
disclosure requirements. The Homeland Security department's
jurisdiction has been widely criticized for being nebulously defined
and has extended beyond terrorism into areas including immigration,
pornography and drug enforcement. Link 1 | Link 2




Where?

And, I'm not being a wisea**, your government has ignored my rights for generations now. We need to reassert our Constitution and the rights is recognizes.

SemiAutoSam
12-09-2007, 10:07 AM
And a few more.

2003

February

Draft of Domestic Security Enhancement Act (aka Patriot Act 2), a
secret document prepared by the Department of Justice is leaked by the
Center for Public Integrity. Provisions of the February 7th draft
version included:

Removal of court-ordered prohibitions against police agencies spying
on domestic groups.

The FBI would be granted powers to conduct searches and surveillance
based on intelligence gathered in foreign countries without first
obtaining a court order.

Creation of a DNA database of suspected terrorists.

Prohibition of any public disclosure of the names of alleged
terrorists including those who have been arrested.

Exemptions from civil liability for people and businesses who
voluntarily turn private information over to the government.

Criminalization of the use of encryption to conceal incriminating
communications.

Automatic denial of bail for persons accused of terrorism-related
crimes, reversing the ordinary common law burden of proof principle.
All alleged terrorists would be required to demonstrate why they
should be released on bail rather than the government being required
to demonstrate why they should be held.

Expansion of the list of crimes eligible for the death penalty.

The United States Environmental Protection Agency would be prevented
from releasing "worst case scenario" information to the public about
chemical plants.

United States citizens whom the government finds to be either members
of, or providing material support to, terrorist groups could have
their US citizenship revoked and be deported to foreign countries.

Although the bill itself has never (yet) been advanced in congress due
to public exposure, some of its provisions have become law as parts of
other bills. For example The Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal
Year 2004 grants the FBI unprecedented power to obtain records from
financial institutions without requiring permission from a judge.
Under the law, the FBI does not need to seek a court order to access
such records, nor does it need to prove just cause. Link 1 | Link 2

March

Executive order issued which radically tightens the declassification
process of classified government documents, as well as making it far
easier for government agencies to make and keep information
classified. The order delayed by three years the release of
declassified government documents dating from 1978 or earlier. It also
allowed the government to treat all material sent to American
officials from foreign governments -- no matter how routine -- as
subject to classification, and expanded the ability of Central
Intelligence Agency (CIA) to shield documents from declassification.
Finally it gave the vice president the power to classify information.
Link 1 | Link 2

March

In a ruling seen as a victory for the concentration of ownership of
intellectual property and an erosion of the public domain, the Supreme
Court in Eldred v. Ashcroft held that a 20-year extension of the
copyright period (from 50 years after the death of the author to 70
years) called for by the Sonny Bono copyright Extension not violate
either the Copyright Clause or the First Amendment. Link

April

In Demore v. Kim, the Supreme Court ruled that even permanent
residents could be subject to mandatory detention when facing
deportation based on a prior criminal conviction, without any right to
an individualized hearing to determine whether they were dangerous or
a flight risk. Link

Fall

The FBI changes its traditional policy of destroying all data and
documents collected on innocent citizens in the course of criminal
investigations. This information would, according to the bureau, now
be permanently stored. Two years later in late 2005 Executive Order
13388, expanded access to those files for "state, local and tribal"
governments and for "appropriate private sector entities," which are
not defined. Link 1 | Link 2

Fall

As authorized by the Patriot Act, the FBI expands the practice of
national security letters. NSLs, originally introduced in the 1970s
for espionage and terrorism investigations, enabled the FBI to review
in secret the customer records of suspected foreign agents. This was
extended by the Patriot Act to include permitting clandestine scrutiny
of all U.S. residents and visitors whether suspected of terrorism or
not. Link

2004

January

The FBI begins keeping a database of US citizens based on information
obtained via NSLs. Link

Spring

John Ashcroft invokes State Secrets privilege to forbid former FBI
translator Sibel Edmunds from testifying in a case brought by families
of victims of the 9-11 attacks. Litigation by 9-11 families is
subsequently halted. Link 1 | Link 2

June

Supreme Court upholds Nevada state law allowing police to arrest
suspects who refuse to provide identification based on police
discretion of "reasonable suspicion." Link

