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glockwitknocks
11-20-2007, 3:46 PM
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TMC
11-20-2007, 3:52 PM
Anything in .308

Sorry, had to be said

JHC
11-20-2007, 3:55 PM
Good for sniping squirrels http://www.savagearms.com/10XPredator.htm

sloguy
11-20-2007, 3:57 PM
i have always been led to believe that 223 was too light for sniping. that the minimum caliber should be 308 or larger.

Astig Boy
11-20-2007, 4:08 PM
Anything in .308

Sorry, had to be said

i have always been led to believe that 223 was too light for sniping. that the minimum caliber should be 308 or larger.

Exactly why I abandoned my AR15 sniper rifle project. :D

PistolPete75
11-20-2007, 4:17 PM
as for a factory built rifle, i would say remington 700p .223
barrel is 1:9 twist, so you can load the 77grainers with no issues. you would want to keep the range under 600yards though.

the savage is also a good route too.

if you want a match grade ar with no budget, go les baer upper. only downside is that you need a friend out of state to recieve it, and then he would have to ship it to you.

DedEye
11-20-2007, 4:18 PM
Such a thing exists :confused:?

Max-the-Silent
11-20-2007, 4:21 PM
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I wouldn't use one, but if you used the 5.56 version (if available) from off-the-shelf 7.62 bolt action DM rifles you'd be going in the right direction.

I specifiy the bolt guns because I've never found a self loader, even ones "tuned", that will hold with a good heavy barreled bolt gun in 5.56.

PistolPete75
11-20-2007, 4:30 PM
you should take the word, "sniper", out and replace it with precision tactical shooting. i don't think your intending to kill people. i'm thinking you just want to have fun shooting a rifle with 1moa or better accuracy. right? then no one will give you all the hoo rah about shooting a .223

PIRATE14
11-20-2007, 4:34 PM
I'd take a barrel cut by Randall or John.....for my 223 sniper......:chris:

tdo315
11-20-2007, 4:57 PM
I take it no one here has read "Black Light" by Stephen Hunter...

ocabj
11-20-2007, 5:07 PM
When did it become acceptable to use 'sniper' as a noun to refer to a firearm?

PistolPete75
11-20-2007, 5:11 PM
give the newb a break. i'm sure he just forgot to use the word rifle at the very end.

randy
11-20-2007, 5:14 PM
Sniper and 223 shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

If you are looking for a "sniper" then 308. If you are trying to look cool then do like chicks do and get anything in "black".

IH8CALAWS
11-20-2007, 5:14 PM
.223 sniper? why?
go for something .308 or bigger.
.223 is boring to shoot anyways, just doesnt have the power.

JWNathan
11-20-2007, 5:16 PM
I really like my lil' Weatherby, also I belive it was around $460 at Sportsmans so it wasnt to pricey.

http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns.asp?prd=Rifles&prd_sub_type=3&prod_code=VBR308NR2O#

4 Brigada
11-20-2007, 5:25 PM
Sniper and 223 shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
:rofl2:

What else would you shoot snipes with? I guess thats for another post:no:

rksimple
11-20-2007, 5:27 PM
Only time a 223 should be used as a "sniper" round is when over-penetration is an extreme concern. I doubt this is a concern of yours.

For a precision 223, a decent AR with match grade barrel and good trigger will work wonders. I've seen stock DPMS HB rifles shoot some sick groups. If you want a bolt gun, a remmy or savage will work well. Both have 1 in 9 barrels so heavy bullets are not a problem.

alpha_romeo_XV
11-20-2007, 5:33 PM
I put a lot of rounds through a CZ527 Varmit Kevlar - free floated 24" barrel with 1/9" twist, excellent 2 stage trigger, detachable magazine. Though not a heavy contor barrel, it held 1 moa to 500 yrds with 69g HPBT match loads. Light enough to field carry all day.

Prc329
11-20-2007, 5:39 PM
I built and regrettably had to sell a Savage 10FP in 223. The barrel was cut to 20" and threaded and crowned by Randall. it also wears a badger break and b & c medalist stock. I shot .5 with 69g bullets. the new owner reported a .272" 5 shot group. I think that is a very high quality precision rifle in 223.

ar15barrels
11-20-2007, 7:55 PM
I'd take a barrel cut by Randall or John.....for my 223 sniper......:chris:

:D

If I only had more time to actually be making custom barrels.
Damn service work just never quits these days. ;)

mr2.0
11-20-2007, 8:54 PM
I would say depending what size of your target and the distance you're shooting, hell I would use .223 as a sniper round if I had to and crawl closer.

Gunner1
11-20-2007, 9:05 PM
I am the the new owner of Prc329's Custom Savage. .272 was my best group ever of anything I have ever owned or shot. That was with 69gr Black Hills Match ammo. The worst was with steel case wolf right at 1.77 inch. The only thing I did to the gun was take it apart, clean it and clip a half turn off of the accutrigger spring. I mounted a Millett TRS-1 4-16x50 and have shot over 250 rounds. I have six custom Savage rifles built on short and long action accutrigger actions.Four have factory barrels. All are .5 MOA or better shooters, For ranges past 300 yards you really need to go to .308
The .272 @ 100 yard Savage .223 will not keep that standard past 200 yards. My best group at 300 is about four inches. I just think it is the nature of the .223 round at that range.
While I would not use a .223 for a "Tactical Rifle" in real life, Shooting Necco wafers at 100 yards, oranges at 250 they are great. I think Nates rifle will end up being my most used rifle as most of my shooting is under 400 yards at .223 is easy to load and economical.
PRC329 if you ever want to shoot it again you are welcome to come up north for some good shooting with no crowds to deal with. BTW who made that bolt handle, I like it better than the Sharp Shooter Supply Handles I have on my other guns.

