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MuNgEr
11-13-2007, 7:50 PM
In 08 Iím taking some rifle classes at Gunsite that require further reach than my current rilfes can accurately offer (out to 1000 yards). So I am building up a Fulton FAR.308 lower, and am having Accuracy Systems build the upper.

They offer many caliber options and while Iím leaning towards a .260, which would you guys choose for say out to 1000 yards? They offer the following caliber conversions;

270 WSM, 260 REM, 284 Win, 6.5 WSM, 7mm WSM, 300 WSM, 308 WIN Match

Any ideas would be most appreciated!

Many thanks:)

NRAhighpowershooter
11-13-2007, 7:59 PM
1K yds?? 300WinMag McMillian stock bedded.. Kreiger heavy barrel

hylander
11-13-2007, 8:14 PM
308 WIN Match

Fjold
11-13-2007, 8:14 PM
1K yds?? 300WinMag McMillian stock bedded.. Kreiger heavy barrel

300Win Mag in an AR10? McMillin makes AR10 stocks?



The 260 is doing very well at 1,000 yards and is easier on the shoulder than the 308.

30 06 sniper
11-13-2007, 8:16 PM
get the 308 and if you want to shoot the 260 just change the barrel or the upper

ar15barrels
11-13-2007, 8:18 PM
6.5-284 should be no problem if they are already offering the 284.

rksimple
11-13-2007, 8:19 PM
If you are proficient with reloading, the 260 will hang with the 300WM to 1000. If you don't reload, the 308 wins hands down.

ar15barrels
11-13-2007, 8:20 PM
They offer the following caliber conversions:
270 WSM, 260 REM, 284 Win, 6.5 WSM, 7mm WSM, 300 WSM, 308 WIN Match

308 WIN Match

Given the options, 308 would certainly not be the first choice to shoot to 1000yds.
Of all the cartridges listed, it has the most drop at 1000yds...;)

4 Brigada
11-13-2007, 8:21 PM
1K yds?? 300WinMag McMillian stock bedded.. Kreiger heavy barrel


Is this rifle to punch paper or shoot heads? .308 ok for paper for heads .300 win mag or .338 lapua mag just in case you run into a real hard head

rksimple
11-13-2007, 8:28 PM
Of all the cartridges listed, it has the most drop at 1000yds...;)

But more than double the barrel life of any of them. With an AR platform, however, this becomes less of an issue. The 6.5 WSM could really sling 'em fast...

ocabj
11-13-2007, 8:30 PM
What's the maximum magazine length on the AR10?

I also take it that the AR10 handles single loading of long action cartridges just fine?

I ask because I have no experience with the AR10.

But if it can handle .284, then as Randall said, go with 6.5x284. It is *THE* cartridge for long range right now. For all long range shooters that aren't cartridge or caliber restricted, the 6.5x284 is the ticket.

The 6.5x284 is a throat burner, but assuming the rebarreling is just like with an AR15, then it's very operator friendly since you can order a chambered barrel with a matched headspaced bolt and install it yourself.

IH8CALAWS
11-13-2007, 8:32 PM
I'd probalby go with the .300 win mag.

MuNgEr
11-13-2007, 8:36 PM
Given the options, 308 would certainly not be the first choice to shoot to 1000yds.
Of all the cartridges listed, it has the most drop at 1000yds...;)

So of the listed which would you choose and what length barrel (they offer a bunch). I will definately contact them about the 6.5x284.
However, I wont be hand loading anytime soon so were talking just factory ammo. I do like that the .260 does have some 140g from Federal and is reasonably priced.

I would just get the complete FAR in .308 but the barrel is only 22", and that seems too short for this purpose.....no?

Oh and its all paper punching, no hunting.......maybe zombies.

Thanks for all the great input everyone....

ar15barrels
11-13-2007, 8:52 PM
I wont be hand loading anytime soon so were talking just factory ammo.

If you want some honest advice...
You would be better served to take the money you were planning to spend on the rifle and invest in some top quality reloading equipment and LOTS of components.
Then the choice of cartridge will NOT be dependent on your ability to purchase target grade ammo that would be useful trying to shoot at 1000yds.

