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M1Shooter
11-23-2007, 5:04 PM
Anybody got any experience with the .338 Lapua? Friend (now deceased) had one and I fired maybe 5 rounds in it. Kicks butt! Long range tactical/anti-material weapon. Seems to fill a niche between the .300 Win Mag and the Ma Deuce (.50 BMG).

brando
11-23-2007, 5:31 PM
Yes, it's probably one of the best values out there if you want to shoot past 1000m. In fact, in a good rifle with a 27" barrel or so you're good out to a mile. It's not as cheap to load as .308, but it sure is less expensive to load than other extreme range rounds like .408 and .50BMG. They are also be had in many actions.

UBFRAGD
11-23-2007, 5:35 PM
Saw one punch a rather large hole right through a manhole cover at a 100yrds. This is in the category "wow". Ever since then I have been a big fan of the caliber. I was hoping this would stay a secret for a while.

jjperl
11-23-2007, 5:44 PM
My brother just ordered an Ed Brown A3 Tactical in 338 Lapua. Should be a beast. :43:

4 Brigada
11-23-2007, 5:48 PM
Specs say it will penetrate better than standard military body armor at 1000. Not too shaby.

CSACANNONEER
11-23-2007, 6:09 PM
Yes, it's probably one of the best values out there if you want to shoot past 1000m. In fact, in a good rifle with a 27" barrel or so you're good out to a mile. It's not as cheap to load as .308, but it sure is less expensive to load than other extreme range rounds like .408 and .50BMG. They are also be had in many actions.

Although I don't have much experience with the .338 round, I have several friends that do. They have always found that they can load plinking rounds for their 50BMGs cheaper than for their .338 Lapuas.

supersonic
11-23-2007, 6:58 PM
Although I don't have much experience with the .338 round, I have several friends that do. They have always found that they can load plinking rounds for their 50BMGs cheaper than for their .338 Lapuas.

I may be going out on a limb here, but unless you are using new brass for every .338 handload & 50BMG brass that is near the end of service, that's pretty much impossible. Check & compare bullet prices for both calibers (BIG difference), and (even start loads) case capacity for powder (HUGE difference!):confused:

ar15barrels
11-23-2007, 7:03 PM
Saw one punch a rather large hole right through a manhole cover at a 100yrds.
Ever since then I have been a big fan of the caliber.

Some people are easy to please.

Fjold
11-23-2007, 7:29 PM
Saw one punch a rather large hole right through a manhole cover at a 100yrds. This is in the category "wow". Ever since then I have been a big fan of the caliber. I was hoping this would stay a secret for a while.

It's been around for over 20 years, I think the secret's out now.

tankerman
11-23-2007, 8:36 PM
Anybody rechamber their 338 WinMag to 338 Lapua?

I have a left hand Sako 691 with a custom barrel and muzzle brake. Been considering a rechamber

supersonic
11-24-2007, 5:28 AM
It's been around for over 20 years, I think the secret's out now.

Yeah, actually about 25 yrs.!!!!:eek:

CSACANNONEER
11-24-2007, 9:06 AM
I may be going out on a limb here, but unless you are using new brass for every .338 handload & 50BMG brass that is near the end of service, that's pretty much impossible. Check & compare bullet prices for both calibers (BIG difference), and (even start loads) case capacity for powder (HUGE difference!):confused:

I agree! For plinking loads 50 surplus brass, powder and projectiles are much cheaper than any .338 components that I've seen. My 50 BMG match loads cost me about $2.25-2.50/round including brass life. Plinking rounds are costing me well under $1 each using surplus $0.24 APs (APIs are even cheaper but, not allowed in Ca.), cheap primers that I found for $0.12 each and surplus 5010 that I paid $29/8lbs. Of course, todays prices of componants are: 0.29/AP, 0.22/primer, 0.65/(once fired)brass=0.065/loading and surplus 860 or 5010 is $45/8lbs.= about .25/ round.

Total with todays prices = $0.83/round of 50BMG!

Today's Midway prices for .338 are: 0.25/ cheap bullet, 0.03/primmer, I'll assume commercial powder is $20/lb and take a guess that it will be about $0.35/round, and $2.00 for brass (I'll assume 10 loading per brass because I don't know any different) = .20/round.

