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CCWFacts
11-14-2007, 8:09 AM
No small number of gun rights political dissidents, including BWO, have been put through the ringer for expressing dissent on-line.

Back-story: It was in the press about a year ago that Yahoo complied with a request from the Peoples Democratic Republic of China for information about the identity of an on-line poster, his email accounts, and copies of private emails. Yahoo complied. Shi Tao was sentenced to 10 years in prison for political offenses. Shi Tao's family sued Yahoo. Not only did they sue, but it got in the press and Congress gave Yahoo's CEO Yang a stern talk about that. It's not right for an American to turn in fellow freedom-loving patriots, wherever they may be in the world.

Yahoo can't spring the guy from Chinese prison, but they can give the family a big settlement (they're doing this) and they can create a legal defense fund to protect people who are busted for on-line dissent. They are doing that, too: Yahoo legal defense fund (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2007/tc20071113_712283.htm?chan=technology_technology+i ndex+page_top+stories).

The specifics haven't been announced, but it is obvious that gun owners in California are political dissenters, and are harassed not for any legal or public safety reason, but just because of dissent (belief in freedom), and are targeted based on their on-line posts. We need to keep our eyes on this legal defense fund. I know that for BWO, the legal bills are painful. If we knew that we had huge legal and non-painful legal resources ready to back us up, it would change a lot.

It is sad that this guy is going to spend a decade in a Chinese prison just because he wants to be able to run for offices, vote, and express himself. But maybe some larger good will come out of this situation, and will help people from China to California.

pnkssbtz
11-14-2007, 9:34 AM
What they should do, is have morals and at LEAST ethics, and not give the Chinese government the info.

OR at least devise a method by which they cannot divulge said info. (Maybe allowing truly anonymous mail accounts etc?)

artherd
11-14-2007, 11:03 PM
One of the reasons I'm so glad an anonymous pro-2a calgunner is hosting this particuliar site!

CCWFacts
11-14-2007, 11:42 PM
What they should do, is have morals and at LEAST ethics, and not give the Chinese government the info.

OR at least devise a method by which they cannot divulge said info. (Maybe allowing truly anonymous mail accounts etc?)

Basically, the laws in China and all the countries like that say, it is a crime to speak out against the government, and it is a crime to not turn in anyone who does the same. There is no way they can operate (have offices in) China without complying with China's "turn in the patriots" laws. Real patriots would say, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I helped them, so I'll choose not to do business here, and let some other inferior type of person do it.

It's one thing for Yahoo (etc) to censor their content for certain markets. It's another thing entirely to send someone to a Chinese political prison for exercising his rights.

nothing4u
03-25-2008, 9:58 AM
But we have laws that say, it's a crime to speak against the President or member of Congress too.

FortCourageArmory
03-25-2008, 11:30 AM
But we have laws that say, it's a crime to speak against the President or member of Congress too.

No, those would be laws against threatening a President of member of Congress. There's a vast difference. You can call the President or anyone in Congress a flatulating butthead hooked on crack cocaine and into kiddie porn. But you can't say you are going to do violence or imply doing violence or condone doing violence to them. That's the difference.

nothing4u
03-26-2008, 5:07 PM
I ment to say if your a member of the military. But then you would be cover by the UCMJ, which holds it's members to a different standard.

yellowfin
03-27-2008, 10:31 AM
No, those would be laws against threatening a President of member of Congress. There's a vast difference. You can call the President or anyone in Congress a flatulating butthead hooked on crack cocaine and into kiddie porn. But you can't say you are going to do violence or imply doing violence or condone doing violence to them. That's the difference. With a major purpose of the 2nd Amendment being to overthrow tyranny I don't see how such protection of them is consistent with the ideals of the founding of our country. Right now about the most that can happen to anyone in a seat of power is MAYBE getting voted out years later if anyone remembers anything they did, and that's only after they've passed whatever they want to anyway and it's already in the books as law, and they can pretty much take whatever money they want from the citizenry with very little to stop or even question them. Many here at least have the idea that tyranny and oppression are wrong and that at one time we had the option to do something about it, but what now? What I see is that people will give lip service to the idea of, for example, killing poisonous snakes, but then when a rattlesnake does in fact crawl in front of them do nothing but maybe say "Aaaah! A snake!" Yes, and...?

simonov
03-27-2008, 10:50 AM
What they should do, is have morals and at LEAST ethics, and not give the Chinese government the info.

You mean break the law?

Reminder: American laws usually stop outside America's borders, where the laws of other countries take over.

jdberger
04-20-2008, 10:42 AM
You mean break the law?

Reminder: American laws usually stop outside America's borders, where the laws of other countries take over.

That's a pretty interesting take for you, Simonov -

Or are you just being argumentative?

stormy_clothing
03-25-2009, 12:09 PM
yahoo gave the info because they wish to do business in china, I dont think it's right either, however. It's better for chinese people to have some yahoo access than none I'd imagine.

I say congress should rename it american food when you buy wontons and noodles, fucem

N6ATF
03-25-2009, 12:27 PM
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