1000 yds is NOT a good place to be restricted to factory ammo.

If you absolutely won't reload, then I would probably go with the 308 for it's ammo options.
I have not looked into all the other choices to see what ammo is available for them, but any of them with good target load would out-perform the 308 as far as shooting flatter and bucking the wind better.

rksimple
11-13-2007, 8:52 PM
In factory offerings, 308 hands down.

ar15barrels
11-13-2007, 8:54 PM
I do like that the .260 does have some 140g from Federal and is reasonably priced.

This is something else you will have to get over.
Don't choose the cartridge by the price of the ammo.
Choose it by the performance of the bullet.

Shooting accurately at long ranges is NOT going to be cheap.
If you want a cheap hobby, I can recommend knitting.

Reloading WILL make it less expensive (per shot), but it will never be "cheap".

tiger222
11-13-2007, 8:56 PM
i think the new hot ticket is the 6x47mm lapua.... easy recoil, low BC, long(er) bbl life etc.... fits in the 308 mag quite well I hear :)

rksimple
11-13-2007, 9:00 PM
i think the new hot ticket is the 6x47mm lapua.... easy recoil, low BC, long(er) bbl life etc.... fits in the 308 mag quite well I hear :)

I think you mean high BC and short barrel life. There are no free lunches...lots of powder behind a small bullet will eat up barrels.

ar15barrels
11-13-2007, 9:01 PM
i think the new hot ticket is the 6x47mm lapua.... easy recoil, low BC, long(er) bbl life etc.... fits in the 308 mag quite well I hear :)

Perhaps you can post a link to the "reasonably priced" factory ammo...;)

4 Brigada
11-13-2007, 9:04 PM
i think the new hot ticket is the 6x47mm lapua

kicks b**t in the 300 m category, most euro champions are using it

http://www.lapua.com/uploads/media/Productbrochure65x47Lapua_01.pdf

rksimple
11-13-2007, 9:05 PM
The only factory ammo that would even be a consideration in the 260 would be from Black Hills. GA Precision had a special run done a while back. Its not a normal production caliber from them, and it can only be had from GAP.

Prc329
11-13-2007, 9:08 PM
Do you absolutely need a gas gun?

Timberwolf
11-13-2007, 9:14 PM
Of the calibers you've listed go with the 308 Win Match. Feed it FGMM 175s (not 168s repeat not 168s) and rock & roll.

ar15barrels
11-13-2007, 9:30 PM
Wow that went south fast.

Unfortunatly, I dont have unlimited funds to dedicate to this facet of the shooting sports. So I need to factor in the costs of the rifle, its ammunition and the costs of the classes. Not to mention the rarity that I will be able to practice on targets at that range in the LA area.

But thanks, looks like .308 or .260 for me.

I would recommend a good bolt gun in 6.5-284 AND a reloading setup.

If you work the numbers, you will save enough money over the course of 1000 rounds to more than pay for the reloading equipment AND be shooting a superior cartridge to boot.

GOOD 308 (federal 175gr GMM) is going to run you about $1.50 a round.
You can certainly load 6.5-284 for around $0.60 a round using Lapua Scenars or Sierra Matchkings of your choice.
That's $0.90 cents a round savings.
Multiply that over 1000 rounds fired in order to become proficient and you save $900 by reloading and shooting the better cartridge.

Now figure that you could get good reloading setup for $600 or so and it's easy to see the path to enlightenment in long-range shooting. :)

rksimple
11-13-2007, 9:38 PM
I would recommend a good bolt gun in 6.5-284 AND a reloading setup.

If you work the numbers, you will save enough money over the course of 1000 rounds to more than pay for the reloading equipment AND be shooting a superior cartridge to boot.




Wrong. After 1000-1200 rounds of potent reloads, he'll be replacing a barrel. Thats $300 for the barrel plus smithing fees. Not all of us do the work ourselves...;)

It takes more than 1K rounds to become proficient at 1K yard shooting. A 308, with its superior barrel life and factory match ammo offerings, is the clear choice for the beginner.