Total with today's prices = $0.83/round of .338 Lapua!

If anyone can show me that I've made a mistake, please do!

Pulsar
11-24-2007, 11:09 AM
Anybody rechamber their 338 WinMag to 338 Lapua?

I have a left hand Sako 691 with a custom barrel and muzzle brake. Been considering a rechamber

.338 Lapua has a larger rim diameter than .338 win mag, so you've gotta make sure it will fit your bolt face before trying a rechamber. On a sako it shouldn't be a problem, but it's a PITA on something like a rem 700.

hybridatsun350
11-24-2007, 11:17 AM
Some people are easy to please.

That's what I was thinking! haha

M1Shooter
11-24-2007, 11:24 AM
Case diameter and length for .338 Win Mag is .532" and 2.170" while the .338 Lapua is .588" and 2.724" respectively. I'm thinking the .338 Lapua won't fit in a standard "long action" rifle. Furthermore, believe it wouldn't be prudent from a safety standpoint to rechamber your .338 Win Mag to the .338 Lapua; however, this issue is best resolved by a competent gunsmith.

C.G.
11-24-2007, 1:34 PM
Did someone say .338 LM?
http://www.sailmontereybay.com/Photos/Ferret_.338LM2a.JPG

My FAB 10 sports a Ferret .338 Lapua Magnum with a 29" 1 in 10 twist barrel. Who said FAB 10 lowers were worthless?:p

ChrisSig
11-24-2007, 2:44 PM
My brother just ordered an Ed Brown A3 Tactical in 338 Lapua. Should be a beast. :43:

I was looking at their website and didn't find 338 Lapua Mag on their list of calibers:

http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/00463.2.498218942919511363

The chart below contains ALL of the calibers we chamber for, and none that we don't.

ChrisSig
11-24-2007, 2:50 PM
Did someone say .338 LM?
My FAB 10 sports a Ferret .338 Lapua Magnum with a 29" 1 in 10 twist barrel. Who said FAB 10 lowers were worthless?:p

Does Ferret still make a .338 Lapua?? All I found are .50's...

brando
11-24-2007, 3:05 PM
Their 50 uppers are fantastic, but honestly I wouldn't use a normal AR lower with them. I know, I know, you need an AW registered AR lower in the first place. But here's the problem: normal AR lowers are LIGHT and trust me, you'll want a heavy lower on a 50BMG rifle. Ferret lowers are made with steel for a reason. I think you've also got to replace part of the guts to handle striking the 50BMG primers, so it's not like you should be swapping out your M4 upper for a 50BMG upper. Not that simple.

I could be wrong though - not speaking from personal experience here.

M1Shooter
11-24-2007, 3:12 PM
I was looking at their website and didn't find 338 Lapua Mag on their list of calibers:

http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/00463.2.498218942919511363

Maybe the guy is thinking H-S Precision; they make an awesome heavy tactical rifle chambered in the .338 Lapua.

http://www.hsprecision.com/index.htm

CSACANNONEER
11-24-2007, 4:22 PM
Their 50 uppers are fantastic, but honestly I wouldn't use a normal AR lower with them. I know, I know, you need an AW registered AR lower in the first place. But here's the problem: normal AR lowers are LIGHT and trust me, you'll want a heavy lower on a 50BMG rifle. Ferret lowers are made with steel for a reason. I think you've also got to replace part of the guts to handle striking the 50BMG primers, so it's not like you should be swapping out your M4 upper for a 50BMG upper. Not that simple.

I could be wrong though - not speaking from personal experience here.

I am speaking from experience. Regular mil spec lowers are just fine with 50BMG uppers. My upper is an ALS but, I know many people with Ferret uppers (on mil-spec lowers), a few with Bohicas and even a couple with Watson Weapon uppers. They all work fine with regular lowers! I have never heard of a lower failling because it was on a 50 upper. Dave does make a steel lower but, it is not required. Also, my lower has a special Jard trigger, hammer and hammer spring custom made for ALS.

M1Shooter
11-24-2007, 4:33 PM
How did we get off topic? This thread started out ".338 Lapua" not .50 BMG. Granted some have submitted interesting information regarding their .50caliber weapons, the fact remains it has noting to do with the main topic. If anyone is offended, I'm sorry!

