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gspam1
12-06-2007, 11:01 AM
Are there any idiosyncrasies in CA law a new resident should be aware of? I know I can't use common sense as a guide.

I've searched the DOJ sight and see that CA certifies safes and locks in the 2007 DWCL but nothing specific on home storage. A couple of specific questions:

1. Is a trigger lock on a shotgun okay, or does it have to be in a safe?

2. I have a year old expensive Fort Knox safe purchased outside CA. Am I subject to any criminal penalties by having the temerity to store my guns in it?

Thanks!

Glock22Fan
12-06-2007, 11:20 AM
Your main problem with storage would arise out of facilitating a child to commit a crime using a firearm that you haven't properly secured. You would be held liable, unless the child had no right to be in your home and had broken in and stolen the firearm.

Apart from that, use common sense according to the usual inhabitants of and visitors to your home. Approved gun locks and/or safes are acceptable but, except as stated above, not compulsory.

N6ATF
12-06-2007, 7:16 PM
Gun locks and gun safe laws really only apply to when you get a gun, AFAIK. Basically you either have to "buy" a "DOJ-approved firearms safety device" within 30 days prior that can be easily defeated by monkeys, or sign an affidavit that says you have a safe that costs at least $500, pricing some out of the market.

Both are anti-public safety measures, standard fare of the CA legislature. If they just said you had to buy a decent safe, period, nationwide, no monkey-defeat-able crap, then decent safes would be designed to be sold at reasonable prices.

chiefcrash
12-06-2007, 8:14 PM
Gun locks and gun safe laws really only apply to when you get a gun, AFAIK. Basically you either have to "buy" a gun lock within 30 days prior that can be easily defeated by monkeys, or sign an affidavit that says you have a safe that is so overcomplicated it costs at least $500, pricing some out of the market.

Both are anti-public safety measures, standard fare of the CA legislature.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=368719&kwtid=254409

$118.95 shipped gets you a DOJ-certified "gun safe". Will keep yer kids out of it, but anyone who really wants to can pop it open in minutes....

keep in mind, if you're buying a handgun, a trigger/cable lock must walk out of the store with the gun (fed law)...

Bizcuits
12-06-2007, 8:17 PM
Are there any idiosyncrasies in CA law a new resident should be aware of? I know I can't use common sense as a guide.

Want a guide? GTFO before you sign for the house! Or better yet lets trade? want a 4 bedroom in Sac?

N6ATF
12-06-2007, 11:55 PM
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=368719&kwtid=254409

$118.95 shipped gets you a DOJ-certified "gun safe". Will keep yer kids out of it, but anyone who really wants to can pop it open in minutes....

It's a DOJ-approved firearms safety device. Not DOJ-certified gun safe. To be certified as a gun safe- http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/gunsafe.php


keep in mind, if you're buying a handgun, a trigger/cable lock must walk out of the store with the gun (fed law)...

And you must use one from this retarded list so you comply with both state and fed law.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist.php

otteray
12-07-2007, 4:31 AM
This page says the Stack-on models are DOJ approved:

http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_security/gc-8rta.html

All full-sized Stack-On Security Plus Gun Cabinets contain the following features:

Superior all steel 3 point locking system with double bitted, key coded lock.

Stack-On's patented, contoured, non-marring barrel rest.

Stack-On's patented barrel standoffs for scoped guns.

Full length welded and staked steel piano hinge.

Durable baked epoxy finish in hunter green.

Flush mount bottom for easier fastening to floor.

Pre-drilled mounting holes allow easy attachment to the floor or wall. Fastening and finishing hardware Included.

Pre-drilled top mounting holes align with Stack-On's Pistol/Ammo Cabinets (GC-900-5 and GC-500-5).
These cabinets are California DOJ approved firearms safety devices that meet the requirements of California Penal Code Section 12088 and the regulations issued thereunder.

Librarian
12-07-2007, 6:32 AM
I'm not sure how a safe that can probably be kicked open would be CADOJ-certified. Doesn't have a combo and is far too cheap to have been approved by UL to be a RSC - http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/gunsafe.php

To meet state regs, all I can find are safes $500 and up.

And you must use one from this state law list
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist.php

There's a difference between 'safe' and 'Approved Firearms Safety Devices'. A whole bunch of Stack-On products are on the latter list, at the fsdcertlist link you provided.

Salty
12-07-2007, 8:32 AM
Keep in mind that you don't HAVE to lock up your guns, but they are trying REAL hard to make you think that you do. For instance, the questions on the HSC test make it sounds as if concealed carry, and unlocked guns are entirely illegal, but they are not. And the news media keeps shoving this "lock up guns and ammo, and store them separately, no matter what" crap down our throats. You either need an approved safe, or you need to buy a gun lock with each new gun you buy, but you don't have to use them. Many of the manufacturers are now shipping their guns with locks, so the procurement is becoming less and less of an issue. I personally do not lock up my guns, but I keep a lock for each one incase we have a party or someone brings kids (or adults who act like kids) over. I suppose that eventually when I have acquired a sizable stash I might buy a safe for theft reasons, but right now I only own 3 guns and stash all 3 around the house for protection.

Crazed_SS
12-07-2007, 12:17 PM
I'm not sure how a safe that can probably be kicked open would be CADOJ-certified. Doesn't have a combo and is far too cheap to have been approved by UL to be a RSC - http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/gunsafe.php

To meet state regs, all I can find are safes $500 and up.



And you must use one from this state law list
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist.php

My gun "cabinet" cost 100 bucks and it's ok by the DOJ as an 'Approved Firearms Safety Device'

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2033187

I like the gun cabinet.. it's a place to neatly store guns. While it's not a safe, it might be enough to deter a burglar who is trying to get in and out with whatever is laying around.

oaklander
12-07-2007, 7:37 PM
After all these years, I finally got a real safe and I sleep better at night knowing I have it. Those gun cabinets are light enough for one "high-on-crack" burglar to carry out on his back (then he can open it later).

I keep a pistol for self defense loaded, and in a small electronic safe, by my bed. All my long guns are kept in the "big" safe, unloaded.

N6ATF
12-08-2007, 12:12 AM
There's a difference between 'safe' and 'Approved Firearms Safety Devices'. A whole bunch of Stack-On products are on the latter list, at the fsdcertlist link you provided.

Hm. I guess CA's definition of "device" covers barely secure locking cabinetry... that's more "decorative furniture" to me.

oaklander
12-08-2007, 12:15 AM
I use my Stack-On now to store ammo & magazines.

Ironically, my 1400 rounds of AK ammo is almost worth more than my AK rifle!!!

(note to self - getting low on 7.62x39)

:D