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Steyr_223
11-12-2007, 8:34 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7028328.stm


EU may 'fast track' gun control
By Chris Summers
BBC News

A British MEP is hoping to "fast track" a new EU deal on gun control and says last week's school massacre in Finland should act as a wake up call.

Last week, the BBC reported that police in Britain, faced with a flood of easily convertible replica guns, want changes to European laws.

Labour MEP Arlene McCarthy, who chairs a key committee, said a new deal could be in place by the end of the year.

The new directive would make it harder to buy guns across the EU.

Echoes of Dunblane

Eight people, including five teenage boys, the headmistress, a female nurse and a single mother, died when 18-year-old Pekka-Eric Auvinen ran amok with a gun in the school in the small town of Jokela last Wednesday.

The menace of converted guns

Ms McCarthy, who represents the North West Region, said: "In the wake of the Dunblane tragedy the UK toughened its gun law and we banned all handguns.

"The shooting in Finland is yet another tragedy that shows the carnage and destruction which weapons in the wrong hand can wreak.

"It is a tragedy that an unstable vulnerable young man was able to have access to a handgun.

'Wake up call'

"In Finland any adult may own a gun provided it is registered with a shooting club and 1.8 million guns are owned in a population of 5.3 million people. The incident is a wake up call."

While the EU cannot intervene in a sovereign countries' own gun laws, Ms McCarthy's committee on the internal market is hoping to push through a new directive - replacing Directive 477 which was passed in 1991 - which would set a series of basic standards which all EU member states would have to abide by.

She told the BBC: "We are still negotiating but we are down to the nitty gritty and I hope to get it signed off soon. I am trying to get it fast tracked by the end of the year."

The directive would include background checks would have to be carried out before people can purchase guns, new measures would be brought in to ensure guns are registered and can be traced back to their owners; new controls on convertible weapons and control of internet trade in firearms.

"I am pleased that member states are supporting my amendments to include 'convertible weapons' in the review of EU law.

Deadly imports

She has been working closely with Greater Manchester Police, who highlighted the problem to her after busting two separate gangs who were importing imitation guns from Lithuania and Germany.

One gang converted them before bringing them into the country while the other imported them and then paid a corrupt engineer to carry out the conversion work in Manchester.

The police eventually caught the gang - who were jailed for up to 19 years in November last year - but many of the guns remain in circulation.

One of the guns fell into the hands of 17-year-old Kasha Peniston who tragically killed his sister Kamilah, 12, while playing around with it at their home in Gorton, Greater Manchester.

Ms McCarthy said: "My objective is to cut the supply of these guns, banned in the UK and smuggled in from Lithuania and Germany and currently being used to kill young people on our streets."

dfletcher
11-12-2007, 9:07 PM
Another PITA legislator named Ms. McCarthy. I wonder if they're related and if so, probably the result of some WWII wall job .....

DedEye
11-12-2007, 9:25 PM
Was the Finland massacre committed with a "convertible replica?" No.

Why is this supposed to help then?

RRangel
11-12-2007, 9:31 PM
Guns are already banned in the UK. Not much they can do, but suffer the consequences as the criminals have not and will not relinquish theirs.

CCWFacts
11-12-2007, 9:35 PM
Guns are not banned in Europe. Most of Europe has laws which are, by certain measures, more favorable than California laws. Gun ownership rates in many parts of Europe exceed gun ownership rates in many parts of California.

The difference is that gun owners are not out in public about it. This is bad. They need to change that.

Shotgun Man
11-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Guns are not banned in Europe. Most of Europe has laws which are, by certain measures, more favorable than California laws. Gun ownership rates in many parts of Europe exceed gun ownership rates in many parts of California.

The difference is that gun owners are not out in public about it. This is bad. They need to change that.

The article quoted someone saying that handguns are banned in UK. That's sounds more restrictive than California.

In Finland, the articles suggests, one registers guns to a local gun club. That's a novel idea. Sounds better than registering them with the government.

AJAX22
11-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Does anyone have a link to the number of civilian gun owners as a percentage of the population for the various nations? I think I can use this in a debate I have on thursday in international political economy class.

metalhead357
11-13-2007, 1:20 AM
The article quoted someone saying that handguns are banned in UK. That's sounds more restrictive than California.
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No, he said (above you) the rest of Europe. And IIRC the UK does have a defacto ban...but there ARE some that still own guns: From what I remeber its crazy....nothing larger than a .38, Gun must be kept at the range/club under THIER lock & key, ammo restrictions in the way of Total rounds owned......

And they still wonder why thier crime rate went UP:cool: Friggin' morons.


And Oh, God Save the Queen.;)