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Prc329
12-05-2007, 7:39 PM
Who has the best price on brass. Grafs is $42 for $100 at dealer cost. Anyone cheaper?

ocabj
12-05-2007, 8:02 PM
I'm assuming this is for .308 Winchester. That's pretty much the cheapest. It actually hasn't gone up that much. I think it was $35 per 100 a couple years ago.

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 7:47 AM
Who has the best price on brass. Grafs is $42 for $100 at dealer cost. Anyone cheaper?

that is like the cheapest i've seen. i would just order it from them.

Prc329
12-06-2007, 7:53 AM
I'm going to get 500 rounds right after christmas.

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 8:02 AM
500 pieces? dam, that is alot of brass. break me off 50 of them if you can. i'm on a tight *** budget.

ocabj
12-06-2007, 8:07 AM
I just placed an order from Grafs that included eight 100ct boxes of Lapua .223 Match brass.

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 8:09 AM
you guys are both lucky to have unlimited gun funds.

jonathan, you should be getting your scope today.

wildcard
12-06-2007, 8:16 AM
you guys are both lucky to have unlimited gun funds.

jonathan, you should be getting your scope today.

Your gun funds were pretty darn unlimted in 2007 too!

Prc329
12-06-2007, 8:33 AM
500 pieces? dam, that is alot of brass. break me off 50 of them if you can. i'm on a tight *** budget.

I hate trimming brass so I figure 500 should get me by for a while :D

wildcard
12-06-2007, 8:38 AM
I hate trimming brass so I figure 500 should get me by for a while :D

500 brass.. 10 reloads a piece.. you're good for 5000/ the life of your barrel! Calculate that out and you will have spent probably about $1,750 in reloading components!

Prc329
12-06-2007, 9:05 AM
I have about 800 rounds of LC brass I need to sell. That should help toward the Lapua.

wildcard
12-06-2007, 9:13 AM
I have about 800 rounds of LC brass I need to sell. That should help toward the Lapua.

.308 LC Match brass?

Prc329
12-06-2007, 9:17 AM
No, just regular. I was going to load it for my M14 but it is actually cheaper for me to go to Ammo bros and get there reloads.

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 12:12 PM
500 brass.. 10 reloads a piece.. you're good for 5000/ the life of your barrel! Calculate that out and you will have spent probably about $1,750 in reloading components!

i learned something a few days ago at Randy's place. the life of the barrel is actually the wear on the throat. all you have to do it rethread and re-ream the barrel, and wallah good as new again. the end result would be a shortened barrel, about 1/2-1 inch. he said it'll take alot more than several thousand rounds to wear out the rifling.

ar15barrels
12-06-2007, 12:23 PM
i learned something a few days ago at Randy's place. the life of the barrel is actually the wear on the throat. all you have to do it rethread and re-ream the barrel, and wallah good as new again. the end result would be a shortened barrel, about 1/2-1 inch. he said it'll take alot more than several thousand rounds to wear out the rifling.

You still have MUCH to learn... ;)
This is called "setting back" a barrel.
Quite common in benchrest circles.

ocabj
12-06-2007, 12:32 PM
i learned something a few days ago at Randy's place. the life of the barrel is actually the wear on the throat. all you have to do it rethread and re-ream the barrel, and wallah good as new again. the end result would be a shortened barrel, about 1/2-1 inch. he said it'll take alot more than several thousand rounds to wear out the rifling.

Barrel setback has been a common practice for competition shooters. The cost savings may not be much, though, and often, it is simply worth buying a new barrel.

6.5x284 shooters probably benefit the most from barrel setback since they only get 1000 'usable' rounds on the average barrel.

More often that not, the load will have to be redeveloped since there's a change in muzzle velocity and barrel harmonics.

Also, often a gunsmith will recommend cutting off an inch from the muzzle end and recrowing because the diameter of the muzzle end will also open up as the barrel life increases.

ar15barrels
12-06-2007, 12:34 PM
Barrel The cost savings may not be much, though, and often, it is simply worth buying a new barrel.