C.G.
11-24-2007, 6:20 PM
Does Ferret still make a .338 Lapua?? All I found are .50's...


Yes, he does, just scroll down the page:
http://www.ferret50.com/ordering.html
He also will do .510DTC and .408 Chey Tac (and other calibers on demand).

C.G.
11-24-2007, 6:26 PM
I am speaking from experience. Regular mil spec lowers are just fine with 50BMG uppers. My upper is an ALS but, I know many people with Ferret uppers (on mil-spec lowers), a few with Bohicas and even a couple with Watson Weapon uppers. They all work fine with regular lowers! I have never heard of a lower failling because it was on a 50 upper. Dave does make a steel lower but, it is not required. Also, my lower has a special Jard trigger, hammer and hammer spring custom made for ALS.

My lower is just fine with the .338 LM and I don't see a problem with bigger calibers on an AR lower. The nice thing about the Ferret lowers is that they are heavier than standard lowers (by around 2 lbs, if I remember correctly) and will help out on the re-coil. Since my Lapua does not have a brake, it does kick a bit and little more mass on the lower could help that.

BTW, as a part of the kit I also received a different hammer for the .338 LM.

blindluck
11-24-2007, 6:56 PM
338LM is awesome but there might be a better way.

Consider starting with a 700 sendero in 338RUM to get similar if not same ballistics for a significantly less expensive firearm. If you want to rebarrel, true action, refine trigger or do other work than there are many more smiths that have experience on the remington platform. Also, there are more great aftermarket parts for remington 700 from bases, triggers, stocks, bottom metal etc. when compared to any other bolt gun.

Just a thought...:o

CRTguns
11-24-2007, 8:20 PM
Echo that on the RUM cartridge. Uses a std action, lapua needs a "special" action. Truth is, if you add 3" of bbl to the RUM, you match the lapua for speed. You can rebarrel any LA rem to a 338 RUM, gat box mag kits from any of 4 mfgs, and restock with just about anything. Loaded ammo starts at about 2.50 for RUM, and 4.00 for lapua. Brass for lapua is about twuce the $$$.

I have owned both- I still have the RUM.

supersonic
11-25-2007, 8:55 AM
Saw one punch a rather large hole right through a manhole cover at a 100yrds. This is in the category "wow". Ever since then I have been a big fan of the caliber. I was hoping this would stay a secret for a while.

I think that would definitely be a BIG "WOW" considering manhole covers are, what, 1-11/2" thick cast iron (& in some cases forged steel) and are made to withstand a lifetime of abuse to the tune of several million tons of downward weight pressure? AND at 1500 meters, the 300 grain projectile of the .338LM is STILL carrying the same amount of energy that you would find in a full-power load of a .44 Reminton Magnum hand cannon......at the MUZZLE.:confused: .338 Lapua: I'll TAKE it!!!!!!!!!:D

supersonic
11-25-2007, 9:19 AM
Did someone say .338 LM?
http://www.sailmontereybay.com/Photos/Ferret_.338LM2a.JPG

My FAB 10 sports a Ferret .338 Lapua Magnum with a 29" 1 in 10 twist barrel. Who said FAB 10 lowers were worthless?:p

What is the felt recoil like on that thing? I'm VERY curious as there is no brake on the business end of the pipe!:eek:

Harbinger
11-25-2007, 9:34 AM
I think that would definitely be a BIG "WOW" considering manhole covers are, what, 1-11/2" thick cast iron (& in some cases forged steel) and are made to withstand a lifetime of abuse to the tune of several million tons of downward weight pressure? AND at 1500 meters, the 300 grain projectile of the .338LM is STILL carrying the same amount of energy that you would find in a full-power load of a .44 Reminton Magnum hand cannon......at the MUZZLE.:confused: .338 Lapua: I'll TAKE it!!!!!!!!!:D

We're not ragging on you, but 'cast iron' and 'forged steel' aren't that hard when hit by supersonic rifle ammo. You'd probably be just as amazed by M2 ball, M80 ball or quite possibly even M855.

