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vliberatore
05-13-2013, 5:17 PM
(5/13/2013)For my grad school graduation, my mom and dad (Calgunner: Leatherneck) decided to get me a new rifle. After much deliberation between .223 vs. .308, and Savage vs. Remington, I picked up a Remington 700 in .308, with a Vortex Diamondback 3.5-10x50 scope, and a Harris bipod. I'm beyond excited to take this out to this range this week!

Here's some low-quality cell phone pics. I will add ones with better resolution ASAP and a range report will follow by the end of the week!


From this...
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/IMGP03991_zps3f8b2879.jpg

To this....
(2/28/2014)
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/photo_zps14b0f936.jpg

Remington 700 .308
Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50
Manners T5A in coyote, action bedded by Tom Manners
Timney 510 Trigger
PTG DBM
Harris BR bipod

Probably won't make it out to the range this weekend since it's going to snow 6-9" and won't get above 30 degrees, but next weekend for sure.

E92335i
05-13-2013, 5:52 PM
Nice one!

michaelthetrojan
05-13-2013, 5:55 PM
prices?
how much for the rifle?

pontiacpratt
05-13-2013, 6:01 PM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/429322_380645882011253_1130686680_n.jpg
Yours looks exactly like mine did when I first bought it. It's changed a little bit since then.;)

russt
05-13-2013, 6:02 PM
Congrats!

vliberatore
05-13-2013, 6:42 PM
prices?
how much for the rifle?

Approximately...

700 ADL Varmint .308: $450
Vortex Diamondback 3.5-10x50:$240
Leupold base/rings: $60
Harris Bipod: $82
200 rounds of .308: $180

E92335i
05-13-2013, 6:56 PM
what ammo are you going to feed it?

vliberatore
05-13-2013, 7:06 PM
what ammo are you going to feed it?

Picked up mostly PMC (147gr) and some Hornady 168gr Amax match ammo to get me started. Being fresh out of school and living in apartments I haven't had a chance to get into reloading yet. That is the plan for my next purchase but this should get me into the basics at least.

This is my first rifle in anything larger than .223 so I'm pretty excited. I have a lot to learn about precision shooting, but this is my start.

E92335i
05-13-2013, 7:17 PM
Nice! Same here just started shooting 308. No plans on reloading. Zero'd mine with hunting ammo. Range report on those ammo!

Just.a.guy
05-13-2013, 8:17 PM
Was the cat included in the price?

milw50717
05-13-2013, 8:25 PM
Congrats. Shoot well and prosper.

Dinosaur Jr
05-13-2013, 8:54 PM
Very nice! I too recently landed my first bolt gun. Remington 700 SPS Varmint TH MZ 20".

Been working on a break-in process I found in Precision Shooting Magazine and almost done.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UnkHFwUx4b0/UVhwL3Qb2nI/AAAAAAAABtw/mXLGUrqItsk/s320/photo-6.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mEjPf8gkZPY/UVhwlWRvtCI/AAAAAAAABt4/Uaq6xeXHuMM/s320/photo-5.JPG

G60
05-13-2013, 9:09 PM
That's a big cat.

pmrsino
05-13-2013, 9:32 PM
Nice rifle. Still looking around for a lefty 308 variant

Neff
05-13-2013, 9:34 PM
Approximately...

700 ADL Varmint .308: $450
Vortex Diamondback 3.5-10x50:$240
Leupold base/rings: $60
Harris Bipod: $82
200 rounds of .308: $180

That's my next purchase!

I somewhat wish I purchased a 308 before my 12ga pump, cause now I'm broke! :facepalm:

michaelthetrojan
05-14-2013, 9:11 AM
Approximately...

700 ADL Varmint .308: $450
Vortex Diamondback 3.5-10x50:$240
Leupold base/rings: $60
Harris Bipod: $82
200 rounds of .308: $180

where can you pick up a rem 700 for under 5 bills?:eek:

congrats to you!

vliberatore
05-14-2013, 9:33 AM
where can you pick up a rem 700 for under 5 bills?:eek:

congrats to you!

Cabela's!

It's the ADL model so no-frills (No DBM, basic stock, etc.) but will suit me well for getting into medium range shooting. I imagine eventually I will upgrade the stock, scope, etc. but will not need to for a while.

michaelthetrojan
05-14-2013, 10:24 AM
what about the trigger? is savages accu trigger better?

vliberatore
05-14-2013, 10:52 AM
what about the trigger? is savages accu trigger better?