If you are doing it yourself, the cost savings is significant. ;)

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 1:32 PM
If you are doing it yourself, the cost savings is significant. ;)


that is what i'm talking about. i'll be taking machining classes in a few weeks. i'll be starting my new path in this long journey. there goes my saturdays for the next year.

wildcard
12-06-2007, 1:46 PM
that is what i'm talking about. i'll be taking machining classes in a few weeks. i'll be starting my new path in this long journey. there goes my saturdays for the next year.

"Two semesters" is more pallatable than "one year" :) Plus when you say semesters, it implies some free saturdays in between!

ar15barrels
12-06-2007, 1:53 PM
i'll be taking machining classes in a few weeks.

Where at?

The Venice High machine shop class is starting back up on monday nights 6pm to 9pm.
Anyone in the area wanting to use a machine shop should consider this class.

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 2:02 PM
Where at?

The Venice High machine shop class is starting back up on monday nights 6pm to 9pm.
Anyone in the area wanting to use a machine shop should consider this class.


Los Angeles Valley College. It's closer to my house. It's a Saturday 8-2:20 classes. There goes my shooting, but hey I got to do what I got to do. Better than going to Colorado for 14 months!

rksimple
12-06-2007, 2:10 PM
Los Angeles Valley College. It's closer to my house. It's a Saturday 8-2:20 classes. There goes my shooting, but hey I got to do what I got to do. Better than going to Colorado for 14 months!

Dang! I wish I lived closer! Have fun and learn a lot. I'll even have you chamber a barrel for me for practice.:D

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 3:15 PM
Dang! I wish I lived closer! Have fun and learn a lot. I'll even have you chamber a barrel for me for practice.:D

that'll be awhile. i will be buying a lathe and mill within a few months though. i figure if i have one in my garage, i can learn how to do things alot faster than waiting to use the school's or a buddy's.

ar15barrels
12-06-2007, 4:17 PM
i will be buying a lathe and mill within a few months though.

You know that the mill and lathe are the cheap part right?
You will spend more on the tooling too.
Don't forget the surface grinder and EDM.
You will be wanting those too.

It never ends...

PistolPete75
12-06-2007, 9:49 PM
You know that the mill and lathe are the cheap part right?
You will spend more on the tooling too.
Don't forget the surface grinder and EDM.
You will be wanting those too.

It never ends...

ya i know. i hope to make most of my tools myself expect the custom reamers and stuff. those i will buy for sure.

i plan on spending a few thousand dollars. i'll just go get a dba with the city and start writing equipment off on my tax returns.

ar15barrels
12-06-2007, 10:12 PM
ya i know. i hope to make most of my tools myself expect the custom reamers and stuff. those i will buy for sure.

i plan on spending a few thousand dollars. i'll just go get a dba with the city and start writing equipment off on my tax returns.

Budget $20,000 for good machines and tooling to start.
Don't be tempted by smaller/lesser quality machines.
Better to buy good used 80's machines than new imports.
As with gun safes, buy bigger and heavier than you ever expect to need.
One of the best measures of a machine's initial quality is the weight.
Don't buy a lathe weighing much less than 2000lbs.
Mills will all be in the 2300-3000lb range.

They give a 100% write-off on equipment purchased in the first year of your DBA so wait until next year to start and then get all the big stuff within a year so you don't have to put it on a depreciation schedule.

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 8:21 AM
Budget $20,000 for good machines and tooling to start.
Don't be tempted by smaller/lesser quality machines.
Better to buy good used 80's machines than new imports.
As with gun safes, buy bigger and heavier than you ever expect to need.
One of the best measures of a machine's initial quality is the weight.
Don't buy a lathe weighing much less than 2000lbs.
Mills will all be in the 2300-3000lb range.

They give a 100% write-off on equipment purchased in the first year of your DBA so wait until next year to start and then get all the big stuff within a year so you don't have to put it on a depreciation schedule.

i remember i did the same with my current business. your allowed to write off all equipment, furniture related business on your first year of business. i will definitely write it all off! you were also allowed to write certain vehicle off too if they weighed over a certain weight, but i think that loophole is gone now.

peter

Budd
12-07-2007, 12:59 PM
500 brass.. 10 reloads a piece.. you're good for 5000/ the life of your barrel! Calculate that out and you will have spent probably about $1,750 in reloading components!