2005

January

Supreme court rules that police do not need to have probable cause to
have drug sniffing dogs examine cars stopped for routine traffic
violations. Link 1 | Link 2

June

Supreme Court rules that the federal government can prosecute medical
marijuana users even in states which have laws permitting medical
marijuana. Link

Summer

The Patriot Act, due to expire at the end of 2005, is reauthorized by
Congress. Link

Winter 2005

Senate blocks reauthorization of certain clauses in Patriot Act. Link

2006

March

Senate passes amended version of Patriot Act, reauthorization, with
three basic changes from the original including: recipients of secret
court orders to turn over sensitive information on individuals linked
to terrorism investigations are not allowed to disclose those orders
but can challenge the gag order after a year, libraries would not be
required to turn over information without the approval of a judge,
recipients of an FBI "national security letter" -- an investigator's
demand for access to personal or business information -- would not
have to tell the FBI if they consult a lawyer. New bill also said to
extend Congressional oversight over executive department usage
guidelines. Shortly after bill is signed George Bush declares
oversight rules are not binding. Link 1 | Link 2

June

Supreme court rules that evidence obtained in violation of the "knock
and announce" rules can still be permitted in court. Link

September

US Congress and Senate approve the Military Commissions Act, which
authorizes torture and strips non- US citizen detainees suspected of
terrorist ties of the right of habeas corpus (which includes formal
charges, counsel and hearings). It also empowers US presidents at
their discretion to declare US citizens as enemy combatants and
subject to detention without charge or due process. Link 1 | Link 2 |
Link 3

October

John Warner Defense Authorization Act is passed. The act allows a
president to declare a public emergency and station US military troops
anywhere in America as well as take control of state based national
guard units without consent of the governor or other local
authorities. The law authorizes presidential deployment of US troops
to round-up and detain "potential terrorists", "illegal aliens" and
"disorderly" citizenry. Link 1 | Link 2

2007

May

National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51) establishes a
new post-disaster plan (with disaster defined as any incident, natural
or man-made, resulting in extraordinary mass casualties, damage or
disruption) which places the president in charge of all three branches
of government. The directive overrides the National Emergencies Act
which gives Congress power to determine the duration of a national
emergency. Link 1 | Link 2

June

In "Bong Hits for Jesus" case Supreme court rules that student free
speech rights do not extend to promotion of drug use. Link

July

Executive Order 13438: "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who
Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq, issued. The order asserts the
government's power to confiscate the property "of persons determined
to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act
or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the
peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining
efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in
Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

October

The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act passes the
House of Representatives 400 to 6 (to be voted on in the Senate in
2008). The act proposes the establishment of a commission composed of
members of the House and Senate, Homeland Security and others, to
"examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent
radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence
in the United States" and specifically the role of the internet in
fostering and disseminating extremism. According to the bill the term
`violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an
extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically
based violence to advance political, religious, or social change,
while the term 'ideologically-based violence' means the use, planned
use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual
to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social
beliefs.

SemiAutoSam
12-09-2007, 10:09 AM
And these are the rights we are supposed to have.




THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution

The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of
adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent
misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and
restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of
public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent
ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses
concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the
Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution
of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by
three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and
purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without
the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be
prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except
in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when
in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any
person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of
life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a
witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be
taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and
district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district
shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of
the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the
witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his
defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed
twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no
fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of
the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states
respectively, or to the people.

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CSACANNONEER
12-09-2007, 10:20 AM
I voted!

69Mach1
12-09-2007, 10:29 AM
Done!:cool:

Fjold
12-09-2007, 10:58 AM
Voted,

I have an extra Yahoo email address that I use just for this kind of crap.

Rhys898
12-09-2007, 11:22 AM
I created a new email on my domain with my wifes name so I can track who they sell it to.

Jer

anothergunnut
12-09-2007, 3:58 PM
The real purpose of the poll is to get you motivated to make a contribution.:chris:

DedEye
12-09-2007, 4:15 PM
Voted, but used a mailinator email address. Someone tell me what kind of spam they get.

otteray
12-09-2007, 4:40 PM
After using a separate browser window to access the Brady website, I strongly disagreed across the board on their position.
I too, gave my email address - the one I use for junkmail type sites.
Will they post the poll results, ya think?

SemiAutoSam
12-09-2007, 8:54 PM
Just the kind where they want you to give them a donation.