It has the Remington X-Mark Pro trigger (3.5-4lb break) on it and seems awesome from what little I've dry fired it. I'm headed to the range tomorrow so I'll be able to say more then.

Having never shot a Savage with accutrigger, it's hard for me to compare the two.

Linus
05-14-2013, 11:05 AM
Don't let living in an apartment hold you back from reloading. A single stage press doesn't take up too much room. I've been doing it for years, you just have to be organized a bit more and live with roomates/gf that won't mind.

michaelthetrojan
05-14-2013, 11:13 AM
It has the Remington X-Mark Pro trigger (3.5-4lb break) on it and seems awesome from what little I've dry fired it. I'm headed to the range tomorrow so I'll be able to say more then.

Having never shot a Savage with accutrigger, it's hard for me to compare the two.

let me know!
thanks to you i have decided on the rem 700. cant wait!

vliberatore
05-14-2013, 1:31 PM
Don't let living in an apartment hold you back from reloading. A single stage press doesn't take up too much room. I've been doing it for years, you just have to be organized a bit more and live with roomates/gf that won't mind.

This is true. Guess I know what my next purchase is going to be ;)

postal
05-14-2013, 5:40 PM
I think accu trigger is better than xmark out of the box.

However, if you're not afraid of polishing, an xmark trigger can be tuned up quite nicely. Note- DO NOT CHANGE ANGLES!!!! just smooth out the parts with machining marks..

Congrats.

You will notice an accuracy improvement with better ammo. Hornady is good. Black hills match and fed gold medal match set the standard for accuracy.

Save all your brass. When you start reloading, you can make pretty good cheaper ammo with the Amax, or premium ammo with sierra match king 175g for a little more. In any case... save all your brass.

Reloading... for precision rifle, single stage press like the Lee is preferred. Pay close attention to powder charge for every single round. Weigh each charge.

For quantity over quality (hand gun/AR) multi stage press is preferred. Crank it out and dont care.

Have fun.... and go to caprc.com to learn more about long range shooting. There is very little long range rifle traffic on this site, caprc is a low traffic site, but dedicated to long range.

CobraRed
05-14-2013, 5:53 PM
Hornady 167gr Amax

Orly?

vliberatore
05-14-2013, 6:43 PM
I think accu trigger is better than xmark out of the box.

However, if you're not afraid of polishing, an xmark trigger can be tuned up quite nicely. Note- DO NOT CHANGE ANGLES!!!! just smooth out the parts with machining marks..

Congrats.

You will notice an accuracy improvement with better ammo. Hornady is good. Black hills match and fed gold medal match set the standard for accuracy.

Save all your brass. When you start reloading, you can make pretty good cheaper ammo with the Amax, or premium ammo with sierra match king 175g for a little more. In any case... save all your brass.

Reloading... for precision rifle, single stage press like the Lee is preferred. Pay close attention to powder charge for every single round. Weigh each charge.

For quantity over quality (hand gun/AR) multi stage press is preferred. Crank it out and dont care.

Have fun.... and go to caprc.com to learn more about long range shooting. There is very little long range rifle traffic on this site, caprc is a low traffic site, but dedicated to long range.

Lots of good advice here! Lucky for me, my dad is on CaPRC (I just joined) and has told me the same things. He reloads and will be reloading for me until I get my own press. The cheap ammo is just to get me started. Brass is most definitely getting saved! Thanks for the good advice, it can be a little overwhelming to people new to medium-long range shooting.

Orly?

Nope, 168gr. :o

ar15barrels
05-14-2013, 10:04 PM
Lots of good advice here! Lucky for me, my dad is on CaPRC (I just joined) and has told me the same things.

It was funny when I read this thread because your dad was just discussing the purchase with us on CAPRC before he bought it for you...

vliberatore
05-15-2013, 1:40 PM
Found some time to head to the Lake City range today. Besides it being about 90 degrees, I couldn't have had a better time there.

After sighting it in at 100yds, here's the best groups I got (Harris Bi-pod, no rear rest, from the bench):

PMC Bronze 147gr
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/51513range_zpsa24d05e2.jpg (http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/vliberatore/media/51513range_zpsa24d05e2.jpg.html)

Hornady Amax Match 168gr
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/DSCF0428_zps295d201f.jpg (http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/vliberatore/media/DSCF0428_zps295d201f.jpg.html)
I flinched on that one flier. Shooter in the lane next to me shot just before I did.

I have a lot to work on getting my groupings better, but this is exactly what I want to learn on. For now it's going to be a lot of reading on technique in order to get my groups better.