Mike

Vepr62
11-25-2007, 9:37 AM
I am building (actually gathering parts now) a .338 LM rifle on Stiller receiver. I bought 200 piecess of brass on E-Bay a day before they banned reloading components for $180. If it will take 10 reloads, I have 2000 rouns worth of brass. I understand that Stiller receiver is a bit longer that Remington 700 LA receiver. Can AICS stock be modified for Stiller receiver and have enough strenght left to manage the recoil? Or what McMillan stock would you reccomend? thanks.
Vasiliy

4 Brigada
11-25-2007, 9:41 AM
I understand that Stiller receiver is a bit longer that Remington 700 LA receiver. Can AICS stock be modified for Stiller receiver

Vepr62 AI makes a .#338 LM. Check with them they were really helpful when I need their assistance on a stock issue

ar15barrels
11-25-2007, 11:52 AM
Can AICS stock be modified for Stiller receiver and have enough strenght left to manage the recoil?

I think the issue is that they don't make an AICS that will take the AI 338 Lapua length magazines.
The 338 Lapua is only an option in an AI gun.

So while you might be able to modify an AICS, it's going to end up as a single shot.

C.G.
11-25-2007, 12:20 PM
What is the felt recoil like on that thing? I'm VERY curious as there is no brake on the business end of the pipe!:eek:

More than .308 without a brake and less than my .50 Beowulf with a brake. It is a fairly heavy upper (I'll have to weigh it one of these days) which lessens the recoil some. I've only shot 15 rounds to date, once I'll have a hundred down the pipe I'll decide whether to put a brake on or not.

CRTguns
11-25-2007, 1:19 PM
I have a 300 win that put a hole through 1.75" of cast iron- a hard tool grade angle block... putting a hole in steel only requires upward of 2000 ft/lb energy.


The pic here is the same .300 through 3/4" steel- note that the hole caused by the .30 bullet is over .600" accross... this mild steel would be penetrable by this .300 up to 2" at that rate. The bottom hole is a .223 55fmj AE. The deep black hole was a 7.62x54R, the top is a South african .7.62 nato.
All fired at 200yds.
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc216/crtguns/P1030344.jpg

ar15barrels
11-25-2007, 3:19 PM
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc216/crtguns/P1030344.jpg

You can take the tags off the safe now. ;)

thmpr
11-25-2007, 3:40 PM
Cartridge comparison: From Left to right: 50 BMG, 338 LM, 308, 50 Beowulf, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8SPC and the most popular--> 223.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o251/thmpr464/Ammocomparison.jpg


http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o251/thmpr464/338DieSet.jpg

ar15barrels
11-25-2007, 3:48 PM
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o251/thmpr464/338DieSet.jpg

I shortened the underside of the seating die on my 1050 setup for 223 this weekend.
WHAT a difference.
There's so much more finger room to get the bullets into place over the case of the mouth now. :)

CRTguns
11-25-2007, 4:37 PM
That's in my store...

dfletcher
11-25-2007, 11:13 PM
A friend has a pair of 338 LMs - an AR 30 bolt and an HS Precision take down heavy bbl tactical. Big price difference. I think the AR is about the best value out there for the LM and shooting them is definitely fun. The brake on the AR is about the best I've seen.

Loaded ammo - or even empty brass for reloading is expensive. I think as a practical matter the 338 RUM will work just as well.

ohsmily
11-26-2007, 7:54 AM
I am very satisfied with my TRG-42 (338LM). Just know that you must reload for the 338 for two reasons #1 to maximize the accuracy potential of your rifle and the cartridge and #2 factory loaded ammunition is $4/round on the low end.

Recoil in he TRG-42 with the factory brake is stiff, but far less than my 300 win mag hunting (read: lighter weight) rifles without a brake.

simon_sw
11-26-2007, 8:07 AM
For what it's worth regarding the AICS Magazines. The AICS Long Action Chassis can accept the 338 Lapua magazines meant for the AI rifles (the real deal AI rifles).

You can use the 338 Lapua magazines for AICS remmys chambered in 300 RUM or for 338 Lapua. The stock magazine that comes with the AICS Long Action chassis is the 300 Win Mag magazine.