You think he is going to get 10 reloads without trimming?:confused:

wildcard
12-07-2007, 1:14 PM
You think he is going to get 10 reloads without trimming?:confused:

It was just a random calculation having nothing to do with trimming :) Every thread in this section always gets off topic!

ar15barrels
12-07-2007, 1:19 PM
Every thread in this section always gets off topic!

Not just this section. ;)
Try the whole damn board... :)

Prc329
12-07-2007, 1:20 PM
I like turtles.

wildcard
12-07-2007, 1:23 PM
I like turtles.

I'm more of a tortoise guy. No murky water to change.

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 1:26 PM
turtoise are cool, but i like to wear boxer underwear instead of butt huggers.

wildcard
12-07-2007, 1:31 PM
Anyone else here lactose intolerant? I can still eat ice cream, cheeseburgers, pizza, etc.. but no milk in large quantities.

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 1:34 PM
ya i fart too much when eat too much ice cream.

Prc329
12-07-2007, 1:35 PM
I think I'll order 300 rounds to start loading for class. Just gotta find some IMR4895 because I am going to switch back to reduce the amount of powder I use.

Anyone need some RL15? I also have 2 lds of H335 I was using in 223. PM me I'll give you prices tonight. I also have about 700 rounds of unfired LC brass (non match). I'll ship that but not the powder.

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 1:36 PM
I think I'll order 300 rounds to start loading for class. Just gotta find some IMR4895 because I am going to switch back to reduce the amount of powder I use.

Anyone need some RL15? I also have 2 lds of H335 I was using in 223. PM me I'll give you prices tonight. I also have about 700 rounds of unfired LC brass (non match). I'll ship that but not the powder.


i'm set i got 6 pounds of rl15 sitting at home.

Prc329
12-07-2007, 1:37 PM
I think I have about a pound and a half.

wildcard
12-07-2007, 1:37 PM
i'm set i got 6 pounds of rl15 sitting at home.

Dude.. you got a wall of powder :)

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 1:54 PM
Dude.. you got a wall of powder :)

i got 8lbs of varget that your sitting on for me, and another 8lbs of 4064 so i'm pretty good on powder. what i wish i had more of is bullets.

ar15barrels
12-07-2007, 1:57 PM
The only way to buy powder is by the 8lb jug.
You just gotta be sure you actually LIKE the powder before you commit to 8lbs. :)

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 2:01 PM
ya i like all the powder. 4064 is my 168 load, and my .223 load

rl15 is universal for both my 168 and the 155, and varget will be used for my 155.

only issue is i'm going to run out of bullets by summer, and the prices of bullets is gonna go up again.

at 250rounds/ month. i'll need more ammo by the June/ July competitions. those months will be costly including match fees, etc.

it'll give me plenty of time to sling my 18 pound rifle offhand.

wildcard
12-07-2007, 2:15 PM
ya i like all the powder. 4064 is my 168 load, and my .223 load

rl15 is universal for both my 168 and the 155, and varget will be used for my 155.

only issue is i'm going to run out of bullets by summer, and the prices of bullets is gonna go up again.

at 250rounds/ month. i'll need more ammo by the June/ July competitions. those months will be costly including match fees, etc.

it'll give me plenty of time to sling my 18 pound rifle offhand.

Got a 250 ct box of 168 gr. Nosler CC with your name on it that's just taking up space at my place. That'll get you through an extra month :)

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 2:25 PM
Got a 250 ct box of 168 gr. Nosler CC with your name on it that's just taking up space at my place. That'll get you through an extra month :)

woohoo! i love them noslers! tnx!

PistolPete75
12-07-2007, 2:28 PM
time to go home. later guys.

Timberwolf
12-07-2007, 2:56 PM
I'm pretty set for bullet and powder through July (I normally buy twice a year). I'm stocking up on 22lr ammo though and plan to shoot it more than Savannah to conserve her barrel and components

rksimple
12-07-2007, 3:23 PM
The only way to buy powder is by the 8lb jug.
You just gotta be sure you actually LIKE the powder before you commit to 8lbs. :)

Yep, 4 eight pound jugs at a time to save on hazmat.:D

Prc329
12-09-2007, 8:08 PM
WooHoo. Grandma just gave me $200 for christmas so that just paid for my brass. I think I'll get an 8# jug of 4895 to go with it. If I can only tlk the wife out of her $200 I could get 3 jugs.

wildcard
12-09-2007, 9:56 PM
WooHoo. Grandma just gave me $200 for christmas so that just paid for my brass. I think I'll get an 8# jug of 4895 to go with it. If I can only tlk the wife out of her $200 I could get 3 jugs.