AlliedArmory
05-15-2013, 3:22 PM
Congrats on the 700! Excellent rifle.

cfusionpm
05-15-2013, 3:45 PM
With some practice, you can get those holes touching each other. The Remington 700 is a great gun, even in factory specs. I have the SPS Tactical (20" heavy barrel with mediocre hogue rubber stock) and it'll do 1/2MOA just fine with Federal Gold Medal Match 168s and I'm not even that good of a shot! (numbers are how many rounds in the group. Couple of same-hole shots. :) )

http://imageshack.us/a/img821/7596/20120402124030635edit.jpg

vliberatore
05-15-2013, 4:19 PM
With some practice, you can get those holes touching each other.

That's the end goal!

This is my first rifle that's larger than a .223 and was the 2nd time I've ever shot a rifle in .308. Lots of practice to be done, but that's the fun part!

Wicked Pete
05-15-2013, 4:34 PM
Nice rifle. I had one...sold it....whaaaaaaaa.

maggie06
05-15-2013, 4:37 PM
Teach that cat the four rules!

E92335i
05-15-2013, 5:35 PM
Nothing wrong with some plinking ammo. It's fun shooting some water bottles at 100 yards with it and see it explode!

Good grouping can be acquired with match ammo. I'm also not a good shooter. Here's some of my target just now too. Those quarters are dead and also head shot/center mass shot on Prairie Chuck at 100 yards.

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/E92335/85E384AA-A487-4061-BFD8-9944D56696B7-9018-00000600D05D0952_zps7c6429b5.jpg
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/E92335/200DF2BF-FB4B-4EE7-AEA5-4F00E387898A-9018-00000600D4190A47_zps4981dad1.jpg
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/E92335/262E200E-1C8B-4819-956D-8B5EDF0B64E2-9018-00000600D8D1B77A_zps9edbd220.jpg

vliberatore
05-31-2013, 2:12 PM
2nd time out at the range today and already making progress. I've practiced my breathing, dry firing, and positioning and it seems to have paid off. PMC ammo was a little frustrating. It seems like I'd get two shots that touch, then the next two would be 1" off. Good for working on my technique even if the results aren't what I would expect. Finally ended the day shooting 168gr Hornady A-max match ammo. Very happy with the results. Still only at 100 yards but I'm hoping to get it out at some longer distances soon.

http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/Remington%20700/130531_0000_zpsae525830.jpg (http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/vliberatore/media/Remington%20700/130531_0000_zpsae525830.jpg.html)

G60
05-31-2013, 2:14 PM
Why did you delete the picture of the gigantic cat? =(

vliberatore
05-31-2013, 2:44 PM
Created a "Remington 700" album on Photobucket so the link no longer works.

Here ya go ;)

http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/Remington%20700/IMG_1736_zps047714d2.jpg (http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/vliberatore/media/Remington%20700/IMG_1736_zps047714d2.jpg.html)

postal
05-31-2013, 3:30 PM
HAHAHA!!!! That is a big cat.....

You're a quick learner. However, 3 shot groups are nice, It's 5 shot groups as standard measure of accuracy.

Were you using a rear bag? Shooting for groups, you really need one.

Just take a long tube sock and put rice/lentils or something in it- about the size of a baseball, twist the sock, then pull the ankle/calf section of the sock back down over the foot part with the rice to double over it. Or you can pay $20-40 for a tacticool one.... (I use a sock with rice)

Place it under the butt, holding it with your left hand. Steady the rear with your sock and squeeze it to raise the butt, or mash the butt down into it to lower.

I forgot about your Dads thread on caprc! HAHA! Looks like you're off to a great start. Congrats!

vliberatore
05-31-2013, 4:12 PM
HAHAHA!!!! That is a big cat.....

You're a quick learner. However, 3 shot groups are nice, It's 5 shot groups as standard measure of accuracy.

Were you using a rear bag? Shooting for groups, you really need one.

Just take a long tube sock and put rice/lentils or something in it- about the size of a baseball, twist the sock, then pull the ankle/calf section of the sock back down over the foot part with the rice to double over it. Or you can pay $20-40 for a tacticool one.... (I use a sock with rice)

Place it under the butt, holding it with your left hand. Steady the rear with your sock and squeeze it to raise the butt, or mash the butt down into it to lower.

I forgot about your Dads thread on caprc! HAHA! Looks like you're off to a great start. Congrats!

I'll remember to shoot 5 shot groups next time ;)

I was not using a rear bag, but I have been looking into investing in one. Rice in an old sock is definitely within my budget.