Gunner

savasyn
11-20-2007, 9:12 PM
I take it no one here has read "Black Light" by Stephen Hunter...

.30 Carbine, right? From a tree, no less(IIRC).

Prc329
11-20-2007, 9:13 PM
I got it from Brownell's. I am not sure of the maker though.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=21635&title=SAVAGE%7e+TACTICAL+BOLT+HANDLE

As has been stated, 223 is good for "short". I shot Gunner's rifle to 500 yards and was able to keep the steel plate without much issue but I would hesitate to shoot groups with it at that distance. Mainly cause I am just not that good. 308 on the other hand is a whole different ball game. As a starter precision rifle I would go with a 308. Something like this

*shameless showboating :) *

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/naytwan/Guns/DSC01214.jpg

Gunner1
11-20-2007, 9:24 PM
Man Prc329 everytime I see your gun I get all emotional and start balancing my check book to see how much money I have left. I am building a similar gun and it is all your fault. :gunsmilie: Thanks for the info on the bolt handle, I am going to put one on my new 10FCPXP.
For "Tactical Competition" you really need to buy a .308, maybe not as fancy as your AICS build but a nice Savage in a Good stock is a good place to start.
BTW is your new barrel a Palma Heavy profile?


Gunner

ar15barrels
11-20-2007, 10:34 PM
I am the the new owner of Prc329's Custom Savage.

Nayt's guns sure seem to get around...
Just tonight I had a guy over that had Nayt's old DMR upper.
BTW, that YHM handguard on the DMR was not tightened down nearly tight enough. ;)
I only know this because I had the upper apart tonight to remove the handguard.
The new owner is stepping up to a Badger handguard on the DMR and the YHM is going to his 9mm upper.

Stormfeather
11-20-2007, 11:22 PM
Sniper and 223 shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

If you are looking for a "sniper" then 308. If you are trying to look cool then do like chicks do and get anything in "black".

The DC Sniper John Malvo used a .223 at distances of 300+/- meters to take down targets as well. 10 out of his 13 targets were fatal hits. It doesnt matter caliber, unless you are talking extreme distance. I still do center mass shots with open sights on my A2 at 500 yards.
Bigger isnt always better, size isnt everything, and sometimes its not the guns fault people miss the target.

Prc329
11-21-2007, 12:20 AM
Gunner. The new barrel will be an AMU. it is .9 at the muzzle. I basically decided to duplicate "Savanah" Timberwolf's rifle but with an IOR instead of a Nikon. He built one hell of winning rifle.

Randall, I discovered I liked building the ARs better then shooting them and Gunner got lucky because my dog got sick. If she wasn't like a daughter to me that rifle would be in my safe still with me giggling each time I hit that 500 yard plate with a 69 grin bullet with no recoil.

randy
11-21-2007, 3:52 AM
Yeah right I see a lot of the military using 223 for a sniper setup. If you are talking Police sniper then a 223 might be ok for those long 70 yard shots. It's a bit weak for shooting through glass. I've seen 223 blown by the wind over 10 inches at 300 yards and that was with 75 grain bullets. The 308's just plowed straight through. Yes they were blown off a bit but they hit the 10" plate.

Bigger isn't always better no doubt. That's one of the reasons the military uses 308 more than 300 Win Mag for sniper duty.

metalhead357
11-21-2007, 2:37 PM
Sniper and 223 shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

Notwithstanding what Stormfeather said....I MUCH agree with Randy... .223 and Sniper in the same sentence just doen't do it. But then again....say anything close to .308 being a better round all around (I believe it is) and you get the AR wrath from hell from the AR dedicated followers and the HP shooters.

300 yards...Sniping? HA!...that's .22lr practice....know the drop and cross winds and you can still launch soda cans into the breeze. Personally I wouldn't consider a gun that cant go past 600 even remotely close to a "sniper" anything....but beyond HITTING the target...you still need to do DAMAGE to the target; so everything from sectional density and so forth does not favor really anything in the 20 caliber range......maybe a 25-06...maybe a 270; but they aint .223;)

Think Bigger IS better..........

DJDace
11-21-2007, 3:43 PM
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Sorry, it had to be done! :)

But seriously? Precision firearm in .223?

Les Baer AR
JP CTR-02 24" Varmint "Viper" Edition
Remington 700P in .223
Savage 10FP in .233

The top 2 if you have alot of disposable income. Bottom 2 of out of the box accurate bolt guns.

metalhead357
11-21-2007, 3:55 PM
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Ummmm, Just what are you trying to say? You are one who hunts Snipe?:p

tdo315
11-21-2007, 9:00 PM
.30 Carbine, right? From a tree, no less(IIRC).

That was one kill, later on he uses a .223. I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't read it though....