As to the longer receiver of the stiller action, you may want to ask a smith to see how it might fit in the AI chassis. My experience has been that Tac Pro, AI's distrubutor doesn't seem to help much in regards to modifications.

I am in the process of trying to get a 300 RUM Rem 700 P build going right now for a AICS 1.5 chassis.

ar15barrels
11-26-2007, 8:20 AM
For what it's worth regarding the AICS Magazines. The AICS Long Action Chassis can accept the 338 Lapua magazines meant for the AI rifles (the real deal AI rifles).

You can use the 338 Lapua magazines for AICS remmys chambered in 300 RUM or for 338 Lapua. The stock magazine that comes with the AICS Long Action chassis is the 300 Win Mag magazine.

I have never handled an AICS long action magazine so excuse my questions...
Do the 300 win mag magazines have a spacer to take up the extra length?

tankerman
11-26-2007, 10:35 AM
Case diameter and length for .338 Win Mag is .532" and 2.170" while the .338 Lapua is .588" and 2.724" respectively. I'm thinking the .338 Lapua won't fit in a standard "long action" rifle. Furthermore, believe it wouldn't be prudent from a safety standpoint to rechamber your .338 Win Mag to the .338 Lapua; however, this issue is best resolved by a competent gunsmith.

Other than the issue of OAL why would you make the comment?

Operating pressure is similar +/- 65,000 psi.

So where does the "safety standpoint" opinion come from?

M1Shooter
11-26-2007, 12:24 PM
Just an opinion Tankerman like everybody elses on this forum. I stand by my statement though the the issue of rechambering one's rifle is best left to a competent gunsmith. Are you one, my friend??????? Also, are you "big and ugly" as your profile states or just "fat and homely?"

simon_sw
11-26-2007, 3:07 PM
Randy,

Actually it doesn't have a spacer. I wouldn't mind stopping by your shop one day with the 300 Win Mag magazine and the 338 Lapua one for you to compare. It's also the perfect excuse to visit and see if you could install a muzzle brake for my 300 Win mag 110fp.

The 300 Win Mag actually seems like it can fit one of the 300 RUM or 338 Lapua rounds but I don't think it could fit more than 1 300 RUM or 338 Lapua or else it would have feeding issues.

Sorry if it sounded rude about answering the mag questions, I just figured I would chime in on what I knew about the AICS mags. I saw in previous posts you were pretty interested in the AICS design.

tankerman
11-26-2007, 3:41 PM
Just an opinion Tankerman like everybody elses on this forum. I stand by my statement though the the issue of rechambering one's rifle is best left to a competent gunsmith. Are you one, my friend??????? Also, are you "big and ugly" as your profile states or just "fat and homely?"

Feeling a little sensitive?

Nothing in my post was offensive all I did was ask you to qualify your statement. Lighten up.

If you are really intested in knowing if I am Big and Ugly or "Fat and Homely" you decide. I am 6'4" 235 lbs. See ya around.

ar15barrels
11-26-2007, 6:03 PM
I wouldn't mind stopping by your shop one day with the 300 Win Mag magazine and the 338 Lapua one for you to compare.

That would be great.
It would help my savage AICS magazine compatible stock project along.

supersonic
12-03-2007, 7:58 AM
We're not ragging on you, but 'cast iron' and 'forged steel' aren't that hard when hit by supersonic rifle ammo. You'd probably be just as amazed by M2 ball, M80 ball or quite possibly even M855.

Mike

Just stumbled across this thread again, and realized something. I probably would be just as amazed. I also am amazed @ individuals that refer to themselves in second person, or plural!!!!!!!:p (quite possibly a typo??????)

-hanko
12-03-2007, 8:06 AM
Just stumbled across this thread again, and realized something. Iprobably would be just as amazed. I also am amazed @ individuals that refer to themselves in the second person, or plural!!!!!!!:p
I agree:rolleyes:

It's known as the "kingly we".

I would think maybe "we" is used 1/due to ignorance, 2/answering the post with another person, 3/, a Jeff Cooper wannabee, 4/ an undiagnosed case of multiple personalities, or 5/more self importance than one person can handle.;)

It's an affectation, just like Madonna's phony brit accent.

We thank you for posting:D

-hanko