Thanks for the advice/tips, I'm trying to learn as much as I can.

postal
05-31-2013, 5:47 PM
It's a world of difference using a rear bag/sock.

Get setup in position with the sock, the only thing that moves the rifle, is your right hand squeezing up on the trigger....

My local competition specifically does not allow rear bags. Though he does let you use a shooting glove or a towel/shemagh wrapped around your hand.

You could try a shemagh easily enough. I usually take a corner and start twisting it like rolling up a towel to make a rat tail, grab it inside the palm and start wrapping the rest of it around the back of my hand/accross palm/back hand until I build it up as thick as I need it.

The point I'm making, is if you can use a rear support of some type, you are far more accurate. When you shoot for groups (5 shots!) 1- focus and take your time. 2- use a rear rest- either a sock/shemagh/dedicated rear bag. It really helps steady the rifle. When you try it, you'll be amazed how fixed the reticle looks on the bullseye. It's like it's glued there. Try it at home to get used to it. Dry fire a bunch, to watch how you squeeze and potentially move the rifle during the squeeze. If it does move, this is the first thing you need to fix...

vliberatore
05-31-2013, 6:22 PM
Good to know, thank you! I have plenty of rice and socks so that seems like the easiest way to go.

Looks like good weather out here next week (been storming the last 4 days) and I'll have some time to get to the range!

(Also got a LaRua 20MOA rail that I need to mount on courtesy of my dad. Yes, I do realize that I may be spoiled :p)

postal
05-31-2013, 7:48 PM
HAHA! Spoiled little brat! (with a spoiled fat cat!)

Are you currently in Kansas then?

If you can find a precision rifle match near you. Just go, watch and ask questions. You'll learn a ton just seeing how other people do things. You can see what gear people use and why they like it- check it out just for future reference when you decide to upgrade, but most importantly just to see how different people approach a problem.

Competition is by far the fastest way to learn. Even as a spectator. Introduce yourself. Say you're new, and want to get into this game. People will talk all about their gear what they like/dont like... and you'll see how people approach a situation. It gives you tons of things to try, and think about. Bring a camera to take pics for reference for shooting positions and such. How people set up a make shift position. with/without a sling, or backpack or whatever. See all the ways to approach a problem, and decide for yourself what you are comfortable with. You'll see some stages you can use as a lesson on how you would shoot it. what position. Dry fire a stage at home. Move from position, change your scope, take new position, etc.

The more comfortable you are with dialing your scope for a distance, and setting up into position, dryfire it- the more natural it would be under pressure. Everyone tanks in competition from pressure... I see it every month. Stupid mistakes no one would ever normally make, but the clock is ticking and you forgot a critical step in dialing or resetting your scope, or paralax focus... or something....

By the way... last monthly match, I was last- by far. I'm no expert. I've been around this stuff off and on for quite a few years. I'm trying to steer you in the right direction, but a few of people here, and most people at caprc know a lot more than I do. (If I give you any wrong advice, plently of that gang will quickly come in and correct me though! so what I do tell you is most likely decent advice unless an experienced shooters says otherwise)

Regards,
Good shooting,
have fun,
and keep learning!

vliberatore
08-25-2013, 10:57 AM
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/Remington%20700/photo7_zpsadf492eb.jpg (http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/vliberatore/media/Remington%20700/photo7_zpsadf492eb.jpg.html)
Don't have time to take it out today, so next weekend I'll dial it in.

Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 EBR-1 MOA reticle.

vliberatore
02-28-2014, 1:55 PM
Updated OP bump.

SNCaliber
02-28-2014, 1:57 PM
great lookin rifle!

BoJackUSMC
02-28-2014, 3:29 PM
wow, nice looking REM 700 you got there. Mine is bone stock and I am planning to keep it that way.

Gemini Effect
02-28-2014, 3:38 PM
Nice spotting cat.

vliberatore
02-28-2014, 3:49 PM
great lookin rifle!


wow, nice looking REM 700 you got there. Mine is bone stock and I am planning to keep it that way.

Thanks guys. I couldn't stand the SPS stock that it came with and I figured I'd treat myself to a nice stock since I got a bonus this year. Nothing wrong with stock guns, it's usually the nut behind the trigger.

Nice spotting cat.

She does an okay job, but didn't like the smell on the new stock so she is keeping her distance.