Would like to see the results of that poll but if it doesn't slant their way its never something they would publish.



Dear Sam,

Thank you for participating in our 2007 Legislative Priorities Survey, your feedback will help the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence get a strong start to the new year. We are so grateful for your support.

Capitalizing on the seismic shift on Capitol Hill, your Brady Campaign is going on the offensive to advance our legislative agenda to strengthen US gun laws. Americans are looking to us to turn our electoral victories into concrete action to get guns out of the hands of criminals.

We will succeed in this endeavor in the same way we succeeded in the 2006 elections -- by bringing to the fore the voices of reliable, thoughtful Brady Campaign members like you.

Thanks to your participation, we will show that Americans like you demand that strengthening US guns laws be at the top of the congressional agenda.

Help us build on our voting majorities in both the House and Senate to pass a new ban on military-style assault weapons, closing the gun show loophole, and other life-saving gun laws by making a generous contribution today.

Click here to donate: http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=3901

By working together, we can create a nation free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in their communities.

Sincerely,
Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com
www.stopthenra.com



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Voted, but used a mailinator email address. Someone tell me what kind of spam they get.

USN CHIEF
12-10-2007, 5:13 PM
I just voted...

gloxter
12-10-2007, 7:36 PM
Voted.

VegasND
12-10-2007, 7:50 PM
it said i already voted

If you wait a while and go back, it lets you vote again. Not that it matters, I don't think they ever publish results--this is just a way to get email addresses to beg to.

gloxter
12-10-2007, 11:08 PM
Just got my Stop the NRA letter from the Campaign. I guess they made me a "member", too. Yipee!

Dear (gloxter):

Thank you for participating in our 2007 Legislative Priorities Survey, your feedback will help the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence get a strong start to the new year. We are so grateful for your support.

Capitalizing on the seismic shift on Capitol Hill, your Brady Campaign is going on the offensive to advance our legislative agenda to strengthen US gun laws. Americans are looking to us to turn our electoral victories into concrete action to get guns out of the hands of criminals.

We will succeed in this endeavor in the same way we succeeded in the 2006 elections — by bringing to the fore the voices of reliable, thoughtful Brady Campaign members like you.

Thanks to your participation, we will show that Americans like you demand that strengthening US guns laws be at the top of the congressional agenda.

Help us build on our voting majorities in both the House and Senate to pass a new ban on military-style assault weapons, closing the gun show loophole, and other life-saving gun laws by making a generous contribution today.

By working together, we can create a nation free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in their communities.


Sincerely,
Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com

5968
12-10-2007, 11:42 PM
I voted, but I don't think they will like my answers.

tom_92673
12-10-2007, 11:52 PM
I voted and got the same email form letter. I guess the fact that I strongly disagreed doesn't matter to them.




Dear Tom,

Thank you for participating in our 2007 Legislative Priorities Survey, your feedback will help the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence get a strong start to the new year. We are so grateful for your support.

Capitalizing on the seismic shift on Capitol Hill, your Brady Campaign is going on the offensive to advance our legislative agenda to strengthen US gun laws. Americans are looking to us to turn our electoral victories into concrete action to get guns out of the hands of criminals.

We will succeed in this endeavor in the same way we succeeded in the 2006 elections — by bringing to the fore the voices of reliable, thoughtful Brady Campaign members like you.

Thanks to your participation, we will show that Americans like you demand that strengthening US guns laws be at the top of the congressional agenda.

Help us build on our voting majorities in both the House and Senate to pass a new ban on military-style assault weapons, closing the gun show loophole, and other life-saving gun laws by making a generous contribution today.

By working together, we can create a nation free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in their communities.


Sincerely,
Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com





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oaklander
12-11-2007, 12:18 AM
I keep trying to join my local Million Mom March chapter or whatever the heck they call the local chapters. I thought it would be fun to go to the meetings so I could vomit inside my mouth.

I must be on a blacklist, they never have gotten back to me after all my trying. Maybe they don't allow men?

:43:

EDIT: I just tried again to join the SF and Oakland chapters - http://www.bradycampaign.org/chapters/california/index.php?state=CA&chaptername=Oakland/Alameda%20County&submitted=true

I'll let folks know if I have any success.

It would be SUPER fun to get a bunch of us and take over a meeting (and videotape it and put it on YouTube). That would be freakin' hilarious!!!