Haha.. do that and those will be the only "jugs" you'll be getting your hands on for awhile..

Prc329
12-17-2007, 8:28 AM
Got my brass today, Powder should be here in 2 days so I can load my 300 rounds for the class :D I still have some RL15 left so I think I'll load up the V-Max I have in winny brass just to mess around with.

wildcard
12-17-2007, 8:32 AM
Grr.. forgot to turn on my tumbler before I left the house today!

Prc329
12-17-2007, 8:42 AM
BTW I plan on making an order probably the end of January.

wildcard
12-17-2007, 8:59 AM
BTW I plan on making an order probably the end of January.

Sweet.. that'll give my bank account some time to recover. I spent way too much last month..

Prc329
12-17-2007, 10:04 AM
Must be christmas. My bushings also arrived today. I guess I have an excuse to reload tonight :D

mrkubota
12-17-2007, 10:04 AM
Who has the best price on brass. Grafs is $42 for $100 at dealer cost. Anyone cheaper?

Bruno's is a little bit less on .308, alot less on .223

http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BSS&Category_Code=7L

Shipping might be better too, since they're in AZ....

Prc329
12-17-2007, 10:13 AM
Out of stock.

ocabj
12-17-2007, 10:19 AM
Just order your Lapua brass from Grafs. Their prices are about as low as it gets and they don't bend you over on the shipping (regular or dealer). Even though they never tell you what the shipping cost will be for dealer account orders at the time of order submission online, their freight cost has always been fair when I get the final invoice.

PistolPete75
12-17-2007, 4:49 PM
woohoo i got my c&r finally.

wildcard
12-17-2007, 5:37 PM
woohoo i got my c&r finally.

Hook it up! There's some stuff I want from Midway and Graf's when you put in your next order :)

Prc329
12-17-2007, 5:42 PM
woohoo i got my c&r finally.

make sure you stay on them once you get everything setup. Grafs kept screwing up and it took 2 weeks to get it squared away. Don't forget Brownell's. They like to do the same thing. They set me up but didn't set the dealer flag so I didn't see the dealer pricing. Took 4 calls to get it squared away. Midway just took forever to set it up.

ocabj
12-17-2007, 6:17 PM
make sure you stay on them once you get everything setup. Grafs kept screwing up and it took 2 weeks to get it squared away. Don't forget Brownell's. They like to do the same thing. They set me up but didn't set the dealer flag so I didn't see the dealer pricing. Took 4 calls to get it squared away. Midway just took forever to set it up.

IIRC, you can fax your C&R FFL to Grafs. I know for a fact that Midway accepts a fax.

Brownells wants a signed copy. But, to see dealer pricing, you just set that up yourself. You shouldn't have even called Brownells to set it up for you. Theoretically, anyone can see the dealer pricing online at Brownells.com by editing one's own account type. Just pick the correct customer type under Customer Profile after you login and it will tailor the online pricing accordingly. Of course, you actually need the correct paperwork on file to take advantage of said pricing.

Fjold
12-17-2007, 6:24 PM
$42/100 in 308 is a good price. My 6.5x284 brass from Graf's is $82.99/100

:mad:

Prc329
12-17-2007, 6:30 PM
IIRC, you can fax your C&R FFL to Grafs. I know for a fact that Midway accepts a fax.

Brownells wants a signed copy. But, to see dealer pricing, you just set that up yourself. You shouldn't have even called Brownells to set it up for you. Theoretically, anyone can see the dealer pricing online at Brownells.com by editing one's own account type. Just pick the correct customer type under Customer Profile after you login and it will tailor the online pricing accordingly. Of course, you actually need the correct paperwork on file to take advantage of said pricing.

I did not know that so I called a few times to make sure they got it and set everything up.

Everyone else will accept a fax.

m24armorer
12-17-2007, 6:58 PM
Almost back on topic.....

I use the Lapua .308 brass along with my M118LR stuff.

Seems to have the same results with my 155 Berger loads out of my M40A1.