Teeko
02-28-2014, 3:59 PM
This thread makes me want to regret selling my 700 :facepalm:

JMP
02-28-2014, 4:06 PM
I'd make you an offer on that cat, but my litter box is maxed out.

vliberatore
02-28-2014, 4:12 PM
I'd make you an offer on that cat, but my litter box is maxed out.

The way it's been acting lately I'll pay you to take it ;)

ElvenSoul
02-28-2014, 4:13 PM
This great for a apartment
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-equipment/reloading-dies/rifle-dies/lee-classic-loader-308-win-sku100100506-54664-110959.aspx

vliberatore
02-28-2014, 4:21 PM
This great for a apartment
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-equipment/reloading-dies/rifle-dies/lee-classic-loader-308-win-sku100100506-54664-110959.aspx

I prefer this :p
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/photo15_zps6407f9a2.jpg

osis32
02-28-2014, 4:28 PM
man I wish my parents bought me stuff. too bad my moms rabid anti gun. looks like youre well on your way. very nice rig. Im looking for that scope myself. how do you like it?

vliberatore
02-28-2014, 4:34 PM
man I wish my parents bought me stuff. too bad my moms rabid anti gun. looks like youre well on your way. very nice rig. Im looking for that scope myself. how do you like it?

I like it a lot. Very clear and IMO it's among the best you can get in that price range. You can find them on SH in the $800 price range if you wait, or $850+ if you don't want to wait.

I haven't had a need to crank up the magnification due to mirage and I'm hoping that changes soon with the new ranges opening up around here.

09cs
02-28-2014, 9:14 PM
Good lookin rig you got there!

GJC
02-28-2014, 9:18 PM
Very nice OP!

Xtracrispy
03-01-2014, 5:36 AM
Very nice. Hope to get my 700 looking like yours someday and out of the Hogue it's in now. Bet she shoots nice.

vliberatore
03-01-2014, 5:42 AM
Very nice. Hope to get my 700 looking like yours someday and out of the Hogue it's in now. Bet she shoots nice.

I was getting 3/4 MOA before with the factory stock but we'll see how she shoots today in the cold.

vliberatore
03-01-2014, 11:31 AM
Took it out this AM in the 15 degree temps (fees like 2) since tomorrow the high is 8 degrees and I didn't want to wait a week to shoot. Here's my best 5 shot group. Always seem to jerk one though.

http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o747/vliberatore/photo2_zpsd03e943e.jpg

Motor Man
03-01-2014, 1:36 PM
Are you sure that's not a dog in a cat coat? It's a monster.

defcon
03-01-2014, 1:46 PM
how come you didnt go with the .223?

thats what im debating right now

Cypriss32
03-01-2014, 2:02 PM
Nice job. Do you like the T5?

vliberatore
03-01-2014, 3:30 PM
Are you sure that's not a dog in a cat coat? It's a monster.

Haha she was 17lbs at one point before we put her on a diet. Down below 14 now but still a big cat.

how come you didnt go with the .223?

thats what im debating right now

I went .308 for a few reasons but the biggest I would say is the distance that the .308 can be used for compared to the .223. Plenty of people shoot the .308 at 1k and do it well. I don't hear about that with the .223.

Another point that many (including me) use for .223 bolt guns are using ammo between your AR and the bolt gun. Then I realized that my AR ammo is not the ammo that I want for precision shooting.

Ultimately I think I'd be happy with either, but I feel like the .308 gives me more room to grow with it.

Nice job. Do you like the T5?

I love it. I have always liked thumbhole stocks and this is by far my favorite one. The hook is in a great position and I was able to get a great cheek weld with the adjustable cheek piece.

Cypriss32
03-01-2014, 3:33 PM
I love it. I have always liked thumbhole stocks and this is by far my favorite one. The hook is in a great position and I was able to get a great cheek weld with the adjustable cheek piece.

I like them too, I always like to ask about what people think. I just picked up a T5 for my PSS 300win. Got a smokin deal on it. I love the fact its less then half the weight of the AICS stocks and has the same feel for me. Over 2 pounds weight savings really adds up.

NorCalFocus
03-13-2014, 7:50 PM
I went .308 for a few reasons but the biggest I would say is the distance that the .308 can be used for compared to the .223. Plenty of people shoot the .308 at 1k and do it well. I don't hear about that with the .223.

Another point that many (including me) use for .223 bolt guns are using ammo between your AR and the bolt gun. Then I realized that my AR ammo is not the ammo that I want for precision shooting.

Ultimately I think I'd be happy with either, but I feel like the .308 gives me more room to grow with it.

Wow, someone that finally gets it!