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dfletcher
11-26-2007, 9:10 AM
First, a quick note that Bond derringers have interchangeable barrels.

I have a Bond Arms derringer in 45 ACP and 32 H & R Magnum. Would possession of their 3.5" barrel chambered for the 45 Colt/410 be illegal in CA? I realize possession of a "short barreled shotgun" in CA is illegal, but is possession of the barrel itself illegal? Does having the capability to construct the short barreled shotgun violate CA law?

AJAX22
11-26-2007, 9:46 AM
IIRC SBS laws include a section for constructive posession, if someone has a link to the proper code I'd appriciate the refference.

I do believe that it would technically be illigal.

ar15barrels
11-26-2007, 9:49 AM
What's the point of owning it if you don't ever assemble it, thereby breaking the law?

FreedomIsNotFree
11-26-2007, 10:00 AM
What's the point of owning it if you don't ever assemble it, thereby breaking the law?

Here is the relevant PC. It comes from 12020.

(c) (1) As used in this section, a "short-barreled shotgun" means
any of the following:
(A) A firearm which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed
shotgun shell and having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches
in length.
(B) A firearm which has an overall length of less than 26 inches
and which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(C) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an
overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less
than 18 inches in length.
(D) Any device which may be readily restored to fire a fixed
shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in
subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive.
(E) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to
convert a device into a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C),
inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in
subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, can be readily assembled if
those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same
person.


This appears to make constructive possession an issue as it relates to short barreled shotguns.

bwiese
11-26-2007, 10:10 AM
This appears to make constructive possession an issue as it relates to short barreled shotguns.

Yep. It's a no-no. Don't own them together (frame + bbl), or have them both under your control (i.e, frame at your main house, bbl at your vacation home).

CA has codified constructive possession for SBRs, SBSes, MGs, DDs, but not for AWs.

dfletcher
11-26-2007, 10:41 AM
Good to know - many thanks. I was going to get the 45LC/419 bbl for my out of state travels, I'll have the item shipped to OR.