View Full Version : kel-tec vs. saiga

11-09-2007, 1:46 PM
i am looking for some input on these two rifles. I have seen the saiga available in a .223 round and i am trying to make up my mind. Also where is best place in so-cal to pick up a saiga? I have been doing some searching and have been coming across people saying you can pick up a saiga for around 250-300 while i have only seen one in a store and it was for 550. Is the saiga typically a gun that most people buy online and have shipped to an FFL? I would rather just go straight to the source if possible. But for 550 i wonder if i should try to catch a kel-tec, on sale. My last purchase was an M1-A so i am trying to spend considerably less on this purchase. any information would be appreciated.

11-09-2007, 2:22 PM
check out www.ddsranch.com (http://www.ddsranch.com) they have the .223 saiga for less than $300.00

11-09-2007, 2:34 PM
I would go for the Saiga. I had a Kel-Tec SU16CA and it was accurate but unreliable. It seemed to always have problems feeding the first round from a mag. I have a Saiga 7.62 that has not failed me once since I bought it. I have put through over 500 rounds without cleaning, and there hasn't been a hiccup. The Saiga .223 models are also a lot more accurate than the 7.62 model. I am thinking about picking up the .223 and .308 models myself.
As far as where to get it, I went through LanWorldInc. I believe the .223 is $280 or so there.

11-09-2007, 2:54 PM
I bought my .223 saiga at Lan World. I think it was about $260-270. It's still at the FFL though. I think I can pick it up on Monday.

11-09-2007, 3:55 PM
Where at Socal are you located? There will be a gun show this weekend at Ventura and last time there was a dealer selling Saigas for $250-300.

11-09-2007, 4:23 PM
im in the inland empire, but i have checked out the dds ranch website and that looks like what i am going to go with. in the .308 version thanks for the help.

11-09-2007, 4:30 PM
dumb question..it was about the mini 14. I answered my own question.

11-09-2007, 5:12 PM
I have an SU-16 and like it but recommend the Saiga.
The Kel-Tec is twice the money and they claim it is only good for about 5000 rounds.
The Saiga?
You probably won't live long enough to shoot it apart.

11-09-2007, 6:50 PM
I've heard some conflicting reports about reliability on the 223 Saiga's - short stroking and such. I would recommend a Saiga in 7.62x39mm or 308, over the SU-16. That having been said, for a little more than either one you could start getting into entry-level AR's, which are above both (for 223!) in my book.

11-09-2007, 7:01 PM
Out of those two I'd personally get the Saiga. I had a Keltec (A Model) and while it was accurate it just seemed too flimsy. Part of this is subjective though. I collect C&R arms and tend to like solid rifles.

I would say that the Kel-Tec has the edge on accuracy (Kel-Tecs actually seem pretty accurate).

I was going to say that Saigas have the reliability edge...but I just saw the post above. I'd be interested in hearing a little more about any Saiga .223 issues.

Saigas have a chrome-lined barrel and are going to be less likely to suffer a failure which renders the gun inoperative.

Saigas are also Russian AKs and there's just something cool about that.

If you get a Kel-tec I wouldn't consider anything other than the CA model. The barrel is a bit thicker and the sights better.

Of course, you could always get a Garand:) and a Ruger 10/22 for plinking on the cheap.

11-10-2007, 6:53 AM
i would say saiga.... esp since i have never seen an pic of a AK blown up to pieces (yet) do a search on the keltec on this board